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Fantasy Repercussions of Ocho in New England? (1 Viewer)

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I had Welker as high as top 10 WR in PPR leagues. I dont think Ocho will negatively effect Welker enough to bump him out of the top 15 in PPR, but what is Ochocinco's potential with Brady throwing him the ball?

Branch is nowhere near as good as Ochocino, in 2010 Branch played 12 games with the patriots and put up:

48 Rec, 706 yd and 5 touchdowns.

My guestimate:

82 receptions, 1,145 yds, 9 TD.

 
Ocho will do great, but the TEs are still going to keep Wes from reaching 100 Recs... my Guess Wes is stillgood for 85 / 900

 
Man, I think it's going to be an even bigger season than some of these early predictions. Brady can spread it around, but Chad's the best receiver on the team now. 90/1250/10 is easily within range.

I think this really hurts Branch, which is too bad--liked him as a value pick this season. The Pats were extremely successful in 2 TE sets last season, which probably means Ocho, Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez out there an awful lot. Branch'll still get his shot on three wide sets, but those packages are practically designed to get Welker the ball 8-12 yards out in the middle of the field, so who knows. Brandon Tate is obviously worthless. I think this also dings both tight ends a little bit--they were very productive last year, but without many receiving threats that almost seemed out of necessity. Hernandez takes the bigger dip, I think, because Ocho can do what he does a lot better than Ocho can do what Gronkowski does (i.e. be gigantic, run to a spot, sit there, and outmuscle coverage).

 
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(sorry related tangent) I don't get the Welker love this year at all. He's got developing wr's behind him, two great TE's, and backs that can catch from the backfield. Wes had his best years with a great Randy Moss stretching the field and he had tons of room to run and was the only other fiddle. Moss is long gone and now there are other good developing options besides him that will get a number of receptions. He had 1 100 yard week last year and I don't expect him to improve, he's peaked but the guys behind him that played well last year didn't.

They are also game planning it seems way more in terms of completely changing the plan of attack toward each opponent. Bill will try to find that weak spot and just exploit it so the players seem to be feast or famine and one player may get the offense run through him one week...next week it'll be Gronk. Me personally I look for guys that will consistently score each week.

I think he'll be ok in ppr but he's one of those guys I'll avoid going in and he'll only end up on my team if he's fallen really far at which point I have to take him. I have the same but lower feelings about Ocho. He's done IMO, completely invisible last year...that being said this is probably the best possible location for him but I don't think he has the gas left in the tank. He's another guy that would have to drop to the late late rounds for me to add him.

The Pat passing game as a whole I'm pretty much avoiding, as I do with the Saints most years.

 
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what does this do to cinci?

AJ Green should grow up fast... besides caldwell and gresham who esle is there to throw the ball to?

is simpson reliable? shipley? does TO get resigned?

 
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what does this do to cinci? AJ Green should grow up fast... besides caldwell and gresham who esle is there to throw the ball to? is simpson reliable? shipley? does TO get resigned?
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Green could be huge...they have no choice. I have a feeling he's going to be one of my prime targets this year (like M. Williams and Dez were last year). Take a shot at a guy like him as your #2 and then take a safer wr soon after.
 
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It's going to suck having to cut Tate once FF roster limits get here.
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I just put him and Price out on the curb. :bye:
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Funny, just a couple of weeks ago I lamented not having Price over Tate in dynasty. Tate just can't seem to get up to speed on the route tree. And that's a non starter in NE or probably anywhere. Now we're looking at a 33 yr old 85 joining the dance. So it didn't matter which guy you invested in.But even with the landscape the way it is something else has been bothering me for a couple yrs now, and I feel like we shoulda figured it out by now. The way BB game plans for every opponent a different guy steps up every week to get the stats. We all know this. It brings down their overall fantasy value as a result. We all factor that in as well. But with the obscure stat variances that several guys here hunt down over the off season you would think someone would key in on the Pats and try to figure which way they were going that week. Sure you're gonna be wrong a portion of the time, but if you were right 60% of the time that would be huge.Just a running tab on which teams are weak against TE's vs the long pass etc. There is a history to work with. I could see BB after he retires saying " it was so obvious what we were doing, cant believe nobody picked up on it"And before you say alright why dont you do it? I gotta tell you that I'm the worst guy for this task. I dont even bother to balance my check book. My wife does that. But I know there are several guys on here who would relish this challenge. People much smarter than me. If you're one of those guys could you look into the crystal ball for us? I promise that all forecasting will be "for entertainment purposes only" and any success rate beyond 51% will be considered Nostradamus-like.Any takers?
 
The Patriot offense won't be focused around Chad Johnson. Tom Brady is excellent at spreading the ball around, I just don't see him at 90 and 1200 yards.

He'll do well to get 75 and 1000 IMO, but still a good signing for the Pats.

 
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