Fantasy stats that surprised you. (1 Viewer)

[BIRDGANG52]

Fantasy stats that surprised you.


I was talking to a friend earlier about the TE position and a few different things surprised me.



1.) George Kittle lead all TEs in receiving yards with 1,020 yards and he only played 16 games. He had more yards than players who played all 17 games.

Yet he's only being drafted at TE6 despite being Mr. Consistency every year. He's been on a few of my championship teams, but I guess he's so consistent it makes him boring.


2.) Evan Engram caught 114 passes last season. Yes, that number is correct. He also played 17 games.

A TE who caught 114 passes is only going as TE8. I still can't wrap my head around that one. It's more catches than Larry Fitzgerald had in any season of his career. Granted, he had an extra game but it's technically true.

A few seasons with 100 catches at the TE position used to get you into the Hall of Fame.



BONUS FACT


Keenan Allen caught 108 / 1,243 in 13 games last season. That's more catches and yards than guys getting drafted ahead of him who played in 16/17 games.

He was on pace for 141 / 1,625 had he played 17 games. He would have had more catches than CeeDee Lamb and more yards than everybody but CeeDee Lamb and Tyreek Hill.


He's being drafted as WR30. Apparently people think there are 29 other wide receivers who could average a pace for 141 / 1,625. Is Caleb Williams as good as Justin Herbert? I mean, I never heard anyone call Justin Herbert generational.



Any other fantasy stats that surprised you guys?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1.) George Kittle lead all TEs in receiving yards with 1,020 yards and he only played 16 games. He had more yards than players who played all 17 games.

Yet he's only being drafted at TE6 despite being Mr. Consistency every year. He's been on a few of my championship teams, but I guess he's so consistent it makes him boring.

He also played through injury for a good chunk of the year, so he’s definitely undervalued this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Keenan Allen caught 108 / 1,243 in 13 games last season. That's more catches and yards than guys getting drafted ahead of him who played in 16/17 games.

He also reportedly came into camp ~20 lbs overweight & is in a receiving corps with a couple talented younger dudes + TEs.

I’m way off Allen this year.

 

[Anarchy99]

Keenan Allen caught 108 / 1,243 in 13 games last season. That's more catches and yards than guys getting drafted ahead of him who played in 16/17 games.

He was on pace for 141 / 1,625 had he played 17 games. He would have had more catches than CeeDee Lamb and more yards than everybody but CeeDee Lamb and Tyreek Hill.


He's being drafted as WR30. Apparently people think there are 29 other wide receivers who could average a pace for 141 / 1,625. Is Caleb Williams as good as Justin Herbert? I mean, I never heard anyone call Justin Herbert generational.

Herbert has passed for 5,000 yards in a season. Through 3 seasons, Herbert had 1,132 more passing yards than any QB though his first 3 seasons played. Through 4 seasons, he still has the most passing yards (even missing time last year) . . . 808 yards more than Peyton Manning.

No QB in the history of the Chicago Bears has passed for more than 3,838 in a season. Even missing 4 games, Allen had double the targets anyone else on the Chargers had (and had very little competition for targets). Do we really think he will get 11.5 targets a game in CHI . . . a team that already has a target monster, just drafted a WR in the Top 10, and has a capable TE? Add a rookie QB into the mix, and there are plenty of reasons Allen is considered WR30 this year. He's 32 and missed 11 games the past two seasons.

 

[travdogg]

I'm not sure any of these stats tell us anything about what to expect in 2024 is the issue. For example:

Brock Purdy had the highest YPA since "greatest show on turf era" Kurt Warner. I expect Purdy to be among the leaders in that category year in and year out, but its highly likely he loses at least a full yard per attempt. Kittle was at 15.7 YPC (BY FAR the highest at TE) and Aiyuk was at 17.9 YPC (2nd among 1000-yard WRs) but they only had 90 and 105 targets respectively. They both have a tight needle to thread to be as good as last season, without a massive target spike. They are good enough to do it, but its gonna be a bumpy ride without someone going down, and the work consolidating a bit.

Evan Engram turned 143 targets (a number he'll never come near again) into only 963 yards and 4 TDs. He also had 60 of his 114 catches in the 6 games Kirk missed. He had 54 in the 11 games Kirk played. Basically, he took Kirk's role and added it to his own, and the Jags had nothing else besides him and Ridley. They are a lot deeper now. I think TE8 is too high for Engram.

ETA: A stat that surprised me: Only the Miami Dolphins had a higher yards per carry as a team than the Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's 32 and missed 11 games the past two seasons.

And he came in out of shape.

Reportedly 20 lbs overweight (I’ll correct my earlier post)

Keenan Allen's reported weight gain after Chargers trade has Bears fans worried

Keenan Allen has put on weight after being traded from the LA Chargers to the Chicago Bears.

boltbeat.com

 

[Jppaul]

Njoku is my target for surprising stats this coming season.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Patrick Mahomes had zero rushing TDs last year.

 

[Scoresman]

Drake London has scored 6 TDs on 13.0 expected TDs over the past two seasons. No WR has a bigger gap between actual and expected TDs during that span.

Dalton Kincaid averaged 7.4 targets on a 19.8% share in five games without Dawson Knox vs. 4.9 targets on a 14.9% share in 11 games with Knox.

Jake Ferguson’s seven expected receiving TDs tied Travis Kelce for most among TEs. He tied for third at the position with 24 red-zone targets and tied for second with nine end-zone targets.

Jordan Love’s ranks over the final eight games of 2023:

• first in passing yards
• second in passing TDs
• third in completion rate
• 10th in yards per attempt
• first in PFF passing grade
• first in fantasy points

After ranking top-7 among RBs in PFF rushing grade in each of his first two NFL seasons, Jonathan Taylor ranked 34th among 42 qualifiers in 2022 and 29th out of 49 last year.

Zamir White beat Josh Jacobs last year in:

• yards per carry
• yards after contact per attempt
• missed tackles forced per attempt
• RYOE per attempt
• PFF elusive rating
• PFF rushing grade

I feel that's more of an anti-Jacobs stat than it is is a pro-Zamir stat.

 

[Lansdowne]

Chuba Hubbard had 277 touches last season, the 11th highest total in the NFL.

 

[Anarchy99]

Last year was the first time since the league merger in 1970 that there was not a Top 10 fantasy QB that was at least 31 years old.

In PPR leagues, last year was the first time there was a RB 31 or older to rank in the Top 10 (Mostert - 5) since 2015 (DeAngelo Williams - 6) and in the Top 5 since 2004 (Curtis Martin - 5).

It was also the first time a WR 31 or older ranked in the Top 10 (Allen - 8, Adams - 10) since 2019 (Edelman - 7) and the first time there were 2 WR that were 31 or older in the Top 10 since 2012 (Andre Johnson - 6, Wes Welker - 7, Reggie Wayne - 8).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chuba Hubbard had 277 touches last season, the 11th highest total in the NFL.

Shhhhh! People still sleepin on him!

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Not FF related, but I figured I'd throw this one out for those who haven't heard it...

Jim Harbaugh has more career NFL rushing yards than Bo Jackson.

 

[Anarchy99]

QB Paul Governali set the NFL record for fewest rushing yards in a season, amassing -186 rushing yards on 33 attempts in 1946. QB Sid Luckman holds the career record at -239 yards.

 

[TheWinz]

Josh Jacobs is about to set an NFL record. If he can catch 5 more passes without scoring a TD, he will surpass Gerald Riggs for most lifetime catches without a TD. He's currently sitting on 197, and Riggs had 201. He's also going to surpass Riggs with the most receiving yards without a TD, in 69 yards.

Hall of Famer Sid Luckman holds the record for least rushing yards in a career... with negative 239 yards on 204 carries.

 

[TheWinz]

Jinx! You owe me a coke!

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

QB Paul Governali set the NFL record for fewest rushing yards in a season, amassing -186 rushing yards on 33 attempts in 1946. QB Sid Luckman holds the career record at -239 yards.

Did they count sack yardage as rushing yards back then, like they do in college?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

QB Paul Governali set the NFL record for fewest rushing yards in a season, amassing -186 rushing yards on 33 attempts in 1946. QB Sid Luckman holds the career record at -239 yards.

Also... I could easily break that record if given the chance.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Drake London has scored 6 TDs on 13.0 expected TDs over the past two seasons. No WR has a bigger gap between actual and expected TDs during that span.

Not sure how you expect any touchdowns with Ridder as your QB but I will have to trust you on this one.

 

[travdogg]

Drake London has scored 6 TDs on 13.0 expected TDs over the past two seasons. No WR has a bigger gap between actual and expected TDs during that span.

Dalton Kincaid averaged 7.4 targets on a 19.8% share in five games without Dawson Knox vs. 4.9 targets on a 14.9% share in 11 games with Knox.

Jake Ferguson’s seven expected receiving TDs tied Travis Kelce for most among TEs. He tied for third at the position with 24 red-zone targets and tied for second with nine end-zone targets.

Jordan Love’s ranks over the final eight games of 2023:

• first in passing yards
• second in passing TDs
• third in completion rate
• 10th in yards per attempt
• first in PFF passing grade
• first in fantasy points

After ranking top-7 among RBs in PFF rushing grade in each of his first two NFL seasons, Jonathan Taylor ranked 34th among 42 qualifiers in 2022 and 29th out of 49 last year.

Zamir White beat Josh Jacobs last year in:

• yards per carry
• yards after contact per attempt
• missed tackles forced per attempt
• RYOE per attempt
• PFF elusive rating
• PFF rushing grade

I feel that's more of an anti-Jacobs stat than it is is a pro-Zamir stat.

Ferguson immediately catching 3 TDs against GB in the playoffs very much suggests that his "low" TD total was fluky.

I don't know if that isn't a pro-Zamir stat. White was in pretty good company in all of those stats.

Chuba Hubbard had 277 touches last season, the 11th highest total in the NFL.

Shhhhh! People still sleepin on him!

That might be a Jonathan Brooks post.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That might be a Jonathan Brooks post.

Nah - I’m low on Brooks. I think 2024 is Chuba-time.

Next year maybe things change.

 

[travdogg]

That might be a Jonathan Brooks post.

Nah - I’m low on Brooks. I think 2024 is Chuba-time.

Next year maybe things change.

Could be. I think its a lot like a lower stakes version of what Hall-Cook was last year. Once Brooks is fully good to go, I think he runs away with the job. That could very well not be until Halloween though.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Could be. I think its a lot like a lower stakes version of what Hall-Cook was last year. Once Brooks is fully good to go, I think he runs away with the job. That could very well not be until Halloween though.

Agree they’ll ease him back in, but I don’t see CAR competing. So I don’t really see them rushing Brooks back.

I’m also not entirely sold that Brooks is a better RB, but that’s another discussion for another topic.

We’ll see.

 

[FarFromHome]

Chuba Hubbard had 277 touches last season, the 11th highest total in the NFL.

Wow. No kidding.

 

[FarFromHome]

Josh Jacobs is about to set an NFL record. If he can catch 5 more passes without scoring a TD, he will surpass Gerald Riggs for most lifetime catches without a TD. He's currently sitting on 197, and Riggs had 201. He's also going to surpass Riggs with the most receiving yards without a TD, in 69 yards.

Hall of Famer Sid Luckman holds the record for least rushing yards in a career... with negative 239 yards on 204 carries.

Packers 2nd offensive snap will be a 43 yard TD pass to Jacobs.

 

[zamboni]

1.) George Kittle lead all TEs in receiving yards with 1,020 yards and he only played 16 games. He had more yards than players who played all 17 games.

Yet he's only being drafted at TE6 despite being Mr. Consistency every year. He's been on a few of my championship teams, but I guess he's so consistent it makes him boring.

He’s actually not that consistent. Last year he did have a big yardage year, but largely driven by a few spike weeks - one of which Aiyuk didn’t play. His 2021 and 2022 years were decent but not spectacular and he missed half of 2020. He was a monster way back in 2018 and 2019, but also helped by the fact that there were few passing options around him. He’s obviously a great overall TE but fantasy wise, it will probably require Deebo or Aiyuk out of the lineup to really pay off. probably going to need

 

[Anarchy99]

Chuba Hubbard had 277 touches last season, the 11th highest total in the NFL.

Shhhhh! People still sleepin on him!

There were 56 RBs with 100 touches last year. Hubbard ranked 48th in points per touch at 0.52. He had a lot of opportunities, he just didn’t do much with them.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He had a lot of opportunities, he just didn’t do much with them.

Put up flex-worthy numbers most weeks in my lineup.

 

[Ray_T]

1.) George Kittle lead all TEs in receiving yards with 1,020 yards and he only played 16 games. He had more yards than players who played all 17 games.

Yet he's only being drafted at TE6 despite being Mr. Consistency every year. He's been on a few of my championship teams, but I guess he's so consistent it makes him boring.

He’s actually not that consistent. Last year he did have a big yardage year, but largely driven by a few spike weeks - one of which Aiyuk didn’t play. His 2021 and 2022 years were decent but not spectacular and he missed half of 2020. He was a monster way back in 2018 and 2019, but also helped by the fact that there were few passing options around him. He’s obviously a great overall TE but fantasy wise, it will probably require Deebo or Aiyuk out of the lineup to really pay off. probably going to need

so if Aiyuk goes to Pittsburgh, you buy Kittle all day long

 

[Pip's Invitation]

QB Paul Governali set the NFL record for fewest rushing yards in a season, amassing -186 rushing yards on 33 attempts in 1946. QB Sid Luckman holds the career record at -239 yards.

Did they count sack yardage as rushing yards back then, like they do in college?

Yes. Until 1982.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

so if Aiyuk goes to Pittsburgh, you buy Kittle all day long

I’m buying Kittle regardless. He played hurt a lot last year. I expect more and more consistency from him no matter where Aiyuk plays.

 

[Ray_T]

so if Aiyuk goes to Pittsburgh, you buy Kittle all day long

I’m buying Kittle regardless. He played hurt a lot last year. I expect more and more consistency from him no matter where Aiyuk plays.

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

While posting in the Puka Nacua thread, I came across this gem. Only 15 Wide Receivers aged 31 years old in NFL History have ever gone for over 1,200 yards.

1	Jerry Rice	1,714
2	Andre Johnson	1,598
3	Brandon Marshall	1,502
4	Travis Kelce	1,501
5	Stanley Morgan	1,491
6	Tim Brown	1,408
7	Muhsin Muhammad	1,405
8	Wes Welker	1,354
9	Rod Smith	1,343
10	Donald Driver	1,295
11	Marvin Harrison	1,272
12	Jordy Nelson	1,257
13	Keenan Allen	1,243
14	Irving Fryar	1,218
15	Jimmy Smith	1,213

Maybe I should double-check my list of Age 31 receivers going into this season.

Who Has The Most Receiving Yards At Age 31 | StatMuse

Jerry Rice has the most career receiving yards by a 31-year-old player, with 1,714 yards.

www.statmuse.com

 

[Rubi]

I have to go back to Mike Vrabel:

For his career:

16 targets
12 receptions
17 total yards
12 touchdowns

His stats always surprise me

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

While posting in the Puka Nacua thread, I came across this gym. Only 15 Wide Receivers aged 31 years old in NFL History have ever gone for over 1,200 yards.

1	Jerry Rice

Jerry Rice career stats prior to age 31: 10,622 yds, 108 TDs

Jerry Rice career stats age 31+: 12,918 yds, 99 TDs

According to pro-football-reference the "average" Hall of Fame receiver has about 11k yards and 86 TDs. So Jerry Rice basically had a Hall of Fame career by age 30, and then another one after that.

 

[BlackCrowes]

QB Paul Governali set the NFL record for fewest rushing yards in a season, amassing -186 rushing yards on 33 attempts in 1946. QB Sid Luckman holds the career record at -239 yards.

Did they count sack yardage as rushing yards back then, like they do in college?

Yes. Until 1982.

oh. i thought Luckman just got confused a lot.

 

[FarFromHome]

Always thought it was cool that in Larry Fitzgeralds 17 year career he had more career tackles then career dropped passes.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

While posting in the Puka Nacua thread, I came across this gem. Only 15 Wide Receivers aged 31 years old in NFL History have ever gone for over 1,200 yards.

1	Jerry Rice	1,714
2	Andre Johnson	1,598
3	Brandon Marshall	1,502
4	Travis Kelce	1,501
5	Stanley Morgan	1,491
6	Tim Brown	1,408
7	Muhsin Muhammad	1,405
8	Wes Welker	1,354
9	Rod Smith	1,343
10	Donald Driver	1,295
11	Marvin Harrison	1,272
12	Jordy Nelson	1,257
13	Keenan Allen	1,243
14	Irving Fryar	1,218
15	Jimmy Smith	1,213

Maybe I should double-check my list of Age 31 receivers going into this season.

Who Has The Most Receiving Yards At Age 31 | StatMuse

Jerry Rice has the most career receiving yards by a 31-year-old player, with 1,714 yards.

www.statmuse.com

Great list and just to add, Rice hit that number multiple times after 31, at least 4 by my count
I didn't look up the other names
It is a fascinating stat

 

[Ilov80s]

The Saints were 9th in offensive TDs last year. Who was scoring them????

 

[VikingFrog]

The Saints were 9th in offensive TDs last year. Who was scoring them????

Taysom Hill!!!

 

[menobrown]

1.) George Kittle lead all TEs in receiving yards with 1,020 yards and he only played 16 games. He had more yards than players who played all 17 games.

Yet he's only being drafted at TE6 despite being Mr. Consistency every year. He's been on a few of my championship teams, but I guess he's so consistent it makes him boring.

On week to week basis the was the model of INCONSISTENCY. He's someone who I view, and for sure he was last year, a walking example of a player who is way more valuable in best ball then when you got to set a lineup. I checked on this a few weeks ago and in TEP format I play he finished top 5 in 7 of the 15 fantasy week he played, top 3 in I believe 4 of those 15 weeks, top two in three times. Got a big boost when Deebo was out, but had a lot of bad weeks mixed in.

2.) Evan Engram caught 114 passes last season. Yes, that number is correct. He also played 17 games.

A TE who caught 114 passes is only going as TE8. I still can't wrap my head around that one. It's more catches than Larry Fitzgerald had in any season of his career. Granted, he had an extra game but it's technically true.

A few seasons with 100 catches at the TE position used to get you into the Hall of Fame.

Got massive boost when Kirk went out but Doug Pederson has now oversaw the two larget TE target/reception seasons in NFL history.

Apparently people think there are 29 other wide receivers who could average a pace for 141 / 1,625.

Only healthy good WR that Herbert had for most of the season on team that trailed often and was ultra aggressive. Was ok, I don't agree with people who say he was having his best season ever, just was compiler more then ever. I'm not sure there are 29 other WR's who would have 141 catches on 196 targets, but what's an actual catch worth? Honest question with respect to real value, not fantasy. But I for sure think there are more then 29 WR's that would surpass 1,625 yards if they were getting 196 targets from Herbert.

On that note I'll lead in to the stat that shocks me and I mentioned this in another thread when it looked like Aiyuk might be a Steeler.

Pickens 1,140 yards on just 106 targets is incredible but then Aiyuk rolls in and posted 1,324 on one less target. Absolutley amazing and to put that in some context Pickens had 4 less yards then Davante Adams on 69 less targets and Aiyuk had 180 more on 70 less targets. Pickens had 43 less yards then Diggs on 54 less targets and Aiyuk had 141 more on 71 less targets.

This is part of why all things close to equal I don't bet on old, why I'm not betting on Keenan this year.

 

[BassNBrew]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

Yeah, seems like Kincaid took a little leap up recently.

 

[menobrown]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

Yeah, seems like Kincaid took a little leap up recently.

Biggest risk/reward of the top 5 TE’s IMO.

 

[BassNBrew]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

Yeah, seems like Kincaid took a little leap up recently.

People make a case that he'll exceed LaPorta and I can't find fault int he argument.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

Yeah, seems like Kincaid took a little leap up recently.

People make a case that he'll exceed LaPorta and I can't find fault int he argument.

Coleman struggling to separate, Samuel with turf toe.

I’d bump Knox a little as well - in TE-P formats he could be a cheap sleeper.

 

[FarFromHome]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

Yeah, seems like Kincaid took a little leap up recently.

People make a case that he'll exceed LaPorta and I can't find fault int he argument.

Coleman struggling to separate, Samuel with turf toe.

I’d bump Knox a little as well - in TE-P formats he could be a cheap sleeper.

One thing to keep in mind is that this time of year is like a Six Flag roller coaster with ups and downs. For every "Keon is struggling to separate" comment is a "Keon is gonna be huge in this offense" comment. Dudes a freak, but a rookie freak. Who knows which is gonna play out. Remember Ja'Marr Chase rookie offseason with the drops? Not comparing them AT ALL. Just saying social media has a way of driving narrative and I believe beat writers maybe 50% of the time. Imo

 

[BassNBrew]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

Yeah, seems like Kincaid took a little leap up recently.

People make a case that he'll exceed LaPorta and I can't find fault int he argument.

Coleman struggling to separate, Samuel with turf toe.

I’d bump Knox a little as well - in TE-P formats he could be a cheap sleeper.

One thing to keep in mind is that this time of year is like a Six Flag roller coaster with ups and downs. For every "Keon is struggling to separate" comment is a "Keon is gonna be huge in this offense" comment. Dudes a freak, but a rookie freak. Who knows which is gonna play out. Remember Ja'Marr Chase rookie offseason with the drops? Not comparing them AT ALL. Just saying social media has a way of driving narrative and I believe beat writers maybe 50% of the time. Imo

Come on....JaVonte was cut weeks ago for Estime.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

interestingly enough people in the pools I've been in have been avoiding kittle. usually a 1000 yard TE goes plenty early (top 3) but I am not seeing that so far this year

there seems to be a Kincaid, Kittle, Pitts tier. Similar ADP, too.

I’m in on all 3 at their current ADP.

I'm consistently seeing this tiering

Kelce, Laporta
McBride, Andrews, Kincaid, Engram
Kittle, Pitts
Furguson (6 consecutive drafts this guy when 9th)
Njoku, Bowers

Yeah, seems like Kincaid took a little leap up recently.

People make a case that he'll exceed LaPorta and I can't find fault int he argument.

Coleman struggling to separate, Samuel with turf toe.

I’d bump Knox a little as well - in TE-P formats he could be a cheap sleeper.

One thing to keep in mind is that this time of year is like a Six Flag roller coaster with ups and downs. For every "Keon is struggling to separate" comment is a "Keon is gonna be huge in this offense" comment. Dudes a freak, but a rookie freak. Who knows which is gonna play out. Remember Ja'Marr Chase rookie offseason with the drops? Not comparing them AT ALL. Just saying social media has a way of driving narrative and I believe beat writers maybe 50% of the time. Imo

Come on....JaVonte was cut weeks ago for Estime.

Be that as it may, Knox isn't going away, and while Kincaid is likely to be a monster, there are a ton of vacated targets.

Knox is a capable receiver, and Allen is comfortable with him. Thus far, Coleman has not been a freak in camp - he's been struggling. No, that doesn't absolutely mean he's going to carry that into the season, but it's also not nothing.

The Chase thing was ridiculous and a wild overreaction to rumors about practice. Coleman has been eliminated from games by future insurance salesmen in the preseason. It's a concern.

But I'm not saying Knox is a sleeper just because of that - I liked him before news of Samuel's toe or Coleman's news. I wasn't particularly high on Coleman coming out of the draft either.