Fargas to be released (1 Viewer)

[eefflrat]

DMC or Bush?

Fargas had a lot of touches the last couple of seasons, now split that between Bush and DMC and you can have some decent production.

Is this release an Al Davis move to get his prized draft pick DMC the ball? Wasn't fargas Cable's favorite?

Thoughts?

 

[saintfool]

bush.

 

[zamboni]

It depends on whether Bush is traded, as has been speculated. The team could always draft Bush's replacement, if that in the case.

Absent a trade, it probably benefits both, as it seems like Cable doesn't fully trust Bush. Bush for TD-heavy leagues, McFadden for PPR-heavy leagues.

 

[switz]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

 

[eefflrat]

bush.

i'm not so sure. I think if there is anything NFL gm's have learned about RB's with acquired with high draft picks is that if it might not be prudent to give up on them so quickly...Benson and Thomas Jones to mind immediately, and even Reggie Bush. These guys are high draft picks for a reason, I think it may be time for the raiders to see what they REALLY have in DMC. What can he do with a full offseason of #1 RB reps and getting majority of carries. We may see that this year

 

[Black]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

He's a good kid. Tough. Could see him with the Patriots.

 

[zamboni]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

He may end up in a better situation, but at this point, I think he's destined to be a backup somewhere. Through injury I guess he could get a shot.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I'll take Justin Fargas over Sammy Morris or Fred Taylor right now.

 

[Black]

Fargas' rap career also...

He has a solo rap CD, title "Young Hugg in Black and White" released around Christmas 2006.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

Shark move...I like it switz

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

He may end up in a better situation, but at this point, I think he's destined to be a backup somewhere. Through injury I guess he could get a shot.

He's also 30 years old. How many teams are going to give him a shot at starting? And if they do, how likely is it that he has value beyond 2010? I wouldn't pay much for Fargas unless he falls into the perfect situation.

 

[Da Guru]

Fargus is just too brittle. You have to figure on Fargus missing time every year.

 

[switz]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

He may end up in a better situation, but at this point, I think he's destined to be a backup somewhere. Through injury I guess he could get a shot.

He's also 30 years old. How many teams are going to give him a shot at starting? And if they do, how likely is it that he has value beyond 2010? I wouldn't pay much for Fargas unless he falls into the perfect situation.

Very little mileage on those tires, and look what Thomas Jones did the last couple seasons...

 

[Da Guru]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

He may end up in a better situation, but at this point, I think he's destined to be a backup somewhere. Through injury I guess he could get a shot.

He's also 30 years old. How many teams are going to give him a shot at starting? And if they do, how likely is it that he has value beyond 2010? I wouldn't pay much for Fargas unless he falls into the perfect situation.

Very little mileage on those tires, and look what Thomas Jones did the last couple seasons...

Little milegage but lots of accidents.

 

[Kirby]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

He may end up in a better situation, but at this point, I think he's destined to be a backup somewhere. Through injury I guess he could get a shot.

He's also 30 years old. How many teams are going to give him a shot at starting? And if they do, how likely is it that he has value beyond 2010? I wouldn't pay much for Fargas unless he falls into the perfect situation.

Very little mileage on those tires, and look what Thomas Jones did the last couple seasons...

Little milegage but lots of accidents.

 

[Warhogs]

It benefits Fargas the most just because he won't have to rot in that dreadful Raiders organization.

From a fantasy football perspective I suppose it benefits both DMC and Bush at this point about the same but if one guy can prove worthy of most of the touches that one guy should see a nice gain in touches.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Hoping either one of Bush/Mcfadden can have fantasy value

 

[massraider]

I think he might re-sign with them as well.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

(AP)

Adam Schefter, of ESPN, reports the Oakland Raiders have released RB Justin Fargas.

 

[Ilov80s]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

 

[az_prof]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

He may end up in a better situation, but at this point, I think he's destined to be a backup somewhere. Through injury I guess he could get a shot.

Fargas is 30 years and only managed to hold onto a starting job in Oakland one season. I doubt he goes somewhere as a starter.This helps both Bush and McFadden. I wonder if this means the team has given up on trying to trade Bush? Why would you release Fargas AND trade Bush?

 

[eefflrat]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

I don't know how you can say that? He was only one of the best college players ever, and has all the tools to be an elite pro. Has he had an opportunity to be the man? no. i don't know how two part time years can lead you to believe that a 22 year old RB of his pedigree is not good??? in fact releasing fargas is a clear sign that they are ready to give DMC a shot to earn his money.I'd like to see him for a full year in his position before i say he's not good, Cable has only used him as a part time player for two years, how can anyone prove their merit on 8 carries a game?

 

[az_prof]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

I don't know how you can say that? He was only one of the best college players ever, and has all the tools to be an elite pro. Has he had an opportunity to be the man? no. i don't know how two part time years can lead you to believe that a 22 year old RB of his pedigree is not good??? in fact releasing fargas is a clear sign that they are ready to give DMC a shot to earn his money.I'd like to see him for a full year in his position before i say he's not good, Cable has only used him as a part time player for two years, how can anyone prove their merit on 8 carries a game?

You must not watch many games in Oakland. I have. He has been given every chance to be the starter. Poor play and nagging injuries have stopped him. He hasn't been a part time player because they were holding him back. Now, he could do a Benson and turn it around, but you can't say he hasn't been given that job on a silver platter. Releasing Fargas is a money issue. He's too old (and also was ineffective) to be worth the roster bonus he was going to get.

 

[Chadstroma]

Fargus is just too brittle. You have to figure on Fargus missing time every year.

Fargas must be used in a committee to help keep him available. If he is asked to carry the load, he will get hurt... actually, he likely will still get hurt even if not asked to. However, he can contribute for a bit in between injuries.

 

[Garrett]

Bush.

 

[Rockchild]

Fargas to the Vikings as Chesters replacement maybe?

 

[Ilov80s]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

I don't know how you can say that? He was only one of the best college players ever, and has all the tools to be an elite pro. Has he had an opportunity to be the man? no. i don't know how two part time years can lead you to believe that a 22 year old RB of his pedigree is not good??? in fact releasing fargas is a clear sign that they are ready to give DMC a shot to earn his money.I'd like to see him for a full year in his position before i say he's not good, Cable has only used him as a part time player for two years, how can anyone prove their merit on 8 carries a game?

McFadden can run really fast. However, I do not see all these other tools you speak of.

 

[travdogg]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

I don't know how you can say that? He was only one of the best college players ever, and has all the tools to be an elite pro. Has he had an opportunity to be the man? no. i don't know how two part time years can lead you to believe that a 22 year old RB of his pedigree is not good??? in fact releasing fargas is a clear sign that they are ready to give DMC a shot to earn his money.I'd like to see him for a full year in his position before i say he's not good, Cable has only used him as a part time player for two years, how can anyone prove their merit on 8 carries a game?

McFadden can run really fast. However, I do not see all these other tools you speak of.

I would argue that McFadden is one of the 5 best pass catching RB's in the NFL, and he's only getting better at it. Unfortunately, he still goes down pretty easy and seems injury prone. Still, I think he could be a solid flex option next year, especially in PPR leagues. I think he's better than he's looked so far, but he's highly unlikely to become the player he was thought to be coming out of college.

 

[Ilov80s]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

I don't know how you can say that? He was only one of the best college players ever, and has all the tools to be an elite pro. Has he had an opportunity to be the man? no. i don't know how two part time years can lead you to believe that a 22 year old RB of his pedigree is not good??? in fact releasing fargas is a clear sign that they are ready to give DMC a shot to earn his money.I'd like to see him for a full year in his position before i say he's not good, Cable has only used him as a part time player for two years, how can anyone prove their merit on 8 carries a game?

McFadden can run really fast. However, I do not see all these other tools you speak of.

I would argue that McFadden is one of the 5 best pass catching RB's in the NFL, and he's only getting better at it. Unfortunately, he still goes down pretty easy and seems injury prone. Still, I think he could be a solid flex option next year, especially in PPR leagues. I think he's better than he's looked so far, but he's highly unlikely to become the player he was thought to be coming out of college.

I agree, he is a good pass catcher. However, he has injury problems, poor balance, an inability to break tackles, no shiftiness, a lack of patience, average vision and a fumbling problem.Just looked at some stats, McFadden actually has a horrendous catches per target ratio...58% (much worse than Fargas and Bush).

 

[B. Nugget]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

I don't know how you can say that? He was only one of the best college players ever, and has all the tools to be an elite pro. Has he had an opportunity to be the man? no. i don't know how two part time years can lead you to believe that a 22 year old RB of his pedigree is not good??? in fact releasing fargas is a clear sign that they are ready to give DMC a shot to earn his money.I'd like to see him for a full year in his position before i say he's not good, Cable has only used him as a part time player for two years, how can anyone prove their merit on 8 carries a game?

McFadden can run really fast. However, I do not see all these other tools you speak of.

I would argue that McFadden is one of the 5 best pass catching RB's in the NFL, and he's only getting better at it. Unfortunately, he still goes down pretty easy and seems injury prone. Still, I think he could be a solid flex option next year, especially in PPR leagues. I think he's better than he's looked so far, but he's highly unlikely to become the player he was thought to be coming out of college.

I agree, he is a good pass catcher. However, he has injury problems, poor balance, an inability to break tackles, no shiftiness, a lack of patience, average vision and a fumbling problem.Just looked at some stats, McFadden actually has a horrendous catches per target ratio...58% (much worse than Fargas and Bush).

Yeah, but what was Russell's completion ratio?

 

[D'OHtis]

Until his broken tackles outnumber his kids, I'll go with Bush.

 

[Ilov80s]

I can not argue against Oakland's QBs being terrible. RBs tend to have higher ratios as the majority of those passes are short (screens, dump-offs, checkdowns). Let us compare McFadden to Fargas and Bush.

Fargas catches per target ratio was 81% and Bush's was 89%.

I am actually quick scanning and of the top 80 RBs in the NFL (excluding players with a handful of targets), Brandon Jacobs was also at 58%. No other back in the league was below 66%. So essentially, you could make an argument that McFadden is one of the worst pass catching backs in the league.

 

[EBF]

And that would be a bad case. Most backs aren't split out wide and sent downfield. McFadden did that last season.

I think he's a terrible runner and a huge bust, but he actually has some talent in the receiving game.

 

[Ilov80s]

And that would be a bad case. Most backs aren't split out wide and sent downfield. McFadden did that last season.I think he's a terrible runner and a huge bust, but he actually has some talent in the receiving game.

Agreed. I actually think he is a pretty good pass catching back. I guess I was trying point out he isn't a top 5 pass catching back.

 

[massraider]

I think he's a terrible runner and a huge bust, but he actually has some talent in the receiving game.

Yeah, and if he can go in a straight line, he's fine. He is so high-cut, when he has to change directions, he looks like a deer on ice skates.

 

[az_prof]

Bush.

I think most of us who watch Oakland a lot feel this way. I know I do.

 

[faulkfan]

When are people going to understand McFadden is not good. He is not an NFL RB. He has straight line speed and little else.

I'm pretty sure he is still under contract with the Raiders, which would make him an NFL RB. He may not be a good BFL RB, but he is still an NFL RB. Obviously I am just giving you a hard time about your wording and I agree that he has flaws, but I would like to see him play a full season without some nagging injury to see if he has a shot at being a solid NFL RB.

 

[zamboni]

If you believe this report, it could be neither that benefit from Fargas' release:

Raiders | In the market for a running back Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:13:13 -0800Jerry McDonald, of The Oakland Tribune, reports the Oakland Raiders are in the market for a running back after releasing RB Justin Fargas. RB Darren McFadden has durability issues, and the Raiders seem reluctant to put too much on the shoulders of RB Michael Bush, so they will likely look to add another back through the NFL Draft or free-agent market.

If they don't believe in Bush that much, they ought to deal him. Other teams (e.g., SD from last year) could have a higher opinion of him than the Raiders do.

 

[Chadstroma]

I can not argue against Oakland's QBs being terrible. RBs tend to have higher ratios as the majority of those passes are short (screens, dump-offs, checkdowns). Let us compare McFadden to Fargas and Bush.Fargas catches per target ratio was 81% and Bush's was 89%. I am actually quick scanning and of the top 80 RBs in the NFL (excluding players with a handful of targets), Brandon Jacobs was also at 58%. No other back in the league was below 66%. So essentially, you could make an argument that McFadden is one of the worst pass catching backs in the league.

Having watched a lot of Raider games last season, I am trying to remember at least one instance of McFadden dropping a pass that he ought to have caught and I can not. I am not saying it did not happen but I just can not remember one. Now, I can think of many instances where throws were so bad that Jerry Rice would not have caught them. McFadden was asked to do a lot of routes well beyond screens, dump-offs and checkdowns and I think that that accounts for the difference in a big way.

 

[Mikey16x]

Fargas does get injured a lot but that's because he goes 110% on every play. I was never really a fan of his until I caught his game last season. He might get 2 yards but he's hitting you in the mouth.

 

[mlball77]

Fargas does get injured a lot but that's because he goes 110% on every play. I was never really a fan of his until I caught his game last season. He might get 2 yards but he's hitting you in the mouth.

He really does run impressively hard. I don't think he is the most talented RB, or even has very good vision, but I sort of enjoy watching him burst forward at full-steam. I almost think he'd be a good fit in PHI, backing up McCoy, and still yielding short yardage to Weaver in many cases. Just a thought that popped in my head.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Fargas does get injured a lot but that's because he goes 110% on every play. I was never really a fan of his until I caught his game last season. He might get 2 yards but he's hitting you in the mouth.

He's like a missile, takes the handoff and runs as hard as he can in a straight line. Sometimes he hits a hole, sometimes he bounces off a guy and keeps going, and other times he get stuffed after smacking into defenders. He's not really a great RB, but fun to watc.h

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Benefits Fargas the most... maybe he'll go to a team without such a logjam at RB...

That's the first thing I thought of but chances are he'll go to a team with ONE other RB to battle for PT, not TWO others like he did in Oakland.

 

[Dave Larkin]

If you believe this report, it could be neither that benefit from Fargas' release:

Raiders | In the market for a running back Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:13:13 -0800Jerry McDonald, of The Oakland Tribune, reports the Oakland Raiders are in the market for a running back after releasing RB Justin Fargas. RB Darren McFadden has durability issues, and the Raiders seem reluctant to put too much on the shoulders of RB Michael Bush, so they will likely look to add another back through the NFL Draft or free-agent market.

If they don't believe in Bush that much, they ought to deal him. Other teams (e.g., SD from last year) could have a higher opinion of him than the Raiders do.

The Raiders are actually a good rushing team when they get it going. They have a big, physical offensive line and if Gradkowski can perform anywhere near to what he did last year, they could be in business. McFadden is still an enigma to me. To me, Bush is the guy you want in that backfield.

 

[nicole320]

if were releasing warren we better find a replacement and thanks for everything fargas... And unlike most 30 year old backs fargas doesnt have that much wear and tear on his body he wasnt used to often