Farve Reinstated; expected to report Monday (1 Viewer)

[T Bell]

I am just wondering what the reasoning was for not allowing Favre on the field during the scrimage game, or in the locker room afterwards.

If he was truely welcome back to the team why not allow him at least in the locker room around the players after the game.

He was not a member of the Green Bay Packers at that point.Why should he be allowed on the field?

He claims to not want to be a distraction but shows up during family night and might have wanted to be on the field?

Really?

Not a member of the team, all that was left was putting him on the roster....if you were welcoming back into the Packer family then welcome him back. The scrimmage was as much for the fans if not more then the players. Even if you didn't want him on the field, to let him down in the locker room after the game to allow him to feel a part of this team would of sufficed. On another note....on ESPN news....Bill Micheals of WTMJ in Milwaukee is reporting that Favre is supposed to be headed back to Mississippi, that he is done, he wanted to play for the Packers and really has no interest in going to another team. No link just heard it on the ESPNEWS. Note Michaels is saying he is getting his info from a person close to the situation. Could be a rumor.

I can see this. It's just a vibe, but I don't feel like he has much interest in Tampa or NY or anywhere else really.J

Anywhere else, except Minnesota that is. Let's not let St. Brett off the hook too easily.

I don't think his heart is in playing for MIN or CHI either. That's my gut feel. I think Mooch knows him pretty well. And he seemed pretty adamant that Green Bay was where he wanted to be. Again, one of them could be lying.J

Well, what about all of these reports from Favre about him "just wanting to play football", whether it be in Green Bay or elsewhere, and the strong indications that if it couldn't be for the Packers, it would be for the Vikings? What about all those phone calls to the Vikings? I think the truth for Brett is "evolving" as he goes along.

I think Brett is telling the truth that he only wants to play for Green Bay. I think he is having a hard time trying to understand why TT and McCarthy don't want him back.

Why do you think he's telling the truth in the face of the reported information that I mentioned. And before anyone starts talking about how these were just reports, remember that Mariucci's is just such a report about his intentions too.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Another interesting point on NFL radio tonight.One of the hosts was talking about how proven McCarthy and Thompson were and that he couldn't understand why people weren't giving them the benefit of the doubt. That they knew football and they were convinced Rodgers was the guy. The guy saying this had played for Chicago.The other host laughed and said "you guys had smart people that were convinced Cade McNown was the guy."

I love when the pro-Favre people argue how Rodgers dropped to the 24th pick in the draft (therefore, he must suck)... Skip Bayless, for one, used this stupid arguement on 1st & 10 a few days ago. Have these people bothered to look and see where Brett was drafted?

Well, I think it's a valid point in terms of showing that Rodgers isn't some bulletproof QB. He isn't a Peyton Manning or John Elway or Carson Palmer. Keep in mind that he went 23 spots after Alex Smith and Smith has been very unimpressive. Also keep in mind that he was fighting with Smith for that #1 spot to SF and then ended up dropping way down to 24th. Finally keep in ind that he was coached by a guy that some folks think makes QBs look better in college than they will in pros. Add all that up and it's pretty convincing to me that although Rodgers could certainly turn out to be great, you really have to take TT and MM's word for it that he's worth all this. It's not like in SD where AJ Smith could say that Rivers was the 4th pick in the draft and everyone had him top 10 or so. So no, it doesn't mean he will suck and Brady, Bulger, et al prove that. But it means that the burden of proof is on the Packers much more than it would be if Rodgers had gone much higher in the first round.

 

[Jimmy James]

I think this is clearly a very emotional situation for Favre.

At this point, the only resolution that would shock me would be him playing for GB this year.

 

[packersfan]

does anyone think green bay is really willing to pay favre $12 million to be the backup? that point seems to have been lost in all of this. assuming favre says, yeah sure, i'll be the backup, do they really keep him on the roster?

I think it's starting to become clear that the answer to this is no. If he sticks around, I expect the rumor of him being limited to solo workouts and cut the day prior to the season starting may just come true.

i think that's right. if favre really wants to play football this year (and i don't necessarily mean for the packers, because he can't really control that), he should call their bluff, do what they tell him to do, smile for the camera, and wait to be released. if they don't release him, hey, it's $12 million, and he gets more "good guy" credit that will translate into more (non-football) opportunities down the road. and heck, he can do it again next year if he wants (although at that point, there's less likelihood of another team wanting to pick him up if/when he gets cut).

They quite simply cannot start the season with Favre on the roster. Every time Rodgers strings together two incomplete passes, the crowd, the players, or some analyst will bring up Favre. Having Favre on the roster is an invitation to squander this season.

That was going to happen anyway. Rodgers was going to face immense pressure because he was the guy replacing Brett Favre. That was going to be part of the deal.But I believe it will be considerably worse now. Before, all fans could do was lament that Rodgers wasn't Favre. But if Rodgers struggles now, fans will lament that not only isn't he Favre, but the Packers could have had Favre instead this season if they hadn't kicked him to the curb. This is the pressure Thompson and McCarthy have brought upon Rodgers. It wasn't going to be easy for him had Favre stayed retired but the pressure has grown about a millionfold now.

 

[T Bell]

does anyone think green bay is really willing to pay favre $12 million to be the backup? that point seems to have been lost in all of this. assuming favre says, yeah sure, i'll be the backup, do they really keep him on the roster?

I think it's starting to become clear that the answer to this is no. If he sticks around, I expect the rumor of him being limited to solo workouts and cut the day prior to the season starting may just come true.

i think that's right. if favre really wants to play football this year (and i don't necessarily mean for the packers, because he can't really control that), he should call their bluff, do what they tell him to do, smile for the camera, and wait to be released. if they don't release him, hey, it's $12 million, and he gets more "good guy" credit that will translate into more (non-football) opportunities down the road. and heck, he can do it again next year if he wants (although at that point, there's less likelihood of another team wanting to pick him up if/when he gets cut).

I don't think the money is the issue - I think it's the distraction to the team and to Rodgers from having him on the roster that the team is worried about. I can say this, it would be a great insurance policy, and it might even work to Favre's benefit if he comes off the bench in the event of a Rodgers injury to save the day/season for the Packers.

BTW, anyone who thinks this situation with Rodgers and Favre has no precedent need look no further than the heated Sonny Jurgenson-Billy Kilmer debate under George Allen and the Redskins in the early 1970's. 'Skins fans still debate that one.

 

[Jimmy James]

does anyone think green bay is really willing to pay favre $12 million to be the backup? that point seems to have been lost in all of this. assuming favre says, yeah sure, i'll be the backup, do they really keep him on the roster?

I think it's starting to become clear that the answer to this is no. If he sticks around, I expect the rumor of him being limited to solo workouts and cut the day prior to the season starting may just come true.

i think that's right. if favre really wants to play football this year (and i don't necessarily mean for the packers, because he can't really control that), he should call their bluff, do what they tell him to do, smile for the camera, and wait to be released. if they don't release him, hey, it's $12 million, and he gets more "good guy" credit that will translate into more (non-football) opportunities down the road. and heck, he can do it again next year if he wants (although at that point, there's less likelihood of another team wanting to pick him up if/when he gets cut).

They quite simply cannot start the season with Favre on the roster. Every time Rodgers strings together two incomplete passes, the crowd, the players, or some analyst will bring up Favre. Having Favre on the roster is an invitation to squander this season.

That was going to happen anyway. Rodgers was going to face immense pressure because he was the guy replacing Brett Favre. That was going to be part of the deal.But I believe it will be considerably worse now. Before, all fans could do was lament that Rodgers wasn't Favre. But if Rodgers struggles now, fans will lament that not only isn't he Favre, but the Packers could have had Favre instead this season if they hadn't kicked him to the curb. This is the pressure Thompson and McCarthy have brought upon Rodgers. It wasn't going to be easy for him had Favre stayed retired but the pressure has grown about a millionfold now.

If the pressure has already grown a millionfold, it grows even more if Favre is on the sidelines holding a clipboard as either the backup or the 3rd QB. Fans can mourn what TT has made happen if Favre isn't there, but they can actually call for him to be used if he is on the team.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I am just wondering what the reasoning was for not allowing Favre on the field during the scrimage game, or in the locker room afterwards.If he was truely welcome back to the team why not allow him at least in the locker room around the players after the game.

He was not a member of the Green Bay Packers at that point.Why should he be allowed on the field?He claims to not want to be a distraction but shows up during family night and might have wanted to be on the field?Really?

Not a member of the team, all that was left was putting him on the roster....if you were welcoming back into the Packer family then welcome him back. The scrimmage was as much for the fans if not more then the players. Even if you didn't want him on the field, to let him down in the locker room after the game to allow him to feel a part of this team would of sufficed. On another note....on ESPN news....Bill Micheals of WTMJ in Milwaukee is reporting that Favre is supposed to be headed back to Mississippi, that he is done, he wanted to play for the Packers and really has no interest in going to another team. No link just heard it on the ESPNEWS. Note Michaels is saying he is getting his info from a person close to the situation. Could be a rumor.

I can see this. It's just a vibe, but I don't feel like he has much interest in Tampa or NY or anywhere else really.J

Anywhere else, except Minnesota that is. Let's not let St. Brett off the hook too easily.

I don't think his heart is in playing for MIN or CHI either. That's my gut feel. I think Mooch knows him pretty well. And he seemed pretty adamant that Green Bay was where he wanted to be. Again, one of them could be lying.J

Well, what about all of these reports from Favre about him "just wanting to play football", whether it be in Green Bay or elsewhere, and the strong indications that if it couldn't be for the Packers, it would be for the Vikings? What about all those phone calls to the Vikings? I think the truth for Brett is "evolving" as he goes along.

I think Brett is telling the truth that he only wants to play for Green Bay. I think he is having a hard time trying to understand why TT and McCarthy don't want him back.

This is my feel as well.From Mariucci tonight, "Brett said 'Mooch, I know my best chance to go somewhere and play is in Green Bay. That's my best chance. It's a good team. It's a team that knows me and I know them. That's my best chance to go to a Super Bowl.' "Again, this could all be an elaborate lie between Favre and Maruicci.J

 

[sho nuff]

You are going on pure speculation...Im going on things that have actually for sure happened...like Favre's dislike of TT before this year.

Good point, I'm sure we can all remember those long Brett Favre press conferences where he bashed TT. Wait.....

No...but we can all remember him saying trade me.What are they going to do...cut me?And even in conferences this year...talking about TT and moves he did not make...which were before this year.Ring a bell?

 

[MSULions]

I have a very serious question for the Favre supporters in this.

Over and over again, I have heard guys say Favre should be allowed to at least compete for the starting job. Over and over again, I've said that just wasn't possible.

The reason I have said that is simple: Those who support Favre seem 100% convinced that Favre would win. This assumption is so strong that those same posters who call for the "open competition" have repeatedly called out TT, the Packers, and all other posters who've said "he might not be". IE: How is it "OPEN" if you've already decided Brett is better?

Personally, I think Rodgers might actually be better at this point in their respective careers, but Brett seems to have come into the whole thing the same way his supporters have....with the underlying assumption that Favre wins any competition and the very strong implication that any competition that resulted in any different result must have been fixed or flawed.

Even Joe Bryant seems to believe this, based on the tone of his posts.

I can't fault anybody for thinking Favre the better QB...but I can fault them for being so sure of themselves that they have been downright rude to those of an opposing opinion. (Anyone who has openly supported TT in this thread has been repeatedly attacked/mocked...even Tremblay has been called out.)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Favre camp, and many of his supporters have made it incredibly difficult to even talk rationally because of the underlying assumption that favre is still one of the greatest CURRENT QB's in the NFL, and that the job should be his just because he wants it. I have a real problem with that kind of arrogance, and I suspect that many coaches and GMs would also, even if the player were a little better then the young guy replacing him.

With this kind of attitude, why would TT or McCarthy want him on their team, no matter how good he is?

Thank you for putting it so plainly and rationally. A refreshing voice in here.

 

[packersfan]

does anyone think green bay is really willing to pay favre $12 million to be the backup? that point seems to have been lost in all of this. assuming favre says, yeah sure, i'll be the backup, do they really keep him on the roster?

I think it's starting to become clear that the answer to this is no. If he sticks around, I expect the rumor of him being limited to solo workouts and cut the day prior to the season starting may just come true.

i think that's right. if favre really wants to play football this year (and i don't necessarily mean for the packers, because he can't really control that), he should call their bluff, do what they tell him to do, smile for the camera, and wait to be released. if they don't release him, hey, it's $12 million, and he gets more "good guy" credit that will translate into more (non-football) opportunities down the road. and heck, he can do it again next year if he wants (although at that point, there's less likelihood of another team wanting to pick him up if/when he gets cut).

They quite simply cannot start the season with Favre on the roster. Every time Rodgers strings together two incomplete passes, the crowd, the players, or some analyst will bring up Favre. Having Favre on the roster is an invitation to squander this season.

That was going to happen anyway. Rodgers was going to face immense pressure because he was the guy replacing Brett Favre. That was going to be part of the deal.But I believe it will be considerably worse now. Before, all fans could do was lament that Rodgers wasn't Favre. But if Rodgers struggles now, fans will lament that not only isn't he Favre, but the Packers could have had Favre instead this season if they hadn't kicked him to the curb. This is the pressure Thompson and McCarthy have brought upon Rodgers. It wasn't going to be easy for him had Favre stayed retired but the pressure has grown about a millionfold now.

If the pressure has already grown a millionfold, it grows even more if Favre is on the sidelines holding a clipboard as either the backup or the 3rd QB. Fans can mourn what TT has made happen if Favre isn't there, but they can actually call for him to be used if he is on the team.

If Rodgers struggles, it would be nice for the Packers to have such an option. Unless people think Brian Brohm is going to be a world beater this season.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Another interesting point on NFL radio tonight.One of the hosts was talking about how proven McCarthy and Thompson were and that he couldn't understand why people weren't giving them the benefit of the doubt. That they knew football and they were convinced Rodgers was the guy. The guy saying this had played for Chicago.The other host laughed and said "you guys had smart people that were convinced Cade McNown was the guy."

I love when the pro-Favre people argue how Rodgers dropped to the 24th pick in the draft (therefore, he must suck)... Skip Bayless, for one, used this stupid arguement on 1st & 10 a few days ago. Have these people bothered to look and see where Brett was drafted?

What does this have to do with my post?

Nothing, I guess. I've been trying to crowbar it in all day.

Thanks, then.J

 

[packersfan]

You are going on pure speculation...Im going on things that have actually for sure happened...like Favre's dislike of TT before this year.

Good point, I'm sure we can all remember those long Brett Favre press conferences where he bashed TT. Wait.....

No...but we can all remember him saying trade me.What are they going to do...cut me?And even in conferences this year...talking about TT and moves he did not make...which were before this year.Ring a bell?

I also remember him asking Thompson to let him compete for the starting job. I saw him say today that he would be fine with competing and understands why Rodgers would be the starter at the present time. The bottom line is that in my opinion both sides have made incredibly ignorant mistakes in this matter. Favre has said some stupid things and I believe Thompson (and now McCarthy) have done some stupid things. Both sides took a situation that could have been easily solved and turned it into one of the biggest jokes in recent NFL memory.

 

[sho nuff]

Did you guys hear Mariucci on NFL Network after the press conference. Favre is telling his friend Mariucci a very different side of the story. Saying Favre wants to play and wants to play nowhere but Green Bay. Said he'd consider other places if he had to.But the underlying problem was that what the front office said to the press about wanting him back wasn't their true feelings. And that he didn't want to be a distraction if the front office didn't really want him there. Mooch was asked about McCarthy's talk of Favre not being committed and Mariucci said that was not a factor at all.Obviously, two different sides to the story. I'm sure Favre must be lying though... J

But again...this goes against Favre's own claims that McCarthy asked him about competing and that it was Favre who was saying while he would do it, he did not think it was the right thing to do.What side does Favre really want to present.Can you see why people are saying Favre is still waffling?Even in his own words he is not clear about what is going on.And isn't it convenient that he says those things to Mooch after McCarthy's press conference when opinion started to shift again negatively for Favre?

What would make you think opinion was shifting against Favre after the press conference? McCarthy spoke well of Favre and seemed sympathetic repeatedly saying Favre was in a "tough spot".J

Just judging the reaction on this board.Prior to much of this...there were so many more vocal people killing the Packers an on Favre's side.That seemed to switch a bunch today.I may have even predicted that once McCarthy spoke something would come out from Favre...and lo and behold...he does another interview with Mooch.I don't know who to believe anymore. I don't think either side can be trusted at this point.

Do you think this board is a representative sample of Packer fans?

Not statistically no.But it seems a decent representative of fans from all over.And it has basically followed the pattern of Packer fans opinions on this.When it first started...it was mostly anti Favre on this board...as his PR campaign got into gear, the opinion shifted to more anti Thompson...now it is shifting again and speaking to my mother tonight her mind is shifting a bit as are some others she talks to and heard on radio there (yes, she lives there).It was an observation.All in all, I think the opinion is shifting to this...Favre and Thompson are both screwing this up and neither can really be trusted to give us any real truth right now.

 

[3nOut]

does anyone think green bay is really willing to pay favre $12 million to be the backup? that point seems to have been lost in all of this. assuming favre says, yeah sure, i'll be the backup, do they really keep him on the roster?

They were offering to pay $25mil to not come back

Favre's ego won't let him be the backup. I think he's going to regret not taking the bribe.

 

[sho nuff]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

 

[Kleck]

Good posts renesauz.

 

[packersfan]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

I haven't read all of the pages since this afternoon but has anyone disputed the post from a few pages back which claimed a source said McCarthy told Favre there would be no competition and Favre would be the backup no matter what? If that report is accurate, I can certainly see why Favre would want out.

 

[sho nuff]

An interesting article from NBC Sports. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26040067/

From the article......

A league personnel man told me Monday night that the Packers are paying right now for the inexperience of their top-level guys and the fact that there isn’t an owner to step in and say, “Enough.

I heard this from another source on the radio as well. Saying this is a total lack of leadership starting from the top down and had Ron Wolf and Bob Harlan still been in charge, this circus would have never gotten off the ground.I agree a complete failure starting from the top on down.

Favre started this mess, tried to rectify it, and the FO starting with TT had no clue how to handle it....... And it shows.

Too many egos got in the way here starting with TT HUGE ego.

The only problem with that opinion is TT has plenty of experience...and from at least one report last week I think...Harlan agreed with how TT and Murphy and the Packers have handled this.I laughed at someone on another board mention this would not have gotten this far with Lombardi...that I agree with.

The moment Favre said anything about a trade or anything in the past 2-3 years Lombardi would have sent him packing to another team. (as he had done so with a few high profile guys).

 

[3nOut]

Question, and pardon my ignorance, but why is it a given that Rogers would walk after his contract if Favre were to come back for a year or two. He has to know that when Favre retires (and it cant be that far down the road) that he will most likely be given the starting nod with a system he is ultra familiar with.

Because there's no guarantee that they won't prefer Brohm over Rodgers, or that another team will not offer him more. If GB would take Favre back and give him backhis starting job, he'd have a legitimate argument in saying that 'GB never gave him a chance so why should he stay'.

 

[encaitar]

I am just wondering what the reasoning was for not allowing Favre on the field during the scrimage game, or in the locker room afterwards.

If he was truely welcome back to the team why not allow him at least in the locker room around the players after the game.

He was not a member of the Green Bay Packers at that point.Why should he be allowed on the field?

He claims to not want to be a distraction but shows up during family night and might have wanted to be on the field?

Really?

Not a member of the team, all that was left was putting him on the roster....if you were welcoming back into the Packer family then welcome him back. The scrimmage was as much for the fans if not more then the players. Even if you didn't want him on the field, to let him down in the locker room after the game to allow him to feel a part of this team would of sufficed. On another note....on ESPN news....Bill Micheals of WTMJ in Milwaukee is reporting that Favre is supposed to be headed back to Mississippi, that he is done, he wanted to play for the Packers and really has no interest in going to another team. No link just heard it on the ESPNEWS. Note Michaels is saying he is getting his info from a person close to the situation. Could be a rumor.

I can see this. It's just a vibe, but I don't feel like he has much interest in Tampa or NY or anywhere else really.J

Anywhere else, except Minnesota that is. Let's not let St. Brett off the hook too easily.

I don't think his heart is in playing for MIN or CHI either. That's my gut feel. I think Mooch knows him pretty well. And he seemed pretty adamant that Green Bay was where he wanted to be. Again, one of them could be lying.J

Well, what about all of these reports from Favre about him "just wanting to play football", whether it be in Green Bay or elsewhere, and the strong indications that if it couldn't be for the Packers, it would be for the Vikings? What about all those phone calls to the Vikings? I think the truth for Brett is "evolving" as he goes along.

I think Brett is telling the truth that he only wants to play for Green Bay. I think he is having a hard time trying to understand why TT and McCarthy don't want him back.

Why do you think he's telling the truth in the face of the reported information that I mentioned. And before anyone starts talking about how these were just reports, remember that Mariucci's is just such a report about his intentions too.

I think it's fairly obvious why he'd be telling the truth about wanting to play for GB. They were one drive away from a superbowl berth last year. Obviously that team is good enough to win NOW. With Favre as the QB, GB is one of the favorites to win the NFC going into the year. A 38 year old QB isn't gonna be excited to learn a new system and play for a team that isn't as good as the team he left. That's the same reason he wants to go to Minnesota. They run a very similar system(filtered down from Coach Walsh by way of Holmgren) so Favre wouldn't really need to learn a whole new approach to QBing. Plus there is one team in the entire NFL that you could honestly say is a good QB away from being a top super bowl contender. That team is Minnesota. For the same reasons that he would want to play for GB(the chance to win another SB), he would have for wanting to play in Minnesota.

However, the GB management doesn't want him as their starting QB and their only trade option for him is to send him to a lesser quality team. One that has an outside chance of making the super bowl with him, but is not in any way a favorite to do so. So yes, he is pissed. I would be too. He could have avoided all this by not retiring true, but when he got the itch to play GB should of welcomed him back open arms instead of trying to convince him to stay retired.

JMO

 

[sho nuff]

No, I tend to accept Mariucci at his word. The question is, is Favre to be believed when he tells Mooch this stuff?

The other question is: what are Favre's conditions for playing in Green Bay?

If you believe Mariucci / Favre, the conditions are nothing more than to have a shot to compete for the job and that the front office wants them back.J

Then Favre is either lying to Mooch or was lying with what he said happened in the talks with McCarthy when he spoke earlier today.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Favre camp, and many of his supporters have made it incredibly difficult to even talk rationally because of the underlying assumption that favre is still one of the greatest CURRENT QB's in the NFL, and that the job should be his just because he wants it. I have a real problem with that kind of arrogance, and I suspect that many coaches and GMs would also, even if the player were a little better then the young guy replacing him.

I guess I just don't see what you're seeing. I think many people believe that Favre is a much better QB than Rodgers. That's really the only question that matters.He is a 3 time MVP coming of a #2 MVP finish last season. I don't think it's a stretch to say he's a good NFL QB. We don't know if Rodgers is a good NFL QB yet.As far as the job being his just because he wants it, McCarthy has said repeatedly that Favre was fine with competing for the starting job. McCarthy even said that Favre believed Rodgers should be the starter right now. I guess I'm just not seeing the arrogance a head coach is supposedly feeling when the head coach is saying the QB was fine with competing for the job.J

 

[T Bell]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

Favre's behaving like a spoiled princess, and his defenders are out amplifying "her" laments rather than telling him to cut out the whole princess act to begin with. I'm reminded of the famous scene from The Godfather:

Johnny Fontane: Oh, Godfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.Don Corleone: [shouts] You can act like a man![he slaps Johnny]Don Corleone: What's the matter with you. Is this how you turned out? A Hollywood finocchio that cries like a woman.[Don Corleone imitates him sobbing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?"[cut to Tom who is laughing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?" What is that nonsense. Ridiculous.

 

[MSULions]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

I don't know...that's yet another curveball that seems to contradict everything before tonight - which was coming from the Favre Camp. Favre is the one that's been texting Mortenson every hour on the hour through all of this and expressing the demand to go to Minny....I just don't know what to believe at this point.

 

[sho nuff]

Are you a Green Bay fan? If so, you're sounding as foolish as many of your bretheren were saying Ted Thompson was for being "spiteful" towards Favre at the expense of the team.

I'm a Dolphins fan with no stake in this at all. I just don't buy the team's line here. If Favre is so bad he doesn't have a place on the team as its starter, they have no business caring where he goes. If they can get a pick out of the Vikings, bravo. If not, cut the man loose. If I were him, I'd absolutely eat a roster spot and cause as much trouble for the team as I possibly could. I don't care what he put the team through -- the team is crazy to be treating the closest thing they have to a legend as you'll find in the NFL the way they are.

AGAIN...and this has been said over and over.Who in this thread or in the Packers org is saying the guy is so bad? Simply put...they are not.they cannot just let him go to Minny...as he is an improvement over what they have. You don't just let your biggest division rival pick up a piece to the puzzle like that.And he is crazy for treating the organization that paid him so well and made him a star the way he is.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

Favre's behaving like a spoiled princess, and his defenders are out amplifying "her" laments rather than telling him to cut out the whole princess act to begin with. I'm reminded of the famous scene from The Godfather:

Johnny Fontane: Oh, Godfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.Don Corleone: [shouts] You can act like a man![he slaps Johnny]Don Corleone: What's the matter with you. Is this how you turned out? A Hollywood finocchio that cries like a woman.[Don Corleone imitates him sobbing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?"[cut to Tom who is laughing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?" What is that nonsense. Ridiculous.

J

 

[T Bell]

No, I tend to accept Mariucci at his word. The question is, is Favre to be believed when he tells Mooch this stuff?

The other question is: what are Favre's conditions for playing in Green Bay?

If you believe Mariucci / Favre, the conditions are nothing more than to have a shot to compete for the job and that the front office wants them back.J

Then Favre is either lying to Mooch or was lying with what he said happened in the talks with McCarthy when he spoke earlier today.

The other alternative - which I think is very plausible, the more I see of Favre - is that he doesn't know what he wants and he changes his mind hour to hour, and he's dumb enough to speak honestly about what he believes he wants at any given moment. I believe he now wants to play only for the Packers, and he told Mooch as much. I believe that last week he wanted to play for the Vikings and not the Bucs or the Jets, and probably not the Packers either, and was saying as much. Etc., etc. For a guy who takes months every offseason to decide whether he wants to play for the same team, this can't be a shocking explanation for what we're seeing.

 

[Kleck]

When it first started...it was mostly anti Favre on this board...as his PR campaign got into gear, the opinion shifted to more anti Thompson...now it is shifting again and speaking to my mother tonight her mind is shifting a bit as are some others she talks to and heard on radio there (yes, she lives there).

Isn't it nice being a fan and having the luxury to change one's mind at any given point with no ramifications?

 

[sho nuff]

does anyone think green bay is really willing to pay favre $12 million to be the backup? that point seems to have been lost in all of this. assuming favre says, yeah sure, i'll be the backup, do they really keep him on the roster?

I think it's starting to become clear that the answer to this is no. If he sticks around, I expect the rumor of him being limited to solo workouts and cut the day prior to the season starting may just come true.

i think that's right. if favre really wants to play football this year (and i don't necessarily mean for the packers, because he can't really control that), he should call their bluff, do what they tell him to do, smile for the camera, and wait to be released. if they don't release him, hey, it's $12 million, and he gets more "good guy" credit that will translate into more (non-football) opportunities down the road. and heck, he can do it again next year if he wants (although at that point, there's less likelihood of another team wanting to pick him up if/when he gets cut).

They quite simply cannot start the season with Favre on the roster. Every time Rodgers strings together two incomplete passes, the crowd, the players, or some analyst will bring up Favre. Having Favre on the roster is an invitation to squander this season.

Do you think at this point that the crowd or others will not bring up Favre anytime Rodgers does something bad on the field?Come on...don't be that naive.It is coming to matter what happens at this point.

 

[encaitar]

Are you a Green Bay fan? If so, you're sounding as foolish as many of your bretheren were saying Ted Thompson was for being "spiteful" towards Favre at the expense of the team.

I'm a Dolphins fan with no stake in this at all. I just don't buy the team's line here. If Favre is so bad he doesn't have a place on the team as its starter, they have no business caring where he goes. If they can get a pick out of the Vikings, bravo. If not, cut the man loose. If I were him, I'd absolutely eat a roster spot and cause as much trouble for the team as I possibly could. I don't care what he put the team through -- the team is crazy to be treating the closest thing they have to a legend as you'll find in the NFL the way they are.

AGAIN...and this has been said over and over.Who in this thread or in the Packers org is saying the guy is so bad? Simply put...they are not.

they cannot just let him go to Minny...as he is an improvement over what they have. You don't just let your biggest division rival pick up a piece to the puzzle like that.

And he is crazy for treating the organization that paid him so well and made him a star the way he is.

There is a legitimate argument that Favre is the one that brought the organization back to the limelight. I don't think many Packer fans want to relive the 80s.

 

[Joe Bryant]

No, I tend to accept Mariucci at his word. The question is, is Favre to be believed when he tells Mooch this stuff?

The other question is: what are Favre's conditions for playing in Green Bay?

If you believe Mariucci / Favre, the conditions are nothing more than to have a shot to compete for the job and that the front office wants them back.J

Then Favre is either lying to Mooch or was lying with what he said happened in the talks with McCarthy when he spoke earlier today.

The other alternative - which I think is very plausible, the more I see of Favre - is that he doesn't know what he wants and he changes his mind hour to hour, and he's dumb enough to speak honestly about what he believes he wants at any given moment. I believe he now wants to play only for the Packers, and he told Mooch as much. I believe that last week he wanted to play for the Vikings and not the Bucs or the Jets, and probably not the Packers either, and was saying as much. Etc., etc. For a guy who takes months every offseason to decide whether he wants to play for the same team, this can't be a shocking explanation for what we're seeing.

I disagree with the thought that he's dumb. But I do think it's possible he's struggled over the last few weeks with not knowing for sure what he wants to do. I can see that.J

 

[packersfan]

I do feel bad for Rodgers because Thompson and McCarthy have pretty much made it now that it may be impossible for him to succeed. As I said, he was going to be measured against Favre anyway but it's going to be even worse now because Favre wanted to return and the Packers tossed him aside like yesterday's garbage. Rodgers deserved a fair chance but he isn't likely to get one now. The guy was booed during a scrimmage for cryin out loud. It's only going to get worse for him from here on out and he'll have Thompson and McCarthy to blame for a lot of it.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

Favre's behaving like a spoiled princess, and his defenders are out amplifying "her" laments rather than telling him to cut out the whole princess act to begin with. I'm reminded of the famous scene from The Godfather:

Johnny Fontane: Oh, Godfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.Don Corleone: [shouts] You can act like a man![he slaps Johnny]Don Corleone: What's the matter with you. Is this how you turned out? A Hollywood finocchio that cries like a woman.[Don Corleone imitates him sobbing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?"[cut to Tom who is laughing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?" What is that nonsense. Ridiculous.

This is as bad as your Few Good Men was good.

 

[sho nuff]

You are going on pure speculation...Im going on things that have actually for sure happened...like Favre's dislike of TT before this year.

Good point, I'm sure we can all remember those long Brett Favre press conferences where he bashed TT. Wait.....

No...but we can all remember him saying trade me.What are they going to do...cut me?And even in conferences this year...talking about TT and moves he did not make...which were before this year.Ring a bell?

I also remember him asking Thompson to let him compete for the starting job. I saw him say today that he would be fine with competing and understands why Rodgers would be the starter at the present time. The bottom line is that in my opinion both sides have made incredibly ignorant mistakes in this matter. Favre has said some stupid things and I believe Thompson (and now McCarthy) have done some stupid things. Both sides took a situation that could have been easily solved and turned it into one of the biggest jokes in recent NFL memory.

So is he fine competing or does he think Rodgers is the starter.Seemed like he said he was both fine with competing...but he did not think that would be the right thing to do.

 

[T Bell]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

Favre's behaving like a spoiled princess, and his defenders are out amplifying "her" laments rather than telling him to cut out the whole princess act to begin with. I'm reminded of the famous scene from The Godfather:

Johnny Fontane: Oh, Godfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.Don Corleone: [shouts] You can act like a man![he slaps Johnny]Don Corleone: What's the matter with you. Is this how you turned out? A Hollywood finocchio that cries like a woman.[Don Corleone imitates him sobbing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?"[cut to Tom who is laughing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?" What is that nonsense. Ridiculous.

J

I get a on that, but you avoided answering what I proposed was the mature solution to all of this for Favre, a simple three-step solution:1) announce your return, unequivocally; 2) apply for reinstatement; 3) report to camp. That's what an adult who just wants to play football does, and it immediately gives him all the leverage as it forces the Packers to fish or cut bait. No drama in the media, just go about your business, and events take care of themselves, with nobody blaming you. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones. But that's not what Favre did, and it's not what you're advocating, instead preferring to pick and choose certain quotes (tending to be favorable to Favre) and ignoring other (not-so-favorable) ones. It's just telling to me that the Favre supporters don't seem to have much of an explanation for why Favre didn't proceed as I've outlined here, if he "just wanted to return to play football".

 

[Raider Nation]

Wendy Nix vs. Rachel Nichols (both at Packers camp)

Who ya got?

 

[sho nuff]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

I haven't read all of the pages since this afternoon but has anyone disputed the post from a few pages back which claimed a source said McCarthy told Favre there would be no competition and Favre would be the backup no matter what? If that report is accurate, I can certainly see why Favre would want out.

Favre's own words disputed it.Or was he lying when he said ""Mike told me, hey, we're a better team with you on it but wanted to know if I have a problem with an open competition," Favre said. "I don't have a problem with competing -- you know that, but Aaron should be the starter right now because he's been out here all this time. This is more than about an open competition and I can do that, absolutely, but this is going to be mass confusion and that's not good for this team."Does that sound like McCarthy saying there would be no open competition?And that was Favre's words...

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

You are going on pure speculation...Im going on things that have actually for sure happened...like Favre's dislike of TT before this year.

Good point, I'm sure we can all remember those long Brett Favre press conferences where he bashed TT. Wait.....

No...but we can all remember him saying trade me.What are they going to do...cut me?And even in conferences this year...talking about TT and moves he did not make...which were before this year.Ring a bell?

He never said that he disliked TT. You are purely speculating.

 

[T Bell]

No, I tend to accept Mariucci at his word. The question is, is Favre to be believed when he tells Mooch this stuff?

The other question is: what are Favre's conditions for playing in Green Bay?

If you believe Mariucci / Favre, the conditions are nothing more than to have a shot to compete for the job and that the front office wants them back.J

Then Favre is either lying to Mooch or was lying with what he said happened in the talks with McCarthy when he spoke earlier today.

The other alternative - which I think is very plausible, the more I see of Favre - is that he doesn't know what he wants and he changes his mind hour to hour, and he's dumb enough to speak honestly about what he believes he wants at any given moment. I believe he now wants to play only for the Packers, and he told Mooch as much. I believe that last week he wanted to play for the Vikings and not the Bucs or the Jets, and probably not the Packers either, and was saying as much. Etc., etc. For a guy who takes months every offseason to decide whether he wants to play for the same team, this can't be a shocking explanation for what we're seeing.

I disagree with the thought that he's dumb. But I do think it's possible he's struggled over the last few weeks with not knowing for sure what he wants to do. I can see that.J

"Dumb" there means "not media savvy", rather than mentally deficient. When you're wishy washy struggling to know for sure what you want to do, voicing every new thought or intention that flies into your head in real time to reporters dying to quote you is not going to make you look good.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I do feel bad for Rodgers because Thompson and McCarthy have pretty much made it now that it may be impossible for him to succeed. As I said, he was going to be measured against Favre anyway but it's going to be even worse now because Favre wanted to return and the Packers tossed him aside like yesterday's garbage. Rodgers deserved a fair chance but he isn't likely to get one now. The guy was booed during a scrimmage for cryin out loud. It's only going to get worse for him from here on out and he'll have Thompson and McCarthy to blame for a lot of it.

Yes. I believe the reality is that the Green Bay Packers could have had Brett Favre as their starting QB if they'd handled this right and did not much more than act like they wanted Brett Favre as their starting QB.They did not do this and instead chose to make Aaron Rodger their starting QB.So if / when Rodgers struggles, the fans will correctly complain that they could have had Favre. And we all know how memories go. Favre never threw an incompletion or never missed the wide open guy. It's not fair but that's how it'll go.J

 

[sho nuff]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Favre camp, and many of his supporters have made it incredibly difficult to even talk rationally because of the underlying assumption that favre is still one of the greatest CURRENT QB's in the NFL, and that the job should be his just because he wants it. I have a real problem with that kind of arrogance, and I suspect that many coaches and GMs would also, even if the player were a little better then the young guy replacing him.

I guess I just don't see what you're seeing. I think many people believe that Favre is a much better QB than Rodgers. That's really the only question that matters.He is a 3 time MVP coming of a #2 MVP finish last season. I don't think it's a stretch to say he's a good NFL QB. We don't know if Rodgers is a good NFL QB yet.As far as the job being his just because he wants it, McCarthy has said repeatedly that Favre was fine with competing for the starting job. McCarthy even said that Favre believed Rodgers should be the starter right now. I guess I'm just not seeing the arrogance a head coach is supposedly feeling when the head coach is saying the QB was fine with competing for the job.J

But Joe...I simply don't think that is the only question that matters.Ability wise, he is the better QB this year.Beyond that, where does that leave the team?What arrogance is McCarthy showing in that?He asked if the QB was fine with an open competition...and that was Favre's version of it too.So if McCarthy asked that...why do you still think Favre so wants to play for GB...when Favre is the one saying the competition may not be best?When Favre is saying it may just be best to part ways?

 

[T Bell]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

I haven't read all of the pages since this afternoon but has anyone disputed the post from a few pages back which claimed a source said McCarthy told Favre there would be no competition and Favre would be the backup no matter what? If that report is accurate, I can certainly see why Favre would want out.

Favre's own words disputed it.Or was he lying when he said ""Mike told me, hey, we're a better team with you on it but wanted to know if I have a problem with an open competition," Favre said. "I don't have a problem with competing -- you know that, but Aaron should be the starter right now because he's been out here all this time. This is more than about an open competition and I can do that, absolutely, but this is going to be mass confusion and that's not good for this team."Does that sound like McCarthy saying there would be no open competition?And that was Favre's words...

The selective memory of the Favre-defenders is astounding. But what the hell, let's just listen to Favre's buddy, Mooch.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?Then why say release me?Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

Favre's behaving like a spoiled princess, and his defenders are out amplifying "her" laments rather than telling him to cut out the whole princess act to begin with. I'm reminded of the famous scene from The Godfather:

Johnny Fontane: Oh, Godfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.Don Corleone: [shouts] You can act like a man![he slaps Johnny]Don Corleone: What's the matter with you. Is this how you turned out? A Hollywood finocchio that cries like a woman.[Don Corleone imitates him sobbing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?"[cut to Tom who is laughing]Don Corleone: "What can I do?" What is that nonsense. Ridiculous.

J

I get a on that, but you avoided answering what I proposed was the mature solution to all of this for Favre, a simple three-step solution:1) announce your return, unequivocally; 2) apply for reinstatement; 3) report to camp. That's what an adult who just wants to play football does, and it immediately gives him all the leverage as it forces the Packers to fish or cut bait. No drama in the media, just go about your business, and events take care of themselves, with nobody blaming you. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones. But that's not what Favre did, and it's not what you're advocating, instead preferring to pick and choose certain quotes (tending to be favorable to Favre) and ignoring other (not-so-favorable) ones. It's just telling to me that the Favre supporters don't seem to have much of an explanation for why Favre didn't proceed as I've outlined here, if he "just wanted to return to play football".

Seriously?What part of "I don't want to be a distraction if the front office doesn't want me there" do you not understand?J

 

[packersfan]

I get a on that, but you avoided answering what I proposed was the mature solution to all of this for Favre, a simple three-step solution:1) announce your return, unequivocally; 2) apply for reinstatement; 3) report to camp. That's what an adult who just wants to play football does, and it immediately gives him all the leverage as it forces the Packers to fish or cut bait.

The Packers made it clear they didn't want him back. So he wanted to explore his options. This is what an adult does when he is told by his current employer that he is no longer wanted. Do you honestly think that if the Packers had told Favre a month ago that they would welcome him back with open arms that this mess would have even started? I can't believe anyone would honestly believe that. All the Packers had to do when they first heard Favre wanted to come back was bring him back. That's it. Problem solved. People take some shots at Favre for flip flopping but everybody's happy. Maybe not Aaron Rodgers but everybody else is happy. None of this would have happened had the Packers simply brought him back. All of this happened because they have been adamantly opposed to the idea of bringing Favre back. That's when the mess began.

 

[sho nuff]

No, I tend to accept Mariucci at his word. The question is, is Favre to be believed when he tells Mooch this stuff?

The other question is: what are Favre's conditions for playing in Green Bay?

If you believe Mariucci / Favre, the conditions are nothing more than to have a shot to compete for the job and that the front office wants them back.J

Then Favre is either lying to Mooch or was lying with what he said happened in the talks with McCarthy when he spoke earlier today.

The other alternative - which I think is very plausible, the more I see of Favre - is that he doesn't know what he wants and he changes his mind hour to hour, and he's dumb enough to speak honestly about what he believes he wants at any given moment. I believe he now wants to play only for the Packers, and he told Mooch as much. I believe that last week he wanted to play for the Vikings and not the Bucs or the Jets, and probably not the Packers either, and was saying as much. Etc., etc. For a guy who takes months every offseason to decide whether he wants to play for the same team, this can't be a shocking explanation for what we're seeing.

I agree and think he is not sure...which is what McCarthy sees as well saying he was not committed to this team right now.I just have seen every answer of his have this...maybe and ifs and all that attached to it starting with the Greta interview...now in less than 12 hours he gives two different sets of answers really.

 

[sho nuff]

This is clipped from the article fatness posted.....

"Mike told me, hey, we're a better team with you on it but wanted to know if I have a problem with an open competition," Favre said. "I don't have a problem with competing -- you know that, but Aaron should be the starter right now because he's been out here all this time. This is more than about an open competition and I can do that, absolutely, but this is going to be mass confusion and that's not good for this team.

"I'll practice my butt off, if it comes to that, and I think we all know what the end result will be, but this probably isn't going to work. And I truly understand that if I was in Mike's shoes, I'd see it basically the same way he sees it, I'm sure. And I think if he was in my shoes, he'd see it my way. I think we both agree on that.

Does anyone else read this as Favre saying he welcomes the open competition, but wont' participate in it? Because that's how I read it.Am I off base?

No, you're not off base. He wants to have it both ways - he wants to say that he's fine with an open competition, but he doesn't want to participate in it, supposedly because it's too much of a distraction to the team. I guess that means he wants to just be handed the starting job in Green Bay . . . that is, to the extent he wants to play in Green Bay at all. And of course he doesn't want to play in Green Bay - he wants to go elsewhere.

This is exactly how I read it.

I don't. It reads to me as though Favre is saying Rodgers deserves to remain the starter right now because he's been in camp and Favre has not. Should there be an open competition for the job however, Favre is confident he will prevail and he believes McCarthy knows this as well. But, Favre thinks the end result of his ultimately supplanting Rodgers a month from now will create "mass confusion" for the players and hurt the team.

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

Because some of us believe that a 3-time MVP who just led his team to the NFC Championship Game (while playing at a high level) should be reinstated as starter automatically vs. an unproven, injury-prone QB who hasn't started a single game in the NFL, and was coached by the same guy who launched the college careers of multiple failed pro QBs.Does that sum it up?

Which is totally myopic. so he should be allowed to ruin a franchises ability to play and evaluate the one heir apparent they have in his final contract year because he feels like it? winning a couple extra games this year - and i'm not even convinced that's remotely assured with a 38 year old qb - is meaningless when compared to the benefit of having Rodgers FINALLY get his chance to prove himself. This "he gives them the best chance NOW" is incredibly short sighted and ignores the numerous long term ramifications of letting the petulant baby have his way.

Its not Rodgers final contract year.

 

[Kleck]

I do feel bad for Rodgers because Thompson and McCarthy have pretty much made it now that it may be impossible for him to succeed. As I said, he was going to be measured against Favre anyway but it's going to be even worse now because Favre wanted to return and the Packers tossed him aside like yesterday's garbage. Rodgers deserved a fair chance but he isn't likely to get one now. The guy was booed during a scrimmage for cryin out loud. It's only going to get worse for him from here on out and he'll have Thompson and McCarthy to blame for a lot of it.

I agree that it could get very rough for Rodgers. He cannot, and will not, be able to win in the eyes of some. And it's unfortunate. For all the talk that Favre is the better choice to lead this team to the Super Bowl, there are other areas on the team that need to improve for this to happen. Not to mention the health of the team which is always a key part. Even if Favre had never retired and been working with the team through all the OTAs, returning to the NFCC game is far from a guarantee. But some will base Rodgers season on the assumption that Favre would be taking us to a Super Bowl, and that is wrong on every level.

 

[packersfan]

I do feel bad for Rodgers because Thompson and McCarthy have pretty much made it now that it may be impossible for him to succeed. As I said, he was going to be measured against Favre anyway but it's going to be even worse now because Favre wanted to return and the Packers tossed him aside like yesterday's garbage. Rodgers deserved a fair chance but he isn't likely to get one now. The guy was booed during a scrimmage for cryin out loud. It's only going to get worse for him from here on out and he'll have Thompson and McCarthy to blame for a lot of it.

Yes. I believe the reality is that the Green Bay Packers could have had Brett Favre as their starting QB if they'd handled this right and did not much more than act like they wanted Brett Favre as their starting QB.They did not do this and instead chose to make Aaron Rodger their starting QB.So if / when Rodgers struggles, the fans will correctly complain that they could have had Favre. And we all know how memories go. Favre never threw an incompletion or never missed the wide open guy. It's not fair but that's how it'll go.J

Yup. It's one thing to pine for the guy who was once there but no longer will be. It's another to realize a potential (if not virtually certain) better option was available that could have enabled the team to avoid the mess they found themselves in.Rodgers is being set up to fail by Thompson and McCarthy and I doubt he even realizes it. I hope like hell he's better than your typical first-year starting QB because if he isn't and the Packers lose, it's going to be pretty damn ugly in Green Bay for him (and Thompson and McCarthy) this season.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Favre is running to the media every chance he gets. I think he is saying some of these things to try to make it seem like he is taking the high road.

Why this isn't more apparent to the people who are all over the team and supporting Favre is beyond me.

and how anyone can support his DEMANDS to be traded to either of the Packers' primary divisional rivals is beyond me as well. He has refused any trade to anyone but Minnesota until now...why? because he's a child is why. It's a delusional, immature, blatantly confrontational demand designed to cause this exact standoff. There is NO WAY they will trade him to Minnesota, and they absolutely shouldn't. He can pull a Montana to the Chiefs or OJ to SF if he wants, but he's demanding Montana to Dallas - which is idiotic. How anyone can support Favre - the guy who's been feeding ESPN throughout it all to try and gain favor in the media - is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Again, I guess it depends on who you believe. Is Mariucci lying when he says that Favre's wants to play first and foremost in Green Bay?J

Then why leave camp?Then why say it just won't work?

Then why say release me?

Then why say he won't compete as he does not think it is right?

If he so wants to play for GB...push it to that...he has pushed so many other things...distraction be damned...why stop short of what he claims to really want?

Favre's behaving like a spoiled princess, and his defenders are out amplifying "her" laments rather than telling him to cut out the whole princess act to begin with. I'm reminded of the famous scene from The Godfather:

Johnny Fontane: Oh, Godfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.

Don Corleone: [shouts] You can act like a man!

[he slaps Johnny]

Don Corleone: What's the matter with you. Is this how you turned out? A Hollywood finocchio that cries like a woman.

[Don Corleone imitates him sobbing]

Don Corleone: "What can I do?"

[cut to Tom who is laughing]

Don Corleone: "What can I do?" What is that nonsense. Ridiculous.

J

I get a on that, but you avoided answering what I proposed was the mature solution to all of this for Favre, a simple three-step solution:1) announce your return, unequivocally;

2) apply for reinstatement;

3) report to camp.

That's what an adult who just wants to play football does, and it immediately gives him all the leverage as it forces the Packers to fish or cut bait. No drama in the media, just go about your business, and events take care of themselves, with nobody blaming you.

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones. But that's not what Favre did, and it's not what you're advocating, instead preferring to pick and choose certain quotes (tending to be favorable to Favre) and ignoring other (not-so-favorable) ones. It's just telling to me that the Favre supporters don't seem to have much of an explanation for why Favre didn't proceed as I've outlined here, if he "just wanted to return to play football".

Maybe you should be Favre's agent?You've seen the answer here Tatum. Multiple times in the last couple of pages. He didn't proceed that way because he knew/thought that the Green Bay FO didn't want him back. So he floated his return to see what would happen. What happened is that TT told him that they had moved on and Aaron was the QB with no competition. He then leaked that to the press, which I'm sure that TT didn't expect for some reason. Then TT backpedaled (remember the "Favre as coach" remark, LOL) and this whole cluster began.

Many of us have said many times: TT should have acted like he wanted Favre back while trying to gauge interest himself in his value while it was at it's height. Then even if Favre pulled his "only the Vikings" crap, TT could have announced that they had moved on, they had a deal in place with Tampa/Jets, but Favre refused to go. Then Favre looks like a bitter fool and not TT.

 

[sho nuff]

I do feel bad for Rodgers because Thompson and McCarthy have pretty much made it now that it may be impossible for him to succeed. As I said, he was going to be measured against Favre anyway but it's going to be even worse now because Favre wanted to return and the Packers tossed him aside like yesterday's garbage. Rodgers deserved a fair chance but he isn't likely to get one now. The guy was booed during a scrimmage for cryin out loud. It's only going to get worse for him from here on out and he'll have Thompson and McCarthy to blame for a lot of it.

Yes. I believe the reality is that the Green Bay Packers could have had Brett Favre as their starting QB if they'd handled this right and did not much more than act like they wanted Brett Favre as their starting QB.They did not do this and instead chose to make Aaron Rodger their starting QB.So if / when Rodgers struggles, the fans will correctly complain that they could have had Favre. And we all know how memories go. Favre never threw an incompletion or never missed the wide open guy. It's not fair but that's how it'll go.J

I disagree that all they had to do was act like the wanted him.They did so back in March...and he retired.Yet claimed they did not do enough to convince him to stay.I think he needed more than just them saying welcome back...I really do.