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From PFT - why is Favre so gung ho about staying the the division - must be for spite cause the Jets are not that much worse than Tampa!

JETS MAKE BEST OFFER, ARE FAVRE’S LAST CHOICE

Posted by Michael David Smith on August 6, 2008, 8:39 a.m.

It now appears that the New York Jets are the team willing to part with the best package to acquire Brett Favre in a trade, and that New York is the place the Packers would like to ship Favre, because it gets him out of the NFC.

But it also appears that of all the teams that have an interest in Favre’s services, the Jets are the team Favre least wants to play for.

Appearing on ESPN Radio this morning, Fox Sports reporter Jay Glazer said the Tampa Tribune’s report that Favre is on the verge of being a Buc is not true, and that there’s a lot of negotiation still to be done before any deal could be completed.

“Right now the Jets have a better deal on the table than the Buccaneers do,” Glazer said. “The deal the Jets are offering right now is so much sweeter than the deal the Buccaneers are offering.”

But Glazer added that even though Favre is talking to the Jets, he so far simply hasn’t warmed up to the idea of playing for them.

And since no Favre trade will be completed until his new team is sure that he’ll be committed, that leaves us pretty much where we were last night: Wondering if Favre and the Packers can ever make up their minds about a scenario that will work for all of them.

 
Speculation is that Favre will e heading to Tampa Bay, but as a Bears fan, the ideal situation would be that GB trades Favre to the Vikings. Favre would then show everyone that he really is washed up and Rodgers is not ready to lead a team. Two birds with one stone :thumbup:

Also, I asked this once before (can't remember which Favre thread it was): What should the packers accept as fair compensation for Favre? What is fair to Packer fans? A bag of footballs?

 
ookook said:
renesauz said:
ConstruxBoy said:
LOL, I think that quote is going to kill some of the Pro-TT guys here Joe. They've been working under the assumption that Favre thinks he's too good to compete to start. So now that the coach says that he's OK with that, they need to find something else to grab on to. Hence all the recent posts about Favre going about this the wrong way, which is true of course.
no CB....the problem is that BF, and most of his supporters, can't even concieve of the possibility that he could lose said competition. Now, from a coaching GM standpoint, I would next wonder/ask: "Brett, if you lose the competition and we choose to start Rodgers, what will you do? Wil you back him up and lend your experiance to the coaching staff/SUPPORT US, or will you bolt (and attempt to undermine us in the press again). Regardless of who McCarthy thinks would win, if Brett wasn't willing to accept the consequences of losing the job, then it was NOT in the teams best interest to allow him to compete. It could very well be that BOTH sides would have welcomed an open competition, but couldn't agree on what would happen IF Brett actually lost.WOW...that gos right in line with ALL of McCarthy's comments like "Favre not being in the right mindset to return".Favre is upset because 1. He didn't feel like he was welcomed back with open arms from the SECOND he changed his mind (and why would he be??????)2. He can't accept that ANYBODY in the organization might honestly beleive Rodgers to be a better direction for the team. He is incapable of facing the consequences of losing the starting job in an "open" competition.These things are not stretches.
All speculation. No evidence that he was to be allowed to compete. Some to the opposite.So far it seems like Favre has largely told the truth. He was willing to compete. Anyone who thinks he was afraid to lose is pretty delusional.It looks like he was never going to be allowed to practice with other Packers. Or compete. When they said "we have moved on" they meant it. And then tried to force him to stay retired.The Packers were the ones afraid of a competition.
:thumbup:
So a posting where a guy claims someone else is speculating...but goes on to speculate with no evidence himself is now a good posting?
I don't think it's speculating to say that the Packers were the ones afraid of a competition and I can't believe that you would disagree with that. I imagine that Favre doesn't want a competition and doesn't think he should have to go through it, but he would. The Packers do not want a competition and I think it's clear that they told him that when he called in June.
 
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sho nuff said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Joe Bryant said:
3nOut said:
Joe Bryant said:
Seriously?

What part of "I don't want to be a distraction backup if the front office doesn't want me there" do you not understand?

J
I think Favre simply wanted to be handed over the starting job and didn't really want to compete for the job. His ego wouldn't let anyone but him lead the team to a SB.
What makes you think that though? When Mike McCarthy (not Favre) says he believes that Favre was 100% fine with competing for the job, are you saying Mike McCarthy is lying?J
LOL, I think that quote is going to kill some of the Pro-TT guys here Joe. They've been working under the assumption that Favre thinks he's too good to compete to start. So now that the coach says that he's OK with that, they need to find something else to grab on to. Hence all the recent posts about Favre going about this the wrong way, which is true of course.
Umm...Favre also said McCarthy asked about it meaning he was ok with it too.And while Favre was apparently ok with it...it was he, according to Brett himself, that said it was probably not a good idea.

Why can't some of you understand that?
LOL, of course we understand that. But it doesn't make your argument any stronger. Your argument is that Favre doesn't want to compete for the job. We have presented you with a quote that MM and BF have both said they are fine with that in theory, but that given the current situation it isn't fair to Aaron. So now you are using that to try to say that Brett is against a competition or is too good for a competition?

Seriously?
My argument is that Favre himself stated that while willing to do it, he did not think it was best to do.Im saying that Brett is so for a competition that he said that Rodgers should be the starter and the competition would not be good.

My point is that you all are going on like McCarthy is the one that put an end to the competition...and right now we have no evidence of that...we do have evidence that Favre is the one who put an end to that with his own quote.

 
ookook said:
renesauz said:
ConstruxBoy said:
LOL, I think that quote is going to kill some of the Pro-TT guys here Joe. They've been working under the assumption that Favre thinks he's too good to compete to start. So now that the coach says that he's OK with that, they need to find something else to grab on to. Hence all the recent posts about Favre going about this the wrong way, which is true of course.
no CB....the problem is that BF, and most of his supporters, can't even concieve of the possibility that he could lose said competition. Now, from a coaching GM standpoint, I would next wonder/ask: "Brett, if you lose the competition and we choose to start Rodgers, what will you do? Wil you back him up and lend your experiance to the coaching staff/SUPPORT US, or will you bolt (and attempt to undermine us in the press again). Regardless of who McCarthy thinks would win, if Brett wasn't willing to accept the consequences of losing the job, then it was NOT in the teams best interest to allow him to compete. It could very well be that BOTH sides would have welcomed an open competition, but couldn't agree on what would happen IF Brett actually lost.WOW...that gos right in line with ALL of McCarthy's comments like "Favre not being in the right mindset to return".Favre is upset because 1. He didn't feel like he was welcomed back with open arms from the SECOND he changed his mind (and why would he be??????)2. He can't accept that ANYBODY in the organization might honestly beleive Rodgers to be a better direction for the team. He is incapable of facing the consequences of losing the starting job in an "open" competition.These things are not stretches.
All speculation. No evidence that he was to be allowed to compete. Some to the opposite.So far it seems like Favre has largely told the truth. He was willing to compete. Anyone who thinks he was afraid to lose is pretty delusional.It looks like he was never going to be allowed to practice with other Packers. Or compete. When they said "we have moved on" they meant it. And then tried to force him to stay retired.The Packers were the ones afraid of a competition.
:lmao:
So a posting where a guy claims someone else is speculating...but goes on to speculate with no evidence himself is now a good posting?
I don't think it's speculating to say that the Packers were the ones afraid of a competition and I can't believe that you would disagree with that. I imagine that Favre doesn't want a competition and doesn't think he should have to go through it, by he would. The Packers do not want a competition and I think it's clear that they told him that when he called in June.
It is speculation to say that it looks like he was not going to be allowed to practice or compete.And yes...it is speculation to say they were afraid of it.I would disagree with it...Favre's own quote shows that McCarthy was open to it when asking Favre about it.What is clear that you all are ok with speculation as long as it fits your idea of the situation...if not, you write it off as speculation and just won't believe it.
 
sho nuff said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Joe Bryant said:
3nOut said:
Joe Bryant said:
Seriously?

What part of "I don't want to be a distraction backup if the front office doesn't want me there" do you not understand?

J
I think Favre simply wanted to be handed over the starting job and didn't really want to compete for the job. His ego wouldn't let anyone but him lead the team to a SB.
What makes you think that though? When Mike McCarthy (not Favre) says he believes that Favre was 100% fine with competing for the job, are you saying Mike McCarthy is lying?J
LOL, I think that quote is going to kill some of the Pro-TT guys here Joe. They've been working under the assumption that Favre thinks he's too good to compete to start. So now that the coach says that he's OK with that, they need to find something else to grab on to. Hence all the recent posts about Favre going about this the wrong way, which is true of course.
Umm...Favre also said McCarthy asked about it meaning he was ok with it too.And while Favre was apparently ok with it...it was he, according to Brett himself, that said it was probably not a good idea.

Why can't some of you understand that?
LOL, of course we understand that. But it doesn't make your argument any stronger. Your argument is that Favre doesn't want to compete for the job. We have presented you with a quote that MM and BF have both said they are fine with that in theory, but that given the current situation it isn't fair to Aaron. So now you are using that to try to say that Brett is against a competition or is too good for a competition?

Seriously?
My argument is that Favre himself stated that while willing to do it, he did not think it was best to do.Im saying that Brett is so for a competition that he said that Rodgers should be the starter and the competition would not be good.

My point is that you all are going on like McCarthy is the one that put an end to the competition...and right now we have no evidence of that...we do have evidence that Favre is the one who put an end to that with his own quote.
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.

 
ookook said:
renesauz said:
ConstruxBoy said:
LOL, I think that quote is going to kill some of the Pro-TT guys here Joe. They've been working under the assumption that Favre thinks he's too good to compete to start. So now that the coach says that he's OK with that, they need to find something else to grab on to. Hence all the recent posts about Favre going about this the wrong way, which is true of course.
no CB....the problem is that BF, and most of his supporters, can't even concieve of the possibility that he could lose said competition. Now, from a coaching GM standpoint, I would next wonder/ask: "Brett, if you lose the competition and we choose to start Rodgers, what will you do? Wil you back him up and lend your experiance to the coaching staff/SUPPORT US, or will you bolt (and attempt to undermine us in the press again). Regardless of who McCarthy thinks would win, if Brett wasn't willing to accept the consequences of losing the job, then it was NOT in the teams best interest to allow him to compete. It could very well be that BOTH sides would have welcomed an open competition, but couldn't agree on what would happen IF Brett actually lost.WOW...that gos right in line with ALL of McCarthy's comments like "Favre not being in the right mindset to return".Favre is upset because 1. He didn't feel like he was welcomed back with open arms from the SECOND he changed his mind (and why would he be??????)2. He can't accept that ANYBODY in the organization might honestly beleive Rodgers to be a better direction for the team. He is incapable of facing the consequences of losing the starting job in an "open" competition.These things are not stretches.
All speculation. No evidence that he was to be allowed to compete. Some to the opposite.So far it seems like Favre has largely told the truth. He was willing to compete. Anyone who thinks he was afraid to lose is pretty delusional.It looks like he was never going to be allowed to practice with other Packers. Or compete. When they said "we have moved on" they meant it. And then tried to force him to stay retired.The Packers were the ones afraid of a competition.
:lmao:
So a posting where a guy claims someone else is speculating...but goes on to speculate with no evidence himself is now a good posting?
I don't think it's speculating to say that the Packers were the ones afraid of a competition and I can't believe that you would disagree with that. I imagine that Favre doesn't want a competition and doesn't think he should have to go through it, by he would. The Packers do not want a competition and I think it's clear that they told him that when he called in June.
It is speculation to say that it looks like he was not going to be allowed to practice or compete.And yes...it is speculation to say they were afraid of it.I would disagree with it...Favre's own quote shows that McCarthy was open to it when asking Favre about it.What is clear that you all are ok with speculation as long as it fits your idea of the situation...if not, you write it off as speculation and just won't believe it.
Read the post above this. I don't think there is any speculation at all that the Packers do not want Brett on the team this season and have not since the draft. That is clear. If you can't see that, there's not much more I can do.
 
Umm...what stuff was not true? You have some evidence of their lies?
Tampering by Minnesota allegations were proven to be false.
That makes the allegation a lie?Come on...that is a reach there.
"An allegation is a statement of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims it will prove."They claimed something happened and it clearly did not.

Fortunately, not everyone takes the Packers' words as gospel.

 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
 
Umm...what stuff was not true? You have some evidence of their lies?
Tampering by Minnesota allegations were proven to be false.
That makes the allegation a lie?Come on...that is a reach there.
"An allegation is a statement of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims it will prove."They claimed something happened and it clearly did not.

Fortunately, not everyone takes the Packers' words as gospel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegationI don't think you understand the meaning of the word allegation.

They knew it was not going to be easy to prove...but because there was contact (that neither party denies) they had to go forward with it.

And this is not one of the "lies" Brett is referring to...and I was getting at...now...show me some lie they made about Brett and this situation with some proof other than Brett's words.

Got any? I doubt it.

 
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Why...is...it...so...hard...to...type...something...without...hitting...the...period...key? It...is...very...hard...to...read..things...like...that...
 
Umm...what stuff was not true? You have some evidence of their lies?
Tampering by Minnesota allegations were proven to be false.
That makes the allegation a lie?Come on...that is a reach there.
"An allegation is a statement of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims it will prove."They claimed something happened and it clearly did not.

Fortunately, not everyone takes the Packers' words as gospel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegationI don't think you understand the meaning of the word allegation.

They knew it was not going to be easy to prove...but because there was contact (that neither party denies) they had to go forward with it.

And this is not one of the "lies" Brett is referring to...and I was getting at...now...show me some lie they made about Brett and this situation with some proof other than Brett's words.

Got any? I doubt it.
Read the words I bolded again. You typed them, you should be able to understand them.
 
What appears to have happened is when McCarthy met with Favre and asked "are you 100% committed to this team" he wasn't. He wanted to go to Minnesota and coming to Green Bay was "calling their bluff" as Brett said in the Fox interview. He wanted a release.

It is obvious he refused all trades they set up. McCarthy and TT weren't going to release him so he could punish the team for issues Brett thought TT screwed him in the past. They are failure to hire Mooch, letting both his guards go and failure to sign Moss.

They weren't going to release him. Coming out of the tunnel in purple would have been unacceptable to the fans. Many of the fans were very vocally against trading for Moss.

These guys in other cities don't understand Green Bay.

 
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Why...is...it...so...hard...to...type...something...without...hitting...the...period...key? It...is...very...hard...to...read..things...like...that...
I think its easy to read...it shows where a break in thoughts and sentences are.Much better than some of the run on stuff that other people write.Just a habit really...more out of laziness and not caring too much about proper grammar.
 
Umm...what stuff was not true? You have some evidence of their lies?
Tampering by Minnesota allegations were proven to be false.
No they weren't. Brett Favre said there was no tampering so there was no evidence of tampering. If it the team he wanted to go I can see him withholding information. Withut him there is no evidence.Show where the NFL said false.

 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Once again, if you can't read between the lines, I can't help you. TT was asked about an open competition and said that they have moved on and it was too late for that. I'm sure that I was not the only one to see those quotes. But please, keep trying to convince people of your argument here by clinging to the fact that the quote is not exactly what you require it to be. You're doing a great job. :bag:
 
Umm...what stuff was not true? You have some evidence of their lies?
Tampering by Minnesota allegations were proven to be false.
That makes the allegation a lie?Come on...that is a reach there.
"An allegation is a statement of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims it will prove."They claimed something happened and it clearly did not.

Fortunately, not everyone takes the Packers' words as gospel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegationI don't think you understand the meaning of the word allegation.

They knew it was not going to be easy to prove...but because there was contact (that neither party denies) they had to go forward with it.

And this is not one of the "lies" Brett is referring to...and I was getting at...now...show me some lie they made about Brett and this situation with some proof other than Brett's words.

Got any? I doubt it.
Read the words I bolded again. You typed them, you should be able to understand them.
Yes...in a response to "Favre gets especially bent when the FO says things that aren't true."Notice Favre does not mention the tampering allegation in this when discussing things they said that are not true.

It was an allegation...that it was ruled not to have happened...does not make it not true...it means it was not proven enough to Goodell.

Do you think he and Childress were just discussing where the good places to eat in Minny were? Or where he could pick up some wranglers?

Like I said...bringing up the tampering as a lie is a reach.

 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Once again, if you can't read between the lines, I can't help you. TT was asked about an open competition and said that they have moved on and it was too late for that. I'm sure that I was not the only one to see those quotes. But please, keep trying to convince people of your argument here by clinging to the fact that the quote is not exactly what you require it to be. You're doing a great job. :goodposting:
Then you should be able to easily find that quote.And again...apparently, something did change...because part of what was said to have brought him to GB was an agreement that he would be allowed to compete...this is backed up by Favre admitting McCarthy asked him if he was ok with an open competition. And while Brett was ok with it...he did not think it would be right. So in the end...it was Brett that put an end to any competition...not Ted Thompson.Im clinging to the fact that Favre specifically mentions McCarthy talking about an open competition and that Brett himself was the one who put an end to it...and he never said McCarthy did.
 
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If all of this is true...and yes, its a big if as it is according to some unnamed sources...then I don't see anything Ted could have done outside of going down and blowing Brett himself to beg him to come back.
January 21st TT-"Brett that was a tough loss yesterday to the Giants but we want you back next year and take your time with your decision to return. We will welcome you with open arms next year"Brett-"Thanks and I appreciate that"A few more follow up conversations like that in February and Brett would have been back. That didn't happen because TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK!!! Why do the TT supporters try and ignore this key component to this mess?
Umm...so he should have just let Brett take all the time in the world.What if Brett then decides in July that he is not coming back?Ted did let him have his time to think about it...but then asked him for a decision. Ted stepped back and let Favre think on his own. He let McCarthy talk to him...which he did weekly IIRC.The way you make it sound goes against what his family was saying...that they don't think Ted did enough to convince him.Again...I don't think it is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. Because McCarthy did talk to him and communicate with him and let him know he was wanted all spring.Why do you ignore that?Why do you ignore that his family has said they did not like how Ted did not talk to him as much this offseason...that he did not make enough moves for Brett?Why do you ignore that you cannot just let the guy have all the time in the world when you have to prepare a football team.There is not much of a real NFL offseason anymore. Teams are preparing nearly all year long now.
Umm....Why do you ignore all the reports coming out that TT and McCarthy made the decision to move on without Favre before he even announced his retirement?
 
Yes...in a response to "Favre gets especially bent when the FO says things that aren't true."Notice Favre does not mention the tampering allegation in this when discussing things they said that are not true.It was an allegation...that it was ruled not to have happened...does not make it not true...it means it was not proven enough to Goodell.Do you think he and Childress were just discussing where the good places to eat in Minny were? Or where he could pick up some wranglers?Like I said...bringing up the tampering as a lie is a reach.
I don't know why you bother with this guy. His hatred of the Packers trumps everything. Innocent and failure to find enough evidence are very different things.
 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Once again, if you can't read between the lines, I can't help you. TT was asked about an open competition and said that they have moved on and it was too late for that. I'm sure that I was not the only one to see those quotes. But please, keep trying to convince people of your argument here by clinging to the fact that the quote is not exactly what you require it to be. You're doing a great job. :goodposting:
Then you should be able to easily find that quote.And again...apparently, something did change...because part of what was said to have brought him to GB was an agreement that he would be allowed to compete...this is backed up by Favre admitting McCarthy asked him if he was ok with an open competition. And while Brett was ok with it...he did not think it would be right. So in the end...it was Brett that put an end to any competition...not Ted Thompson.Im clinging to the fact that Favre specifically mentions McCarthy talking about an open competition and that Brett himself was the one who put an end to it...and he never said McCarthy did.
Brett didn't think it would be right because after his lenghty meetings with McCarthy he finally got the message that they didn't want him back and it was time for the Packers to move on without Favre. Did you read the article posted here that the Packers admitted they were not serious about having an open competition and did that to help with Favre's trade value?
 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Once again, if you can't read between the lines, I can't help you. TT was asked about an open competition and said that they have moved on and it was too late for that. I'm sure that I was not the only one to see those quotes. But please, keep trying to convince people of your argument here by clinging to the fact that the quote is not exactly what you require it to be. You're doing a great job. :goodposting:
Then you should be able to easily find that quote.And again...apparently, something did change...because part of what was said to have brought him to GB was an agreement that he would be allowed to compete...this is backed up by Favre admitting McCarthy asked him if he was ok with an open competition. And while Brett was ok with it...he did not think it would be right. So in the end...it was Brett that put an end to any competition...not Ted Thompson.Im clinging to the fact that Favre specifically mentions McCarthy talking about an open competition and that Brett himself was the one who put an end to it...and he never said McCarthy did.
You're useless to try to explain this to. Thanks for the comments.
 
sho nuff said:
If all of this is true...and yes, its a big if as it is according to some unnamed sources...then I don't see anything Ted could have done outside of going down and blowing Brett himself to beg him to come back.
January 21st TT-"Brett that was a tough loss yesterday to the Giants but we want you back next year and take your time with your decision to return. We will welcome you with open arms next year"Brett-"Thanks and I appreciate that"A few more follow up conversations like that in February and Brett would have been back. That didn't happen because TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK!!! Why do the TT supporters try and ignore this key component to this mess?
Umm...so he should have just let Brett take all the time in the world.What if Brett then decides in July that he is not coming back?Ted did let him have his time to think about it...but then asked him for a decision. Ted stepped back and let Favre think on his own. He let McCarthy talk to him...which he did weekly IIRC.The way you make it sound goes against what his family was saying...that they don't think Ted did enough to convince him.Again...I don't think it is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. Because McCarthy did talk to him and communicate with him and let him know he was wanted all spring.Why do you ignore that?Why do you ignore that his family has said they did not like how Ted did not talk to him as much this offseason...that he did not make enough moves for Brett?Why do you ignore that you cannot just let the guy have all the time in the world when you have to prepare a football team.There is not much of a real NFL offseason anymore. Teams are preparing nearly all year long now.
Umm....Why do you ignore all the reports coming out that TT and McCarthy made the decision to move on without Favre before he even announced his retirement?
I don't. That does not mean they would not have let him back...by nearly every account they were ready to have him back had he not retired...they were ready to have him back not long after he retired.By several other accounts they were ready to have him back several other times this offseason...until the last time.Saying they want to move on...and actually showing they were doing it are two different things.
 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Once again, if you can't read between the lines, I can't help you. TT was asked about an open competition and said that they have moved on and it was too late for that. I'm sure that I was not the only one to see those quotes. But please, keep trying to convince people of your argument here by clinging to the fact that the quote is not exactly what you require it to be. You're doing a great job. :goodposting:
Then you should be able to easily find that quote.And again...apparently, something did change...because part of what was said to have brought him to GB was an agreement that he would be allowed to compete...this is backed up by Favre admitting McCarthy asked him if he was ok with an open competition. And while Brett was ok with it...he did not think it would be right. So in the end...it was Brett that put an end to any competition...not Ted Thompson.Im clinging to the fact that Favre specifically mentions McCarthy talking about an open competition and that Brett himself was the one who put an end to it...and he never said McCarthy did.
Brett didn't think it would be right because after his lenghty meetings with McCarthy he finally got the message that they didn't want him back and it was time for the Packers to move on without Favre. Did you read the article posted here that the Packers admitted they were not serious about having an open competition and did that to help with Favre's trade value?
you mean an article that was all speculation? Yes...I read it.I love how that is proof to some of you but Brett's own words about the meeting mean nothing.
 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear. But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Once again, if you can't read between the lines, I can't help you. TT was asked about an open competition and said that they have moved on and it was too late for that. I'm sure that I was not the only one to see those quotes. But please, keep trying to convince people of your argument here by clinging to the fact that the quote is not exactly what you require it to be. You're doing a great job. :no:
Then you should be able to easily find that quote.And again...apparently, something did change...because part of what was said to have brought him to GB was an agreement that he would be allowed to compete...this is backed up by Favre admitting McCarthy asked him if he was ok with an open competition. And while Brett was ok with it...he did not think it would be right. So in the end...it was Brett that put an end to any competition...not Ted Thompson.Im clinging to the fact that Favre specifically mentions McCarthy talking about an open competition and that Brett himself was the one who put an end to it...and he never said McCarthy did.
You're useless to try to explain this to. Thanks for the comments.
Yes...it is useless to try and explain speculation vs. what Favre himself actually said.Its useless playing off speculation as fact.
 
Sho nuff....I know this was posted earlier today but please read this without your TT blinders on. We all know Favre didn't handle himself well in many situations in this mess but this all boils down to one simple concept. The Packers didn't want Favre to return and they think that they are better off with Rodgers than Favre.

It’s time to go

Packers finally tell Favre that he’s not wanted

Posted: Aug. 5, 2008

Bob McGinn

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Green Bay - Several times over the years, Brett Favre would ponder his future in football and tell people that he would play "until the Packers don't want me anymore."

Underneath all the twists and turns, sources and stories, interviews and indignities, was one salient fact that never changed:

Favre wasn't wanted in Green Bay.It took Favre almost seven months to figure it out, but figure it out he finally did Tuesday when Mike McCarthy at last gave it to him straight.

Then Favre drove out of Lambeau Field, in all probability never to wear the No. 4 jersey again that was front and center in one of the most amazing reclamation projects in National Football League history.

Parting company with any legendary athlete is next to impossible, but one with apparent usefulness is impossible. The Packers found themselves caught in a public-relations vice, trying to distance themselves from an all-time great who just wouldn't go away.

From a purely football perspective, the organizational shift against Favre began that November night in Dallas, gained steam in the arctic cold of Soldier Field and became a blaze during Favre's pathetic second-half showing against the New York Giants with a Super Bowl there for the taking.

Just about everyone who counted in the football department reached the conclusion that Favre could never win another championship. His dismal playoff record in the past decade couldn't be overlooked. And the Packers concluded that it would be the mother of all mistakes if Aaron Rodgers got away without being properly evaluated as a starter.

Favre had one chance, and one chance only, to salvage his career in Green Bay. He had to commit wholeheartedly for another season by early March.

One could argue that the Packers erred by asking Favre for an answer that early. But having been hung out to dry by Favre too often in the past, they were in no mood for drama. Their days of mollycoddling were over.

The Packers would have taken back Favre as the starter, albeit reluctantly, if he had acted like any other player and not some diva. That is, show up for work in late March, practice until mid-June and be in exceptional condition by July 28.

That's never too much to expect.

Once Favre tearfully retired, the die was cast. The singular comment made by Favre on March 6 that remains etched indelibly was his admission that he really didn't want the ball in the clutch anymore.

After that, the Packers cut the cord, and rightly so. Favre had come across to most as an emotionally spent 38-year-old with nothing left athletically that he cared to give.

Shortly after the draft, Mike McCarthy basically told his players that he was in charge of this team, not Favre, and that it was critical to rally around Rodgers. Then Rodgers began inviting players to his home. To McCarthy, the off-season is absolutely crucial, and with his entire being he anointed Rodgers.

No matter what Favre might have tried after March 6, he couldn't have turned the tide.

When Favre made overtures in late March about a return, the Packers felt compelled to go meet with him even though in reality they had little or no interest.In late June, when Favre phoned McCarthy to tell him he might play, the Packers probably were dying inside.

And then came the last month, with Favre formally asking for his release, finally submitting his letter for reinstatement and then flying to Green Bay on Sunday night.

The Packers blame themselves for making some communication gaffes along the way, which they did. They gave away their motives by announcing plans far too early to retire Favre's jersey and to send him his locker. Ted Thompson hid behind too many no-comments.

But when the endgame is to remove a legend, there is no smooth way of doing it.

Favre went on to risk his future as a heroic figure in the state for perpetuity by his actions last month. All but calling Thompson a liar. Revealing intimate details of conversations with Thompson and McCarthy. Selling out offensive line coach James Campen after he went out of his way to help his old pal.

During one interview, Favre criticized Thompson for not interviewing his buddy, Steve Mariucci, for the job that went to McCarthy. After the horrendous job that Mariucci did in Detroit, Thompson would have been roasted for even considering Mariucci, let alone hiring him.

Those were just a few examples of Favre operating almost in a delusional state, hearing only what he wanted to hear and acting as if he was larger than the team.

Some would say, in fact some are saying, that the Packers would be nothing and will be nothing without Favre.

Nevertheless, this was the proper time to determine if that's true by going with one of several young men over one old man. McCarthy's expertise is in quarterback play. His future, as well as Thompson's, will hinge on developing the three quarterbacks on the roster. Failing that, they must quickly find another one who can play.

Last winter, the Packers began talks with Favre about giving him at least $20 million over 10 years in exchange for shaking some hands and making a few appearances. How can a $20 million golden parachute be construed as bribery?

It was a creative step by the organization to present Favre with an honorable go-away present, but in the end became just another decision that poisoned Favre's attitude toward the club.

Against this wholly expected backdrop of ugliness, the Packers will try to get something for Favre in trade. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been interested all along, but is Favre?

If Tampa Bay stays with Jeff Garcia, the Packers might well follow up on the feeler that they sent out Friday to the Minnesota Vikings.

As for Rodgers, he needs to shape up. After a promising first three days, he had relatively bad practices Friday, Saturday and Monday sandwiched around a subpar scrimmage Sunday.

Yes, it has been an untenable situation for Rodgers. OK, so what? Now it's time for Rodgers to start performing at the level that McCarthy keeps saying that he will. There's little else but McCarthy's track record to vouch for Rodgers at this point.

Speculation that the Packers might make it an open competition between Rodgers and Favre was a farce. The club floated that idea to promote trade value as well as to placate players, fans and coaches in the unlikely event that Favre got on the practice field.

If the job had been opened to Favre, it would have meant just one thing: McCarthy had lost faith in Rodgers after the first week.

The Packers, just like every other team in the NFC North, hope to win by rushing the ball and playing defense this season.

One week after the Giants loss, it was written here that Thompson's off-season agenda contained three major items: what to do about Favre, defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and the zone run game.

Green Bay made its preferred change on the first item, remaining status quo on the other two. Sanders and the run game had better be dynamic because the quarterbacking probably won't be nearly as good as it was in 2007, when an all-time great had a very good year.

The Packers went with the odds saying Favre never would play that well again. Now they need Rodgers to pull his weight for what has the makings almost everywhere else of being another top team.

 
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If all of this is true...and yes, its a big if as it is according to some unnamed sources...then I don't see anything Ted could have done outside of going down and blowing Brett himself to beg him to come back.
January 21st TT-"Brett that was a tough loss yesterday to the Giants but we want you back next year and take your time with your decision to return. We will welcome you with open arms next year"Brett-"Thanks and I appreciate that"A few more follow up conversations like that in February and Brett would have been back. That didn't happen because TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK!!! Why do the TT supporters try and ignore this key component to this mess?
Umm...so he should have just let Brett take all the time in the world.What if Brett then decides in July that he is not coming back?Ted did let him have his time to think about it...but then asked him for a decision. Ted stepped back and let Favre think on his own. He let McCarthy talk to him...which he did weekly IIRC.The way you make it sound goes against what his family was saying...that they don't think Ted did enough to convince him.Again...I don't think it is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. Because McCarthy did talk to him and communicate with him and let him know he was wanted all spring.Why do you ignore that?Why do you ignore that his family has said they did not like how Ted did not talk to him as much this offseason...that he did not make enough moves for Brett?Why do you ignore that you cannot just let the guy have all the time in the world when you have to prepare a football team.There is not much of a real NFL offseason anymore. Teams are preparing nearly all year long now.
Umm....Why do you ignore all the reports coming out that TT and McCarthy made the decision to move on without Favre before he even announced his retirement?
I don't. That does not mean they would not have let him back...by nearly every account they were ready to have him back had he not retired...they were ready to have him back not long after he retired.By several other accounts they were ready to have him back several other times this offseason...until the last time.Saying they want to move on...and actually showing they were doing it are two different things.
That is just delusional thinking coming from a blind TT supporter. I'm done.
 
I think you need to read between the lines here a bit. It's been obvious from the beginning that the Packers do not want a competition. TT was quoted as saying that a week or so again in one of his only interviews about this situation, remember? So my opinion is that it was made clear to him that there would be no real competition and instead of saying that, he's saying that he understands and using the "tough on Aaron" angle to make that clear.

But let me ask you: After all that we've read and all the quotes from TT, you think that in the last day or so the Packers suddenly decided that they would have a fair and open competition for QB and Favre then suddenly said no, that's not fair to Aaron? I don't think that's very likely. I think it's clear that from the start they have not wanted him on the team at all this year (possibly for good reason) and everything that the Packers have done since June is an attempt to keep him off the team.
Nope...I don't remember...care to post a single quote from TT saying there would be no open competition after Favre was reinstated...even before that...what apparently brought him to GB was the thought that there would be one. Remember?I don't think you have "all these quotes from TT". That is the problem. You think you do...but he simply does not say it quite like you are claiming.

I think they did not want him back because he waffled so many times...because they have tried to move on...because they were not sure he was really committed to this team...and they still question that.

I also think its clear Favre may not have wanted to be on this team anymore either. Between the April rumors of Cook shopping him, to phone calls with Childress, to asking for his release, to creating as much drama and distraction as possible...
Once again, if you can't read between the lines, I can't help you. TT was asked about an open competition and said that they have moved on and it was too late for that. I'm sure that I was not the only one to see those quotes. But please, keep trying to convince people of your argument here by clinging to the fact that the quote is not exactly what you require it to be. You're doing a great job. :bag:
Then you should be able to easily find that quote.And again...apparently, something did change...because part of what was said to have brought him to GB was an agreement that he would be allowed to compete...this is backed up by Favre admitting McCarthy asked him if he was ok with an open competition. And while Brett was ok with it...he did not think it would be right. So in the end...it was Brett that put an end to any competition...not Ted Thompson.

Im clinging to the fact that Favre specifically mentions McCarthy talking about an open competition and that Brett himself was the one who put an end to it...and he never said McCarthy did.
Brett didn't think it would be right because after his lenghty meetings with McCarthy he finally got the message that they didn't want him back and it was time for the Packers to move on without Favre. Did you read the article posted here that the Packers admitted they were not serious about having an open competition and did that to help with Favre's trade value?
you mean an article that was all speculation? Yes...I read it.I love how that is proof to some of you but Brett's own words about the meeting mean nothing.
Where do you see Rodgers rating after this season and where do you think Favre would have rated as asked in this thread http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=410932 J

 
Sho nuff....I know this was posted earlier today but please read this without your TT blinders on. We all know Favre didn't handle himself well in many situations in this mess but this all boils down to one simple concept. The Packers didn't want Favre to return and they think that they are better off with Rodgers than Favre.

It’s time to go

Packers finally tell Favre that he’s not wanted

Posted: Aug. 5, 2008

Bob McGinn

E-MAIL

Green Bay - Several times over the years, Brett Favre would ponder his future in football and tell people that he would play "until the Packers don't want me anymore."

Underneath all the twists and turns, sources and stories, interviews and indignities, was one salient fact that never changed:

Favre wasn't wanted in Green Bay.]It took Favre almost seven months to figure it out, but figure it out he finally did Tuesday when Mike McCarthy at last gave it to him straight.

Then Favre drove out of Lambeau Field, in all probability never to wear the No. 4 jersey again that was front and center in one of the most amazing reclamation projects in National Football League history.

Parting company with any legendary athlete is next to impossible, but one with apparent usefulness is impossible. The Packers found themselves caught in a public-relations vice, trying to distance themselves from an all-time great who just wouldn't go away.

From a purely football perspective, the organizational shift against Favre began that November night in Dallas, gained steam in the arctic cold of Soldier Field and became a blaze during Favre's pathetic second-half showing against the New York Giants with a Super Bowl there for the taking.

Just about everyone who counted in the football department reached the conclusion that Favre could never win another championship. His dismal playoff record in the past decade couldn't be overlooked. And the Packers concluded that it would be the mother of all mistakes if Aaron Rodgers got away without being properly evaluated as a starter.

Favre had one chance, and one chance only, to salvage his career in Green Bay. He had to commit wholeheartedly for another season by early March.

One could argue that the Packers erred by asking Favre for an answer that early. But having been hung out to dry by Favre too often in the past, they were in no mood for drama. Their days of mollycoddling were over.

The Packers would have taken back Favre as the starter, albeit reluctantly, if he had acted like any other player and not some diva. That is, show up for work in late March, practice until mid-June and be in exceptional condition by July 28.

That's never too much to expect.

Once Favre tearfully retired, the die was cast. The singular comment made by Favre on March 6 that remains etched indelibly was his admission that he really didn't want the ball in the clutch anymore.

After that, the Packers cut the cord, and rightly so. Favre had come across to most as an emotionally spent 38-year-old with nothing left athletically that he cared to give.

Shortly after the draft, Mike McCarthy basically told his players that he was in charge of this team, not Favre, and that it was critical to rally around Rodgers. Then Rodgers began inviting players to his home. To McCarthy, the off-season is absolutely crucial, and with his entire being he anointed Rodgers.

No matter what Favre might have tried after March 6, he couldn't have turned the tide.

When Favre made overtures in late March about a return, the Packers felt compelled to go meet with him even though in reality they had little or no interest.In late June, when Favre phoned McCarthy to tell him he might play, the Packers probably were dying inside.

And then came the last month, with Favre formally asking for his release, finally submitting his letter for reinstatement and then flying to Green Bay on Sunday night.

The Packers blame themselves for making some communication gaffes along the way, which they did. They gave away their motives by announcing plans far too early to retire Favre's jersey and to send him his locker. Ted Thompson hid behind too many no-comments.

But when the endgame is to remove a legend, there is no smooth way of doing it.

b]Favre went on to risk his future as a heroic figure in the state for perpetuity by his actions last month. All but calling Thompson a liar. Revealing intimate details of conversations with Thompson and McCarthy. Selling out offensive line coach James Campen after he went out of his way to help his old pal.

During one interview, Favre criticized Thompson for not interviewing his buddy, Steve Mariucci, for the job that went to McCarthy. After the horrendous job that Mariucci did in Detroit, Thompson would have been roasted for even considering Mariucci, let alone hiring him.

Those were just a few examples of Favre operating almost in a delusional state, hearing only what he wanted to hear and acting as if he was larger than the team.

Some would say, in fact some are saying, that the Packers would be nothing and will be nothing without Favre.

Nevertheless, this was the proper time to determine if that's true by going with one of several young men over one old man. McCarthy's expertise is in quarterback play. His future, as well as Thompson's, will hinge on developing the three quarterbacks on the roster. Failing that, they must quickly find another one who can play.

Last winter, the Packers began talks with Favre about giving him at least $20 million over 10 years in exchange for shaking some hands and making a few appearances. How can a $20 million golden parachute be construed as bribery?

It was a creative step by the organization to present Favre with an honorable go-away present, but in the end became just another decision that poisoned Favre's attitude toward the club.

Against this wholly expected backdrop of ugliness, the Packers will try to get something for Favre in trade. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been interested all along, but is Favre?

If Tampa Bay stays with Jeff Garcia, the Packers might well follow up on the feeler that they sent out Friday to the Minnesota Vikings.

As for Rodgers, he needs to shape up. After a promising first three days, he had relatively bad practices Friday, Saturday and Monday sandwiched around a subpar scrimmage Sunday.

Yes, it has been an untenable situation for Rodgers. OK, so what? Now it's time for Rodgers to start performing at the level that McCarthy keeps saying that he will. There's little else but McCarthy's track record to vouch for Rodgers at this point.

Speculation that the Packers might make it an open competition between Rodgers and Favre was a farce. The club floated that idea to promote trade value as well as to placate players, fans and coaches in the unlikely event that Favre got on the practice field.

If the job had been opened to Favre, it would have meant just one thing: McCarthy had lost faith in Rodgers after the first week.

The Packers, just like every other team in the NFC North, hope to win by rushing the ball and playing defense this season.

One week after the Giants loss, it was written here that Thompson's off-season agenda contained three major items: what to do about Favre, defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and the zone run game.

Green Bay made its preferred change on the first item, remaining status quo on the other two. Sanders and the run game had better be dynamic because the quarterbacking probably won't be nearly as good as it was in 2007, when an all-time great had a very good year.

The Packers went with the odds saying Favre never would play that well again. Now they need Rodgers to pull his weight for what has the makings almost everywhere else of being another top team.
I read it...and removed your bold and added my own.As for the farce...that is journalistic opinion...nothing more at this point.

Though...much of that article is.

And I thought it was one of the best articles written on this topic...and I have not been a huge McGinn fan in the past.

It shows that it was not all just Thompson and the Packer's fault...that Favre shares a huge responsibility in this.

 
If the Packers said "Favre was not wanted", or "there will not be an open competition", I'd like to see the direct quotes from Thompson or McCarthy. I don't mean the opinions or interpretations from the media, I mean direct quotes. And I don't mean after the meeting when McCarthy knew that Favre did not want to play for the Packers. I mean before that.

I have not seen one as of this post.

Edit to add...after he was reinstated.

 
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sho nuff said:
If all of this is true...and yes, its a big if as it is according to some unnamed sources...then I don't see anything Ted could have done outside of going down and blowing Brett himself to beg him to come back.
January 21st TT-"Brett that was a tough loss yesterday to the Giants but we want you back next year and take your time with your decision to return. We will welcome you with open arms next year"Brett-"Thanks and I appreciate that"A few more follow up conversations like that in February and Brett would have been back. That didn't happen because TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK!!! Why do the TT supporters try and ignore this key component to this mess?
Umm...so he should have just let Brett take all the time in the world.What if Brett then decides in July that he is not coming back?Ted did let him have his time to think about it...but then asked him for a decision. Ted stepped back and let Favre think on his own. He let McCarthy talk to him...which he did weekly IIRC.The way you make it sound goes against what his family was saying...that they don't think Ted did enough to convince him.Again...I don't think it is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. Because McCarthy did talk to him and communicate with him and let him know he was wanted all spring.Why do you ignore that?Why do you ignore that his family has said they did not like how Ted did not talk to him as much this offseason...that he did not make enough moves for Brett?Why do you ignore that you cannot just let the guy have all the time in the world when you have to prepare a football team.There is not much of a real NFL offseason anymore. Teams are preparing nearly all year long now.
Umm....Why do you ignore all the reports coming out that TT and McCarthy made the decision to move on without Favre before he even announced his retirement?
I don't. That does not mean they would not have let him back...by nearly every account they were ready to have him back had he not retired...they were ready to have him back not long after he retired.By several other accounts they were ready to have him back several other times this offseason...until the last time.Saying they want to move on...and actually showing they were doing it are two different things.
That is just delusional thinking coming from a blind TT supporter. I'm done.
Then call Jay Glazer and his sources delusional.They seemed to know and have seen the documentation of the press release announcing he was coming back in March...as well as documentation that they were sending a plane for him.
 
Where do you see Rodgers rating after this season and where do you think Favre would have rated as asked in this thread http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=410932

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I voted...Good for Favre...average for Rodgers.What does that have to do with this? IMO...that is still thinking in the short term and ignoring the long term.

Do you think Favre was staying more than a year? Would they have to deal with this kind of thing again next year?

What does that do for them as a franchise? What does it do for the development of Rodgers, Brohm...and so on?

 
Umm...what stuff was not true? You have some evidence of their lies?
Tampering by Minnesota allegations were proven to be false.
That makes the allegation a lie?Come on...that is a reach there.
"An allegation is a statement of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims it will prove."They claimed something happened and it clearly did not.

Fortunately, not everyone takes the Packers' words as gospel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegationI don't think you understand the meaning of the word allegation.

They knew it was not going to be easy to prove...but because there was contact (that neither party denies) they had to go forward with it.

And this is not one of the "lies" Brett is referring to...and I was getting at...now...show me some lie they made about Brett and this situation with some proof other than Brett's words.

Got any? I doubt it.
Read the words I bolded again. You typed them, you should be able to understand them.
Yes...in a response to "Favre gets especially bent when the FO says things that aren't true."Notice Favre does not mention the tampering allegation in this when discussing things they said that are not true.

It was an allegation...that it was ruled not to have happened...does not make it not true...it means it was not proven enough to Goodell.

Do you think he and Childress were just discussing where the good places to eat in Minny were? Or where he could pick up some wranglers?

Like I said...bringing up the tampering as a lie is a reach.
Favre doesn't have a Packer issued cell phone, and it may have not been the Packers FO who started that rumor, he does claim he asked them to step up and clear that up, and they told him they thought it had already been handled. So while that isn't a lie, it is unscrupulous behavior combined with the false allegations in the first place.The allegations of tampering are false as no evidence was found to prove it.

 
sho nuff said:
If all of this is true...and yes, its a big if as it is according to some unnamed sources...then I don't see anything Ted could have done outside of going down and blowing Brett himself to beg him to come back.
January 21st TT-"Brett that was a tough loss yesterday to the Giants but we want you back next year and take your time with your decision to return. We will welcome you with open arms next year"Brett-"Thanks and I appreciate that"A few more follow up conversations like that in February and Brett would have been back. That didn't happen because TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK!!! Why do the TT supporters try and ignore this key component to this mess?
Umm...so he should have just let Brett take all the time in the world.What if Brett then decides in July that he is not coming back?Ted did let him have his time to think about it...but then asked him for a decision. Ted stepped back and let Favre think on his own. He let McCarthy talk to him...which he did weekly IIRC.The way you make it sound goes against what his family was saying...that they don't think Ted did enough to convince him.Again...I don't think it is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. Because McCarthy did talk to him and communicate with him and let him know he was wanted all spring.Why do you ignore that?Why do you ignore that his family has said they did not like how Ted did not talk to him as much this offseason...that he did not make enough moves for Brett?Why do you ignore that you cannot just let the guy have all the time in the world when you have to prepare a football team.There is not much of a real NFL offseason anymore. Teams are preparing nearly all year long now.
Umm....Why do you ignore all the reports coming out that TT and McCarthy made the decision to move on without Favre before he even announced his retirement?
I don't. That does not mean they would not have let him back...by nearly every account they were ready to have him back had he not retired...they were ready to have him back not long after he retired.By several other accounts they were ready to have him back several other times this offseason...until the last time.Saying they want to move on...and actually showing they were doing it are two different things.
That is just delusional thinking coming from a blind TT supporter. I'm done.
:moneybag: Given up on him too.
 
Sho nuff....I know this was posted earlier today but please read this without your TT blinders on. We all know Favre didn't handle himself well in many situations in this mess but this all boils down to one simple concept. The Packers didn't want Favre to return and they think that they are better off with Rodgers than Favre.

It’s time to go

Packers finally tell Favre that he’s not wanted

Posted: Aug. 5, 2008

Bob McGinn

E-MAIL

Green Bay - Several times over the years, Brett Favre would ponder his future in football and tell people that he would play "until the Packers don't want me anymore."

Underneath all the twists and turns, sources and stories, interviews and indignities, was one salient fact that never changed:

Favre wasn't wanted in Green Bay.]It took Favre almost seven months to figure it out, but figure it out he finally did Tuesday when Mike McCarthy at last gave it to him straight.

Then Favre drove out of Lambeau Field, in all probability never to wear the No. 4 jersey again that was front and center in one of the most amazing reclamation projects in National Football League history.

Parting company with any legendary athlete is next to impossible, but one with apparent usefulness is impossible. The Packers found themselves caught in a public-relations vice, trying to distance themselves from an all-time great who just wouldn't go away.

From a purely football perspective, the organizational shift against Favre began that November night in Dallas, gained steam in the arctic cold of Soldier Field and became a blaze during Favre's pathetic second-half showing against the New York Giants with a Super Bowl there for the taking.

Just about everyone who counted in the football department reached the conclusion that Favre could never win another championship. His dismal playoff record in the past decade couldn't be overlooked. And the Packers concluded that it would be the mother of all mistakes if Aaron Rodgers got away without being properly evaluated as a starter.

Favre had one chance, and one chance only, to salvage his career in Green Bay. He had to commit wholeheartedly for another season by early March.

One could argue that the Packers erred by asking Favre for an answer that early. But having been hung out to dry by Favre too often in the past, they were in no mood for drama. Their days of mollycoddling were over.

The Packers would have taken back Favre as the starter, albeit reluctantly, if he had acted like any other player and not some diva. That is, show up for work in late March, practice until mid-June and be in exceptional condition by July 28.

That's never too much to expect.

Once Favre tearfully retired, the die was cast. The singular comment made by Favre on March 6 that remains etched indelibly was his admission that he really didn't want the ball in the clutch anymore.

After that, the Packers cut the cord, and rightly so. Favre had come across to most as an emotionally spent 38-year-old with nothing left athletically that he cared to give.

Shortly after the draft, Mike McCarthy basically told his players that he was in charge of this team, not Favre, and that it was critical to rally around Rodgers. Then Rodgers began inviting players to his home. To McCarthy, the off-season is absolutely crucial, and with his entire being he anointed Rodgers.

No matter what Favre might have tried after March 6, he couldn't have turned the tide.

When Favre made overtures in late March about a return, the Packers felt compelled to go meet with him even though in reality they had little or no interest.In late June, when Favre phoned McCarthy to tell him he might play, the Packers probably were dying inside.

And then came the last month, with Favre formally asking for his release, finally submitting his letter for reinstatement and then flying to Green Bay on Sunday night.

The Packers blame themselves for making some communication gaffes along the way, which they did. They gave away their motives by announcing plans far too early to retire Favre's jersey and to send him his locker. Ted Thompson hid behind too many no-comments.

But when the endgame is to remove a legend, there is no smooth way of doing it.

b]Favre went on to risk his future as a heroic figure in the state for perpetuity by his actions last month. All but calling Thompson a liar. Revealing intimate details of conversations with Thompson and McCarthy. Selling out offensive line coach James Campen after he went out of his way to help his old pal.

During one interview, Favre criticized Thompson for not interviewing his buddy, Steve Mariucci, for the job that went to McCarthy. After the horrendous job that Mariucci did in Detroit, Thompson would have been roasted for even considering Mariucci, let alone hiring him.

Those were just a few examples of Favre operating almost in a delusional state, hearing only what he wanted to hear and acting as if he was larger than the team.

Some would say, in fact some are saying, that the Packers would be nothing and will be nothing without Favre.

Nevertheless, this was the proper time to determine if that's true by going with one of several young men over one old man. McCarthy's expertise is in quarterback play. His future, as well as Thompson's, will hinge on developing the three quarterbacks on the roster. Failing that, they must quickly find another one who can play.

Last winter, the Packers began talks with Favre about giving him at least $20 million over 10 years in exchange for shaking some hands and making a few appearances. How can a $20 million golden parachute be construed as bribery?

It was a creative step by the organization to present Favre with an honorable go-away present, but in the end became just another decision that poisoned Favre's attitude toward the club.

Against this wholly expected backdrop of ugliness, the Packers will try to get something for Favre in trade. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been interested all along, but is Favre?

If Tampa Bay stays with Jeff Garcia, the Packers might well follow up on the feeler that they sent out Friday to the Minnesota Vikings.

As for Rodgers, he needs to shape up. After a promising first three days, he had relatively bad practices Friday, Saturday and Monday sandwiched around a subpar scrimmage Sunday.

Yes, it has been an untenable situation for Rodgers. OK, so what? Now it's time for Rodgers to start performing at the level that McCarthy keeps saying that he will. There's little else but McCarthy's track record to vouch for Rodgers at this point.

Speculation that the Packers might make it an open competition between Rodgers and Favre was a farce. The club floated that idea to promote trade value as well as to placate players, fans and coaches in the unlikely event that Favre got on the practice field.

If the job had been opened to Favre, it would have meant just one thing: McCarthy had lost faith in Rodgers after the first week.

The Packers, just like every other team in the NFC North, hope to win by rushing the ball and playing defense this season.

One week after the Giants loss, it was written here that Thompson's off-season agenda contained three major items: what to do about Favre, defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and the zone run game.

Green Bay made its preferred change on the first item, remaining status quo on the other two. Sanders and the run game had better be dynamic because the quarterbacking probably won't be nearly as good as it was in 2007, when an all-time great had a very good year.

The Packers went with the odds saying Favre never would play that well again. Now they need Rodgers to pull his weight for what has the makings almost everywhere else of being another top team.
I read it...and removed your bold and added my own.As for the farce...that is journalistic opinion...nothing more at this point.

Though...much of that article is.

And I thought it was one of the best articles written on this topic...and I have not been a huge McGinn fan in the past.

It shows that it was not all just Thompson and the Packer's fault...that Favre shares a huge responsibility in this.
The parts you bolded show reasons why the Packers were ready to move on without Favre and that decision was made soon after the season. You can't seem to deal with the simple fact that TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE back. Why is that so hard for you to accept in your blind support of TT? Is it because you are worried this will blow up in their faces? Is it because they ran out of town one of the best QBs to play the game not to mention the biggest football legend in Green Bay?
 
sho nuff said:
If all of this is true...and yes, its a big if as it is according to some unnamed sources...then I don't see anything Ted could have done outside of going down and blowing Brett himself to beg him to come back.
January 21st TT-"Brett that was a tough loss yesterday to the Giants but we want you back next year and take your time with your decision to return. We will welcome you with open arms next year"Brett-"Thanks and I appreciate that"A few more follow up conversations like that in February and Brett would have been back. That didn't happen because TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK!!! Why do the TT supporters try and ignore this key component to this mess?
Umm...so he should have just let Brett take all the time in the world.What if Brett then decides in July that he is not coming back?Ted did let him have his time to think about it...but then asked him for a decision. Ted stepped back and let Favre think on his own. He let McCarthy talk to him...which he did weekly IIRC.The way you make it sound goes against what his family was saying...that they don't think Ted did enough to convince him.Again...I don't think it is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. Because McCarthy did talk to him and communicate with him and let him know he was wanted all spring.Why do you ignore that?Why do you ignore that his family has said they did not like how Ted did not talk to him as much this offseason...that he did not make enough moves for Brett?Why do you ignore that you cannot just let the guy have all the time in the world when you have to prepare a football team.There is not much of a real NFL offseason anymore. Teams are preparing nearly all year long now.
Umm....Why do you ignore all the reports coming out that TT and McCarthy made the decision to move on without Favre before he even announced his retirement?
I don't. That does not mean they would not have let him back...by nearly every account they were ready to have him back had he not retired...they were ready to have him back not long after he retired.By several other accounts they were ready to have him back several other times this offseason...until the last time.Saying they want to move on...and actually showing they were doing it are two different things.
That is just delusional thinking coming from a blind TT supporter. I'm done.
:moneybag: Given up on him too.
I added one more reply because I had to ask a few more questions. I hope this works out for TT and McCarthy but I stand by my prediction that this will cost them their jobs.Ok...that's it. :thumbup:
 
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If the Packers said "Favre was not wanted", or "there will not be an open competition", I'd like to see the direct quotes from Thompson or McCarthy. I don't mean the opinions or interpretations from the media, I mean direct quotes. And I don't mean after the meeting when McCarthy knew that Favre did not want to play for the Packers. I mean before that. I have not seen one as of this post.Edit to add...after he was reinstated.
Glad you got that edit in. TT clearly (to us normal people) stated that in an interview before the reinstatement. Since then, I haven't seen anything.
 
Umm...what stuff was not true? You have some evidence of their lies?
Tampering by Minnesota allegations were proven to be false.
That makes the allegation a lie?Come on...that is a reach there.
"An allegation is a statement of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims it will prove."They claimed something happened and it clearly did not.

Fortunately, not everyone takes the Packers' words as gospel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegationI don't think you understand the meaning of the word allegation.

They knew it was not going to be easy to prove...but because there was contact (that neither party denies) they had to go forward with it.

And this is not one of the "lies" Brett is referring to...and I was getting at...now...show me some lie they made about Brett and this situation with some proof other than Brett's words.

Got any? I doubt it.
Read the words I bolded again. You typed them, you should be able to understand them.
Yes...in a response to "Favre gets especially bent when the FO says things that aren't true."Notice Favre does not mention the tampering allegation in this when discussing things they said that are not true.

It was an allegation...that it was ruled not to have happened...does not make it not true...it means it was not proven enough to Goodell.

Do you think he and Childress were just discussing where the good places to eat in Minny were? Or where he could pick up some wranglers?

Like I said...bringing up the tampering as a lie is a reach.
Favre doesn't have a Packer issued cell phone, and it may have not been the Packers FO who started that rumor, he does claim he asked them to step up and clear that up, and they told him they thought it had already been handled. So while that isn't a lie, it is unscrupulous behavior combined with the false allegations in the first place.The allegations of tampering are false as no evidence was found to prove it.
So...you bring up something you say may not have been the Packers FO who started it...as proof of a lie from the Packers FO?That is more of a reach than the tampering things.

and no...the tampering allegations were not proven false.

Just like when someone is found not guilty...they are not saying he for sure did not do it...just that they did not have enough evidence to say they for sure did it.

 
Sho nuff....I know this was posted earlier today but please read this without your TT blinders on. We all know Favre didn't handle himself well in many situations in this mess but this all boils down to one simple concept. The Packers didn't want Favre to return and they think that they are better off with Rodgers than Favre.

It’s time to go

Packers finally tell Favre that he’s not wanted

Posted: Aug. 5, 2008

Bob McGinn

E-MAIL

Green Bay - Several times over the years, Brett Favre would ponder his future in football and tell people that he would play "until the Packers don't want me anymore."

Underneath all the twists and turns, sources and stories, interviews and indignities, was one salient fact that never changed:

Favre wasn't wanted in Green Bay.]It took Favre almost seven months to figure it out, but figure it out he finally did Tuesday when Mike McCarthy at last gave it to him straight.

Then Favre drove out of Lambeau Field, in all probability never to wear the No. 4 jersey again that was front and center in one of the most amazing reclamation projects in National Football League history.

Parting company with any legendary athlete is next to impossible, but one with apparent usefulness is impossible. The Packers found themselves caught in a public-relations vice, trying to distance themselves from an all-time great who just wouldn't go away.

From a purely football perspective, the organizational shift against Favre began that November night in Dallas, gained steam in the arctic cold of Soldier Field and became a blaze during Favre's pathetic second-half showing against the New York Giants with a Super Bowl there for the taking.

Just about everyone who counted in the football department reached the conclusion that Favre could never win another championship. His dismal playoff record in the past decade couldn't be overlooked. And the Packers concluded that it would be the mother of all mistakes if Aaron Rodgers got away without being properly evaluated as a starter.

Favre had one chance, and one chance only, to salvage his career in Green Bay. He had to commit wholeheartedly for another season by early March.

One could argue that the Packers erred by asking Favre for an answer that early. But having been hung out to dry by Favre too often in the past, they were in no mood for drama. Their days of mollycoddling were over.

The Packers would have taken back Favre as the starter, albeit reluctantly, if he had acted like any other player and not some diva. That is, show up for work in late March, practice until mid-June and be in exceptional condition by July 28.

That's never too much to expect.

Once Favre tearfully retired, the die was cast. The singular comment made by Favre on March 6 that remains etched indelibly was his admission that he really didn't want the ball in the clutch anymore.

After that, the Packers cut the cord, and rightly so. Favre had come across to most as an emotionally spent 38-year-old with nothing left athletically that he cared to give.

Shortly after the draft, Mike McCarthy basically told his players that he was in charge of this team, not Favre, and that it was critical to rally around Rodgers. Then Rodgers began inviting players to his home. To McCarthy, the off-season is absolutely crucial, and with his entire being he anointed Rodgers.

No matter what Favre might have tried after March 6, he couldn't have turned the tide.

When Favre made overtures in late March about a return, the Packers felt compelled to go meet with him even though in reality they had little or no interest.In late June, when Favre phoned McCarthy to tell him he might play, the Packers probably were dying inside.

And then came the last month, with Favre formally asking for his release, finally submitting his letter for reinstatement and then flying to Green Bay on Sunday night.

The Packers blame themselves for making some communication gaffes along the way, which they did. They gave away their motives by announcing plans far too early to retire Favre's jersey and to send him his locker. Ted Thompson hid behind too many no-comments.

But when the endgame is to remove a legend, there is no smooth way of doing it.

b]Favre went on to risk his future as a heroic figure in the state for perpetuity by his actions last month. All but calling Thompson a liar. Revealing intimate details of conversations with Thompson and McCarthy. Selling out offensive line coach James Campen after he went out of his way to help his old pal.

During one interview, Favre criticized Thompson for not interviewing his buddy, Steve Mariucci, for the job that went to McCarthy. After the horrendous job that Mariucci did in Detroit, Thompson would have been roasted for even considering Mariucci, let alone hiring him.

Those were just a few examples of Favre operating almost in a delusional state, hearing only what he wanted to hear and acting as if he was larger than the team.

Some would say, in fact some are saying, that the Packers would be nothing and will be nothing without Favre.

Nevertheless, this was the proper time to determine if that's true by going with one of several young men over one old man. McCarthy's expertise is in quarterback play. His future, as well as Thompson's, will hinge on developing the three quarterbacks on the roster. Failing that, they must quickly find another one who can play.

Last winter, the Packers began talks with Favre about giving him at least $20 million over 10 years in exchange for shaking some hands and making a few appearances. How can a $20 million golden parachute be construed as bribery?

It was a creative step by the organization to present Favre with an honorable go-away present, but in the end became just another decision that poisoned Favre's attitude toward the club.

Against this wholly expected backdrop of ugliness, the Packers will try to get something for Favre in trade. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been interested all along, but is Favre?

If Tampa Bay stays with Jeff Garcia, the Packers might well follow up on the feeler that they sent out Friday to the Minnesota Vikings.

As for Rodgers, he needs to shape up. After a promising first three days, he had relatively bad practices Friday, Saturday and Monday sandwiched around a subpar scrimmage Sunday.

Yes, it has been an untenable situation for Rodgers. OK, so what? Now it's time for Rodgers to start performing at the level that McCarthy keeps saying that he will. There's little else but McCarthy's track record to vouch for Rodgers at this point.

Speculation that the Packers might make it an open competition between Rodgers and Favre was a farce. The club floated that idea to promote trade value as well as to placate players, fans and coaches in the unlikely event that Favre got on the practice field.

If the job had been opened to Favre, it would have meant just one thing: McCarthy had lost faith in Rodgers after the first week.

The Packers, just like every other team in the NFC North, hope to win by rushing the ball and playing defense this season.

One week after the Giants loss, it was written here that Thompson's off-season agenda contained three major items: what to do about Favre, defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and the zone run game.

Green Bay made its preferred change on the first item, remaining status quo on the other two. Sanders and the run game had better be dynamic because the quarterbacking probably won't be nearly as good as it was in 2007, when an all-time great had a very good year.

The Packers went with the odds saying Favre never would play that well again. Now they need Rodgers to pull his weight for what has the makings almost everywhere else of being another top team.
I read it...and removed your bold and added my own.As for the farce...that is journalistic opinion...nothing more at this point.

Though...much of that article is.

And I thought it was one of the best articles written on this topic...and I have not been a huge McGinn fan in the past.

It shows that it was not all just Thompson and the Packer's fault...that Favre shares a huge responsibility in this.
The parts you bolded show reasons why the Packers were ready to move on without Favre and that decision was made soon after the season. You can't seem to deal with the simple fact that TT and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE back. Why is that so hard for you to accept in your blind support of TT? Is it because you are worried this will blow up in their faces? Is it because they ran out of town one of the best QBs to play the game not to mention the biggest football legend in Green Bay?
I can deal with the fact that they wanted to move on. What is not a fact is that they pushed or were not ready to bring him back then had he decided to do so.

That is not blind support...it is going on the actual facts rather than just speculation.

Nothing they did in Jan/Feb/March/April shows they would not have brought him back...in fact, by nearly every account its the exact opposite.

It already has blown up in their faces to an extent.

And no, he is not the biggest football legend in GB.

Sorry...he is nowhere above Lombardi or Lambeau...top 5 and probably top 3 for sure...but not the biggest legend in GB.

And his support in the state shows that right now.

 
If the Packers said "Favre was not wanted", or "there will not be an open competition", I'd like to see the direct quotes from Thompson or McCarthy. I don't mean the opinions or interpretations from the media, I mean direct quotes. And I don't mean after the meeting when McCarthy knew that Favre did not want to play for the Packers. I mean before that. I have not seen one as of this post.Edit to add...after he was reinstated.
Glad you got that edit in. TT clearly (to us normal people) stated that in an interview before the reinstatement. Since then, I haven't seen anything.
Thanks for admitting what I said not long ago.and to those of you who are done?Are you just tired of having your speculation disagreed with?Tired that speculation is getting trumped by Favre's own words at this point?
 
If the Packers said "Favre was not wanted", or "there will not be an open competition", I'd like to see the direct quotes from Thompson or McCarthy. I don't mean the opinions or interpretations from the media, I mean direct quotes. And I don't mean after the meeting when McCarthy knew that Favre did not want to play for the Packers. I mean before that. I have not seen one as of this post.Edit to add...after he was reinstated.
Glad you got that edit in. TT clearly (to us normal people) stated that in an interview before the reinstatement. Since then, I haven't seen anything.
Thanks for admitting what I said not long ago.and to those of you who are done?Are you just tired of having your speculation disagreed with?Tired that speculation is getting trumped by Favre's own words at this point?
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If anyone heard this on Mike and Mike this morning...and believes Glazer...but still think its all Ted's fault, they might be brain dead.He was very clear that he feels his sources are solid...that they had plenty of evidence to support their claims.This goes back to the whole timeline thing and what Favre apparently thinks is not true.Favre did, according to these sources, contact Ted and McCarthy right around the time of the owners meetings in March saying he wanted to come back. They asked him if he was willing then to help out more with Rodgers because he was the future of the team. Brett was pumped up about it and ready to go. They have it documented where they had the press release ready, the had the jet ready. This is documented somewhere. Brett called 2 days later not long before it was supposed to happen and said no, he was staying retired. They asked if he was sure, saying they had everything all ready, lets just do this. He said no.Right before the draft, he called them again, stating he wanted to come back. They again asked if he was sure, that they needed a firm committment...he waivered and said again that he thinks he might just stay retired.They said this went on several times this offseason. They would get calls from Brett that he thought he might want to come back. And each time he waffled and then said he was staying retired.That when Thompson went to visit him in May...just to talk about anything. Favre again confirmed he was staying retired.He was made aware that if Brett was not coming back, they had to move forward. He understood that.June comes and he decides he is now supposedly ready. They then got irritated saying "Brett, you cannot do this to us now, we have moved on...you had plenty of chances to do this and waivered each time" That is a paraphrase not really a direct quote. It was then that Brett got mad and said something along the lines of give me my helmet or give me my release. And it kept escalating from there.Its like the boy who cried wolf...they kept believing him and believing him and believing him...until finally they had to move on and put it behind them.If all of this is true...and yes, its a big if as it is according to some unnamed sources...then I don't see anything Ted could have done outside of going down and blowing Brett himself to beg him to come back.
If this is the true story...I am waffling my stance on this whole nightmare.They did everything in their power to leave the door open. I agree at some point an orgainization does have to "move on". If they indeed went to Aarron Rodgers in May as well as the rest of the team and commited to him I fully understand what's going on. What drives me crazy though is all the posters that can actually try to argue that Rodgers is the better choice for the team all waffling and BS aside ( Brett is being an ### we all know that). I lose football knowledge respect for posters that try to convince others that Rodgers will be the better QB and that Favre is washed up or an average QB or can't win the big one blah blah blah.Let's get this straight. Brett Favre is a much better QB now at 38 then Rodgers will ever be. That I can say without waiver.Let's see what happens.And let's hope this story just goes away already. Trade Brett, let him go and move on. If he goes to the Buc's I predict they get farther this year than the Packers will. Get Ready Green Bay fans for the Aarron Rodgers era.......the next few years will be about pain and suffering. I am a Dolphin fan so I have a ton of expereince in this department (HOF QB retiring or leaving ala Marino).
 
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