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Farve stinks....Minny should start Tavaris Jackson. (1 Viewer)
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Socrates11
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Why not? Favre is hurt, there will be no playoffs this year. The Vikes should see if T-Jax has got the game to be the starter next season. It is time.Yes, Childress is mostly to blame for Minny's problems but Farve should take some blame too (along with the defense). I think Tavarris could and would play better than Farve is playing right now.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Tar-var-is.
He is not better than Favre.
He is not better than Favre.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Who is the 3rd string QB? Whoever it is start him. The other two both stink.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
This isn't your grandpa's Farve we are talking about. Tavaris would play better than Farve would right now.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You are NOT LISTENING!!!
I believe that at this stage in their careers that is an open question.
az_prof
Footballguy
The Offensive Line stinks more than Favre. He really is still throwing pretty well, but under pressure, he tries to make a play and throws a dumb INT or fumbles. Given how bad the line pass protects, Jackson might be able to use his feet to make some plays and to avoid pressure. THis season Favre is not avoiding the pressure as well and not having Rice hurts too.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You are hurting. I understand. Hell as a Packer fan I had to live through the Bart Starr, Forest Gregg, and Linde Infante years. I know pain. Oh sure that trifecta may not match Steckle, Tice, and Chilly, but it is close.Give Jackson a week or two. Just try it. Just a taste my friend. No charge. All the other fans are doing it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Favre's 10:16 TD to INT ratio get you excited?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No. I'm just saying Jackson's not the answer to anything.I wonder what the discussion would be had the Vikes not traded Rosenfels.
gotexansgo
Footballguy
Tarvaris isnt the answer but Sage freaking Rosenfels would have been
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No. But Sage is better than Jackson. And it would have made having the conversation about pulling Favre more plausible. It's why they traded him in the first place - so it wouldn't be hanging over the team when Favre hit the inevitable bump in the road.Tarvaris isnt the answer but Sage freaking Rosenfels would have been
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Warhogs
Footballguy
I'm a Packer fan living on the MN/WI border so it's a split area for fans. I really have not watched the Vikings lately but didn't Favre throw for a career high in yards two weeks ago against a bad Cardinals team? It seems to me Favre is pressing trying to keep the Vikings in games which is creating a lot of turnovers. The little I have seen of Tarvaris does not make me believe he would perform any better.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No QB is gong to look good when two of the team's starting receivers are a choice of Bernard Berrian, Greg Lewis, and Greg Camarillo.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's exactly what's happening. They're getting zero pass rush, which exposes their already decimated secondary and causes them to get down early. Then Favre has to throw passes to the Keystone Cops wr corps, while being protected by a 2nd string (to a 2nd rate starter) center and you're totally set up for failure.
THE SNOWMAN
Footballguy
This thread is full of lol.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Except one who decides to pass to those guys instead of hand the ball to Adrian Peterson.
True, but throwing it to those guys is better than throwing it to the defenders and letting them return it for 6 points.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Hello, anyone home, are you listening, Jackson is not better then Favre, Minny has been their and done that with Jackson.eoMMan said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yes, I agree that a large part of the problem is Darrell Bevel.
He's made his share of bonehead plays, but the receivers are running terrible routes and not giving him much to work with either.The problem with the Vikings extends WAY beyond the QB position. Putting Jackson or any other guy on the roster in there is no fix at all.
Maybe he's not better than a healthy Farve, but as of right now and as of the past few weeks, Jackson is better.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's really a moot point. They're not going to win more games with Jackson than they are with Favre. The team is a disaster in many areas. The only guys playing well are the linebackers and AP. Maybe Shiancoe.
I agree that they have other problems.If they get to a point where their season is pretty much done with no shot for the playoffs (meaning about now), would you be in favor of starting Tarvaris simply for the experience and because you know Favre isn't coming back?
You can't even rate Tavaris because he hasn't had consistent work for over two years. A few plays here and there is nothing. With Tavaris, you can refocus the gameplan entirely on AD. With this, not only does it improve offensive consistency but allows the defense to play it's game with the ability of the offense to control the clock. All Tavaris has to do is escape pressure and not turn it over. You can't throw 16 picks midway through the season and expect wins and you can't expect to have a defense that dominates when you play from behind the whole game. You Tavaris hatred cannot tell me that Tavaris just sat around for two years. He's been learning the offense and if he is smart polishing his game.
And remember, Chilly had McNabb's running ability to save his ### in Philly.
And remember, Chilly had McNabb's running ability to save his ### in Philly.
Socrates11
Footballguy
The Vikes won't bench Favre because:1) It would make the owner, front office, and coaching staff look like the fools they are when they upped his salary to get him back for another year.2) They are scared many fans will stay home without the circus freak show of Favre to watch.3) If Jackson does well they look stupid. If he does awful they look stupid. It's lose-lose.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
For sake of argument, would Sidney Rice be pretty much useless with Jackson as the starter?
sports_fan
Footballguy
I'd like to see Jackson play because I think he has handled the last few years behind Favre very well. He approached the situation with the right mindset. Jackson has always had the physical tools to be a good QB but has struggled mightily with bad reads and inconsistent play in general. I think some of you are underestimating the difference learning from a guy like Farve can have on a relatively inexperienced QB.
The Vikings need to give him another shot so that they know what they have now. Who cares about how he played 2-3 years ago?
The Vikings need to give him another shot so that they know what they have now. Who cares about how he played 2-3 years ago?
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
If I am the Vikings I am hoping for a record bad enough to land Auburn QB Cam Newton if he goes pro. How sick would that offense be with AD, Newton, Rice, Harvin and Shiancoe.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
What a coincidence. Who do they play this week?
Rogi
Footballguy
The bigger question is: Who will be the starting QB (and HC) NEXT year?
As for this year, I'd say if the Vikes lose to GB this weekend, then put TJax in for the remainder of the season and see what he can do in real games (well, at least for the opponents). I'd even like to see Webb back there a few times. Let Favre go out "gracefully" and sit for injury reasons.
I'm not defending Favre because he has made some poor throws, but the TD:INT ratio is somewhat misleading, as it is for any QB. WRs are part of that equation as well. The same could be said for last year. Favre had a great TD:INT ratio but there were several dropped INTs during some of those games that could have changed this stat.
As for this year, I'd say if the Vikes lose to GB this weekend, then put TJax in for the remainder of the season and see what he can do in real games (well, at least for the opponents). I'd even like to see Webb back there a few times. Let Favre go out "gracefully" and sit for injury reasons.
I'm not defending Favre because he has made some poor throws, but the TD:INT ratio is somewhat misleading, as it is for any QB. WRs are part of that equation as well. The same could be said for last year. Favre had a great TD:INT ratio but there were several dropped INTs during some of those games that could have changed this stat.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Donovan McNabb
Rogi
Footballguy
That's my guess as well. I'll take him over TJax and a lot of other QBs and I'm sure he's not sticking around with the Redskins. I just hope he's a good fit if he does come to Minny.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Too funny. Don't know if I'm disappointed or not.
I'll change my answer to Matt Hasselbeck or Kyle Orton.
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