Farve's effect on Adrian Peterson? (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

I would say upgrade but I'm not sure. On one hand, defenses would have to respect the passing game more with Farve back there (which will open things up for AP), but you have to wonder if Childress will let Farve do too much and take away from AP's DOMINANT running.

Thoughts?

 

[Stryker]

I am on this same plane...I wonder, i think it COULD go either way?

 

[Gatorman]

I am on this same plane...I wonder, i think it COULD go either way?

Well, I think this cannot help AP, and while I still think he is the #1 pick this year, I do not think he will finish in the top 3 at RB. He still has the best chance of any RB to finish in the top 5, but I am sure that at least 3 RBs will finish higher than him (I have no idea who they will be however)

 

[Banger]

I just wrote this in the other thread....I don't know about that. I think it will help the Vikes face fewer 8-9 man fronts and help the run game even more. I don't think they are all the sudden going to become a passing team, this team is built to run and they will. Favre will help keep the chains moving by picking up 3rd downs and be a constant threat to teams willing to drop that extra guy in the box.

I think that this will help them be a better NFL team but besides the run game (which was already off the charts) I'm not sure that it will have a big fantasy impact....

 

[Michael Brown]

I think it helps move the chains more through the air, which in turn puts them in more positions to score, which means more TDs for Peterson. Also, he faced a ton of 8 man fronts last year and I think the additions of Favre and Harvin and the return of Rice will all mean more running room for Peterson. I think this is a significant upgrade for the Vikes in all facets.

 

[ookook]

More TDs.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think AP will get about the same number of touches, maybe slightly less, but you'll have a lot fewer of the short or negative yard runs followed up with a highlight run. I expect more consistency.

I also expect him to break the rushing record. No joke.

 

[Follows Closely]

More TDs.

Farve loves to throw in the red zone. I am not sure your assumption is good.

 

[boosh]

It all depends on Favre's play. If he plays like the end of last year, teams will still be lining up to stop ADP. If he plays within the offense and doesn't make those bonehead throws it should help Peterson a little bit and result in more TD opportunities. But let's face it, Favre or not teams know you have to stop ADP first and foremost.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

 

[Stryker]

More TDs.

Farve loves to throw in the red zone.

I am not sure your assumption is good.

Vishante Shiancoe and Sidney Rice

 

[Follows Closely]

A better question would be what is his effect on Sidney Rice?

 

[smackdaddies]

I think it helps move the chains more through the air, which in turn puts them in more positions to score, which means more TDs for Peterson. Also, he faced a ton of 8 man fronts last year and I think the additions of Favre and Harvin and the return of Rice will all mean more running room for Peterson. I think this is a significant upgrade for the Vikes in all facets.

MB is correct. AP went from the must take first pick in most scoring systems to the the pick that moves the rest of the teams in your FF league are now fighting for second place

 

[Tau837]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

IMO this obviously helps Peterson. In addition to the benefits already mentioned (e.g., greater threat in passing game means less 8 man fronts), there is another that hasn't been mentioned so far. As much as people like to bash Favre for interceptions, he has substantially lower interception and fumble rates than Rosenfels... there is a reason FBG has nicknamed Rosenfels Captain Turnover in the daily email updates.In addition to Favre possibly being able to sustain drives longer due to better ability to convert third downs, avoid third and long situations, etc., he also will likely have fewer drive ending turnovers. Longer drives means more red zone opportunities for Peterson IMO.

 

[baconisgood]

More TDs.

Farve loves to throw in the red zone.

I am not sure your assumption is good.

Vishante Shiancoe and Sidney Rice

Favre loves to throw picks in the redzone. Last year- Favre 22 TD + 22 INTs, Vikings QBs 22 TDs and 17 INTs. He has to show hes substantially better than last year for me to bump anyone on the Vikings roster up. He had one huge game last year and the other 15 games got 16 TDs, 21 INTs and 3100 yards spread out throughout them. Even if you cut out his last 5 games because of his injury (though he is old and has a huge amount of miles on his body) he ends up with 14 TDs in 10 games. That pace is for slightly over 22 TDs in a season- again what Minnesota's QBs threw last year. since I'm not banking on Farve playing a game in which his team gets 7 TOs very frequently to set up 6 TD games for him- i'm going to hold off on the excitement.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

What if Favre sucks? Not any worse than Sage?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

More TDs.

Farve loves to throw in the red zone. I am not sure your assumption is good.

Last I checked, Favre wasn't the one calling plays. So it's irrelevant whether or not he "loves to throw in the red zone". It would be more accurate to say "Holmgren, Sherman and McCarthy loved to throw in the red zone". What really matters is whether or not Childress loves to throw in the red zone.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

/thread

 

[Ripleys]

hard to think AP's TDs would go up, between Farve loving to throw TDs in the red zone, and his high INT rate over the last few seasons. I'm not a Farve hater at all, I just think he helps the overall team's success more than AP's.

 

[Maven]

Probably helps AP just because of the threat of Brett throwing.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

hard to think AP's TDs would go up, between Farve loving to throw TDs in the red zone, and his high INT rate over the last few seasons. I'm not a Farve hater at all, I just think he helps the overall team's success more than AP's.

Why does it matter what Favre likes to do?

 

[caglassc]

I think it means that the Vikings as a team have more opportunities to score and in turn that means more opportunities for all their offensive players to put up better numbers. I think this also helps the VIkings defense which was already stellar to begin with!

 

[Gopher State]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

very If Favre can make a stud out of Jones, think of what he can do for APAP is the official #1 FF pick

 

[ookook]

More TDs.

Farve loves to throw in the red zone. I am not sure your assumption is good.

Last I checked, Favre wasn't the one calling plays. So it's irrelevant whether or not he "loves to throw in the red zone". It would be more accurate to say "Holmgren, Sherman and McCarthy loved to throw in the red zone". What really matters is whether or not Childress loves to throw in the red zone.

This was my thinking exactly. But with TJ or SF, how many red zone opportunities will there be?Look at Thomas Jones increased production with Favre. Hard to imagine ADP goes down...he was 6th last year in pontss per game. I think Favre increases the chances he finishes top 3.

 

[argamath]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

Of course this helps Adrian! He will break records... or break himself trying.

 

[maccabees]

2000+ for AP if he doesn't get hurt

 

[Maven]

Favre's "perceived threat" to throw is what increases APs value.

 

[conboy]

I agree with the poster above that asked which Favre shows up. The Favre that can control the gunslinger, and work within the offense, or the Favre that decides he is the only good player on the team and just wings it all over the field.

During the initial Favre return watch, several analyst suggested that Favre has to realize that he has a great running back and a great defense, and the team needs him to play within the offense and move the chains.

If Favre can do this, the Vikings will succeed, if not, it will be a frustrating season up north.

 

[Ripleys]

with Farve there, how much do you think AP is worth in a auction league, PPR, with $100 limit? (16 roster spots)

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

with Farve there, how much do you think AP is worth in a auction league, PPR, with $100 limit? (16 roster spots)

I'd say at least $100

 

[Ripleys]

with Farve there, how much do you think AP is worth in a auction league, PPR, with $100 limit? (16 roster spots)

I'd say at least $100

You have to field 16 players with a total of $100.

 

[Phlash]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

 

[travdogg]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

Of course this helps Adrian! He will break records... or break himself trying.

Umm what? Thomas Jones didn't win the rushing title. He finished 5th. Who did win the rushing title? Adrian Peterson did. I'm not sure Favre helps or not.I don't think its a sure thing at all that Favre is better than Rosenfels. Doesn't anyone else remember when Favre was supposed to be a huge upgrade from Pennington? How'd that turn out?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

From a fantasy standpoint, the only thing AD is lacking is elite TD production. If Favre means the Vikings are in position to score more often, then it's a very good thing for AD.

That said, I'm not convinced that at this point in his career Brett Favre is any more likely to put them in position to score more often than Sage Rosenfels is.

 

[Ray_T]

Personally, I do not believe that Farve is doing anything.... but if he does, it will not affect the numbers of ADP at all.

The percentage of plays that go to him will drop, but this will be offset by the fact that there will be fewer stalled drives and he will get additional carries & Red Zone opportuinities due to this.

Farve is definitely an upgrade at QB, but not to the degree that many would have you believe. He is out of shape and rusty and is almost halfway through camp and doesnt know the playbook. His age also is working against him.

As such, his upside is limited in the first half of the season.... but he could be a good QB2 in the second half.

 

[Banger]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

which is no different than they would have played against Sage except the fact that Favre will actually be able to connect and the burn the DCs. They may be able to pick a few but they would have picked more against Sage and Sage wouldn't be able to burn them as much. After Favre hits on a few of those, which he will, the DCs are going to have to mix and match their gameplans a lot more than they would have facing Sage which is exactly why they want him to be their QB.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

which is no different than they would have played against Sage except the fact that Favre will actually be able to connect and the burn the DCs. They may be able to pick a few but they would have picked more against Sage and Sage wouldn't be able to burn them as much. After Favre hits on a few of those, which he will, the DCs are going to have to mix and match their gameplans a lot more than they would have facing Sage which is exactly why they want him to be their QB.

I'm not sure why people are struggling so much with this.

 

[Banger]

He is out of shape and rusty and is almost halfway through camp and doesnt know the playbook.

How is he going to play on Friday if he doesn't know the playbook? Why couldn't he have had the book all summer and know it down pat?Last year he went to the Jets and had to learn a completely different language in about the same amount of time and he did fine. I don't see why it would be that much different this year.

 

[jurrassic]

I don't think Favre is that big of an upgrade ability wise over Sage. Now perceptionally he might be, but I think that is more from a fan's perspective than a coach in the NFL. I don't think there are very many coaches who fear Favre, like some people would have you believe. We are talking about a 40 year qb who has almost no mobility, a detached muscle in his arm, lead the league in int's last year, is 12-11 lifetime in the playoffs, and who has always been described by opposing defenses as being a guy who "will give us chances, we just have to take them". AP already lead the league in rushing yards last year and was about 400 off the pace for most ever, which is about 25 yards more per game. How much better can the guy get? His td's could improve, but based on Favre's past, and the looks of the rolling out of the red carpet for him in Minnesota, I wouldn't be surprised if Favre audibles to pass plays on the 3 yard line.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

Of course this helps Adrian! He will break records... or break himself trying.

Umm what? Thomas Jones didn't win the rushing title. He finished 5th. Who did win the rushing title? Adrian Peterson did. I'm not sure Favre helps or not.I don't think its a sure thing at all that Favre is better than Rosenfels. Doesn't anyone else remember when Favre was supposed to be a huge upgrade from Pennington? How'd that turn out?

That's what you get for posting from a phone. Jones won the AFC rushing title. But regardless, Jones' YPC went from 3.6 in 2007 to 4.5 in 2008, he gained 193 more yards in 20 less carries and his TDs went from 1 to 13. The threat of Favre had nothing to do with that?

 

[jurrassic]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

which is no different than they would have played against Sage except the fact that Favre will actually be able to connect and the burn the DCs. They may be able to pick a few but they would have picked more against Sage and Sage wouldn't be able to burn them as much. After Favre hits on a few of those, which he will, the DCs are going to have to mix and match their gameplans a lot more than they would have facing Sage which is exactly why they want him to be their QB.

I'm not sure why people are struggling so much with this.

When did he hit on them last year? The guy lead the league in int's and 6 of his 22 td's came in 1 game. That means in the remaining 15 games he threw an average of 1 td. This DC's fearing Favre thing has gotten to fairy tale level.

 

[Banger]

I don't think Favre is that big of an upgrade ability wise over Sage. Now perceptionally he might be, but I think that is more from a fan's perspective than a coach in the NFL. I don't think there are very many coaches who fear Favre, like some people would have you believe. We are talking about a 40 year qb who has almost no mobility, a detached muscle in his arm, lead the league in int's last year, is 12-11 lifetime in the playoffs, and who has always been described by opposing defenses as being a guy who "will give us chances, we just have to take them". AP already lead the league in rushing yards last year and was about 400 off the pace for most ever, which is about 25 yards more per game. How much better can the guy get? His td's could improve, but based on Favre's past, and the looks of the rolling out of the red carpet for him in Minnesota, I wouldn't be surprised if Favre audibles to pass plays on the 3 yard line.

What has Sage ever done that leads you to believe he'll be any more successful than a guy like Derek Anderson?

 

[travdogg]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

which is no different than they would have played against Sage except the fact that Favre will actually be able to connect and the burn the DCs. They may be able to pick a few but they would have picked more against Sage and Sage wouldn't be able to burn them as much. After Favre hits on a few of those, which he will, the DCs are going to have to mix and match their gameplans a lot more than they would have facing Sage which is exactly why they want him to be their QB.

I'm not sure why people are struggling so much with this.

Because there is a good chance that it isn't true. Favre has sucked(not been good but not great, but actually sucked) in 3 of the last 4 years. In 2005 he was possibly the worst 16 game starter in the NFL, he wasn't a whole lot better in 06'. 07' was a great year, and last year was similar to 06'. The injury certainly didn't help, but take away the Arizona game and it wasn't like Favre was tearing up before the injury in NY last year either.

I very much disagree that Rosenfels would turn it over more than Favre will and I'm not sure Favre will do a better job than Sage would of beating defenses deep. Its kind of a shame that he's most known for that Colts game, because he's been one of the best backups in the league over the last 2-3 years and has earned a shot to start.

At least they'll have quality depth at QB this year.

 

[travdogg]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

Of course this helps Adrian! He will break records... or break himself trying.

Umm what? Thomas Jones didn't win the rushing title. He finished 5th. Who did win the rushing title? Adrian Peterson did. I'm not sure Favre helps or not.I don't think its a sure thing at all that Favre is better than Rosenfels. Doesn't anyone else remember when Favre was supposed to be a huge upgrade from Pennington? How'd that turn out?

That's what you get for posting from a phone. Jones won the AFC rushing title. But regardless, Jones' YPC went from 3.6 in 2007 to 4.5 in 2008, he gained 193 more yards in 20 less carries and his TDs went from 1 to 13. The threat of Favre had nothing to do with that?

I'd argue the additions of Faneca and Woody had more to do with it.

 

[jurrassic]

I don't think Favre is that big of an upgrade ability wise over Sage. Now perceptionally he might be, but I think that is more from a fan's perspective than a coach in the NFL. I don't think there are very many coaches who fear Favre, like some people would have you believe. We are talking about a 40 year qb who has almost no mobility, a detached muscle in his arm, lead the league in int's last year, is 12-11 lifetime in the playoffs, and who has always been described by opposing defenses as being a guy who "will give us chances, we just have to take them". AP already lead the league in rushing yards last year and was about 400 off the pace for most ever, which is about 25 yards more per game. How much better can the guy get? His td's could improve, but based on Favre's past, and the looks of the rolling out of the red carpet for him in Minnesota, I wouldn't be surprised if Favre audibles to pass plays on the 3 yard line.

What has Sage ever done that leads you to believe he'll be any more successful than a guy like Derek Anderson?

Nothing, although the guy has had some good games. It is more the slide in Favre's ability than any knock on Sage.

 

[Banger]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

which is no different than they would have played against Sage except the fact that Favre will actually be able to connect and the burn the DCs. They may be able to pick a few but they would have picked more against Sage and Sage wouldn't be able to burn them as much. After Favre hits on a few of those, which he will, the DCs are going to have to mix and match their gameplans a lot more than they would have facing Sage which is exactly why they want him to be their QB.

I'm not sure why people are struggling so much with this.

When did he hit on them last year? The guy lead the league in int's and 6 of his 22 td's came in 1 game. That means in the remaining 15 games he threw an average of 1 td. This DC's fearing Favre thing has gotten to fairy tale level.

and Sage had 10 ints in 6 games which put him on a pace for 27 over a season. Sage threw 6 tds in 6 games (1 per game) to one of the best set of receiving talents in the league.

 

[Banger]

I very much disagree that Rosenfels would turn it over more than Favre will and I'm not sure Favre will do a better job than Sage would of beating defenses deep. Its kind of a shame that he's most known for that Colts game, because he's been one of the best backups in the league over the last 2-3 years and has earned a shot to start.

Sage has 30 career tds and 29 ints. What would lead you to believe he'll be better this year? He was worth a gamble as being better than TJax which is why they traded for him but that doesn't make him a good QB.

 

[zDragon]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

which is no different than they would have played against Sage except the fact that Favre will actually be able to connect and the burn the DCs. They may be able to pick a few but they would have picked more against Sage and Sage wouldn't be able to burn them as much. After Favre hits on a few of those, which he will, the DCs are going to have to mix and match their gameplans a lot more than they would have facing Sage which is exactly why they want him to be their QB.

I'm not sure why people are struggling so much with this.

When did he hit on them last year? The guy lead the league in int's and 6 of his 22 td's came in 1 game. That means in the remaining 15 games he threw an average of 1 td. This DC's fearing Favre thing has gotten to fairy tale level.

Sage played in 5 games and threw 6 TD and 10 ints and lost 2 fumbles.

 

[DAMAC3]

Thomas Jones won the rushing title last year with Favre as his QB. Just sayin

Of course this helps Adrian! He will break records... or break himself trying.

Umm what? Thomas Jones didn't win the rushing title. He finished 5th. Who did win the rushing title? Adrian Peterson did. I'm not sure Favre helps or not.I don't think its a sure thing at all that Favre is better than Rosenfels. Doesn't anyone else remember when Favre was supposed to be a huge upgrade from Pennington? How'd that turn out?

Thomas Jones was the leading rusher in the AFC, not the NFL. Big difference when you have Peterson and Turner in the NFC. What I saw last year was Peterson carrying the team down the field himself. Then, Taylor would replace him in the redzone because he was winded after producing the drive that got them there. I think Favre can help move the chains and produce a few drives of his own where Peterson might have an oppertunity to get more goalline carries because he isn't tired by the time they make it to the redzone. Even if it doesn't pan out that way I can't see this diminishing AD's value. I own him in my primary $$ keeper league, so I am a happy camper.

 

[Tau837]

Smart defensive coordinators are going to go all out trying to stuff Peterson, and let Favre lob it deep late game for the safeties to eat away at it.

which is no different than they would have played against Sage except the fact that Favre will actually be able to connect and the burn the DCs. They may be able to pick a few but they would have picked more against Sage and Sage wouldn't be able to burn them as much. After Favre hits on a few of those, which he will, the DCs are going to have to mix and match their gameplans a lot more than they would have facing Sage which is exactly why they want him to be their QB.

I'm not sure why people are struggling so much with this.