Favre: The saga continues (for Jets) (1 Viewer)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Just saw on sportscenter. That's gotta be a violation for the Jets no? Though truly I don't recall what the penalties are for filing a false report. It usually is hard to prove the report was false (except when it's Brett Favre and he changes teams ), but 5 weeks w/ torn bicep and never listed? That smells rotten.

Anyone know what sanctions are even available for this?

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/09/f...e_was_hurt.html

Brett Favre just won't go away quietly. I know some of you might not care but he said Wednesday in Minnesota that he was willing to sit late last season when an MRI revealed he had torn biceps but the Jets told him to continue to play.

The Jets finished 1-4 down the stretch and Favre threw nine interceptions and just two touchdowns over the final five games.

"Absolutely. I was receptive to (sitting) last year," Favre told reporters in Minnesota. "When we finally did an MRI and found out I had a torn biceps last year, I felt like, with about four or five games left, that even though I was making some pretty good throws and some decent plays, I felt like I was doing the team more harm because I was missing on some throws.

"Subtle, just a yard off, two yards off, maybe a tad behind. The average person watching just didn't think -- and I'm not talking about when a guy is wide open; tight fits. Maybe I wanted to back shoulder throw a guy and I ended up leading a little bit, and the ball gets tipped and gets picked or something. I talked with Brian Schottenhemier, talked to Mike Tannenbaum, and my quarterback coach who now is the coordinator for Cleveland, and addressed that with him that I thought maybe I was doing more harm than good.

"They knew I had a torn biceps, which we backed off in practice. I took cortisone shots a couple times to try to relieve the pain. I started pressing. I was real receptive to (sitting). We felt like, after talking with each one of them, that it was best to just -- we'd come this far

-- to just finish it out. I had no qualms about having Kellen play, and that probably hasn't even been addressed before because I didn't think it would need to be addressed at the end of the season, but I just didn't feel confident because of this injury. So sure, I don't want to go through that and neither do the Vikings.''

Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum was at a fundraiser and unavailabe for comment.

 

[BigGreenMachine]

I am so sick of this toolbox continually stirring the pot. Can't he just go to the old age home and disappear? I was a big fan before but he is simply embarassing himself and taking anyone down with him he can think of. Deflect...that's all he knows how to do. Nothing is ever his fault...its the Jets fault. They knew...conspiracy!!!

 

[trader jake]

Favre is a warrior but excuses are like opinions...everybody has one. The older Favre gets the more injury updates and other assorted nonsense we hear from his piehole. Can't wait for the arm updates later this season as well.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Favre is a warrior but excuses are like opinions...everybody has one. The older Favre gets the more injury updates and other assorted nonsense we hear from his piehole. Can't wait for the arm updates later this season as well.

This.You see it can't be that Favre played just played poorly. It was all the fault of an injury that few if any QBs would have even played through.

 

[harryhood]

Favre is a warrior but excuses are like opinions...everybody has one. The older Favre gets the more injury updates and other assorted nonsense we hear from his piehole. Can't wait for the arm updates later this season as well.

This.You see it can't be that Favre played just played poorly. It was all the fault of an injury that few if any QBs would have even played through.

You dont think Mangini wanted to leave it off the injury report either for those weeks? He is from the same BB mold as the rest of them.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Sorry; not getting the hate.

I definitely get the drama queen / attention ##### thing but not Favre finally acknowledging that he played through a torn bicep. It was obvious that something happened to him in the second half last year, and he hasn't whined about it previously. So now, because he's a drama queen its "evil" for him to address that issue.

Stinky bait.

 

[Reaper]

Meh. It doesn't bother me...

Again, I thoroughly enjoyed last year as a Jets fan....

That said - Do the Jets need to report anything when the guy doesn't miss a play?

Mangini is a documented head case about this stuff so, I wouldn't go looking to blame Favre here.

If the Jets sat down and said they had a better chance to win with an Injured Favre over what they had then so be it... I have alot more questions about last years collapse regarding a Defense than crawled into a shell and let mediocre QB's have all day and the overall game plans on both sides of the ball....If Favre was as beaten up as he was I'd think the defense should have turned it UP instead of turning it off and the offense should have run Leon A TON MORE!!!!!! But, Nope - It's all Favre fault

 

[War Eagle]

Sorry; not getting the hate.I definitely get the drama queen / attention ##### thing but not Favre finally acknowledging that he played through a torn bicep. It was obvious that something happened to him in the second half last year, and he hasn't whined about it previously. So now, because he's a drama queen its "evil" for him to address that issue. Stinky bait.

I don't get the hate either. Favre doesn't owe anyone squat! The man had a hard time deciding if he wanted to retire or not and it was LARGELY due to the choices he had on what team he wanted to play for. A veteran of his caliber deserves to try and play for a team of his liking! NBA players do it all the time....they get old and they try and find a team they can win a championship with. Why hate on a LEGEND!?!?!?!He kept his lips sealed last year about the injury and played through. Now folks get the truth after calling him a loser last year not knowing he's playing with a TORN BICEP and they don't like the truth?!?!?!Talk about can't win for losing.#### haters

 

[trader jake]

Sorry; not getting the hate.I definitely get the drama queen / attention ##### thing but not Favre finally acknowledging that he played through a torn bicep. It was obvious that something happened to him in the second half last year, and he hasn't whined about it previously. So now, because he's a drama queen its "evil" for him to address that issue. Stinky bait.

I don't get the hate either. Favre doesn't owe anyone squat! The man had a hard time deciding if he wanted to retire or not and it was LARGELY due to the choices he had on what team he wanted to play for. A veteran of his caliber deserves to try and play for a team of his liking! NBA players do it all the time....they get old and they try and find a team they can win a championship with. Why hate on a LEGEND!?!?!?!He kept his lips sealed last year about the injury and played through. Now folks get the truth after calling him a loser last year not knowing he's playing with a TORN BICEP and they don't like the truth?!?!?!Talk about can't win for losing.#### haters

Farve is the king of the mountain when it comes to playing through pain. No debate on that and it's the main reason he's one of the best quarterbacks of all-time.However, of late he's been quick to then blame an injury for poor play. You can't get props for playing through the pain if you also want the injury crutch if you play poorly...if you're on the field there are no excuses. Especially when Favre doesn't come clean until way after the fact and intentionally does everything in his power to avoid offseason workouts and training camp practices for the last few seasons.Lost in the shuffle of this is how badly this story paints Mangini. His preseason Quinn/Anderson QB battle just reiterates how poorly he leads a team and the quarterback position specifically. Browns fans must be as concerned about their head coach as the Jets fans are to be rid of him.

 

[BigGreenMachine]

I think most of the hate comes from the fact that I, like many others thought and to a certain extent still think Brett was an iron man. However, when you continually paint yourself as a cry-baby (I played through this, this hurts me, feel bad for me so I can look tough) it tarnishes that image. He absolutely played...can't take that away but it is in the manner that he has carried himself these last 2 seasons (the waffling in particular) makes many of his accomplishments seem just a little bit less great.

These are simply my opinions...

 

[Crippler]

Media again. You can only be asked the same question over and over again till the truth comes out. He probably receives more media attention than anyone else in the NFL and thus is under way more scrutiny IMO.

And he loves to stir the pot for them every once in a while. Kind of reminds me in my home league. I stir the pot every once in a while to keep everyone on there toes. And I have the biggest bullseye on my chest there.

 

[Reaper]

Lost in the shuffle of this is how badly this story paints Mangini. His preseason Quinn/Anderson QB battle just reiterates how poorly he leads a team and the quarterback position specifically. Browns fans must be as concerned about their head coach as the Jets fans are to be rid of him.

Bottom Line - I'd take Favre back before Mangini at this point and I was never a Mangini hater - I think he actually has a good mind for the game - it's everything else he has problems with and players admit that.There's also a story floating around Jet boards where Mangini denied a dying kid the opportunity to visit a Jets Practice because "NO ONE sees a Mangini practice"..... Guy is taking hits.

 

[War Eagle]

Media again. You can only be asked the same question over and over again till the truth comes out. He probably receives more media attention than anyone else in the NFL and thus is under way more scrutiny IMO.

BINGO BANGO BONGO! Not sure why he'd EVER be labeled a Cry Baby. That's laughable! He sat back and listened to everyone talk about how poorly he was playing, how HE costs them a playoff run, and HE was selfish by continuing to play. And all the time, he had a torn bicep and kept TAKING the critism day after day hour after hour without crying at all. Not even hinting.BUT Now we find out he was asked to play through, he was a good soldier and did that without calling out the coach and now a year later folks call him a cry baby.Some of ya'll need to get ya mind right!

 

[Aardvarks]

Favre bothers me now. 3 years ago he didn't. He's got an ego, and his aw-shucks routine is not hiding it as well anymore.

 

[TLEF316]

Another example of Mangini's wanna be Belichek 007 routine. God i hate that guy.

But yeah, Favre is making himself look worse every day. I'm sure he doesnt care (nor should he)

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Media again. You can only be asked the same question over and over again till the truth comes out. He probably receives more media attention than anyone else in the NFL and thus is under way more scrutiny IMO.

BINGO BANGO BONGO! Not sure why he'd EVER be labeled a Cry Baby. That's laughable! He sat back and listened to everyone talk about how poorly he was playing, how HE costs them a playoff run, and HE was selfish by continuing to play. And all the time, he had a torn bicep and kept TAKING the critism day after day hour after hour without crying at all. Not even hinting.BUT Now we find out he was asked to play through, he was a good soldier and did that without calling out the coach and now a year later folks call him a cry baby.Some of ya'll need to get ya mind right!

What you are missing is the history of the man. If this was the first time a mysterious injury revealed after the fact was the reason for his poor play I'd believe it myself. It honestly has become a bit of a running joke for the beat writers that followed the Packers throughout the years. Let's just say the man is fairly predictable.

 

[War Eagle]

Media again. You can only be asked the same question over and over again till the truth comes out. He probably receives more media attention than anyone else in the NFL and thus is under way more scrutiny IMO.

BINGO BANGO BONGO! Not sure why he'd EVER be labeled a Cry Baby. That's laughable! He sat back and listened to everyone talk about how poorly he was playing, how HE costs them a playoff run, and HE was selfish by continuing to play. And all the time, he had a torn bicep and kept TAKING the critism day after day hour after hour without crying at all. Not even hinting.BUT Now we find out he was asked to play through, he was a good soldier and did that without calling out the coach and now a year later folks call him a cry baby.Some of ya'll need to get ya mind right!

What you are missing is the history of the man. If this was the first time a mysterious injury revealed after the fact was the reason for his poor play I'd believe it myself. It honestly has become a bit of a running joke for the beat writers that followed the Packers throughout the years. Let's just say the man is fairly predictable.

I have never heard one thing to that point while he was in GB. He was adored there. I'd love to see some examples. Not calling you out at all, but for real, that seems like an easy thing to say after the fact.

 

[Knobs]

I am really beginning to despise this man.

But if this news ends up hurting Mangini...

 

[texasbirdfan]

I could be wrong, but it's not like Favre called a press conference to announce he is a injury whimp now and that the Jet's are bad guys for playing him. It appears to me he was questioned pointedly about the situation last year and now that he is on the Vikes roster, not retired, and not a Jet anymore, he can speak more openly about what happened last season. Give the guy a break- he never said he was that perfect- for the most part he is as humble as he can be considering his status.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I have the feeling that this sort of thing happens a lot...

 

[David Yudkin]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.

And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

 

[bostonfred]

So just to clarify, the Jets cheated, and Jets fans blame the whistleblower. Nothing inconsistent here.

 

[War Eagle]

So just to clarify, the Jets cheated, and Jets fans blame the whistleblower. Nothing inconsistent here.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I am really beginning to despise this man. But if this news ends up hurting Mangini...

The only thing that bugs me about this is it won't hurt Mangina. Just the Jets - who honestly are getting caught with their shorts down around their ankles on this one.It sucks the Mangini Karma Train just hits the Jets and he skates away.Of course, karmic retribution might be ending up in Cleveland.ps - Gawd I missed the Shark Pool. Stoopid work.

 

[War Eagle]

Hmmm

Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum admits that he erred in not listing Brett Favre on the injury report late last season when the quarterback was playing through a torn right biceps tendon.

"As general manager of this team I should've handled that differently and listed him on the report," said Tannenbaum. "We didn't because he wasn't getting treatment everyday and we knew he was going to play." The NFL is looking into the matter after Favre hinted on Wednesday that he should have been benched down the stretch last year.

Is Favre still the cry baby?

 

[stbugs]

So just to clarify, the Jets cheated, and bitter Packers fans blame the whistleblower. Nothing inconsistent here.

Fixed.I am sort of shocked at how long it took for this to come up. We heard about the injury in the off season and it was obvious that he was hurt at the end of the year. I guess it came out more now because he finally unretired so reporters have free access to him.I have never had an issue with Favre and would rather have him playing if he is better than what he replaces and could care less how many times he unretires. As with everything nowadays, we get beaten over the head with 24 hour media coverage (Obama? Bush?) and even though Favre has yet to miss a game for almost 20 years, the media is infatuated with every story and so people complain about Favre when IMHO it is the fact that ESPN has to find stories for EPSN Ocho that we hear so much crap. The season still hasn't started yet and thank god the off season is officially over in a few hours.

 

[Deadman31]

I am sure Favre would have gladly sat out the last few games

Somebody needs to hit him so hard that he has no choice but to permanently retire. I cant wait.

 

[BigGreenMachine]

I am sure Favre would have gladly sat out the last few games Somebody needs to hit him so hard that he has no choice but to permanently retire. I cant wait.

 

[fatness]

Favre already has this season's mistakes or poor performances covered with excuses: cracked rib, shoulder that might not be right, not enough time to click with receivers, etc. Now he's going back to past years to explain how injuries explained why he did poorly then.

I can't wait to find out why he fell off his bike in 5th grade.

 

[tdog]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

I just don't get it. If you are reporting on the probability that a player with an injury will play, why would you list a player who was without a doubt playing on such a list. Listing Farve as "probable" would have been wrong as he was 100% going to play. Seems odd. I guess the NFL should just admit that the injury list is out there for gamblers to make their bets and to reduce the value of inside information on injuries.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I can't wait to find out why he fell off his bike in 5th grade.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

I just don't get it. If you are reporting on the probability that a player with an injury will play, why would you list a player who was without a doubt playing on such a list. Listing Farve as "probable" would have been wrong as he was 100% going to play. Seems odd. I guess the NFL should just admit that the injury list is out there for gamblers to make their bets and to reduce the value of inside information on injuries.

At one point (don't know if its still the case) the NFL had ascribed a probability guideline: Probable - 75% likely to play, Questionable - 50% likely, Doubtful - 25% likely, Out - 0% likely. Since Favre fully practised and was much closer to 100% likely than 75% likely to play (there was never any suggestion that he might not play back in 2008) I don't really see what the fuss is.Has the NFL changed its standard such that John Doe, who has a partial tear of shoulder ligament, but is practicing and absent a new injury will play, needs to be listed as "Probable" on the injury report? Going to be a pretty long list as we get deeper into the season.

 

[Adebisi]

I thought that only the Patriots cheat?

 

[Ray_T]

Meh. It doesn't bother me...

Again, I thoroughly enjoyed last year as a Jets fan....

That said - Do the Jets need to report anything when the guy doesn't miss a play?

Mangini is a documented head case about this stuff so, I wouldn't go looking to blame Favre here.

If the Jets sat down and said they had a better chance to win with an Injured Favre over what they had then so be it... I have alot more questions about last years collapse regarding a Defense than crawled into a shell and let mediocre QB's have all day and the overall game plans on both sides of the ball....If Favre was as beaten up as he was I'd think the defense should have turned it UP instead of turning it off and the offense should have run Leon A TON MORE!!!!!! But, Nope - It's all Favre fault

I agree.a player is only to be placed on the injury report if there is a chance he does not play.

they had agreed he would play, and regardless of effectiveness, he played. I believe that is the only obligation of the team is to list the players probability of playing.

If LT gets a bruise on his thigh, but isnt expected to miss time why would they list it in the injury report?

I swear, too many people make mountains out of molehills sometimes.

 

[MCguidance]

I thought that only the Patriots cheat?

You are correct, sir.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

However, when you continually paint yourself as a cry-baby

 

[az_prof]

Sounds like the Jets cheated and should be investigated.

 

[David Yudkin]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

I just don't get it. If you are reporting on the probability that a player with an injury will play, why would you list a player who was without a doubt playing on such a list. Listing Farve as "probable" would have been wrong as he was 100% going to play. Seems odd. I guess the NFL should just admit that the injury list is out there for gamblers to make their bets and to reduce the value of inside information on injuries.

At one point (don't know if its still the case) the NFL had ascribed a probability guideline: Probable - 75% likely to play, Questionable - 50% likely, Doubtful - 25% likely, Out - 0% likely. Since Favre fully practised and was much closer to 100% likely than 75% likely to play (there was never any suggestion that he might not play back in 2008) I don't really see what the fuss is.Has the NFL changed its standard such that John Doe, who has a partial tear of shoulder ligament, but is practicing and absent a new injury will play, needs to be listed as "Probable" on the injury report? Going to be a pretty long list as we get deeper into the season.

The league added another layer of injury reporting in the past couple of years to incorporate participation in daily practices. The options are currrently did not participate, limited participation, and full participation. Teams are required to list a body part or very basic reason for why the player did not practice fully.The other designations (doubful, etc.) still come into play, but most teams just translate their daily reports into the Friday reporting language.To the letter of the rule, I do not believe teams are required to report an injury if the player (while hurt) fully participates in practice and is fully expected to play on Sunday. In the Jets case, perhaps they feel that they ethically SHOULD have reported Favre's injury, but I don't think that they technically had to.

 

[Ray_T]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

I just don't get it. If you are reporting on the probability that a player with an injury will play, why would you list a player who was without a doubt playing on such a list. Listing Farve as "probable" would have been wrong as he was 100% going to play. Seems odd. I guess the NFL should just admit that the injury list is out there for gamblers to make their bets and to reduce the value of inside information on injuries.

At one point (don't know if its still the case) the NFL had ascribed a probability guideline: Probable - 75% likely to play, Questionable - 50% likely, Doubtful - 25% likely, Out - 0% likely. Since Favre fully practised and was much closer to 100% likely than 75% likely to play (there was never any suggestion that he might not play back in 2008) I don't really see what the fuss is.Has the NFL changed its standard such that John Doe, who has a partial tear of shoulder ligament, but is practicing and absent a new injury will play, needs to be listed as "Probable" on the injury report? Going to be a pretty long list as we get deeper into the season.

The league added another layer of injury reporting in the past couple of years to incorporate participation in daily practices. The options are currrently did not participate, limited participation, and full participation. Teams are required to list a body part or very basic reason for why the player did not practice fully.The other designations (doubful, etc.) still come into play, but most teams just translate their daily reports into the Friday reporting language.To the letter of the rule, I do not believe teams are required to report an injury if the player (while hurt) fully participates in practice and is fully expected to play on Sunday. In the Jets case, perhaps they feel that they ethically SHOULD have reported Favre's injury, but I don't think that they technically had to.

I dont recall farve missing practices. He played in all the games.what else do you want?you're not gonna report an injury that isnt gonna keep a player out of the lineup. Otherwise every defender out there will be grabbing at the bicep when trying to tackle him.this is just common sense guys. I am not a jets fan at all, but I'll stand up and say that The Jets did nothing wrong here.

 

[David Yudkin]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

I just don't get it. If you are reporting on the probability that a player with an injury will play, why would you list a player who was without a doubt playing on such a list. Listing Farve as "probable" would have been wrong as he was 100% going to play. Seems odd. I guess the NFL should just admit that the injury list is out there for gamblers to make their bets and to reduce the value of inside information on injuries.

At one point (don't know if its still the case) the NFL had ascribed a probability guideline: Probable - 75% likely to play, Questionable - 50% likely, Doubtful - 25% likely, Out - 0% likely. Since Favre fully practised and was much closer to 100% likely than 75% likely to play (there was never any suggestion that he might not play back in 2008) I don't really see what the fuss is.Has the NFL changed its standard such that John Doe, who has a partial tear of shoulder ligament, but is practicing and absent a new injury will play, needs to be listed as "Probable" on the injury report? Going to be a pretty long list as we get deeper into the season.

The league added another layer of injury reporting in the past couple of years to incorporate participation in daily practices. The options are currrently did not participate, limited participation, and full participation. Teams are required to list a body part or very basic reason for why the player did not practice fully.The other designations (doubful, etc.) still come into play, but most teams just translate their daily reports into the Friday reporting language.To the letter of the rule, I do not believe teams are required to report an injury if the player (while hurt) fully participates in practice and is fully expected to play on Sunday. In the Jets case, perhaps they feel that they ethically SHOULD have reported Favre's injury, but I don't think that they technically had to.

I dont recall farve missing practices. He played in all the games.what else do you want?you're not gonna report an injury that isnt gonna keep a player out of the lineup. Otherwise every defender out there will be grabbing at the bicep when trying to tackle him.this is just common sense guys. I am not a jets fan at all, but I'll stand up and say that The Jets did nothing wrong here.

We are saying the same thing. I don't think the Jets had any obligation to report anything.

 

[az_prof]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

I just don't get it. If you are reporting on the probability that a player with an injury will play, why would you list a player who was without a doubt playing on such a list. Listing Farve as "probable" would have been wrong as he was 100% going to play. Seems odd. I guess the NFL should just admit that the injury list is out there for gamblers to make their bets and to reduce the value of inside information on injuries.

At one point (don't know if its still the case) the NFL had ascribed a probability guideline: Probable - 75% likely to play, Questionable - 50% likely, Doubtful - 25% likely, Out - 0% likely. Since Favre fully practised and was much closer to 100% likely than 75% likely to play (there was never any suggestion that he might not play back in 2008) I don't really see what the fuss is.Has the NFL changed its standard such that John Doe, who has a partial tear of shoulder ligament, but is practicing and absent a new injury will play, needs to be listed as "Probable" on the injury report? Going to be a pretty long list as we get deeper into the season.

The league added another layer of injury reporting in the past couple of years to incorporate participation in daily practices. The options are currrently did not participate, limited participation, and full participation. Teams are required to list a body part or very basic reason for why the player did not practice fully.The other designations (doubful, etc.) still come into play, but most teams just translate their daily reports into the Friday reporting language.To the letter of the rule, I do not believe teams are required to report an injury if the player (while hurt) fully participates in practice and is fully expected to play on Sunday. In the Jets case, perhaps they feel that they ethically SHOULD have reported Favre's injury, but I don't think that they technically had to.

I dont recall farve missing practices. He played in all the games.what else do you want?you're not gonna report an injury that isnt gonna keep a player out of the lineup. Otherwise every defender out there will be grabbing at the bicep when trying to tackle him.this is just common sense guys. I am not a jets fan at all, but I'll stand up and say that The Jets did nothing wrong here.

I have been playing fantasy football a long time, and trust me, teams report injuries whether the player "is going to play or not." It affects his level of performance. Part of the reason for reporting is because of how much money is gambled on football. If teams hide this information it can lead to organized crime trying to do things to find out the information in other ways.

 

[sho nuff]

HmmmJets GM Mike Tannenbaum admits that he erred in not listing Brett Favre on the injury report late last season when the quarterback was playing through a torn right biceps tendon."As general manager of this team I should've handled that differently and listed him on the report," said Tannenbaum. "We didn't because he wasn't getting treatment everyday and we knew he was going to play." The NFL is looking into the matter after Favre hinted on Wednesday that he should have been benched down the stretch last year.Is Favre still the cry baby?

Why is Favre even saying it?Thats the point.Pointing out that they should not have listed him does not change that.I don't think its a big thing...but something that should not have even been said by Favre.It only feeds the people who think he is looking for an excuse in case he plays poorly.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I am really beginning to despise this man. But if this news ends up hurting Mangini...

MANGINA THE CHEATER!

 

[ookook]

HmmmJets GM Mike Tannenbaum admits that he erred in not listing Brett Favre on the injury report late last season when the quarterback was playing through a torn right biceps tendon."As general manager of this team I should've handled that differently and listed him on the report," said Tannenbaum. "We didn't because he wasn't getting treatment everyday and we knew he was going to play." The NFL is looking into the matter after Favre hinted on Wednesday that he should have been benched down the stretch last year.Is Favre still the cry baby?

Why is Favre even saying it?Thats the point.Pointing out that they should not have listed him does not change that.I don't think its a big thing...but something that should not have even been said by Favre.It only feeds the people who think he is looking for an excuse in case he plays poorly.

I suspect he said it, because...he was asked the question and answered honestly.No matter what he said, the haters would come out.Nothing to see here, Jets did nothing wrong.

 

[GregR_2]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.

And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

IIRC you made this comment in another thread talking about injury reports. I don't think I commented on it at the time, but I will now.I may agree with you that teams may try it. But that doesn't mean they should or that the NFL needs to allow it. I would hope you would agree the NFL should stomp on their ### hard if they did. This isn't a case of finding advantage in the existing rules, such as, say, the Eagles writing unlikely incentives that would be deemed likely to be earned.

This is a case of a team understanding exactly what the NFL is requiring of them and choosing to instead obfuscate that information with a lot of false information that no one, including them, the public, or the league, believes is what is being asked for to be reported. If it happens the right thing would be for the league to stomp on them harshly so it doesn't happen again. And if the team wants to claim they didn't know better, no one in their right mind would believe them, so why should the NFL give them any benefit of the doubt on it? If their front office is that monumentally stupid they should have no problem finding someone they can hire who can explain to them the kind of injury information that is supposed to be reported.

I think we as a society have a penchant for giving undeserved benefit of the doubt in situations like this. I don't think teams reporting every player as injured should even be a consideration that should play into any changes the NFL makes. If they do it they can easily be stopped.

[/soapbox]

 

[Jeremy]

Hmmm

Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum admits that he erred in not listing Brett Favre on the injury report late last season when the quarterback was playing through a torn right biceps tendon.

"As general manager of this team I should've handled that differently and listed him on the report," said Tannenbaum. "We didn't because he wasn't getting treatment everyday and we knew he was going to play." The NFL is looking into the matter after Favre hinted on Wednesday that he should have been benched down the stretch last year.

Is Favre still the cry baby?

Why is Favre even saying it?Thats the point.

Pointing out that they should not have listed him does not change that.

I don't think its a big thing...but something that should not have even been said by Favre.

It only feeds the people who think he is looking for an excuse in case he plays poorly.

I suspect he said it, because...he was asked the question and answered honestly.No matter what he said, the haters would come out.

Nothing to see here, Jets did nothing wrong.

Well, their GM admitted to a mistake, so I'm not sure the bolded is correct. We'll see what the league has to say. As far as Favre's role in all this goes, there's sort of a code in pro sports that you don't snitch on teammates and coaches. And since this could result in the Jet's getting into trouble, one could argue that was sort of a toolish thing for him to do. He sort of tattled on them for no apparent reason at all.

Not really a big deal. At most they pay a fine that's a drop in the bucket to a billionaire owner. But I don't see the need to always make excuses for Favre. If you take all his questionable decisions, comments, etc. individually you can probably make an excuse for every one of them. Looking at everything all together over the past several years, it eventually gets to the point where you feel pretty rediculous giving him the benifit of the doubt over and over and over and over... Maybe after a while, it's not a media creation. Maybe he really does deserve a lot of the criticism he gets.

 

[David Yudkin]

People need to remember the injury reporting system rules for the NFL. If a player fully participates in practice all week, even if the guy is on death's door, the team is not required to report him on the injury report. Something similar happened in 2007 with NE in that Ellis Hobbs had several major injuries across the season but still practiced and thus were never reported. It's the NFL administration that is causing this problem and their rules, not the teams.

And even if the league makes new policies on injuries, nothing will change, as teams will start listing EVERY player on the roster with some sort of injury to still keep people guessing as to who will play each week. That's happened in the past with teams like the Pats and Colts after the league got on them about who they listed on the injury report.

IIRC you made this comment in another thread talking about injury reports. I don't think I commented on it at the time, but I will now.I may agree with you that teams may try it. But that doesn't mean they should or that the NFL needs to allow it. I would hope you would agree the NFL should stomp on their ### hard if they did. This isn't a case of finding advantage in the existing rules, such as, say, the Eagles writing unlikely incentives that would be deemed likely to be earned.

This is a case of a team understanding exactly what the NFL is requiring of them and choosing to instead obfuscate that information with a lot of false information that no one, including them, the public, or the league, believes is what is being asked for to be reported. If it happens the right thing would be for the league to stomp on them harshly so it doesn't happen again. And if the team wants to claim they didn't know better, no one in their right mind would believe them, so why should the NFL give them any benefit of the doubt on it? If their front office is that monumentally stupid they should have no problem finding someone they can hire who can explain to them the kind of injury information that is supposed to be reported.

I think we as a society have a penchant for giving undeserved benefit of the doubt in situations like this. I don't think teams reporting every player as injured should even be a consideration that should play into any changes the NFL makes. If they do it they can easily be stopped.

[/soapbox]

Certainly I am not in favor of teams manipulating the rules. However, I do see several teams refusing to play nice and they would continue to abuse the system. It's the nature of the beast when you get coaches that are on big ego trips who think everything is somehow a competitive advantage.The issue would be where do you draw the line. Does a guy have to have missed a play? A practice? Need a bandaid? Have a noticable limp? Have seen a real doctor? Gotten an xray?

I'm not asking to be glib, I seriously think that they would have to have a 50 page policy on what has to be reported and when. That's fine with me, and they could throw the book at repeat offenders for all I care. My pet peeve all along has been the league policies moreso than what the teams are doing.

For example, at my house if I tell my kids not to eat the chocolate cake on the counter, they will dive into a tub of ice cream. If I tell them no cake or ice cream, they will eat a box of cookies. The league needs to start treating the teams like children and spell out what is and is not allowed and what the penalties are. Just like the Pats with Spygate. If there were set rules about what was allowed IN DETAIL and what the penalties would be IN DETAIL, NE would have had no leg to stand on. But since there was some wiggle room, it became a P.R. nightmare.

 

[bostonfred]

I suspect he said it, because...he was asked the question and answered honestly.No matter what he said, the haters would come out.Nothing to see here, Jets did nothing wrong.

Wait a minute, just because he was only caught once doesn't mean he wasn't lying during every injury report ever written. He should have to come forward with every shred of injury report related evidence, and no matter what that evidence concludes, we should assume that every Jets game is tainted and give them a new nickname like the new york cheats. And at calling anyone who thinks it's wrong to cheat a "hater". I just care about the integrity of the game, and manipulating the injury report is a huge advantage. The Jets did something wrong, and that's why he apologized. I'm thinking two firsts, and suspend the GM for a year. Otherwise Goodell will seem inconsistent.

 

[sho nuff]

HmmmJets GM Mike Tannenbaum admits that he erred in not listing Brett Favre on the injury report late last season when the quarterback was playing through a torn right biceps tendon."As general manager of this team I should've handled that differently and listed him on the report," said Tannenbaum. "We didn't because he wasn't getting treatment everyday and we knew he was going to play." The NFL is looking into the matter after Favre hinted on Wednesday that he should have been benched down the stretch last year.Is Favre still the cry baby?

Why is Favre even saying it?Thats the point.Pointing out that they should not have listed him does not change that.I don't think its a big thing...but something that should not have even been said by Favre.It only feeds the people who think he is looking for an excuse in case he plays poorly.

I suspect he said it, because...he was asked the question and answered honestly.No matter what he said, the haters would come out.Nothing to see here, Jets did nothing wrong.

Yes...but at times, his "honesty" would be better served with a no comment.This IMO...was one of them. He is no longer a Jet...even commenting on something that caused any bit of uproar for the former team was not good.Not the first time with him. Plenty got on him for his comments on Walker...and I said then and still say most of his comments were fine...til he said he hoped management did not give in.And another thing...can we stop with the "hater" stuff.It is possible to criticize someone without being a hater. Several of the people in this threads are fans of other teams, I would not call them haters.Lets just stop with that.

 

[bostonfred]

If LT gets a bruise on his thigh, but isnt expected to miss time why would they list it in the injury report?I swear, too many people make mountains out of molehills sometimes.

Whoa, there, nelly. You can't just say that other teams probably do this too, or imply that it's common knowledge that the Chargers or some other team might doctor the injury report. The Jets were the only team that got caught. They need to pay. As for the mountains out of molehills defense, I'm sorry, but even though I wasn't fully aware of the rules a week ago, I'm outraged now that I think there's a chance they might be punished. In fact, this tarnishes the legacy of everyone involved. Brett Favre and Eric Mangini should not go to the hall of fame. No way.