Favre's Elbow...anyone worried? (1 Viewer)

[Clifford]

He was clutching that elbow late in the game and was supposedly complaining about soreness after the loss. With the playoffs sliding out of view and the aches and pains starting to mount, anyone worried Favre's elbow provides enough justification for him to hang em up?

If he does, I don't see good things for the Vikes receivers. Seems like now might be a good sell high moment, or am I being too paranoid?

 

[Neofight]

He was clutching that elbow late in the game and was supposedly complaining about soreness after the loss. With the playoffs sliding out of view and the aches and pains starting to mount, anyone worried Favre's elbow provides enough justification for him to hang em up? If he does, I don't see good things for the Vikes receivers. Seems like now might be a good sell high moment, or am I being too paranoid?

I shipped Moss off prior to the Monday night game and following the trade. A lot of factors here, but Favre's arm was a big one. The guy can still be amazing at times, but last night he looked more bad than good and his line isn't exactly keeping him upright. Could be a long season if he continues to struggle.

 

[K8!]

My recollection of Favre's throwing motion from the middle of his career was that he threw with his arm and wrist to get the ball 50 yards downfield, and that he threw it on a rope. Now he winds up with his whole body and he lofts a rainbow to get it that far. It seems to me that his great arm has left him. He has a new motion.

I attribute his new motion to age and to his bicep injury suffered in New York. He is now an average arm but with years of experience seeing defenses. My belief is that his new motion, coupled with his age has lead to elbow problems and that they will not be getting better. I think this is aggravated by his ankle as he is not gettinggood push there. His ankle also seems to prevent him from rolling out as well and getting as clear a throwing lane as he once got.

In the end it is age and years of beatings catching up. The question is can his experience compensate for his declining phsical skills and will his emotioonal makeup allow for that. We have all known the end is now near. How ner is the question. i suppose the addition of Moss, the re-emergence of Harvin, and the possibility of Rice maybe returning would have any Q.B. wanting to fight through pain and keep playing. I don't see favre going quietly into the night. he will want to go on. i wondr though if he starts to hurt this team like he did the jets would Childress have the authority and the gravitas to pull him and to reinsert Jackson who is young, mobile, who when last he staarted regularly was coming around nicely, and who never had a recieiving corp like what may be developing in Minnesota.

 

[ericttspikes]

He made some plays, but toward the end of the game something didn't look right with him. Accuracy, touch and even velocity didn't look that great. He'll probably gut it out, but I think he's cooked.

 

[VaTerp]

Is there a serious problem with Favre's arm? I don't know but I'm not betting against the guy until they cart him off the field.

As for selling high on the WRs, I don't know if you can get great value for them right now anyway. I would say they are a hold right now and am actually trying to target Harvin in a trade. I think he's in for a monster 2nd half of the year in PPR. And IF Rice can give them anything week 10 and beyond, this could be the scariest FF offense in the league coming down the stretch.

There's definitely some risk there with the health concerns and how quickly they can get Moss acclimated. But the reward could be huge in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Football Critic]

Is there a serious problem with Favre's arm? I don't know but I'm not betting against the guy until they cart him off the field.As for selling high on the WRs, I don't know if you can get great value for them right now anyway. I would say they are a hold right now and am actually trying to target Harvin in a trade. I think he's in for a monster 2nd half of the year in PPR. And IF Rice can give them anything week 10 and beyond, this could be the scariest FF offense in the league coming down the stretch.There's definitely some risk there with the health concerns and how quickly they can get Moss acclimated. But the reward could be huge in the 2nd half of the season.

Really? He is a drama queen we all know it....he needs to be talked about at all times, I'm not worried at all. He is using it as a ready made excuse just incase, yes I said it.

 

[Clifford]

My recollection of Favre's throwing motion from the middle of his career was that he threw with his arm and wrist to get the ball 50 yards downfield, and that he threw it on a rope. Now he winds up with his whole body and he lofts a rainbow to get it that far. It seems to me that his great arm has left him. He has a new motion.

I attribute his new motion to age and to his bicep injury suffered in New York. He is now an average arm but with years of experience seeing defenses. My belief is that his new motion, coupled with his age has lead to elbow problems and that they will not be getting better. I think this is aggravated by his ankle as he is not gettinggood push there. His ankle also seems to prevent him from rolling out as well and getting as clear a throwing lane as he once got.

In the end it is age and years of beatings catching up. The question is can his experience compensate for his declining phsical skills and will his emotioonal makeup allow for that. We have all known the end is now near. How ner is the question. i suppose the addition of Moss, the re-emergence of Harvin, and the possibility of Rice maybe returning would have any Q.B. wanting to fight through pain and keep playing. I don't see favre going quietly into the night. he will want to go on. i wondr though if he starts to hurt this team like he did the jets would Childress have the authority and the gravitas to pull him and to reinsert Jackson who is young, mobile, who when last he staarted regularly was coming around nicely, and who never had a recieiving corp like what may be developing in Minnesota.

I have gone on record several times on Chilly having zero control of this team. I don't think Brett would let Chilly bench him. I seriously think if Chilly told him to sit he'd just give him the finger and trot out onto the field. This is Brett's team. Chilly is completely powerless. My complete thoughts on this:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=544065

 

[Deadman31]

He didnt start grabbing at his elbow until he knew he was gonna blow it. Its all drama and excuses with this guy. Brett Mary Favre.

 

[Clifford]

Let's try to keep this reasonable. Don't need this to be the 1,000th Favre flame thread of the season.

 

[vandyt]

Count me as not worried. Tarvaris Jackson isn't much worse than this version of Favre. Maybe if T-Jax was the starter, the Vikings could catch passes in the first half too.

 

[VaTerp]

Is there a serious problem with Favre's arm? I don't know but I'm not betting against the guy until they cart him off the field.

As for selling high on the WRs, I don't know if you can get great value for them right now anyway. I would say they are a hold right now and am actually trying to target Harvin in a trade. I think he's in for a monster 2nd half of the year in PPR. And IF Rice can give them anything week 10 and beyond, this could be the scariest FF offense in the league coming down the stretch.

There's definitely some risk there with the health concerns and how quickly they can get Moss acclimated. But the reward could be huge in the 2nd half of the season.

Really? He is a drama queen we all know it....he needs to be talked about at all times, I'm not worried at all. He is using it as a ready made excuse just incase, yes I said it.

 

[Phase of the Game]

He didnt start grabbing at his elbow until he knew he was gonna blow it. Its all drama and excuses with this guy. Brett Mary Favre.

 

[Phurfur]

He didnt start grabbing at his elbow until he knew he was gonna blow it. Its all drama and excuses with this guy. Brett Mary Favre.

What was with all the drama last night? Hands to the face, hands on top of the head, grabbing the elbow, etc. all after incomplete passes.

 

[sho nuff]

He didnt start grabbing at his elbow until he knew he was gonna blow it. Its all drama and excuses with this guy. Brett Mary Favre.

Agreed.Looked like it was hurting several times there and he just didn't have it all on every pass.Then he unleashed a few that looked just fine.

 

[Clifford]

I don't know, that pass that sailed over Harvin at the end looked BAD. A healthy Favre completes that pass every time.

 

[Deadman31]

I don't know, that pass that sailed over Harvin at the end looked BAD. A healthy Favre completes that pass every time.

ya usually with about 1:30 left in the game and to the other team

 

[LittlePhatty]

He didnt start grabbing at his elbow until he knew he was gonna blow it. Its all drama and excuses with this guy. Brett Mary Favre.

What exactly do you mean by "until he knew he was gonna blow it"?

I turned the game off early in the 3rd quarter when it was still 12-0. They had shown Favre grabbing his elbow at least twice already.

Looked like it was hurting several times there and he just didn't have it all on every pass.

Then he unleashed a few that looked just fine.

Yeah, passes were varying wildly from excellent to horrible. He's going to play through the pain, but on those crappy pass attempts I think his arm just isn't physically doing what his mind thinks it can still do.As for receivers, I think it's obvious that Harvin should be held onto if you have him. He just needs short little dumpoff passes and a little space to run.

Moss had a decent FF game, but he might suffer in the long run. There were at least two easy INTs that the Jets dropped because Favre is just lobbing it up there on long passes.

 

[Phase of the Game]

He didnt start grabbing at his elbow until he knew he was gonna blow it. Its all drama and excuses with this guy. Brett Mary Favre.

What exactly do you mean by "until he knew he was gonna blow it"?I turned the game off early in the 3rd quarter when it was still 12-0. They had shown Favre grabbing his elbow at least twice already.

You may want to check on who wrote that because it wasn't me, skippy.

 

[footballnerd]

any homers can speak to Favre's arm in the previous games. he was fumbling the ball last night so wonder how much the rain affected grip.

 

[whitem0nkey]

his arm does not look good. I saw some throws that the old Favre made in his sleep while this one was way off the mark.

as far as him grabbing his arm later in the game maybe he takes a shot for the pain and it was wearing off towards the end of the game.

 

[Jeremy]

I noticed the elbow injury didn't prevent him from throwing a hail mary pass into the endzone down 9 points with 2 seconds left on the clock. They must not have been too concerned about his injury if he's doing that. Although I suppose if anyone can score 9 points in 2 seconds, it's the ol' gunslinger.

 

[sho nuff]

I noticed the elbow injury didn't prevent him from throwing a hail mary pass into the endzone down 9 points with 2 seconds left on the clock. They must not have been too concerned about his injury if he's doing that. Although I suppose if anyone can score 9 points in 2 seconds, it's the ol' gunslinger.

My wife even asked if they were trying to get him hurt with about 30 seconds left.

 

[LittlePhatty]

You may want to check on who wrote that because it wasn't me, skippy.

Fixed. Quote marks got mixed up. My bad. Skippy?

 

[Gopher State]

Not worried above Favre, when it comes to playing in pain it's no issue. I think the quote below from Cromartie sums it up on the Vikings passing attack:

You have to tip your hat to Brett Favre and Randy Moss," said Cromartie, who surrendered the touchdown but also drew an offensive pass interference penalty on Moss.

"They're going to make a lot of history this year, those two together."

I go with the opinion of Cromatie on the Vikings passing game, rather then Monday morning quarterbacks who were not on the field.

I would be buying Viking WR's on this "bad news" Disclaimer unless I am a Favre hater with blinders on.

 

[sho nuff]

Not worried above Favre, when it comes to playing in pain it's no issue. I think the quote below from Cromartie sums it up on the Vikings passing attack:You have to tip your hat to Brett Favre and Randy Moss," said Cromartie, who surrendered the touchdown but also drew an offensive pass interference penalty on Moss. "They're going to make a lot of history this year, those two together." I go with the opinion of Cromatie on the Vikings passing game, rather then Monday morning quarterbacks who were not on the field.I would be buying Viking WR's on this "bad news" Disclaimer unless I am a Favre hater with blinders on.

First. I have Moss and I am holding. Its obvious Favre will target him big time.Second. Cromartie may very well just using the pleasantries and not ruffling feathers there. Did you expect him to say...man, that Favre looked terrible, they will be wasting Moss all year long?Third. You seem to have a bit of blinders on here. His elbow did not look good and even Favre admits it game him more trouble last night than any other so far.I guess I will go with the opinion of the QB himself over an opponent.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Drama Queen, sentiments echoed on the Blitz today by Rich Gannon who indicated that all aging QB's deal with elbow and/or shoulder tendonitis during the latter stages of their NFL careers. However, most don't "show it" on the field (in front of the Monday night cameras) after incomplete passes.

He's the ultimate Iron Man but is so damn insecure that he must always remind of such status at each and every possible opportunity.

 

[footballsavvy]

Drama Queen, sentiments echoed on the Blitz today by Rich Gannon who indicated that all aging QB's deal with elbow and/or shoulder tendonitis during the latter stages of their NFL careers. However, most don't "show it" on the field (in front of the Monday night cameras) after incomplete passes.He's the ultimate Iron Man but is so damn insecure that he must always remind of such status at each and every possible opportunity.

They showed him clutching it after his second perfect TD pass to Harvin. I thin they shoed him grabbing at it once prior to that (perhaps after an incompletion??).Anyway, its just tendonits. If you have played sports for any duration of your life you know what this feels like. It can feel like it is completely incapacitating one minute and then be almost pain free shortly thereafter. A little ice and rest and its good as new, until it flares up again. It won't ruin his season. It iwll just be another nagging thing he deeals with.Also, there aren't many QBs in the league that could have made any of those three TD passes he threw last night. Those passes ar ethe reason he's in there. He always mixes in those stinker plays. Always has, always will.I'm glad to hear so many are selling high. I'm going shopping on Moss and Harvin.

 

[footballnerd]

First. I have Moss and I am holding. Its obvious Favre will target him big time.Second. Cromartie may very well just using the pleasantries and not ruffling feathers there. Did you expect him to say...man, that Favre looked terrible, they will be wasting Moss all year long?Third. You seem to have a bit of blinders on here. His elbow did not look good and even Favre admits it game him more trouble last night than any other so far.I guess I will go with the opinion of the QB himself over an opponent.

"He plays when he wants to," Cromartie said of Moss. "He didn’t have that same effort. I think you can see it on film.""When you get in his face a lot, you get him frustrated," Cromartie said.

Cromartie afraid to ruffle feathers?

 

[renesauz]

I noticed the elbow injury didn't prevent him from throwing a hail mary pass into the endzone down 9 points with 2 seconds left on the clock. They must not have been too concerned about his injury if he's doing that. Although I suppose if anyone can score 9 points in 2 seconds, it's the ol' gunslinger.

That was just plain stupid. Favre's a first ballot HOFer, and rightfully so, but he's NOT the brightest tool in the shed. No sense in hurling the ball 50 yards downfield with a gimpy elbow when the outcome was assured....just like a lot of late fourth quarter passes in in his career.

 

[John 14:6]

Drama Queen, sentiments echoed on the Blitz today by Rich Gannon who indicated that all aging QB's deal with elbow and/or shoulder tendonitis during the latter stages of their NFL careers. However, most don't "show it" on the field (in front of the Monday night cameras) after incomplete passes.

He's the ultimate Iron Man but is so damn insecure that he must always remind of such status at each and every possible opportunity.

They showed him clutching it after his second perfect TD pass to Harvin. I thin they shoed him grabbing at it once prior to that (perhaps after an incompletion??).

Anyway, its just tendonits. If you have played sports for any duration of your life you know what this feels like. It can feel like it is completely incapacitating one minute and then be almost pain free shortly thereafter. A little ice and rest and its good as new, until it flares up again. It won't ruin his season. It iwll just be another nagging thing he deeals with.

Also, there aren't many QBs in the league that could have made any of those three TD passes he threw last night. Those passes ar ethe reason he's in there. He always mixes in those stinker plays. Always has, always will.

I'm glad to hear so many are selling high. I'm going shopping on Moss and Harvin.

Thank you for this post. It's too bad we have to go through so much garbage to find helpful information...

 

[K8!]

I know I will be watching any sacks of him, particularly on harder surfaces, to see whether he comes down on that elbow.

I have not been following Dallas closely this year. Are they bringing the pass rush? Is Ware likely to get to Favre?

 

[Titus Pullo]

overblown issue. favre made some great throws last night that still very few qbs can make.

 

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Anyway, its just tendonits. If you have played sports for any duration of your life you know what this feels like. It can feel like it is completely incapacitating one minute and then be almost pain free shortly thereafter. A little ice and rest and its good as new, until it flares up again. It won't ruin his season. It iwll just be another nagging thing he deeals with.

Gotta disagree that a bad case of tendonitis is as simple as "ice it and good as new" like you're saying here. As a former pitcher who got tendonitis in my elbow at point point I'll tell you right now that no matter how tough you are, it can impact your performance. Will he be able to play through it? Of course. But it's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

 

[fatness]

The elbow won't prevent him from snapping pictures, will it?

 

[az_prof]

I think the OP makes a good point. Favre was clearly holding his elbow and it looked like it was bothering him. Also, his accuracy was not there consistently and it could be the elbow. I almost traded for Moss myself but I caught myself and it was thinking about this possibility that held me back. I think Moss is a Sell High right now because of the positive energy brought about by the trade, his getting deep for that one TD, and the fact that Favre seems to be fading.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.

The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.

Better than having Brady check down all the time and at least not try to let Randy make a play.

 

[Neofight]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.Better than having Brady check down all the time and at least not try to let Randy make a play.

Let's try and remain realistic and stick to the facts. Favre's arm looks good on some throws, but his deep ball looks like a rainbow these days and he is winding up to make that throw. He may or may not be able to get the ball to Randy deep consistently.On top of that, two of Moss' TD's in NE were on 35yd tosses (ball traveled in the air to the end zone), one of which was the dart he caught with one hand. Moss also dropped another bomb in week 1 that would've gone for about 50, if memory serves.

 

[ookook]

I think that it is a very valid concern. He can zip it close and gun it long, but has no touch.

I suspect it will be a problem.

If they had been winning, they should sit him and let it rest. They have not been winning...

 

[renesauz]

I know I will be watching any sacks of him, particularly on harder surfaces, to see whether he comes down on that elbow.I have not been following Dallas closely this year. Are they bringing the pass rush? Is Ware likely to get to Favre?

Tendonitis doesn't work that way..it isn't like a bruise, strain, or a break. He won't make it worse falling on that elbow, only by the strenous motion of throwing a ball.I've had bad tendonitis in my elbow pitching in high school. You can ignore the pain and throw four or five good balls in a row, but now and then it will hurt much much worse, and on that throw, you lose both accuracy and velocity. AFTER that throw, it aches even more. And the harder (farther) you throw the ball, the more likely it flares up and ruins the throw, and the more it hurts afterwarards. The more it hurts, the more likely to throw another bad ball. It doesn't heal quickly, but you can play through it while it's still relatively minor. Obviously, if you're going to play through it, you need to avoid the fastball whenever possible.That's why Favre's an idiot...pitching the ball 50 yards downfield on the last play of the game was senseless. Tendonitis does not heal in a week as it is, but he'd be in much better shape for next week without throws like that this past week.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm interested and therefore

 

[Kenny Powers]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.

I agree and disagree...I think on most corners, basically any that are normal height for a CB, Moss catches a couple more of those deep balls last night..That said, Favre's deep throws looked horrible yesterday and if he's catching a lot of deep ones, I think Moss is doing it because of his height and getting tackled on the spot. Not catching them a couple steps past the CB and running 40 yards to the endzone because the CB has time to run under Favre's rainbows.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.

I agree and disagree...I think on most corners, basically any that are normal height for a CB, Moss catches a couple more of those deep balls last night..That said, Favre's deep throws looked horrible yesterday and if he's catching a lot of deep ones, I think Moss is doing it because of his height and getting tackled on the spot. Not catching them a couple steps past the CB and running 40 yards to the endzone because the CB has time to run under Favre's rainbows.

I don't know....that TD pass was perfect.Lets not forget he has NO timing with moss yet, so hitting him in stride...it will take a little work.

 

[Sweatpants]

Must be squeezing the ball too hard

 

[Kenny Powers]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.

I agree and disagree...I think on most corners, basically any that are normal height for a CB, Moss catches a couple more of those deep balls last night..That said, Favre's deep throws looked horrible yesterday and if he's catching a lot of deep ones, I think Moss is doing it because of his height and getting tackled on the spot. Not catching them a couple steps past the CB and running 40 yards to the endzone because the CB has time to run under Favre's rainbows.

I don't know....that TD pass was perfect.Lets not forget he has NO timing with moss yet, so hitting him in stride...it will take a little work.

TD pass was very nice, the rest looked like garbage. Timing will help, but he was putting a ton of air under 40 yard passes.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.

I agree and disagree...I think on most corners, basically any that are normal height for a CB, Moss catches a couple more of those deep balls last night..That said, Favre's deep throws looked horrible yesterday and if he's catching a lot of deep ones, I think Moss is doing it because of his height and getting tackled on the spot. Not catching them a couple steps past the CB and running 40 yards to the endzone because the CB has time to run under Favre's rainbows.

I don't know....that TD pass was perfect.Lets not forget he has NO timing with moss yet, so hitting him in stride...it will take a little work.

TD pass was very nice, the rest looked like garbage. Timing will help, but he was putting a ton of air under 40 yard passes.

I think it was just good defense....I guess we shall see this week. Let's put it this way, Favre did better throwing to Moss with Chromartie covering him than Brady did after Revis got hurt.Seemed to me that the only problem on his passes deep were that he was covered.....or did I miss Favre underthrowing him...don't think I did watched every play and Moss wasn't even open when he threw it....it wasn't his throws it was coverage.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I think it was just good defense....I guess we shall see this week. Let's put it this way, Favre did better throwing to Moss with Chromartie covering him than Brady did after Revis got hurt.Seemed to me that the only problem on his passes deep were that he was covered.....or did I miss Favre underthrowing him...don't think I did watched every play and Moss wasn't even open when he threw it....it wasn't his throws it was coverage.

I remember at least twice where Moss had steps on Cromartie but Cromartie caught up to him because Favre underthrew him/put too much air under the ball.

 

[az_prof]

I think it was just good defense....I guess we shall see this week. Let's put it this way, Favre did better throwing to Moss with Chromartie covering him than Brady did after Revis got hurt.Seemed to me that the only problem on his passes deep were that he was covered.....or did I miss Favre underthrowing him...don't think I did watched every play and Moss wasn't even open when he threw it....it wasn't his throws it was coverage.

I remember at least twice where Moss had steps on Cromartie but Cromartie caught up to him because Favre underthrew him/put too much air under the ball.

I saw this too. Still, I think that they will keep slinging it because they don't have much choice. So there will be a lot of misses, but enough hits that Moss should still produce pretty well. I just wonder what they will do if Favre's elbow gets worse, and if TJax can connect with Moss or not. TJax is better than those jokers Moss had throwing the rock in Oakland, but, he's no Hall of Fame QB like Brady or like Favre when he is healthy.

 

[pizzatyme]

I know I'm going to get flamed for suggesting this, but I think the Vikes need to take a page out of the Jets playbook and run some wildcat with TJax. Give the elbow some rest and open up some lanes for Peterson with the threat of Jackson (or Harvin for that matter) taking the snap.

Or what if they just snapped it to Peterson with Harvin running the Jet motion. Teams would have to respect Harvin's speed to the corner and this would help Peterson too.

I just think they need to get creative to give Favre as many play off as possible.

If Favr's arm doesn't fall off, I could see the Vikes go on a major run to finish the season. Their Defense is terrific and all they need is 10-15 plays from their QB to be successful.

Thoughts?

 

[Clifford]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.

I agree and disagree...I think on most corners, basically any that are normal height for a CB, Moss catches a couple more of those deep balls last night..That said, Favre's deep throws looked horrible yesterday and if he's catching a lot of deep ones, I think Moss is doing it because of his height and getting tackled on the spot. Not catching them a couple steps past the CB and running 40 yards to the endzone because the CB has time to run under Favre's rainbows.

Something to consider: every other team in the NFL will double Moss. Not saying he can't beat double teams, but he won't see single coverage again. So you have to wonder if Cromartie is better 1-1 against Moss than double teams. I doubt it.

 

[kinged]

Chromarties speed, size and skills are not very easy to find in the NFL.The way he was chucking it up to Moss....I think Moss has a year like he used to with Culp.....good for at least one bomb TD a game.

I agree and disagree...I think on most corners, basically any that are normal height for a CB, Moss catches a couple more of those deep balls last night..That said, Favre's deep throws looked horrible yesterday and if he's catching a lot of deep ones, I think Moss is doing it because of his height and getting tackled on the spot. Not catching them a couple steps past the CB and running 40 yards to the endzone because the CB has time to run under Favre's rainbows.

Something to consider: every other team in the NFL will double Moss. Not saying he can't beat double teams, but he won't see single coverage again. So you have to wonder if Cromartie is better 1-1 against Moss than double teams. I doubt it.

I don't think he will see as many doubles as usual. Teams will respect Peterson too much. It's a pick your poison scenario. They might choose to give up a big play once or twice a game leaving single coverage on Moss than have Peterson gash their defense, sustaining drives which tires the defense out for later in the game, etc. + Moss has shown to be able to break double teams plenty as shown by his production.For what it's worth in regards to Favre's arm- Childress was on NFL Sirius Radio yesterday afternoon, and they were asking him about all the injured players-- of course, he's not going to say much, but he said he didn't think it was any worse than it was before and the team doctors have always said its something he can play through- In response to a question, he admitted Favre was off on some of his throws but he attribituted it to a "bad day" vs. and injury.. The one thing I thought encouraging is he said Favre wasn't at the facility today getting any treatment with the rest of the banged up players--- that's prob a good sign.