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David Dodds
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Exciting times around here. If you blink, you could miss something:From our press release:
Footballguys.com Purchases 50% Stake in High Stakes Fantasy Football Contest
KNOXVILLE, Tennessee and RALEIGH, North Carolina – April 13th, 2006 – Footballguys.com today announced that it has purchased a 50% stake in the Fantasy Football Tournament of Champions (FFTOC). Financial terms of this transaction were not discussed.
The FFTOC enters it's third year of offering several exciting skill-based fantasy football contests. Representing a "tournament style" approach to the game of fantasy football, the FFTOC eliminates many of the problems with traditional high-stakes fantasy football contests. "We are excited about what the future holds for this style of play. The FFTOC reduces the amount of luck requiring owners to make many more decisions," said David Dodds, co-owner of Footballguys.com.
With Footballguys.com's participation, the FFTOC will offer the Online Fantasy Football Championship (OFFC) in 2006. "We feel there are lots of extremely skilled owners who want to play in a serious high stakes league. But they don’t want to take a week off of work, fly to another city, drop $2,000+ into entry fees and add-on costs all to win prizes that are a fraction of the entry fees," said David Dodds. "The Online Fantasy Football Championship will break through all of those barriers and allow users to register and play online. And at a cost of just $250 to enter, rules to ensure fair play, and a format that maximizes skill while reducing luck, we believe we will alienate no one."
"We are so committed to making this style of play the way to crown future fantasy football champions, the FFTOC will be offering over 100% payouts to all contests if you enter before August 5th," said Greg Alan, Founder of FFTOC. "And should you be gifted enough to win the Online Fantasy Football Championship, we are creating a custom 7-foot high trophy that is sure to dazzle your co-workers when on display" said Joe Bryant, co-owner of Footballguys.com.
FFTOC and Online Championship of Fantasy Football
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David Dodds
Administrator
Feel free to fire away questions. My boss isn't looking right now.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
I have to say I didn't care much for this style of contest. There was just too much luck involved it seemed.
David Dodds
Administrator
As in will we be bringing our big sword into this dogfight of high stakes contests? You know we will.
David Dodds
Administrator
I am always amazed when people say that. I feel it's the most skilled contest going by a long shot.Consider the following:1. One top pick that goes down does not kill your season. You start new players every week (and can only start players once anyway). So injuries become virtually a non-issue.2. You have so many more decision points through the year. When you draft Peyton Manning in a serpentine, you are playing him every week and hoping he plays up to where you draft him. In this format, you are choosing WHEN to play him.3. Who wants to draft around the 5 slot this year and not have a shot at Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander or LaDainian Tomlinson. How is that skill that someone got a better draw?I could go on and on here.
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David Dodds
Administrator
Serpentine works for the local leagues of 10 to 16 people. We know that. But in high stakes contests, there are a ton more problems they bring.
- These contests have killed trading because of collusion fears. So the only way to improve your team after the draft is to outbid people for free agents.
- This on the surface seems fair (and is in a 12 team league), but with so many leagues some people are going to get great players cheaply where other owners never had a fighting chance. So the luck of what league you get put in becomes another HUGE factor here.
- These contests have killed trading because of collusion fears. So the only way to improve your team after the draft is to outbid people for free agents.
- This on the surface seems fair (and is in a 12 team league), but with so many leagues some people are going to get great players cheaply where other owners never had a fighting chance. So the luck of what league you get put in becomes another HUGE factor here.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
I'm more comparing it to the salary cap style that existed before hand. I guess I think there is more skill in identfying players who are going to be good value over the course of the season than taking your shot at one week. There are so many random things that can happen in one week that luck seems to come into play in this contest much more so than the salary cap or draft style.
David Dodds
Administrator
Let's compare this for a second to the WCOFF, the grand daddy of the high stakes contests:
After 11 weeks:
The #1 team out of 720 had scored 1696 points.
The median team scored 1,377 points
So, the number one team was only 23% more than the median team!
The 5th best team in WCOFF (1617) only made 17% more than the median team.
We think that represents a roll of the dice.
The FFTOC has a U-Ratio which tracks how much better you have played than the average selection of a player. I had a U-ratio of 47% last year. So within this format, I earned 47% more fantasy points than if I had played these same players on random weeks.
This is where I am coming from. You have the control. You have the level playing field. Every decision builds on the expected value.
This is the most skilled format in fantasy football, bar none. I said it last year and I am going to keep saying it. It's the way we should be crowning Fantasy Football Championships in the High-Stakes games.
It also has small leagues (6 teams) and allows you to double your money just by beating the other 5. The subscriber contest did not see that aspect last year, but it exists in the FFTOC paid games.
After 11 weeks:
The #1 team out of 720 had scored 1696 points.
The median team scored 1,377 points
So, the number one team was only 23% more than the median team!
The 5th best team in WCOFF (1617) only made 17% more than the median team.
We think that represents a roll of the dice.
The FFTOC has a U-Ratio which tracks how much better you have played than the average selection of a player. I had a U-ratio of 47% last year. So within this format, I earned 47% more fantasy points than if I had played these same players on random weeks.
This is where I am coming from. You have the control. You have the level playing field. Every decision builds on the expected value.
This is the most skilled format in fantasy football, bar none. I said it last year and I am going to keep saying it. It's the way we should be crowning Fantasy Football Championships in the High-Stakes games.
It also has small leagues (6 teams) and allows you to double your money just by beating the other 5. The subscriber contest did not see that aspect last year, but it exists in the FFTOC paid games.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I know that there is no chance now, but I liked the old survivor contest alot better as well. Oh well.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
David Dodds
Administrator
and don't get me started about most of these other high stakes payouts.
Add in the "special fees", the travel, the hotel room, the entry fee, the cost to have a second manager and the payout is close to 50%.
From where I sit, that says only the rich can try to get the title of best fantasy football player. Because most people with sense would never enter something where the payouts are so bad.
These terrible-payout events are fun and people go to them for just that reason. But even the best managers would likely have negative expected value in earnings if they played these contests year in and year out. I definitely do not think that is true with the FFTOC.
Add in the "special fees", the travel, the hotel room, the entry fee, the cost to have a second manager and the payout is close to 50%.
From where I sit, that says only the rich can try to get the title of best fantasy football player. Because most people with sense would never enter something where the payouts are so bad.
These terrible-payout events are fun and people go to them for just that reason. But even the best managers would likely have negative expected value in earnings if they played these contests year in and year out. I definitely do not think that is true with the FFTOC.
David Dodds
Administrator
a theme I am hearing here is how this relates to the subscriber contest.
Let me first state that the FFTOC format is a bit different than what we did with the subscriber contest last year.
In the FFTOC contests, everyone is in 6 person leagues. If you win your league, you double your money.
The second major difference is that 1/3 of all managers (regardless of divisions) qualify for the post season (where the scores are erased, but the players you have used can't be used again).
In the FBG Subscriber contest, you had to crush this thing to get to the playoff round. There were approximately 9,000 people that played and only 600 advanced to the playoffs.
So of course it seems very unfair. It was probably on the magnitude of 1000X tougher than the paid events.
The highest scores in the FBG contest would have crushed these pay events. In fact probably the top 1500 teams would have mostly won their respective 6 person divisions.
I don't want us to get cornered on the subscriber contest details right now. We have some interesting things that we are going to say about that in a few weeks.
This acquisition by us is aimed at having a High-Stakes (Medium cost for ours) which provides fair payouts and becomes the standard to crown the best in fantasy football.
Let me first state that the FFTOC format is a bit different than what we did with the subscriber contest last year.
In the FFTOC contests, everyone is in 6 person leagues. If you win your league, you double your money.
The second major difference is that 1/3 of all managers (regardless of divisions) qualify for the post season (where the scores are erased, but the players you have used can't be used again).
In the FBG Subscriber contest, you had to crush this thing to get to the playoff round. There were approximately 9,000 people that played and only 600 advanced to the playoffs.
So of course it seems very unfair. It was probably on the magnitude of 1000X tougher than the paid events.
The highest scores in the FBG contest would have crushed these pay events. In fact probably the top 1500 teams would have mostly won their respective 6 person divisions.
I don't want us to get cornered on the subscriber contest details right now. We have some interesting things that we are going to say about that in a few weeks.
This acquisition by us is aimed at having a High-Stakes (Medium cost for ours) which provides fair payouts and becomes the standard to crown the best in fantasy football.
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Keysersoze666
Footballguy
Hey David, I agree that this format gives you more individual control of your own destiny which can never be bad. My biggest concern is the time factor. In the WCOFF I know what time is involved based on the types of transactions that are made each week (blind bidding and then lineup selection) once the draft is over.
I keep asking myself, how much MORE time would I spend each week making the same level of game matchups decisions when I have to evaluate every starter (and significant backups or WR3s) in the whole league. I also figure draft research would be replaced by "grid research" where I would attempt to cherry pick some decisions from looking at the basic schedule (ie: Play Priest early, maybe choose the 3-4 easiest matchups for each stud player and try to spread them across the season, etc.).
Am I wrong about the time? I didn't participate in last years contest so could you give us an idea of how you spent your time and was it higher than in a normal league? To me this matters because the payout % is top-notch but will it cover my extra investment time-wise? Thanks in advance and keep pushing the limit, the hobby has always evolved and I doubt that will stop.
I keep asking myself, how much MORE time would I spend each week making the same level of game matchups decisions when I have to evaluate every starter (and significant backups or WR3s) in the whole league. I also figure draft research would be replaced by "grid research" where I would attempt to cherry pick some decisions from looking at the basic schedule (ie: Play Priest early, maybe choose the 3-4 easiest matchups for each stud player and try to spread them across the season, etc.).
Am I wrong about the time? I didn't participate in last years contest so could you give us an idea of how you spent your time and was it higher than in a normal league? To me this matters because the payout % is top-notch but will it cover my extra investment time-wise? Thanks in advance and keep pushing the limit, the hobby has always evolved and I doubt that will stop.
David Dodds
Administrator
Thanks meatwad.
We have a huge challenge in explaining this thing, but people that played in the pay events the last two years generally love this thing. With deeper and richer payouts plus lots of goodies we are giving for people that enter early, I think we can make a big splash here.
We have a huge challenge in explaining this thing, but people that played in the pay events the last two years generally love this thing. With deeper and richer payouts plus lots of goodies we are giving for people that enter early, I think we can make a big splash here.
Hi Keyser,It definitely involves a little more time each week. But that's also to say it involves more decision making. Which means there's more opportunity for the smart owner to distance himself from the pack. It's a format that exposes the owners who are not on top of everything.
There is definitely some draw to the super low maintenance, set it and forget it type contests. But we've found that when serious money gets on the line, the hardcore owners want to have as many decisions in their hands as possible.
Thanks.
J
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David Dodds
Administrator
Great questions:I think it takes less time. In the other formats, how much time is spent ANALYZING every possible situation before the draft. Then on Monday's you are combing through the game recaps, targets, etc to be prepared to outbid your team mates via the waiver process.
Then in other serpentine leagues, you spend countless time trying to execute killer trades that never materialize.
In this format, you can wait until Saturday / Sunday and submit your team. Instead of looking at this as a million choices, break down each position and list guys you think have good to great matchups. Our matchup, cheatsheet, custom projection, lineup dominator, strength of schedule tools should make this pretty easy.
You then submit these players and see how you do. Are you ahead in your division (and in the top 1/3), play lesser stars (holding back for the playoffs). Did you tank this week? Maybe you should play some better players.
Look to play old veterans early in the season (injury/benching risks). Look to squeeze the players that are subbing for injurred players with great matchups to save talent.
Last year I played Mike Anderson in week 1. He got injured and finished with two carries. I still finished the year with a U-ratio of 1.47 winning both my $250 and $1,000 divisions. You can easily recover and don't have to nail everything every time.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I can definately see that this format optimizes decision making and access to information. In fact it does so, so much so, that I wonder if a knowledgable person can compete on knowledge alone, or whether it will actually take significant data crunching. Seems to be a format for those knowledgable in computer programing more so than just general fantasy football knowledge. Of course having never tried this format my initial impressions may be way off. I think I might just take the plunge and judge this after some actual experience,. Afterall when I extended myself to learn the auction format I enjoyed that, when I went dynasty I enjoyed that, and when I went IDP I enjoyed that too. Sometimes a paradigm shift is exactly what's called for to keep things fresh.
David Dodds
Administrator
Each are a little different, but I will define the $250 Online Championship of Fantasy Football Contest here.
Every entry before 8/5 gets these things:
- Choice of a FBG or 4for4 subscription ($25.95 value)
- MyFFTOC software to allow you to play this style of league with your friends ($33.95 value)
- FBG Traing Camp Reports ($7.95 value).
The prize pool then builds via the following:
- We start the prize pool with $5,000 of added money. Last year we had 180 entries (so this could be worth as much as $25 an entry depending on entries)
- Each entry into this contest will add $200 into the prize pool.
- All winners of their 6 team leagues will double their money
If you mail in your entry, we also enter you into a special $1,000 contest (for just mailed in $250 entries).
- We will then pay the top 30 spots from the remaining prize pool. We have written a PHP script that allows you to view the potential prize pool based on the number of entries.
$250 Prize Page
Every entry before 8/5 gets these things:
- Choice of a FBG or 4for4 subscription ($25.95 value)
- MyFFTOC software to allow you to play this style of league with your friends ($33.95 value)
- FBG Traing Camp Reports ($7.95 value).
The prize pool then builds via the following:
- We start the prize pool with $5,000 of added money. Last year we had 180 entries (so this could be worth as much as $25 an entry depending on entries)
- Each entry into this contest will add $200 into the prize pool.
- All winners of their 6 team leagues will double their money
If you mail in your entry, we also enter you into a special $1,000 contest (for just mailed in $250 entries).
- We will then pay the top 30 spots from the remaining prize pool. We have written a PHP script that allows you to view the potential prize pool based on the number of entries.
$250 Prize Page
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I'm curious about what this represents for Footballguys's business strategy. Obviously I'm not asking Joe to divulge his business plan, but it does seem like an odd marriage. What does an information and analysis service have in common with a high stakes contest? Why does Footballguys see this as a sound investment of their own funds?
David Dodds
Administrator
I spent about an hour a week. I won both of my leagues and also finished 2nd (out of 8) in the $1,000 finals and 13th out of 60 in the $250 finals. Those both cashed too.
I really believe this format takes less time when you factor all of the draft prep most of us put in for other leagues. The time is also conveniently moved to the weekends, which for most of us is a lot easier to juggle.
I really believe this format takes less time when you factor all of the draft prep most of us put in for other leagues. The time is also conveniently moved to the weekends, which for most of us is a lot easier to juggle.
David Dodds
Administrator
It's actually quite the smart marriage. We contend our subscribers are the most knowledgeable in the business. Tools like the Strength of Schedule, Data Dominator, Lineup Dominator, news, custom cheatsheets, etc will give our subscribers an edge in this thing. I know it because I used those exact tools and dominated in the format.So as this format gets wider acceptance, we contend people need us even more. We also strongly believe this industry needs fairer contests / payouts. We got tired of preaching and decided to do something about it. And the best way to do that was to take an ownership stake in what we believe will soon be the way to crown future fantasy football champions.We are not looking to lose money here, but this will likely not be a huge profit center for us in the short-term. We remain committed to this style of play though and believe with our base of hardcore players, we can accelerate the learning curve and experiences as we march ahead.The World Series of Poker started small. We believe that with a format that has no cap on entries (and offers value), we can mirror their success here.
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Hi abrech,It's really the perfect hand in glove connection we think.
If you asked me what would be the most important thing a guy could purchase to excel in a high stakes contest, I would say without hesitation that it would be a subscription to FBG. Perfect relationship I think.
J
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
When I have 10 dynasty teams and a few other redraft and partial keeper leagues to worry about, there is just not time for me to worry about some other whackey formatt contest. I have tried it and it's not for me. I am also one of them veterens around here that enjoyed your FBG old contest 100 times better then the stupid FFTOC formatt you switched to last year.
At least it is nice to know my 3 year subscribtion is already being invested onto other ventures. I will play the thing for free if forced to again half hearted. But why pay to play when half my leagues pay me to play? I don't beleive in playing in any contest where the source is making a huge profit for running a contest or league. I am spoiled in many 120% payback leagues. Refuse to play in any 80% payback leagues.
Sorry, it's not for me!
At least it is nice to know my 3 year subscribtion is already being invested onto other ventures. I will play the thing for free if forced to again half hearted. But why pay to play when half my leagues pay me to play? I don't beleive in playing in any contest where the source is making a huge profit for running a contest or league. I am spoiled in many 120% payback leagues. Refuse to play in any 80% payback leagues.
Sorry, it's not for me!
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Hay David,Let me start by saying that I think this is a great thing for you guys to do and to back up your statements about better payouts by actually doing something about it is great.
However, I do hope that the subscriber contest reverts to the 2004 format. The FFTOC format may allow you to control your own destiny and maybe it promotes more knowledgeable fantasy football owners. But there is no way that it is less time consuming unless it is the only league type you are playing. Sure you spend more time in July and August getting ready for H2H or Survivor drafts, but that is sunk time because you are already in these leagues and there shouldn't be much difference between the prep for the different leagues, esp using the DD. During the season, you should not have to spend a ton of time analyzing the waiver wire (none in Survivor leagues) or going over alot of WDIS decisions. If you are spending a ton of time on this, then either you team was decimated by injuries, or you are overthinking. But in the FFTOC format you have to examine almost every single WDIS position on your team every single week (minus guys you have already started). It's a huge time drain.
So in conclusion, I do think it's great that you guys made this purchase and will offer great payouts for a higher priced (but not ridiculous) format that does increase owner participation throughout the season. I would just like to ask that you consider making the subscriber contest a survivor format again and point out that not everyone thinks that a FFTOC format is less time consuming.
Thanks for listening and yes, I do understand that I don't need to enter in the contest if I don't want to.
BrutalPenguin
Footballguy
Hay David,Let me start by saying that I think this is a great thing for you guys to do and to back up your statements about better payouts by actually doing something about it is great.
However, I do hope that the subscriber contest reverts to the 2004 format. The FFTOC format may allow you to control your own destiny and maybe it promotes more knowledgeable fantasy football owners. But there is no way that it is less time consuming unless it is the only league type you are playing. Sure you spend more time in July and August getting ready for H2H or Survivor drafts, but that is sunk time because you are already in these leagues and there shouldn't be much difference between the prep for the different leagues, esp using the DD. During the season, you should not have to spend a ton of time analyzing the waiver wire (none in Survivor leagues) or going over alot of WDIS decisions. If you are spending a ton of time on this, then either you team was decimated by injuries, or you are overthinking. But in the FFTOC format you have to examine almost every single WDIS position on your team every single week (minus guys you have already started). It's a huge time drain.
So in conclusion, I do think it's great that you guys made this purchase and will offer great payouts for a higher priced (but not ridiculous) format that does increase owner participation throughout the season. I would just like to ask that you consider making the subscriber contest a survivor format again and point out that not everyone thinks that a FFTOC format is less time consuming.
Thanks for listening and yes, I do understand that I don't need to enter in the contest if I don't want to.
I agree entirely!!Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I agree on all points. Most of all the time consumption part.You have months and months to prepare vs. having breakdown every single matchup in 1 weeks time. I think Sortable Stat features on the majority of the hosting sites cut down the time needed on the Waiver Wire each week. (And I personally don't believe you have to look at every single box score/recap as a result).
Good to see $$ being spent on what you believe in. Hope it works out for the best. The weekly pick who you want to start contests just aren't for me.
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diesel7982
Footballguy
David, We've been over this before.
Is FFTOC less luck involved than say, a H2H draft league? Sure.
Is it better than a comprehensive points or rotisserie game from CDM? Absoultely not.
What FFTOC's fatal error is is their unwillingness to do away with the 4 week championship period.
No matter how much "skill" you exhibit through the first 12 weeks of the season, everything youve done is taken away and play a lottery against the 200 other folks who got in.
4 weeks isnt enough to determine a champion. There is way too much variance involved, and way too much ability for one big game for one player to have a significant impact on the outcome of the game.
If FFTOC ever decides to make it a 16 week season, make sure to let those of us who understand how "luck" works know.
Edit to add: Not to mention anything about the piss-poor management team running the TOC. Theres no way Im trusting those guys to hold my money again after the 2004 debacle.
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diesel7982
Footballguy
Can you tell us what other games/formats youve played besides FFTOC?Saying this format requires the "most skill.." is an insult to the thousands of us who play rotisserie.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
I absolutely could not disagree more. Total points or salary cap incorporate much more skill. It seems to be common sense IMO. There can be so much variation when picking one player to do well in one given week depending on the team's game plan, the opponent, etc. However, if you can identify a player or players who you think will do well over the course of the season, luck will become less of a factor.
This format seems to incorproate more luck than any other format I've seen. I don't know about the payouts and you may be right in that this is much better than other high stakes league in payout percentages and that is definitely something that should be strongly considered but if I'm joining a high stakes league I choose one where luck is less of a factor.
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diesel7982
Footballguy
Well this is not so much true...predicting league-wide player performance on a week-to-week basis is something that with time and research can incorporate alot of skill, but the fact that FFTOC completely takes out any of the ability to predict a players season-long performance makes it half a game in my opinion.Example: Last year on this board in August, I was all over Kevin Curtis as a top 30 WR, Edge as a top 5 RB, Carson Palmer as a top 8 QB...what advantage does that give me in FFTOC over someone who thought theyd be horrible or wouldnt perform to those standards? Absolutely none.
While I think any good skillful game incorporates alot of week-to-week decisions from a large pool of NFL players, the fact that there is no gain from having any knowledge prior to the season of the players makes it, as I said before, half a game.
Half of a poorly run, lottery-like, game.
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David Dodds
Administrator
The CDM game is skilled I agree, but what are the payouts? Same can be said for the Sporting News contest (which I love). They are clearly negative expected value games. and I personally think the learning curve on many of the salary cap games are actually more complex. So yes I have played them, but unless they pay a higher percentage back, those games have zero interest to me.I think we disagree on the 4 week thing. It's not a season, but a lot of the decisions you made during the season impact this time (because players are not available). Additionally, we have this structured so you can double your money by beating 5 others. This keeps the payout below the IRS level of $600. So in our format the only people paying taxes won the huge prizes.We were not involved in 2004. The debacle you are referring to I believe was this format attempted to fill a lot of seats at $600. It did not and the FFTOC returned all the monies. The FFTOC then had a $50 contest where all the prize money was returned. We believe the time wasn't quite right yet. We don't have any minimums set here. All of these contests will happen in 2006.
David Dodds
Administrator
We are aware this game is not for everyone. Simply don't play it. Just like the site's content, etc.
Joe and I think we have the fairest way to play. If you don't, simply pass. It's that easy.
Joe and I think we have the fairest way to play. If you don't, simply pass. It's that easy.
Davej626
5.56 solves all
Hey Dave, Joe.
First congrads on the new addition. I didn't see that before, but seriously and first, congrads.
Next, you suck. No, only kidding (and getting your attention). I realize that this is going to take man hours to run/supervise/protect your investment. Can you tell us if this will cut into the time and dedication that it takes to make FBG's the #1 site? Is there going to be more of the FFTOC-related articles, topics, emails about this than before? My concern is that if you have 10k users here, and only 1k of them sign up for FFTOC, are you going to provide them information in that format at the expense of the other 9k users that are not using this format? With that said, I realize that you do not do this now, but, as far as I know, you didn't have a business reason to do so.
For an example, Sony starts the Betamax video recorders business (or buys the business). Sony, wanting to pump up the betamax business, soon only releases videos in Beta format. People that own vcrs are in trouble if they want to watch a Sony video. Do you see my point? I just want to make sure that your format will not be tweaked to one particular (FFTOC or otherwise) format.
Thanks for listening. Can't you go back to when there were the first lucky 1000 users on this site? Oh well...
First congrads on the new addition. I didn't see that before, but seriously and first, congrads.
Next, you suck. No, only kidding (and getting your attention). I realize that this is going to take man hours to run/supervise/protect your investment. Can you tell us if this will cut into the time and dedication that it takes to make FBG's the #1 site? Is there going to be more of the FFTOC-related articles, topics, emails about this than before? My concern is that if you have 10k users here, and only 1k of them sign up for FFTOC, are you going to provide them information in that format at the expense of the other 9k users that are not using this format? With that said, I realize that you do not do this now, but, as far as I know, you didn't have a business reason to do so.
For an example, Sony starts the Betamax video recorders business (or buys the business). Sony, wanting to pump up the betamax business, soon only releases videos in Beta format. People that own vcrs are in trouble if they want to watch a Sony video. Do you see my point? I just want to make sure that your format will not be tweaked to one particular (FFTOC or otherwise) format.
Thanks for listening. Can't you go back to when there were the first lucky 1000 users on this site? Oh well...
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diesel7982
Footballguy
Be assured I won't, I just dont want anyone else on this board buying their $50 lottery ticket and thinking they have a good chance at winning or having a great experience playing the game.
David Dodds
Administrator
Fair question. We will have some articles on it, but the way the roles and responsibilities are allocated, Greg Alan does the heavy lifting of the management of this thing. We essentially are the marketing arm (we have the email, busy website, etc). We have always added people when we needed to. This will be no different at all. What do have....about 40 people on staff? This changes nothing going forward. It's a separate venture that as owners we are 100% behind.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
We get your point & I happen to agree with you.Let people make their own decisions.....just like you and I made ours. I'm sure no one tells you how to spend your own money
diesel7982
Footballguy
Just providing what I think is a fair counterpoint. Im sure David and Joe would want this type of discussion here.We get your point & I happen to agree with you.Let people make their own decisions.....just like you and I made ours. I'm sure no one tells you how to spend your own money
Hi diesel,You are 100% wrong if you think it's some sort of "lottery ticket" or that we won't do everything in our power to make sure folks have not just a great but a fantastic experience playing this game. If you don't like the contest, that's cool. Just pass as David said.
But know that we'll put everything we can towards making sure people love playing this game and continue to play year after year. It'll be just like everything else we do.
TIA.
J
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
I personally think the old FBG salary cap contest was a lot more skill then the FFTOC. However, injuries often determined your fate over the coarse of the season.
I would love to see the old FBC come back with a (5 roster move limit)over the coarse of the regular season or something like that to offset injuries. It could revolve into a high stakes league over time. With similar payout and division formatt like FFTOC. Just an idea but ADD a 5 transaction limit staying within salary cap limits.
I would love to see the old FBC come back with a (5 roster move limit)over the coarse of the regular season or something like that to offset injuries. It could revolve into a high stakes league over time. With similar payout and division formatt like FFTOC. Just an idea but ADD a 5 transaction limit staying within salary cap limits.
diesel7982
Footballguy
I didnt hear any reasoning Joe.When I compared FFTOC to the more "skillful" games on the market, all David brought up was that the payouts were better for FFTOC, ignoring the question of is FFTOC the "most skillful" game, as it advertises itself to be.
Tell me this, if you were playing in a draft league, would you be cool with the final outcome being determined over 4 weeks? Would you be cool with the impact ONE injury can have on your final outcome? Would you be cool with Billy Volek determining who won the game(as happened in the 2004 version)?
A 4 week championship for better or worse is a lottery ticket, and I havent seen one argument from you guys yet to address that fact.
Why isnt it a 16 week game?
Yes, I am cool with all that.I don't know anyone who calls a four week championship a "lottery ticket". I guess you could if you wanted to call the playoffs for every major sport a lottery ticket.
Regardless, this is how we're going to do it. If this works for folks, they'll give it a shot. If it doesn't, they won't. No worries there.
J
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Hi Diesel,I've heard you mention this before and I'm not really sure what it means. Can you give me a brief overview of Rotisserie Football? How is it different from the normal H2H leagues you see around here?
Thanks!
It is a 16-week game though, isn't it?. Smart owners will save enough studs to use during the playoffs rather than burning them up early on. You have to make strategy decisions all the time about when to use players...if you use them early on, you increase your chances of making the playoffs, but could hurt your chances once you get there. If you wait too long on a player, that guy might wind up injured.also, this is a really important point made by David that seems worth repeating:
