FBG Consensus TOP 200--> RB 13 thru 16 (1 Viewer)

[UFO]

OK I am looking at the consensus top 200 and after Dom Davis at RB 12 I see a lot of questions. I feel this area of the draft could make or break many fantasy seasons. I am looking to start some further analysis here.

Kind of like the close call threads I have seen in the past but let’s look at a range of RBs 13-16. Give your thoughts about this group and how you would tank them. Here is mine

Willis McGahee: Hear a good quote somewhere about his fantasy value, people either love or hate him, the people that love him will take him in the first round the people that hate him hate to see him available in the 2nd. Personally I think he had an off year and still was not terrible. I think the team gave up and McGahee was one of the first to the mail it in party. Maybe new coaching staff, some improvement will get him back to 2004 form.

Rueben Droughns: I feel Droughns could be the safest of this group. The guy put up 1600 yards on a terrible team that had not had a 1000 yard rusher since hair bands were hot. He also catches the ball well. The concern is TD production. I am not so much concerned about last year (he had limited scoring opportunities) but go back to 2004 in Denver when he also had a big yardage year but scored a really low amount of TDs on a Den offense where just about every RB gets double digit TDs. I would be willing to give him a shot as my #2, the organization obviously has confidence in him and it looks like Suggs will be gone.

Westbrook: I think he could have a huge year receiving with TO gone. Has performed every year. Every year I see him there and pass on him thinking he is too small and will certainly get banged up but he proves me wrong every year.

Julius Jones: I really really like Julius Jones, he has come up huge when healthy and the thing is his injuries have been pretty big fluke things (not a hammy one week, bruised knee or turf toe the next) broken bones and severe high ankle sprain. I love a RB on a parcells team but injuries and MBIII have me scared.

Kevin Jones: Talk about the ultimate tease. Guy has showed some big time talent (I know it was against a bunch of terrible D's in 2004) but none the less I believe he is a talent and like McGahee just got frustrated with the constant RBBC Marriuci employed. Could KJ develop into a better pass catcher or will he also be part of a RBBC this year. Drafting the RB (forget his name) that can catch balls does not have me confident.

 

[nygiants56]

OK I am looking at the consensus top 200 and after Dom Davis at RB 12 I see a lot of questions.  I feel this area of the draft could make or break many fantasy seasons. I am looking to start some further analysis here.

Kind of like the close call threads I have seen in the past but let’s look at a range of RBs 13-16. Give your thoughts about this group and how you would tank them. Here is mine

Willis McGahee: Hear a good quote somewhere about his fantasy value, people either love or hate him, the people that love him will take him in the first round the people that hate him hate to see him available in the 2nd. Personally I think he had an off year and still was not terrible. I think the team gave up and McGahee was one of the first to the mail it in party. Maybe new coaching staff, some improvement will get him back to 2004 form.

Rueben Droughns: I feel Droughns could be the safest of this group. The guy put up 1600 yards on a terrible team that had not had a 1000 yard rusher since hair bands were hot. He also catches the ball well. The concern is TD production. I am not so much concerned about last year (he had limited scoring opportunities) but go back to 2004 in Denver when he also had a big yardage year but scored a really low amount of TDs on a Den offense where just about every RB gets double digit TDs. I would be willing to give him a shot as my #2, the organization obviously has confidence in him and it looks like Suggs will be gone.

Westbrook: I think he could have a huge year receiving with TO gone. Has performed every year. Every year I see him there and pass on him thinking he is too small and will certainly get banged up but he proves me wrong every year.

Julius Jones: I really really like Julius Jones, he has come up huge when healthy and the thing is his injuries have been pretty big fluke things (not a hammy one week, bruised knee or turf toe the next) broken bones and severe high ankle sprain. I love a RB on a parcells team but injuries and MBIII have me scared.

Kevin Jones: Talk about the ultimate tease. Guy has showed some big time talent (I know it was against a bunch of terrible D's in 2004) but none the less I believe he is a talent and like McGahee just got frustrated with the constant RBBC Marriuci employed. Could KJ develop into a better pass catcher or will he also be part of a RBBC this year. Drafting the RB (forget his name) that can catch balls does not have me confident.

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i'm in a league that give pts for every 15 rec. yards, not ppr..unless you're in a ppr, westbrook has little value, imo.he doesn't run the ball much...can't you put warrick dunn in his place? dunn is so much better as a fantasy RB..

the rest of the list is great!

kj is a sleeper..droughns is as solid as they come..

 

[LTsharks]

OK I am looking at the consensus top 200 and after Dom Davis at RB 12 I see a lot of questions.  I feel this area of the draft could make or break many fantasy seasons. I am looking to start some further analysis here.

Kind of like the close call threads I have seen in the past but let’s look at a range of RBs 13-16. Give your thoughts about this group and how you would tank them. Here is mine

Willis McGahee: Hear a good quote somewhere about his fantasy value, people either love or hate him, the people that love him will take him in the first round the people that hate him hate to see him available in the 2nd. Personally I think he had an off year and still was not terrible. I think the team gave up and McGahee was one of the first to the mail it in party. Maybe new coaching staff, some improvement will get him back to 2004 form.

Rueben Droughns: I feel Droughns could be the safest of this group. The guy put up 1600 yards on a terrible team that had not had a 1000 yard rusher since hair bands were hot. He also catches the ball well. The concern is TD production. I am not so much concerned about last year (he had limited scoring opportunities) but go back to 2004 in Denver when he also had a big yardage year but scored a really low amount of TDs on a Den offense where just about every RB gets double digit TDs. I would be willing to give him a shot as my #2, the organization obviously has confidence in him and it looks like Suggs will be gone.

Westbrook: I think he could have a huge year receiving with TO gone. Has performed every year. Every year I see him there and pass on him thinking he is too small and will certainly get banged up but he proves me wrong every year.

Julius Jones: I really really like Julius Jones, he has come up huge when healthy and the thing is his injuries have been pretty big fluke things (not a hammy one week, bruised knee or turf toe the next) broken bones and severe high ankle sprain. I love a RB on a parcells team but injuries and MBIII have me scared.

Kevin Jones: Talk about the ultimate tease. Guy has showed some big time talent (I know it was against a bunch of terrible D's in 2004) but none the less I believe he is a talent and like McGahee just got frustrated with the constant RBBC Marriuci employed. Could KJ develop into a better pass catcher or will he also be part of a RBBC this year. Drafting the RB (forget his name) that can catch balls does not have me confident.

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i'm in a league that give pts for every 15 rec. yards, not ppr..unless you're in a ppr, westbrook has little value, imo.he doesn't run the ball much...can't you put warrick dunn in his place? dunn is so much better as a fantasy RB..

the rest of the list is great!

kj is a sleeper..droughns is as solid as they come..

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what a ridiculous statement. FBG scoring (not ppr):last 3 years:

Westbrook 532 fantasy points in 40 games (13.3/game)

Dunn 513 points in 43 games (11.9/game)

i'm sure the 1 pt per 15 rec hurts westbrook in your system as he gets close to half his yards that way, but most of us don't care how he gets those yards.

 

[10993]

You shouldn't be drafting any of them. Have to give up too high of a pick for too little reliability. The odds they collectively produce where they're drafted are not high--maybe one or two will, but not all of them. Better off taking Larry Fitzgerald or Chad Johnson in this slot, and waiting on RB.

 

[cws3030]

OK I am looking at the consensus top 200 and after Dom Davis at RB 12 I see a lot of questions.  I feel this area of the draft could make or break many fantasy seasons. I am looking to start some further analysis here.

Kind of like the close call threads I have seen in the past but let’s look at a range of RBs 13-16. Give your thoughts about this group and how you would tank them. Here is mine

Willis McGahee: Hear a good quote somewhere about his fantasy value, people either love or hate him, the people that love him will take him in the first round the people that hate him hate to see him available in the 2nd. Personally I think he had an off year and still was not terrible. I think the team gave up and McGahee was one of the first to the mail it in party. Maybe new coaching staff, some improvement will get him back to 2004 form.

Rueben Droughns: I feel Droughns could be the safest of this group. The guy put up 1600 yards on a terrible team that had not had a 1000 yard rusher since hair bands were hot. He also catches the ball well. The concern is TD production. I am not so much concerned about last year (he had limited scoring opportunities) but go back to 2004 in Denver when he also had a big yardage year but scored a really low amount of TDs on a Den offense where just about every RB gets double digit TDs. I would be willing to give him a shot as my #2, the organization obviously has confidence in him and it looks like Suggs will be gone.

Westbrook: I think he could have a huge year receiving with TO gone. Has performed every year. Every year I see him there and pass on him thinking he is too small and will certainly get banged up but he proves me wrong every year.

Julius Jones: I really really like Julius Jones, he has come up huge when healthy and the thing is his injuries have been pretty big fluke things (not a hammy one week, bruised knee or turf toe the next) broken bones and severe high ankle sprain. I love a RB on a parcells team but injuries and MBIII have me scared.

Kevin Jones: Talk about the ultimate tease. Guy has showed some big time talent (I know it was against a bunch of terrible D's in 2004) but none the less I believe he is a talent and like McGahee just got frustrated with the constant RBBC Marriuci employed. Could KJ develop into a better pass catcher or will he also be part of a RBBC this year. Drafting the RB (forget his name) that can catch balls does not have me confident.

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i'm in a league that give pts for every 15 rec. yards, not ppr..unless you're in a ppr, westbrook has little value, imo.he doesn't run the ball much...can't you put warrick dunn in his place? dunn is so much better as a fantasy RB..

the rest of the list is great!

kj is a sleeper..droughns is as solid as they come..

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what a ridiculous statement. FBG scoring (not ppr):last 3 years:

Westbrook 532 fantasy points in 40 games (13.3/game)

Dunn 513 points in 43 games (11.9/game)

i'm sure the 1 pt per 15 rec hurts westbrook in your system as he gets close to half his yards that way, but most of us don't care how he gets those yards.

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last 2 yearsunn 381

Westy 370

and throw in you can draft dunn a few rounds later i'd say it wasn't a ridiculous statement at all.

 

[Knowlt]

I would only be comfortable with Westbrook as a #3 or maybe #2 guy. True, he has put up big numbers when healthy, but the last 3 years he has not been playing during the most important fantasy weeks either due to injury or rest for playoffs.

KJones is also scary. Marinelli comes in and proclaims a pound it out tough style of football (which I don't believe KJ can stay healthy in), but then hires Martz as OC with his greatest show on turf offense. Which will it be? If it is pound it out, KJ won't last. If it is open it up, early reports say Calhoun is expected to work in the slot possibly, and Bryson always steals 3rd down/passing play touches.

 

[JaxBill]

I hope people keep knocking Westbrook. Both Reid and Mornhinweg have talked about running the ball more. From the Eagles' website:

Mornhinweg is well aware of what the critics are saying. Where is the No. 1 receiver? Are the Eagles good enough at fullback? Are they big enough at halfback?

"I feel very, very good about this offense," said Mornhinweg.

The man comes from years of success. His 49ers offenses from 1997 through 2000 were fantastic, with a wonderful blend of the running game and the passing game. Then there were tough times in Detroit as a head coach before his arrival in Philadelphia -- and since then it's been more good things happening with the offense.

The Eagles are going to run the football more in 2006 than they did in 2005, and they're going to do it behind a line that is bigger, deeper, more athletic. It's a powerful group up front. And while the Eagles will be running with Westbrook and Moats, not your typical 225-pound bulls, but rather shorter, shiftier, speedier backs.

"If you research my background, the last time I was a coordinator we led the league in rushing twice and we were up there the other two years and we threw the ball very well on top of that," he said. "We'll have some new wrinkles this year, but I want to have more consistency. We want the big play, and certainly we've been pretty good at that, but that consistency in some of those eight-, 10-, 12-, 14-play drives is something we're striving for."

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/new...il.jsp?id=48178

 

[UFO]

OK lets get back to the initial question

 

[glock]

Below are the Top 12 RB's as currently listed by the FBG staff:

1 Larry Johnson

2 LaDainian Tomlinson

3 Shaun Alexander

4 Clinton Portis

5 Tiki Barber

6 Lamont Jordan

7 Ronnie Brown

8 Edgerrin James

9 Steven Jackson

10 Cadillac Williams

11 Domanick Davis

12 Rudi Johnson

If tomorrow were draft day, those bolded would have a very good chance of being kept in our 12 team/15 position $200 auction cap keeper league, starting 2RBs, .5/rec. That's right- ALL OF THEM!

We just moved back up to 12 teams after 2 seasons at 10. With 2 new owners and their full $200 to spend at auction, the premium placed on RB 13-20 could result in some really skewed price tags.

Nailing down a solid RB1 for several teams will prove to be a real challenge, and a RB2 should prove to be verry interesting for most.

 

[Wade]

I rank them as follows [guys in brackets are RBs I think you left out]:

W.McGahee - His yards per touch were down last year, as were his touchdowns, but you have to like a RB who is 25 years old, is 6'0", 228 lbs, and had 350 touches last season. He will be the workhorse for the Bills' offense.

[W.Parker] - Used to have him ranked higher, but conversations on this board convinced me that he likely won't have the chance at 10 TDs; still, his opportunity on a top running team cannot be ignored.

B.Westbrook - I've been able to draft this player in almost every mock in which I've participated thus far this offseason; yes, he's small (5'8", 203 lbs); no, he hasn't played a full 16 games in any of his first four seasons; but he has a four year average of 4.5 yards per carry, 9.7 yards per reception, and -- not counting his rookie season where he only had 55 touches -- he averages 9 TDs per season to go with his 1200 total yards.

[C.Taylor] - The best new opportunity for a RB in the league this year (aside from Ronnie Brown); the Vikings added the tools to have an improved running game, and I expect they'll use them.

R.Droughns - Some concerns about the offense he's stuck in...they ranked 26th in rushing attemps, 25th in rushing yards, and 31st in rushing TDs last season; despite that, I want any RB that's going to get 350 touches like Droughns did last season.

J.Jones - I am concerned about Marion Barber, but I imagine Jones will get the bulk of carries until he gets hurt or proves he cannot handle it. The Cowboys had the 5th most rushing attempts in the league last year, and despite the arrival of Owens, I doubt that'll drop out of the top-10 this year.

[D.Rhodes] - In 2001 he carried the Colts running game, rushing for 4.7 yards per carry and 9 TDs. I think he'll get the bulk of the carries in the Colts RBBC this season, if only because he can be trusted to block when Manning audibles from run to pass to run to pass.

[J.Lewis] - Not quite done yet...he's only 27 years old, and I see letting C.Taylor go as a strong commentary on Lewis' health; you don't bring in a 33 year old M.Anderson if you don't think Lewis can carry your running game.

[T.Jones] - Despite rookie C.Benson's expectations (or perhaps in spite of them), Jones got 340 touches in the Bears' running game last year. At 28 years old, I think he has at least one more strong year left...and he did blast out 4.3 yards per carry on 314 carries last year; I was impressed.

[R.Dayne] - Someone has to get the points in Denver...

[A.Green] - At 29 years old, this might be Ahman's last viable fantasy year...he's only one year removed from 4.5 yards per carry and 300 touches...they re-signed him for a reason...Maybe they want to run the ball a bit more this year, and not leave Favre so exposed?

[W.Dunn] - At 30 years old, I don't know how he ran for 5.1 yards per carry on 280 carries, but it tells me he still has the will and the health to be a RB2 / RB3 for at least one more season.

[C.Dillon] - The Patriots are a powerful offense, and in a poor 2005 year, Dillon did manage 900 total yards and 13 total TDs in 12 games...the fresh legs behind him will make it easier to rest him throughout the season, but when it is time to score, he'll definitely be in there. I don't think 1000 total yards and 10-12 TDs is out of the question.

[R.Bush] - Don't know where to rank this guy...

[L.White] - My gut says that by week eight White will be the 1st and 2nd down RB in Tennessee.

[F.Gore] - Not that I want to draft any 49ers, but Gore looks like the best candidate to get the RB fantasy points in San Francisco...and he's only 23 years old.

K.Jones - I have Kevin Jones wayyyyy down here...I don't like his situation; he hasn't proven much in his first two years...I don't like that he's having trouble distancing himself from elite runners like S.Bryson and A.Pinner...I don't like two new QBs, a new O-Coordinator, and a team being poorly run on most levels...I guess I just don't like Detroit. I'll pass on his potential and take C.Dillon instead.