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I AM, however, interested in obliterating your crummy little roster of has-been's, never-will-bes, overrated chumps, and crackpots with my roster of Resident *** Kickers. I don't draft for value. I draft for a set of FOOTBALL PLAYERS from the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE that make you wish I wasn't on your schedule. I draft to put together a team that makes you say, "We may have a nice run, but when we have to play Team HERD, we should go on and pack our bags and get the hell off of his island." Rest assured, I'll draft some guy and you'll say, "My cheatsheet says he's not worth such a high pick" and then he'll go on and reel off a rookie of the year season. And then I'll do it again and again and again, until suddenly you wonder in your best grown-up voice, "How much do we get for second place?"
I was going to submit my application to Unlucky to be part of the team, but I've changed my mind now. I'm too scared. I'm intimidated. I'm petrified. I think the pressure would be too great. I'd probably have a meltdown and draft Bubby Brister as my QB. I think I'll stick to posing as a 12 year old and winning Terry Cannon's kiddie leagues. :P
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I'm better at drafting than I am at trash-talking, but I do have this to say: I expect my team to do pretty well. No joking, I really do. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. :football:

 
As we make this little league "official", there's a couple things you need to know about me.

- I'm not interested in winning. So much of Fantasy Football IS indeed "random chance" and nothing sucks worse than having a team of really good players meet another team of really good players in week 16 and having one of you win (and the other lose) because some random guy ran one in from the 1. Blah. I'm not interested.

- I AM, however, interested in obliterating your crummy little roster of has-been's, never-will-bes, overrated chumps, and crackpots with my roster of Resident *** Kickers. I don't draft for value. I draft for a set of FOOTBALL PLAYERS from the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE that make you wish I wasn't on your schedule. I draft to put together a team that makes you say, "We may have a nice run, but when we have to play Team HERD, we should go on and pack our bags and get the hell off of his island." Rest assured, I'll draft some guy and you'll say, "My cheatsheet says he's not worth such a high pick" and then he'll go on and reel off a rookie of the year season. And then I'll do it again and again and again, until suddenly you wonder in your best grown-up voice, "How much do we get for second place?"

Good day, gents.

Colin
Someone's elevator doesn't go to the top floor. This is the kind of talk that gets you bounced in week 2. :rotflmao: when this happens. Smith - the only domination you'll be doing is of the guy in your basement with the little red ball in his mouth. Unlucky - give me a sword buddy. Please.

 
I'm better at drafting than I am at trash-talking, but I do have this to say: I expect my team to do pretty well. No joking, I really do. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. :football:
Ease up there MT. It's a long time until June 5th.
 
I'm better at drafting than I am at trash-talking, but I do have this to say: I expect my team to do pretty well. No joking, I really do. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. :football:
Quick - Somebody hold MT back. He's going crazy. :rotflmao:
 
Someone's elevator doesn't go to the top floor. This is the kind of talk that gets you bounced in week 2.  when this happens.
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it."Colin
Just like you said in your little high-school basketball rant. It can all be taken away in an instant. POOF! Where's Herd?
 
If the message board minions are able to proverbially "break my wrist" in this contest, it will be because I deserve to lose...However, I am indeed glad that my basketball rant left an impression. :thumbup: Colin

 
I expect my team to do pretty well. No joking, I really do. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. :football:
Just like last year?RB T. Barber NYG - 22%RB C. Garner OAK - 18% :excited: ;)
Well, I came in fourth last year in terms of being booted off, but I think I did better than that in total points.
 
Wow, that truly is an all-star squad.Culcasi:They don't even let him do an "expert" projection on the site. What's that tell you?Dodds:Isn't this guy responsible for the web site?Here's what's been listed under "site map" for the last 17 years or so:"To aid with navigation of Footballguys.com, a fully featured sitemap will debut soon. " I expect Dodds' contributions to the survivor league to display about the same level of effectiveness.Dowling:This guy's biggest claim to fame is a an online feud with some joker named Dman. I'm not sure, but I think he lost the feud. Hope that "experience" helps him with his draft.Gray:Mahjong??? Mahjong?!!? Oh and he's a former math teacher from ARKANSAS. Have you ever seen the generalized math test scores from Arkansas? It ain't pretty folks. Tip to the FBG team - don't let Gray do any statistical analysis for you.Maxwell:Maxwell ain't smart. Get it? Is my material too dated for you younger yahoos?Rudnicki:Where are they GETTING these guys? You know what's even scarier for the FBG team than NOT letting Culcasi do an expert projection? The fact that they DID let this guy do one. Are you kidding me?Shick:He can add all the puncuation to the end of his name that he wants, but it isn't going to help him overcome the simple lack of FF knowledge he has consistently displayed. I guess we can expect Chad Johnson to go in the 1st round of our draft.Smith:Based on his rankings, his drafting skill will be about as impressive and noteworthy as his name. Edge at #5 overall? What, have you been in a coma for 3 years? Welcome to 2004 my friend.Stuart:This one is just too easy. This guy couldn't be more of a homer if he had it engraved on his bowling ball. Tell you what, if Vinny Intercepteverde (who is Canton-bound and better than Manning) ends up in Dallas, expect to see him drafted EARLY.Tremblay:Fantastic - an attorney! I LOVE attorneys, and you guys will NEED one after paying us all that money forces you to file chapter 11. Are you guys just ROLLING in dough that you want to just give it away like that?Wood:Jason seems to work on the blind squirrel finding a nut theory. He blathers on and on about things he really has no clue about in hopes that he might turn out to be right once in a while. Good luck with THAT approach in this league.Yudkin:Riiiiight, this guy was a schlep like the rest of us a month or two ago and all of the sudden he's a HOFer? We'll see.All in all, I think it's safe to say we're not frightened. Look on the bright side FBG, SOMEBODY from your half of the draw has to get at least 7th. Maybe you could shoot for getting one of these yahoos to 6th, but try to keep your expectations reasonable.

 
As we make this little league "official", there's a couple things you need to know about me.

- I'm not interested in winning. So much of Fantasy Football IS indeed "random chance" and nothing sucks worse than having a team of really good players meet another team of really good players in week 16 and having one of you win (and the other lose) because some random guy ran one in from the 1. Blah. I'm not interested.

- I AM, however, interested in obliterating your crummy little roster of has-been's, never-will-bes, overrated chumps, and crackpots with my roster of Resident *** Kickers. I don't draft for value. I draft for a set of FOOTBALL PLAYERS from the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE that make you wish I wasn't on your schedule. I draft to put together a team that makes you say, "We may have a nice run, but when we have to play Team HERD, we should go on and pack our bags and get the hell off of his island." Rest assured, I'll draft some guy and you'll say, "My cheatsheet says he's not worth such a high pick" and then he'll go on and reel off a rookie of the year season. And then I'll do it again and again and again, until suddenly you wonder in your best grown-up voice, "How much do we get for second place?"

Good day, gents.

Colin
Good writing and I was smiling all the way through. However, I was driving home from work today thinking about FBg's and the message board in general. For some reason, Herd came to mind. What I remember a lot of last year Herd was you talking about Hollings from Houston. When you read that name, does it read to you like fingernails being raked down a chalkboard? :yes: Anyways, I hope to get a chance at you and the others from this board this year. If not, then maybe next, or the next or the next......

Either way, I'll still be here, Go Cowboys!!

 
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Wow, that truly is an all-star squad.Culcasi:They don't even let him do an "expert" projection on the site. What's that tell you?Dodds:Isn't this guy responsible for the web site?Here's what's been listed under "site map" for the last 17 years or so:"To aid with navigation of Footballguys.com, a fully featured sitemap will debut soon. " I expect Dodds' contributions to the survivor league to display about the same level of effectiveness.Dowling:This guy's biggest claim to fame is a an online feud with some joker named Dman. I'm not sure, but I think he lost the feud. Hope that "experience" helps him with his draft.Gray:Mahjong??? Mahjong?!!? Oh and he's a former math teacher from ARKANSAS. Have you ever seen the generalized math test scores from Arkansas? It ain't pretty folks. Tip to the FBG team - don't let Gray do any statistical analysis for you.Maxwell:Maxwell ain't smart. Get it? Is my material too dated for you younger yahoos?Rudnicki:Where are they GETTING these guys? You know what's even scarier for the FBG team than NOT letting Culcasi do an expert projection? The fact that they DID let this guy do one. Are you kidding me?Shick:He can add all the puncuation to the end of his name that he wants, but it isn't going to help him overcome the simple lack of FF knowledge he has consistently displayed. I guess we can expect Chad Johnson to go in the 1st round of our draft.Smith:Based on his rankings, his drafting skill will be about as impressive and noteworthy as his name. Edge at #5 overall? What, have you been in a coma for 3 years? Welcome to 2004 my friend.Stuart:This one is just too easy. This guy couldn't be more of a homer if he had it engraved on his bowling ball. Tell you what, if Vinny Intercepteverde (who is Canton-bound and better than Manning) ends up in Dallas, expect to see him drafted EARLY.Tremblay:Fantastic - an attorney! I LOVE attorneys, and you guys will NEED one after paying us all that money forces you to file chapter 11. Are you guys just ROLLING in dough that you want to just give it away like that?Wood:Jason seems to work on the blind squirrel finding a nut theory. He blathers on and on about things he really has no clue about in hopes that he might turn out to be right once in a while. Good luck with THAT approach in this league.Yudkin:Riiiiight, this guy was a schlep like the rest of us a month or two ago and all of the sudden he's a HOFer? We'll see.All in all, I think it's safe to say we're not frightened. Look on the bright side FBG, SOMEBODY from your half of the draw has to get at least 7th. Maybe you could shoot for getting one of these yahoos to 6th, but try to keep your expectations reasonable.
Now that is trash talk.Well Done. :thumbup:
 
Here's our squad.Shawn CulcasiDavid DoddsColin DowlingClayton GrayKen MaxwellAaron RudnickiDavid ShickChris SmithChase StuartMaurile TremblayJason WoodDavid Yudkin Mike Anderson (alternate/strategist) :boxing: :boxing: :boxing: :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:
Where's the big dog himself??? Afraid of a dozen message board pozers (posters)?Say it isn't so, Joe!
 
What I remember a lot of last year Herd was you talking about Hollings from Houston. When you read that name, does it read to you like fingernails being raked down a chalkboard?
Not at all. A guy I thought was a good find on the waiver wire in week 4 or 5 didn't pan out. No harm, no foul. ;) I actually prefer to make such bold predictions, because sometimes they pan out. It sure beats wondering who has more value, Lamont Jordan or Labrandon Toefield.Colin
 
I'm better at drafting than I am at trash-talking...

So put that in your pipe and smoke it....
OK, Maurile... I know you are a good Christian boy, but even YOU can learn to trash-talk. I'll help you. It's like anything else; you start with a foundation, then you build from there. Let's begin with your basic :yucky: attempt to trash-talk. I'll give you credit for trying anyway. Oh boy. So here's your foundation:"So put that in your pipe and smoke it."

Now, that sounds like something our grandfathers would say. We need to ramp up to the 21st century. Who smokes pipes today? That's right, crack addicts. Thus:

"So put that in your crack-pipe and smoke it."

But 'smoke it' is dull and ordinary, and not edgy at all, so you change it up a bit:

"So put that in your crack-pipe and choke on it."

OK, so now at least you got 'em choking. But who are you talking to? The gents at the club? No. The inferior riff raff you plan to stomp, right? So you punctuate the sentence with a bit of namecalling which demonstrates an air of mental superiority:

"So put that in your crack-pipe and choke on it, simpletons."

Trouble is, there's no punch to the beginning of the sentence. You want to start strong and finish strong. 'So put that' just doesn't get it done. Perhaps:

"Stuff it in your crack-pipe and choke on it, simpletons."

I do respect that you are a Godly man, Maurile, but you can pretend to swear without actually swearing. That's a beauty of typing versus talking. So let's add a little spice to the trash you're talking and add some swearing symbols here and there:

"Stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons."

And as I said, start strong, finish strong. An authoritative command at the beginning and an exclamation point at the end would help:

"Hey, I'm telling you to stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons!"

Finally, the use of bold and italics is always a nice touch:

"Hey, I'm telling you to stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons!"

So you see Maurile, trash-talking is easy. It just takes a little bit of planning. You can turn a wimpy little "So put that in your pipe and smoke it" into a much more fun "Hey, I'm telling you to stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons!" without hardly breaking a sweat.

Practice, Maurile, and you too can become an irritating trash-talker. You haven't arrived unless you can properly annoy people. Good luck!

 
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Gray:Mahjong??? Mahjong?!!? Oh and he's a former math teacher from ARKANSAS. Have you ever seen the generalized math test scores from Arkansas? It ain't pretty folks. Tip to the FBG team - don't let Gray do any statistical analysis for you.
Interesting new Mahjong and Arkansas material. :sleep:
All in all, I think it's safe to say we're not frightened. Look on the bright side FBG, SOMEBODY from your half of the draw has to get at least 7th. Maybe you could shoot for getting one of these yahoos to 6th, but try to keep your expectations reasonable.
Actually, if you can find someone to read the rules to you, the top four from each league advance to the finals. So, not only is it possible for the MB to get shut out of the Top 8, but it's likely.
 
Thanks for the tips, Couch Potato! :thumbup: I'll keep practicing, and maybe by June 5 I'll be able to lay the *#^$@ smack down on some people's rears. Okey, dokey! :boxing:

 
Rest assured, I'll draft some guy and you'll say, "My cheatsheet says he's not worth such a high pick" and then he'll go on and reel off a rookie of the year season.
Well if everyone else's cheatsheet says the guy wasn't worth that high of a pick, then you didn't get very good value, did you? Even if he is the ROY.
Pretty solid point. I mean, if I COULD get LT2 in the 3rd round, wouldn't I take him there if I COULD. So why REACH on anyone???
 
Gray:Mahjong???  Mahjong?!!?  Oh and he's a former math teacher from ARKANSAS.  Have you ever seen the generalized math test scores from Arkansas?  It ain't pretty folks.  Tip to the FBG team - don't let Gray do any statistical analysis for you.
Interesting new Mahjong and Arkansas material. :sleep:
All in all, I think it's safe to say we're not frightened.  Look on the bright side FBG, SOMEBODY from your half of the draw has to get at least 7th.  Maybe you could shoot for getting one of these yahoos to 6th, but try to keep your expectations reasonable.
Actually, if you can find someone to read the rules to you, the top four from each league advance to the finals. So, not only is it possible for the MB to get shut out of the Top 8, but it's likely.
OK, I knew Mahjong had been covered already, but has someone really beaten me to generalized math test scores from Arkansas? If so, bravo, but I haven't seen it.As for the "finals" vs 7th place: I thought the fact that you yahoos aren't even going to come close to making the "finals" was understood. The best any of you could realistically hope for would be to manage a smidge higher that the theoretical minimum of 7th in your DIVISION, which is what I was discussing.Oh and rest assured I CAN read, although when perusing the site for meaningful football analysis from the likes of the guys the staff has put together to represent them, I often wonder whether it is really worth doing so.
 
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Thanks for the tips, Couch Potato! :thumbup: I'll keep practicing, and maybe by June 5 I'll be able to lay the *#^$@ smack down on some people's rears. Okey, dokey! :boxing:
Maurile,Don't know you buddy, but if you're the Christian Boy they claim you to be, cling to your guns. It's not trash talking that gets you the trophy/money anyway. In fact, I like to stay away from it and go under the radar. They won't know what the heck hit em!In fact, you ever been in a league where the first 5 weeks or so there's so much trash talk you can hardly keep up with it. Then in week 13, and 14 it's like a ghostown and all those guys are doing something else. Me too, lots of them. I actually take satisfaction in it.Is siding with an FBG bad?
 
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Smith - the only domination you'll be doing is of the guy in your basement with the little red ball in his mouth. Unlucky - give me a sword buddy. Please.
You told me to use the blue ball this time. Did you change your mind this week? :boxing:
 
I thought he was a atheist. :confused:
Jeez, and you expect to get picked for the team and write analyses of your picks, Kleck? I before E, except after C. Except that weird is spelled weird.As far as the athiest stuff, I know from his Footballguys.com profile that he has a BA in Theology. Maybe I jumped to a conclusion and did an ###*U*ME thing? Dunno. :confused:
 
I'm better at drafting than I am at trash-talking...

So put that in your pipe and smoke it....
OK, Maurile... I know you are a good Christian boy, but even YOU can learn to trash-talk. I'll help you. It's like anything else; you start with a foundation, then you build from there. Let's begin with your basic :yucky: attempt to trash-talk. I'll give you credit for trying anyway. Oh boy. So here's your foundation:"So put that in your pipe and smoke it."

Now, that sounds like something our grandfathers would say. We need to ramp up to the 21st century. Who smokes pipes today? That's right, crack addicts. Thus:

"So put that in your crack-pipe and smoke it."

But 'smoke it' is dull and ordinary, and not edgy at all, so you change it up a bit:

"So put that in your crack-pipe and choke on it."

OK, so now at least you got 'em choking. But who are you talking to? The gents at the club? No. The inferior riff raff you plan to stomp, right? So you punctuate the sentence with a bit of namecalling which demonstrates an air of mental superiority:

"So put that in your crack-pipe and choke on it, simpletons."

Trouble is, there's no punch to the beginning of the sentence. You want to start strong and finish strong. 'So put that' just doesn't get it done. Perhaps:

"Stuff it in your crack-pipe and choke on it, simpletons."

I do respect that you are a Godly man, Maurile, but you can pretend to swear without actually swearing. That's a beauty of typing versus talking. So let's add a little spice to the trash you're talking and add some swearing symbols here and there:

"Stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons."

And as I said, start strong, finish strong. An authoritative command at the beginning and an exclamation point at the end would help:

"Hey, I'm telling you to stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons!"

Finally, the use of bold and italics is always a nice touch:

"Hey, I'm telling you to stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons!"

So you see Maurile, trash-talking is easy. It just takes a little bit of planning. You can turn a wimpy little "So put that in your pipe and smoke it" into a much more fun "Hey, I'm telling you to stuff it in your !@#$%&* crack-pipe and choke on it, you !@#$%&* simpletons!" without hardly breaking a sweat.

Practice, Maurile, and you too can become an irritating trash-talker. You haven't arrived unless you can properly annoy people. Good luck!
Now this is the POST of the day! :rotflmao:
 
I thought he was a atheist. :confused:
Jeez, and you expect to get picked for the team and write analyses of your picks, Kleck? I before E, except after C. Except that weird is spelled weird.As far as the athiest stuff, I know from his Footballguys.com profile that he has a BA in Theology. Maybe I jumped to a conclusion and did an ###*U*ME thing? Dunno. :confused:
Atheist ;)It's OK, but I should have used "an" instead of "a". He also likes to argue with creationists.
 
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I thought he was a atheist. :confused:
Jeez, and you expect to get picked for the team and write analyses of your picks, Kleck? I before E, except after C. Except that weird is spelled weird.As far as the athiest stuff, I know from his Footballguys.com profile that he has a BA in Theology. Maybe I jumped to a conclusion and did an ###*U*ME thing? Dunno. :confused:
Atheist ;)It's OK, but I should have used "an" instead of "a". He also likes to argue with creationists.
Stop backpedaling. "Atheist" means someone who's not religious. Athiest means most athi, which is clearly what you were trying to say.
 
Atheist ;)It's OK, but I should have used "an" instead of "a". He also likes to argue with creationists.
Kleck, buddy, you got me. Wow. I've been spelling that word wrong since I was a Tater Tot. I try to avoid learning something every day, but today I can't. Thanks. :JoeT:
 
OK, I knew Mahjong had been covered already, but has someone really beaten me to generalized math test scores from Arkansas? If so, bravo, but I haven't seen it.
None here, but that topic has been beaten to death by scores of other 'trash talkers'.
As for the "finals" vs 7th place: I thought the fact that you yahoos aren't even going to come close to making the "finals" was understood. The best any of you could realistically hope for would be to manage a smidge higher that the theoretical minimum of 7th in your DIVISION, which is what I was discussing.
I have obviously misunderestimated you. I rarely give much thought to preliminary matters and prefer to focus on finals and championships. I do feel for the four Dream Teamers that won't be able to make it out of the regular season.
Oh and rest assured I CAN read.
Good to see you making progress. :thumbup:
 
Atheist ;)It's OK, but I should have used "an" instead of "a". He also likes to argue with creationists.
Kleck, buddy, you got me. Wow. I've been spelling that word wrong since I was a Tater Tot. I try to avoid learning something every day, but today I can't. Thanks. :JoeT:
I only knew it because I had to look it up. :JoeT: Kleck = a worse speller than Drugrunner
 
who is in the league from the message board?
unlucky and 11 yet to be named unfortunates
I'm practicing my writing skills here before I go over to that scary thread where the floodlight is shining on me and I have to plead my case and grovel and bare my soul just to have a chance to be in the same draft as guys like Rudnicki and Dowling. I just realized how pathetic that is. Maybe I will be a Cannon kiddie instead.

 
who is in the league from the message board?
unlucky and 11 yet to be named unfortunates
I'm practicing my writing skills here before I go over to that scary thread where the floodlight is shining on me and I have to plead my case and grovel and bare my soul just to have a chance to be in the same draft as guys like Rudnicki and Dowling. I just realized how pathetic that is. Maybe I will be a Cannon kiddie instead.
If by 'pathetic' you mean 'finally having a goal in life', then I agree with you. :thumbup:
 
who is in the league from the message board?
unlucky and 11 yet to be named unfortunates
I'm practicing my writing skills here before I go over to that scary thread where the floodlight is shining on me and I have to plead my case and grovel and bare my soul just to have a chance to be in the same draft as guys like Rudnicki and Dowling. I just realized how pathetic that is. Maybe I will be a Cannon kiddie instead.
Not really pathetic, it just shows that you want it. I've read some of them who "think" they're in just because of being around for awhile and are relying on their past.To me, that's like when Reggie Jackson and Cal Ripken made the All-Star game in baseball towards the end of their career because of their names while young talent who deserved it didn't get in. I hated that and still do. I never rest on my laurels and pray I never start. Probably one of my better character traits as it helps keep a person sharp and edgey.

 
I'm practicing my writing skills here before I go over to that scary thread where the floodlight is shining on me and I have to plead my case and grovel and bare my soul just to have a chance to be in the same draft as guys like Rudnicki and Dowling.
glad you realize how fortunate you would be to get in the same league as the HERD and I. This is not an honor that should be bestowed upon just anybody. You must prove your worth with tales of dominance and then you may be rewarded with a chance to compete against the best of the best.you can do it. live the dream :thumbup: even if things don't work out and you are not one of the chosen few, at least you will be secure in the knowledge that you gave it your best effort. if you are selected, well then that's just another thing to add to your resume because not everybody gets a chance to get steamrolled by a dream team. :brush:
 
*taking another bow*... and wondering what I'm doing with my life... Oh man, this is sad...
lucky to be spending all your time here. you must not sleep eat or work. What a life you lead. Congrats!! wouldn't we all like the same life :yes:
 
Let's see. The Board screams to have Unlucky be their leader. We say OK. Mike is a nice guy. Then he posts that he needs until May 30th to pick his team. Hopefully he drafts faster than he reads. The draft is June 5th THIS YEAR.I expect by the time you guys actually figure out who is on your team, we will have completed about 20 mock drafts, designed a custom Draft Dominator, and solved World Hunger.Just like the real NFL, everyone has a chance right now. Enjoy the time before the draft. On paper, you have an equal chance of winning. :D

 
Let's see. The Board screams to have Unlucky be their leader. We say OK. Mike is a nice guy. Then he posts that he needs until May 30th to pick his team. Hopefully he drafts faster than he reads. The draft is June 5th THIS YEAR.I expect by the time you guys actually figure out who is on your team, we will have completed about 20 mock drafts, designed a custom Draft Dominator, and solved World Hunger.Just like the real NFL, everyone has a chance right now. Enjoy the time before the draft. On paper, you have an equal chance of winning. :D
Look at ole Dodds talking some ####! :boxing:
 

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