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Is there a place to go for overall rankings that have IDPs folded in with offensive players?

The hardest thing for many owners new at IDPs is when take those positions relative to the ones they are used to.

Or am I missing something?

 
Guys, if you are planning on discussing rankings, please be sure to specify if you're referring to the dynasty/rookie rankings. Thanks.

 
Dowling with no Cutler in his top 40 QB...here comes Patrick Ramsey??

 
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I say this every year, but just to clarify for those who might be new to the boards...

My rankings will change a lot as the preseason wears on.

*** Detailed projections are still in the formative stages

*** Debate on the boards often helps codify where my initial impressions are misguided

*** Signings, Hold outs, Injuries and other camp related issues will skew things significantly

*** As I write up Spotlights and Face-Offs, it often leads me to further tighten my initial expectations

I can't say it enough, this is the time to challenge any and all assertions. There isn't a singular ranking I'm not willing to reconsider if presented with compelling rationale.

:yes:

 
That's it for now...my critiques will come out over the following weeks.

Pretty good first crack fellas. :yes:

 
My first impression is that the QB cupboard is pretty dang bare out there.

Seems to be Peyton and Carson

Then a small drop to Brees and Brady

Then a cliff.

I'm as big an RB-RB guy as there is, but man it looks like protecting Carson over FWP or else wait ridiculouosly long for a QB and sweat that position out every week.

-QG

 
I'm still adding and finetuning mine . . . I don't usually have full rankings this early but the powers at be were pretty persuassive in wanting them now.

 
Okay, I gotta ask..

Why did Jeff rank Reggie Bush at # 15 in a Dynasty Draft? He was the #9 back his rookie season and every Dynasty draft I've been part of or been privy to has had 11-12 RBs drafted in the first 12 picks.

Isn't PPR the standard norm? I can't recall ever getting a league invite in the last few years that didn't have at least .5 per reception for the RBs.

Also, just for sanity sake, can we re-type the description on the rankings page. It currently reads,

"Rankings are calculated by giving 1 point per number 1 ranking, 2 pts for a number 2, etc. Unranked players count 76 points. Final points are calculated by weighting all experts equally."

Wouldn't FBG Analyst be a better description? I doubt any of these guys consider themselves Dynasty Ranking EXPERTS.

 
Team Legacy said:
Okay, I gotta ask..Why did Jeff rank Reggie Bush at # 15 in a Dynasty Draft? He was the #9 back his rookie season and every Dynasty draft I've been part of or been privy to has had 11-12 RBs drafted in the first 12 picks. Isn't PPR the standard norm? I can't recall ever getting a league invite in the last few years that didn't have at least .5 per reception for the RBs. Also, just for sanity sake, can we re-type the description on the rankings page. It currently reads, "Rankings are calculated by giving 1 point per number 1 ranking, 2 pts for a number 2, etc. Unranked players count 76 points. Final points are calculated by weighting all experts equally."Wouldn't FBG Analyst be a better description? I doubt any of these guys consider themselves Dynasty Ranking EXPERTS.
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Hey Team Legacy, we use FBG Scoring for all rankings and, PPR is not included. I agree that many leagues use PPR these days, but our baseline rankings and projections do not.
 
Boldin over Wayne is shocking to me.

Adrian Peterson at 36??? WOW. I doubt you see him slip out of the first in any Dynasty draft.

Nice to see them out, but its like my tech guy. He sends his project out right before the bell and then walks out the door. By the time I have a chance to open it and see its all fouled up, he's already on the road. If he could have just gave it a quick look see first...

 
Jason Wood said:
Team Legacy said:
Okay, I gotta ask..Why did Jeff rank Reggie Bush at # 15 in a Dynasty Draft? He was the #9 back his rookie season and every Dynasty draft I've been part of or been privy to has had 11-12 RBs drafted in the first 12 picks. Isn't PPR the standard norm? I can't recall ever getting a league invite in the last few years that didn't have at least .5 per reception for the RBs. Also, just for sanity sake, can we re-type the description on the rankings page. It currently reads, "Rankings are calculated by giving 1 point per number 1 ranking, 2 pts for a number 2, etc. Unranked players count 76 points. Final points are calculated by weighting all experts equally."Wouldn't FBG Analyst be a better description? I doubt any of these guys consider themselves Dynasty Ranking EXPERTS.
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Hey Team Legacy, we use FBG Scoring for all rankings and, PPR is not included. I agree that many leagues use PPR these days, but our baseline rankings and projections do not.
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Gotcha bro.. can you put in a word with the big guys who dictate that type of thing? I mean.. this is the new millennium.. lol...
 
Jason Wood said:
I say this every year, but just to clarify for those who might be new to the boards...My rankings will change a lot as the preseason wears on.*** Detailed projections are still in the formative stages*** Debate on the boards often helps codify where my initial impressions are misguided*** Signings, Hold outs, Injuries and other camp related issues will skew things significantly*** As I write up Spotlights and Face-Offs, it often leads me to further tighten my initial expectationsI can't say it enough, this is the time to challenge any and all assertions. There isn't a singular ranking I'm not willing to reconsider if presented with compelling rationale. :penalty:
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Same goes with my rankings. I just spent 30 hours projecting every team/player situation (These will appear on the site on Thursday). But even though I have spent a lot of time researching things, I undoubtedly have some stupid numbers. But that's what makes this whole thing work. We post these things early so we can have great discussions and get better numbers. Feel free to call out things that look askew for any of our staff. We can take the criticism.
 
Brandon Jackson as the #3 rookie?! Has Norton gone insane?! The guy wasn't even the full time starter at Nebraska, was he?!

 
So Chris, Alex Smith the Tight End should be a 6th round pick in an Initial Dynasty Draft? Are you guys related??? lol...

 
Sinrman said:
Brandon Jackson as the #3 rookie?! Has Norton gone insane?! The guy wasn't even the full time starter at Nebraska, was he?!
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He took over the starting job at Nebraska and he he will eventually be ahead of Morency on the depth chart...it's just a matter of when assuming he can stay healthy.
 
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Thanks for getting these out David. We can tell you have been cracking the whip with your staff:)

Smith ranking Gonzales 12 in TE really is way off base though compared to everyone elses rankings. Looking forward to seeing all the adjustments being made over the next few months and reasoning for the adjustments in others posts.

 
David, can you get two of your staffers to post comments here.

I appreciate different rankings and in fact expect them in most categories or after the first player or two, but two outliers need an explanation:

1) Colin Downing, the only staffer not to have Tomlinson rated the #1 RB :cry:

2) Chris Smith, the only staffer not to have Peyton Manning rated the #1 QB :bs:

 
Captain Hook said:
David, can you get two of your staffers to post comments here.I appreciate different rankings and in fact expect them in most categories or after the first player or two, but two outliers need an explanation:1) Colin Downing, the only staffer not to have Tomlinson rated the #1 RB :cry: 2) Chris Smith, the only staffer not to have Peyton Manning rated the #1 QB :bs:
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I can't speak for either but neither should really surprise you. In fact, based on historical odds, they are more likely to be correct than the rest of us. And it's not like they see LT and Manning's play falling off a cliff, they just expect it to normalize a bit.
 
Captain Hook said:
David, can you get two of your staffers to post comments here.I appreciate different rankings and in fact expect them in most categories or after the first player or two, but two outliers need an explanation:1) Colin Downing, the only staffer not to have Tomlinson rated the #1 RB :popcorn: 2) Chris Smith, the only staffer not to have Peyton Manning rated the #1 QB :yes:
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LT has been the #1 FF RB once in 6 years. It's hardly earth shattering to have him ranked at #2.Manning has been the #1 FF QB once in 9 years. It's hardly earth shattering to have him ranked #2.I love how sheep take last years stats, and get horribly confused when the new rankings don't mimic it.
 
QuizGuy66 said:
My first impression is that the QB cupboard is pretty dang bare out there.Seems to be Peyton and CarsonThen a small drop to Brees and BradyThen a cliff.I'm as big an RB-RB guy as there is, but man it looks like protecting Carson over FWP or else wait ridiculouosly long for a QB and sweat that position out every week.-QG
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QG I had the same impression. McNabb however IMHO will represent significant value this season.
 
Giggity said:
Captain Hook said:
David, can you get two of your staffers to post comments here.I appreciate different rankings and in fact expect them in most categories or after the first player or two, but two outliers need an explanation:1) Colin Downing, the only staffer not to have Tomlinson rated the #1 RB :goodposting: 2) Chris Smith, the only staffer not to have Peyton Manning rated the #1 QB :thumbup:
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LT has been the #1 FF RB once in 6 years. It's hardly earth shattering to have him ranked at #2.Manning has been the #1 FF QB once in 9 years. It's hardly earth shattering to have him ranked #2.I love how sheep take last years stats, and get horribly confused when the new rankings don't mimic it.
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(I'm not really responding to Giggity; I'm just using his post as a jumping off point.)IMO, it's less fruitful to look at where a guy is ranked in the abstract (e.g., #12 vs. #18 or whatever) than it is to look at whom he's ranked ahead of and whom he's ranked behind.To take Colin's ranking of LT as an example, whether we expect LT to finish #1 is not nearly is important as whether we expect LT to finish ahead of Steven Jackson.An argument for ranking Steven Jackson ahead of Tomlinson can certainly be made, and Colin may pop into this thread to make it. That's the kind of thing I'd be interested in -- not a discussion of whether LT is more likely to finish #2 than #1, but a discussion of whether LT is more likely to finish behind Jackson than ahead of him.Same with all the other rankings. "Why do you have Gore at #6?" is less interesting to me than "Why do you have Gore ahead of Shaun Alexander?" And so on . . .
 
Jason Wood said:
Captain Hook said:
David, can you get two of your staffers to post comments here.I appreciate different rankings and in fact expect them in most categories or after the first player or two, but two outliers need an explanation:1) Colin Downing, the only staffer not to have Tomlinson rated the #1 RB :goodposting: 2) Chris Smith, the only staffer not to have Peyton Manning rated the #1 QB :thumbup:
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I can't speak for either but neither should really surprise you. In fact, based on historical odds, they are more likely to be correct than the rest of us. And it's not like they see LT and Manning's play falling off a cliff, they just expect it to normalize a bit.
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I would not be suprised at all to see Manning dip a bit...there are six QBs or so that could edge him out this year.LT on the other hand, I have to rank him #1.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
IMO, it's less fruitful to look at where a guy is ranked in the abstract (e.g., #12 vs. #18 or whatever) than it is to look at whom he's ranked ahead of and whom he's ranked behind.
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Totally agree, it is silly to discuss rankings in the abstract. In my critiques I will mention a handful of players that should be ranked above/below whatever player is being targeted for discussion.
 
LHUCKS said:
I would not be suprised at all to see Manning dip a bit...there are six QBs or so that could edge him out this year.
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Any particular reason? I actually see Manning having massive upside if Addai gets banged up. They'll have no running game. Im not sure they'll be able to have a ball control running game even if Addai plays 16 games. Rhodes was good for getting the tough yards, pushing the pile is not Addai's forte. They also have added a real slot receiver for the first time since Manning's record breaking season. Stokley has been a MASH unit guy for the last two years.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
LHUCKS said:
I would not be suprised at all to see Manning dip a bit...there are six QBs or so that could edge him out this year.
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Any particular reason? I actually see Manning having massive upside if Addai gets banged up. They'll have no running game. Im not sure they'll be able to have a ball control running game even if Addai plays 16 games. Rhodes was good for getting the tough yards, pushing the pile is not Addai's forte. They also have added a real slot receiver for the first time since Manning's record breaking season. Stokley has been a MASH unit guy for the last two years.
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Rhodes is overrated, and a more seasoned Addai could actually mean a better overall rushing game for the Colts in '07. Additionally, the Colts are rumored to still be in the RB market so I don't think a weaker rushing game is a foregone conclusion.some points on the other upper echelon QBs:-McNabb's PPG was greater than Manning's last year or close to it(can't recall the exact numbers)-Brees was closer to Manning last year than many realize-Brady has some new toys and his '06 numbers may suprrise some-Palmer should be entering his prime-Bulger has new toys and arguably the softest passing schedule-Post SB meltdown is a factor to consider for the Colts as wellManning is my #1 QB without question, but there's plenty of reason to believe one of the other top QBs breaks out with a career year and edges him out.
 
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Team Legacy said:
So Chris, Alex Smith the Tight End should be a 6th round pick in an Initial Dynasty Draft? Are you guys related??? lol...
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:( I wish...I hearing that the Bucs have big plans for Alex Smith this season. He's young, talented and will be a surprise this season. As the offensive line continues to improve, the tight end will be freed up to go out on deeper pass patterns and I see Smith as a viable option in the passing attack for years to come.
 
midnightxxxx said:
Thanks for getting these out David. We can tell you have been cracking the whip with your staff:)Smith ranking Gonzales 12 in TE really is way off base though compared to everyone elses rankings. Looking forward to seeing all the adjustments being made over the next few months and reasoning for the adjustments in others posts.
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I thought Gonzalez would slip last year because of the problems at tackle but I was one year off. There are three reasons to believe Gonzalez will see his production drop in 2007 (and beyond)1. The offensive line is crumbling. The former dominant line in the league lost it's heart and soul in Will Shields and with a young quarterback likely to start, the team will need to maximize pass protection or Croyle will be carried off the field in two pieces2. Croyle starting. The club may like his swagger but he is an inexperienced player that will likely struggle with accuracy out of the gate.3. Gonzalez is getting up there in age and I fear that he will be past his prime before this version of the Chiefs offense rediscovers its game.
 
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