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FBG Rookie IDP Rankings (1 Viewer)
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In terms of IDP value (talent plus situation), it would be hard for anyone in this year's class to compare to Willis, Beason, or Poz.This year seems to have good depth, but doesn't seem to have the top-end IDP talent.
Anthony Borbely
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
WillisBeasonPozlusznyThis years top LBsI pretty much agree with Aaron. Willis is in a class by himself, and Beason and Poz are right behind him. Initially, I do not see anyone in this years LB group who compared to last years top 3, but it's possible some could eventually turn into an elite LB. I just don't know who or even if at this point.
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Weiner Dog
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I think this year's IDP class is being severely under-rated. If you rewind 366 days...
There was speculation Patrick Willis would only be a 2-down LB for the Niners to reflect his primary playing status from college. Poz (who's only played in 3 NFL games) was being slightly shunned b/c he was supposedly the "second best" LB for PSU behind a guy named Dan Connor. Jon Beason was drafted to play MLB for a team with a another blue-chip (yet, often injured) Hurricane MLB on the roster. I also feel Curtis Lofton's situation is a mirror image of David Harris' from last year.
As the primary DE's, we have Chris Long and Derek Harvey this year, while the '07 draft had Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson.
There was speculation Patrick Willis would only be a 2-down LB for the Niners to reflect his primary playing status from college. Poz (who's only played in 3 NFL games) was being slightly shunned b/c he was supposedly the "second best" LB for PSU behind a guy named Dan Connor. Jon Beason was drafted to play MLB for a team with a another blue-chip (yet, often injured) Hurricane MLB on the roster. I also feel Curtis Lofton's situation is a mirror image of David Harris' from last year.
As the primary DE's, we have Chris Long and Derek Harvey this year, while the '07 draft had Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson.
jgb95
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Jene Bramel
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You may be right. I thought Willis and Beason were pretty clearly top ten potential talents in IDP terms last season. I had Pos in a tier 1B with Landry, then Harris and Timmons just behind as mid LB2 upside in the long term. I eventually caved and put Posluszny with the top tier when it became clear he had won an every down role, but more due to opportunity than talent.This season, I think Mayo and Lofton are in that 1B tier -- low level LB1 upside but more likely to finish LB14 than LB6. That's a sizable difference to me, and a bigger difference than the distance to LB16-20, which is where I see the ceiling of Rivers (in his current and likely long term situation), Dizon and Connor right now.The two players that have me the most vexed right now are Tavares Gooden and Chris Long. And I think I've forgotten what I've read on Harvey, because I'm underrating him too.I see Gooden as having Beason like upside, though it'll take him longer to get there and he's not as sure a thing as I felt Beason was. I have him at five today, but for dynasty purposes, I'm not sure that his upside doesn't warrant a ranking as high as three.I change my mind on the ranking of Long on a seemingly hourly basis. And it's all Jamaal Anderson's fault, who's left a bitter taste in my mouth after last season. I think there are two classes of rookie DL worth drafting -- an elite edge rusher (and I mean elite) or a technically sound rusher who understands leverage and plays bigger than his size. I've tended to rank guys like Dwight Freeney, Mario Williams, Tamba Hali, Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson reasonably high while discarding guys like Jarvis Moss, Darryl Tapp and Kenechi Udeze. I think Long and Harvey belong in the first group. Still leery of projecting them above the backers, but both deserve stronger consideration over the two DBs than I've given them so far.It's an interesting class this year, that's for certain. Great discussion in here, too.
Rozelle
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In terms of LB ... I don't know ... this class is okay, take away Willis and its's bout the same as last year. You had a couple guys go to intriguing situations, so thats always a plus. I don't recall speculation of Willis only being a 2 downer, however, I probably had blinders on and ignored any talk of that. That's a legimate concern with Lofton and Conner, Conner more so than Lofton.
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NorrisB
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Thats exactly what I was saying. Dizon, Lofton and Mayo could easily hang with Beason, Poz and David Harris.
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Last year I took over a team with major defensive holes and was able to plug up some problems quickly by getting what I consider serious value in Willis (traded for the pick), Beason, and Landry in the first two rounds. This year I have trouble identifying a single IDP that I would consider worthy of a pick in the first three rounds (10 team league). I just don't see the top level talent this year in any of the positions.
Mayo could be big, but I see a year or two of hard knocks learning as the LB is the QB of the defense in New England. He has great teachers, but it could take awhile. He's a nice, but not great dynasty pick.
On another note, as last year was my first shot at an IDP league/rookie draft, how do I avoid another Jarvis Moss pickup? He looked so damn intriguing at draft time... Seems like rookie DL's are very tough to figure out. Is that always true?
Thanks Guys!
Bob "TheClams"
Mayo could be big, but I see a year or two of hard knocks learning as the LB is the QB of the defense in New England. He has great teachers, but it could take awhile. He's a nice, but not great dynasty pick.
On another note, as last year was my first shot at an IDP league/rookie draft, how do I avoid another Jarvis Moss pickup? He looked so damn intriguing at draft time... Seems like rookie DL's are very tough to figure out. Is that always true?
Thanks Guys!
Bob "TheClams"
bcr8f
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Ellis a 3 down DT? From Sporting News
Mike Triplett / For Sporting News
PERSONNEL ANALYSIS: First-round draft pick Sedrick Ellis and fifth-round pick DeMario Pressley are the likely new starters at defensive tackle, but that doesn't necessarily spell doom for incumbents Hollis Thomas and Brian Young. The Saints regularly rotate their tackles to keep them fresh. Ellis played mostly nose tackle in college, and he can blow up running lanes, but he also is athletic enough to play the 3-technique on passing downs. Thomas is a traditional run stuffer, and Young is a conventional 3-technique guy, so Ellis can play alongside either one. The Saints might also move E Charles Grant inside in some pass-rush formations. Backups Kendrick Clancy and Antwan Lake will be fighting for their jobs in training camp. . . .
Mike Triplett / For Sporting News
PERSONNEL ANALYSIS: First-round draft pick Sedrick Ellis and fifth-round pick DeMario Pressley are the likely new starters at defensive tackle, but that doesn't necessarily spell doom for incumbents Hollis Thomas and Brian Young. The Saints regularly rotate their tackles to keep them fresh. Ellis played mostly nose tackle in college, and he can blow up running lanes, but he also is athletic enough to play the 3-technique on passing downs. Thomas is a traditional run stuffer, and Young is a conventional 3-technique guy, so Ellis can play alongside either one. The Saints might also move E Charles Grant inside in some pass-rush formations. Backups Kendrick Clancy and Antwan Lake will be fighting for their jobs in training camp. . . .
