FBG Staff IDP Redraft League (1 Viewer)

[Jene Bramel]

Since there has been much discussion about the drafting and management of an IDP team in the Forum over the past few months, we thought we'd put a league together for discussion.

We may consider a dynasty or survivor format in future years, but 2006 is a redraft league. Eleven owners are FBG staff (including all seven IDP staffers) and we recruited Forum staple Weiner Dog to fill the final slot.

Here's the link to the league site.

The draft should be finishing up in the next couple of days. Feel free to comment if you want. All of us will make an effort to be available for questions and discussions as much as possible.

The Participants

Fake IDP - Jeff Pasquino

Stonewall - John Norton

Defense Mechanism - Sigmund Bloom

Men of the Gridiron - Chris Smith (Head Goon)

The Hills Have IDPs - Bob Magaw

Weiner Dog - Weiner Dog

Manson, Chuck Manson - Dave Baker

Lawyers, Guns, & Money - Keith Overton

Crackin' - Shawn Culcasi

Iron Maiden - Clayton Gray

Rudnicki - Aaron Rudnicki

the inbreeders - Jene Bramel

Everybody, except Clayton -- who has already called his shot and declared himself champion, has a number of years IDP experience.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I'll be the first to say that Weiner Dog did an excellent job!

 

[Beaumont]

Good job all. I agree that Weiner Dog looks to have a good squad ...

 

[bigreese82]

Clinton Hart??? Before Terrance Kiel

Am I missing something?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Clinton Hart??? Before Terrance Kiel

Am I missing something?

Hart currently has the favor of the coaching staff and looks to have the inside track at a starting job. Kiel was roundly criticized for his coverage deficiencies last year after a pretty decent 2004 season. I wouldn't be shocked if Kiel ends up the man again if he proves that his early season ankle injury was an important factor. But I'm still kind of in the minority there.

 

[bigreese82]

Clinton Hart??? Before Terrance Kiel

Am I missing something?

Hart currently has the favor of the coaching staff and looks to have the inside track at a starting job. Kiel was roundly criticized for his coverage deficiencies last year after a pretty decent 2004 season. I wouldn't be shocked if Kiel ends up the man again if he proves that his early season ankle injury was an important factor. But I'm still kind of in the minority there.

Is Hart going that early in drafts? Just thought it was early for him to go considering the uncertainty of the situation and the available players that were there ranked higher from Norton's rankings

 

[Rovers]

Some real IDP steals late. I'll have to look at it some more.... interesting draft. Sorry, I still think Quarles is the SOD at that draft slot in a redraft. Yes, I can be stubborn!

 

[cracKer]

Just thought it was early for him to go considering the uncertainty of the situation and the available players that were there ranked higher from Norton's rankings

That's what you get for looking at Norton's rankings j/k

 

[houndirish]

After the thread that exhausted this topic I found this very humorous!

13.12 156 the inbreeders Williams, Madieu CIN S Sun Jul 9 11:07:28 p.m. ET 2006

14.01 157 the inbreeders Sanders, Bob IND S Sun Jul 9 11:07:41 p.m. ET 2006

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I liked my team a lot more before Odell Thurman got suspended.

 

[lions327]

Some real IDP steals late. I'll have to look at it some more.... interesting draft. Sorry, I still think Quarles is the SOD at that draft slot in a redraft. Yes, I can be stubborn!

I think Anthony Simmons was a steal at 29.12. I think many forget just how good he was. Of course when a player sits out, there is always a risk that he won't be the same player. Nobody knows what can happen, but if his wrist/hand hold up, this is a great pick. Since his major injuries weren't related to his legs, I think he has a good chance to regain some of his form. This is the one late round sleeper who could be a top 10 LB. And he is only 30 years old. Nice pick.

 

[Jene Bramel]

After the thread that exhausted this topic I found this very humorous!

13.12 156 the inbreeders Williams, Madieu CIN S Sun Jul 9 11:07:28 p.m. ET 2006

14.01 157 the inbreeders Sanders, Bob IND S Sun Jul 9 11:07:41 p.m. ET 2006

I thought somebody might catch that one. It's all about scoring systems. I've got these two neck-and-neck in the same tier, but in the scoring system in the other thread it was clear to me that the guy more likely to make big plays was the way to go.

If Rodney Harrison comes back near full strength at all, I really like my starting secondary.

 

[Weiner Dog]

To kick the discussion into overdrive, I'll add my comments on the IDP's I chose. In an effort to keep my marriage in tact, my comments will be in chunks of five (or so).

Strahan @ 7.6

For DL's, our league awards 2 pts for solo tackles and 1 pt for assist tackles. Sacks are worth 5 pts for DL's. I ignored the pts for safeties, INT's, PD's, etc since they cannot be realistically predicted. My #1 goal was to find DL's with both high tackles and high sacks. I did not want to tilt the teeter-totter too far in either direction (sorry, Freeney). Strahan has proven to be the best blend of both tackles and sacks. Over the past five seasons, Strahan has averaged 75 tackles and 15 sacks. Sure...Strahan is getting long in the tooth and I will be happy with 10-12 sacks this year, but I simply could not ignore his ability to accumulate valuable tackles...especially solos. Stahan was the 5th-DL taken in this draft, but I believe he will outperform many of the other DL's taken 1-2 rounds earlier.

Brooking @ 8.7

Brooking was the 12th LB chosen in this draft. Much like my Strahan pick, I took comfort in Brooking's proven track record. Brooking has averaged 125 tackles over the past five seasons. He also his fair share of big plays (6 sacks, 7 INT's and 16 PD's over the past two seasons). Most importantly, Brooking has not missed a game for a 1/2 decade. With Demorrio Williams demoted to backup duty, Brooking will be the fastest Falcon LB on the field (Boley is close but cut me some slack). This...coupled with his move back to the pursuit LB position...should allow him to achieve his 125 tackle average. Now, I don't live in a fantasy land where I believe Brooking will equal Vilma's or Brooking's stats, but I think he was a nice grab 4 1/2 rounds later than these two.

Winfield @ 10.07

I was tossing and turning on this one. My golden rule is NEVER GRAB DB's TOO EARLY!!! Well...Winfield and his pending move the Vikes' Cover-2 scheme simply looked too delicious. There are two CB's in the NFL with supreme tackling ability. One is Winfield...the other is Barber (stolen by Jene in the 13th-round). Winfield has averaged nearly 90 solo tackles the past three seasons. Yes, I said solo tackles. This was before moving to the Candy Land of CB scoring with the zone responsibilities of the Cover-2. I may jinx this poor guy, but I think Winfield could actually eclipse 100 solo tackles this year. No lie. He simply doesn't miss tackles, and he's now playing in the perfect scheme.

Hawk @ 13.06

I'm hoping for a Vilma Part Deux with this pick. Hawk has Vilma's instincts, but his measurables (dare I say) are supreme to Vilma's. The Packers have already announed that Hawk will not leave the field. Nickle. Dime. Quarter. He's doing it all. Vilma posted 100+ tackles his rookie year despite not starting the first few games. I'm hoping for 125+ tackles from my fellow OSU alum. BTW, Hawk was the 22nd LB chosen in the draft.

Dan Morgan @ 14.07

OK, bring it. I'm ready to defend my boy! Concussions...yes. Multiple concussions...yes. When the Panthers balked at Witherspoon and signed Morgan to a five-year, $28mm (potentially $31mm) deal last season, my worries were tempered somewhat. Morgan's injury history is well documented. At the same time, I fear that his injury history has trumped his production history. When Morgan is on the field, he's a dang good LB. Adjusted for injuries, Morgan has averaged nearly 110 tackles the past three seasons. I took him as the 25th LB and I was now able to hit cruise control on my LB crew for the next five rounds.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Some real IDP steals late. I'll have to look at it some more.... interesting draft. Sorry, I still think Quarles is the SOD at that draft slot in a redraft. Yes, I can be stubborn!

I think Anthony Simmons was a steal at 29.12. I think many forget just how good he was. Of course when a player sits out, there is always a risk that he won't be the same player. Nobody knows what can happen, but if his wrist/hand hold up, this is a great pick. Since his major injuries weren't related to his legs, I think he has a good chance to regain some of his form. This is the one late round sleeper who could be a top 10 LB. And he is only 30 years old. Nice pick.

Yep, I'm of the mind that it doesn't do much good to be taking guys with replacement level upside in the later rounds. I want huge potential -- if they bust, it's evident pretty early and you recycle them on the scrap heap. If healthy, Simmons is far and away the most talented backer on the Saints roster. We'll see.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Winfield @ 10.07

I was tossing and turning on this one. My golden rule is NEVER GRAB DB's TOO EARLY!!! Well...Winfield and his pending move the Vikes' Cover-2 scheme simply looked too delicious. There are two CB's in the NFL with supreme tackling ability. One is Winfield...the other is Barber (stolen by Jene in the 13th-round). Winfield has averaged nearly 90 solo tackles the past three seasons. Yes, I said solo tackles. This was before moving to the Candy Land of CB scoring with the zone responsibilities of the Cover-2. I may jinx this poor guy, but I think Winfield could actually eclipse 100 solo tackles this year. No lie. He simply doesn't miss tackles, and he's now playing in the perfect scheme.

Despite my professed love of Cover-2 corners, I didn't draft a single one in this draft. Plenty of value to be had at DB this year, IMO, and I was willing to slough that position until after the 10th round. Barber, Tillman, Clements, and Winfield were all above Sanders/Williams on my draft board, but all were gone by the time I started taking DBs.Pasquino got Barber.

 

[Chris Smith]

Considering I haven't played IDP since 2003, I am pretty pleased with my squad. I kept to the basics with my IDP players, avoided trying to be cute and simply took the big name players who are certain to start and score points for my team... I think all in all, I'll be in the running with this roster...

Boller, Kyle BAL QB - 7

Brady, Tom NEP QB - 6

McNair, Steve BAL QB - 7

Betts, Ladell WAS RB - 8

Bush, Reggie NOS RB - 7

Dillon, Corey NEP RB - 6

Drew, Maurice JAC RB - 6

Portis, Clinton WAS RB - 8

Branch, Deion NEP WR - 6

Engram, Bobby SEA WR - 5

Jackson, Vincent SDC WR - 3

Moss, Randy OAK WR - 3

Walker, Javon DEN WR - 4

Williams, Reggie JAC WR - 6

Kinney, Erron TEN TE - 7

Watson, Ben NEP TE - 6

Akers, David PHI PK - 9

Grant, Charles NOS DE - 7

Kearse, Jevon PHI DE - 9

Seymour, Richard NEP DE - 6

Williams, Mario HOU DE - 5

Gold, Ian DEN LB - 4

Johnson, Derrick O. KCC LB - 3

Lewis, Ray BAL LB - 7

Spikes, Takeo BUF LB - 8

Vrabel, Mike NEP LB - 6

Hall, Deangelo ATL CB - 5

Mathis, Rashean JAC CB - 6

Boulware, Michael SEA S - 5

Brown, Mike CHI S - 7

Reed, Edward BAL S - 7

 

[Bob_Magaw]

i figured there would be good IDP value late (especially DB, but it turned out elsewhere, too)...

so i went hard on offense first (didn't get first IDP until about round 10-11)...

since i waited on D & thought it would be hard to have strength across board at all three positions, i in turn waited on DB & focused on LB & DE (first DB was rolle relatively late... DB2 whitner & DB3 manuel were REALLY late)...

with DE trio of berry, little & o-gun, i might have potentially three top 10 DEs... i focused on guys that are very talented but older & maybe not very sexy and who had depressed season total stats due to off year or injury, but had some very nice splits in stretches that project to much higher totals in 2006... the downside is maybe these guys are just broken down old warhorses & it is a trend, but imo berry & little are capable of playing at very high level...

for reasons i cover in their player pages, as i covered nfc west...

at LB with trotter, andra davis & june, i may not have top 10 guy but potentially three top 15 LBs... so while my LB1 may give up ground to a lot of teams, hopefully i can make up ground with LB2 & LB3... i like tinoisamoa & boss bailey for depth... tino could be breakout candidate & bailey is expected to move to the middle... dark side of boss is it may be questionable to take injury prone guy as depth, but late in draft, if he is starting MLB & stays healthy, that is high upside proposition, with not much risk where he went...

though gotten late, i like DBs...

i think rolle has top 5-10 potential, whitner could be best rookie DB & finish in top 20-25 neighborhood, manuel put up monster numbers in hamlin's absence in SEA last season & is penciled in as GB SS... ryan clark slotted as PIT FS (i don't expect anthony smith to beat him out until 2007-2008)... hope (TEN FA) was top 15 DB in that same role last season.

there were a lot of IDP steals...

i like ken lucas late a lot... also fincher, who might be NO MLB...

* BTW, most IDP leagues are dynasty but this is a redraft... i DEFINITELY would have constructed team different if initial startup dynasty draft...

in that case i would have focused more on O in middle rounds, as imo easier to get D in subsequent drafts, waiver wire FA periods & through trades... ALSO, i would have gotten a younger overall team... but in a redraft, obviously age not a big issue...

just didn't want people to read too much into redraft & draft in dynasty same way...

 

[Jene Bramel]

Since this is becoming a de-briefing of sorts, here is a list of guys that urinated me off.

4th round - Everyone but Chris Smith

Say what you will about my unorthodox draft strategy of taking LBs at the 3rd/4th round turn, but in this scoring system the value of stud linebackers isn't much behind that of a stud running back. And if it weren't for a bunch of conspiring VBDers, I might have made out like an idiot savant here. Buttheads.

5th round - Cracker

Still almost got away with a potential stud WR at the end of the 5th round until Culcasi swiped Plaxico Burress at 5.09. Felt like a fat kid who had his cake taken away just before he sank his fork into it.

7th round - Clayton Gray

See above. I was thisclose to stealing two solid WR in Burress and Rod Smith to go with TJ Housh. Shockey and the LBs better come through for me or I can point to the 3rd-7th rounds as my Alamo.

14th round - Chris Smith

Any goodwill he earned by trying to be my partner-in-crime in the 3rd round was ruined when he grabbed Takeo Spikes here. Sure, I had ample opportunity to snag him earlier as my LB3, but it really looked like the LB run had settled a bit at my earlier turn and I needed to grab some cornerstones at DB. The 26th LB off the board, Spikes may well be the absolute steal of this draft.

24th round - Magaw

Really wanted Donte Whitner as my DB4 -- big upside here. But St. Louis Bob suspended his perseverative need to draft every Ram on the board (Gus Frerotte?? ) long enough to snake a highly sought after target. Plus he and I will be competing for most uncomfortable avatar all season long, so he's firmly on the butthead list.

26th round - Norton

Shockingly, it took 26 rounds for Norton to make me fussy. Alfred Fincher may well be a starting quality LB in this league and represents pretty ridiculous value here. Don't get me wrong, I'll take Anthony Simmons, but I wanted Fincher.

29th round - Clayton again

At this point, it's throwing stink on the wall to see what sticks. Vernand Morency is in a pretty nice position to scream up the charts if DD can't get his knee right. Waited one round too long here.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

you guys nailed me...

at any juncture in the draft, my SOP was to look for the highest rated ram... & if his ADP suggested not getting him there... take him anyway...

seriously, i'll put up something like jene's above post soon...

i like to refer to it as... my players that happen to be on your team...

 

[Dave Baker]

I did something I had never done before, or at least in as long as I can remember (which isn't very long these days), when I took a QB in the first round. I wanted Manning. Never owned him. Tons of separation between him and #2 in my book and with the departure of Edge, it could be a year closer to a couple years ago than last year. Not sure I do this in a money league, as I'm far too conservative in nature.

I knew this would remove me from the stud RB game and I went with it by taking Chad Johnson in round two. I was going to go WR again with Owens in round three but he was snatched up just ahead of me by Weiner.

When I took Manning in round one, I started eyeballing Warrick Dunn in round four. Several mocks I did put him right there. Instead I was foiled by Overton one pick before mine. Probably getting me back for poker in Vegas. It wouldn't be the last time Overton did this to me. I went with Foster instead, who has tremendous upside and could be a top 5 RB in the three games he plays.

I got Fred Taylor and Ahman Green as my RB3 and RB4.

I think I was the last one to take an IDP in this league. Not only am I confident with my IDP skills, even against the competition in this league, but the dynamic VBD pushed me elsewhere time and again.

Overton snagged Drew Bennet one pick before I had him in round 12. I figured Isaac Bruce was going to fall to me in 13, sio I took Karlos Dansby. Bloom took Bruce though befopre it got back to me. Bloom also took David Carr before I thought I had him in 19.

The next thing I did that I know I had never done before was I was the first to take a kicker. I've been playing FF for over 20 years and have been in multiple redraft leagues for at the least the last five years and I had NEVER taken a kicker before anyone else in a draft. But I got Vinatieri in round 20. I think perhaps too many had the same previous philosophy and getting the best kicker this year seemed worth it. I don't think I lost anything due to that decision.

Thomas Davis was mine, MINE, in round 24 but cracker scooped him up two spots before me.

In round 26, I wanted Reche Caldwell, but I slyly figured most were higher on Chad Jackson, and I wanted both. So I took Jackson first. Caldwell would be there coming back, right? Nope. Pasquino took him.

Jene just took Pinkston when I had him in my preselects. So it's really been a draft where I barely missed on an awful lot of guys. But them's the breaks and I knew they would all be close.

Oh yeah. My IDPs. I got them all late, as I said. Later than every other owner as a whole.

At DL, I took Freeney and Kampman. I like Kampman's tackle consistency. I also got Mike Rucker and Travis LaBoy. LaBoy is my surprise pick. Take a look at the second half of last season for this second year player. He had 24/9 tackles in his 8 last games and showed he can play against the run. He should be a three down player all year.

At LB, I started weak. I like Nick Barnett but have my worries. Lance Briggs is a stud and I believe he'll excel in the cover two. Dansy is a gamble, especially since I almost never take SLBs, but Dansby is a difference maker. Adding Eric Barton (although Vilma tears into his numbers in the 3-4), LeRoy Hill and Clark Haggans made me feel a lot better.

At DB, I got Dunta Robinson. A CB. But a special one, even if it's not in the best scheme for a CB. Robinson is special and look for the kind of gamebreaking things he did in his rookie year to shine through. He's also a great tackler and loads up on them. Josh Bullocks should have a big second season. Look for nice improvement. Tank Williams is one of my guys. I always seem to take him. Hasn't done much for me in his career. I think this is the year for him as a Viking. The guy plays like an extra LB against the run. Think a bigger Bob Sanders. Corey Chavous and Darius adds to my depth there.

Do I like my IDPs as well as most others? Not really. But I think I made up for it on offense.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Winfield @ 10.07

I was tossing and turning on this one. My golden rule is NEVER GRAB DB's TOO EARLY!!! Well...Winfield and his pending move the Vikes' Cover-2 scheme simply looked too delicious. There are two CB's in the NFL with supreme tackling ability. One is Winfield...the other is Barber (stolen by Jene in the 13th-round). Winfield has averaged nearly 90 solo tackles the past three seasons. Yes, I said solo tackles. This was before moving to the Candy Land of CB scoring with the zone responsibilities of the Cover-2. I may jinx this poor guy, but I think Winfield could actually eclipse 100 solo tackles this year. No lie. He simply doesn't miss tackles, and he's now playing in the perfect scheme.

Despite my professed love of Cover-2 corners, I didn't draft a single one in this draft. Plenty of value to be had at DB this year, IMO, and I was willing to slough that position until after the 10th round. Barber, Tillman, Clements, and Winfield were all above Sanders/Williams on my draft board, but all were gone by the time I started taking DBs.Pasquino got Barber.

 

[Memphis Foundry]

Some real IDP steals late. I'll have to look at it some more.... interesting draft. Sorry, I still think Quarles is the SOD at that draft slot in a redraft. Yes, I can be stubborn!

I think Anthony Simmons was a steal at 29.12. I think many forget just how good he was. Of course when a player sits out, there is always a risk that he won't be the same player. Nobody knows what can happen, but if his wrist/hand hold up, this is a great pick. Since his major injuries weren't related to his legs, I think he has a good chance to regain some of his form. This is the one late round sleeper who could be a top 10 LB. And he is only 30 years old. Nice pick.

Yep, I'm of the mind that it doesn't do much good to be taking guys with replacement level upside in the later rounds. I want huge potential -- if they bust, it's evident pretty early and you recycle them on the scrap heap. If healthy, Simmons is far and away the most talented backer on the Saints roster. We'll see.

Absolutely -- swing for the fences late on the defensive side of the ball bcause you can almost always get decent talent on the wire unless you're rostering 50+ guys per team. There are a couple of defensive guys I picked late who don't have *quite* as much upside as I would like -- Dexter Jackson and Larry Foote -- but I've got my share of boom or busters in there, too in Arrington, Demarcus Ware, Julian Peterson, Ike Taylor, and even Okeafor.Dexter Jackson could benefit tackle-wise from the Thurman situation, though, and Madieu Williams is returning from a season 3/4 lost to injury. I thought given the lack of talent remaining at DB that he was worth a shot. Foote should remain Farrior lite this season (all of the tackles -- none of the turnovers) so he's a relatively safe pick and a poor example of the strategy cited above. If Farrior gets dinged up and has to sit out a few games, though, Foote moves up a couple of notches during that time.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

In round 26, I wanted Reche Caldwell, but I slyly figured most were higher on Chad Jackson, and I wanted both. So I took Jackson first. Caldwell would be there coming back, right? Nope. Pasquino took him.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

It's late and this draft is finally almost over.

After my last 2 picks I'll post something to go over the method to my madness and how I'm likely to dominate in yet another league.

 

[Jene Bramel]

It's late and this draft is finally almost over.

After my last 2 picks I'll post something to go over the method to my madness and how I'm likely to dominate in yet another league.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

4th round - Everyone but Chris Smith

Say what you will about my unorthodox draft strategy of taking LBs at the 3rd/4th round turn, but in this scoring system the value of stud linebackers isn't much behind that of a stud running back. And if it weren't for a bunch of conspiring VBDers, I might have made out like an idiot savant here. Buttheads.

4.12 48 Fake IDP Thomas, Zach MIA LB

5.01 49 Fake IDP Urlacher, Brian CHI LB

 

[Bob_Magaw]

my players that happen to be on your team

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4.03 - roy williams... when he didn't fall to me in round four was first time in the draft where i got that, glitch in the matrix, something bad just happened feeling... i think this is his breakout year... physically he is a slightly slower randy moss, & martz could help reach his potential... kitna HAS to be upgrade over harrington.

8.01 - lendale white... would have taken him in round eight instead of barber even though i have JJ... if he attacks DBs like he attacks donuts there will be no stopping him... i still think they should just tie some cheese burgers to the goal post than dare defenders to get in the way of a hunger crazed RB & his meal...

hoping to get either reggie brown or matt jones & got neither

9.3 - will witherspoon... losing him was a blow (mostly because he is a ram)... seriously, i think he is very undervalued by many... i knew this could happen by waiting on D, but i hoped he would drop another round or two...

10.4 - will smith... i figured i wouldn't get him with my wait on IDP strategy, but he is another guy i like a lot & could really bust out with the full time gig now that howard is in PHI...

also hoping to get antoine winfield or nate clements but that didn't play out, either...

few guys went in round 14 that i had my eye on... bob sanders, lance briggs & dan morgan

i was about to pick sean taylor when he went in round 15... burgess was looking attractive at the time when he was scooped up in round 16...

greg jones was on my short list but he went before i could pounce on him...

i liked the merriman pick in round 17... he may have sub-optimal tackle numbers as 3-4 OLB, but imo he could lead the league in sacks... he has to have one of best bull rushes i'ver ever seen for non-DL pass rusher (guess he was a former DE )...

mathis was intriguing where he went as he got a sack a game for what seemed like first half - two thirds of last season, & is now starting...

i like ernie sims a lot, but opted for june instead colts WLB gig has been a points machine, including peterson & thornton before... i'm in minority that thinks sims will be DROY, not hawk... & has a real chance to be better pro long term...

aaron consistently, throughout the draft, took players that i thought were the best at that position at that time & spot in draft, but i had other more pressing & compelling positional needs... simeon rice was another case of this...

i was looking hard at archuleta after losing taylor... he played in bad rams defense & hurt back in 2004... it was hard to tell if he didn't play as well last year due to back or just pathetic scheme... i'm assuming medical staff vetted him & green lit the move... i don't think they made him highest paid safety in NFL history not named ed reed to cover... he will be in the box run stuffing safety & could break adrian wilson's year old DB sack record if fully unleashed... great value there...

pollard is one of my favorite sleepers in the entire draft... i thought he would fall further, but that said, if he starts, this could seem like a bargain later...

had my eye on julian peterson but he went in 19th

erasmus james pick in round 20 could pay dividends

losing TE alex smith (soon he will just be alex with no preface & the other one will need the QB signifier before his name in a reversal) & "settling" for joe "clones of dr." klopfenstein was another, glitch in the matrix moment...

if you take spencers second half split i think it = top 5 CB... SF O could be better, but spencer will make a lot of tackles in secondary playing ARI, STL & SEA six X a year...

i maybe should have drafted mario instead of o-gun so i didn't have bye conflict ( i need to add a DE later in-season), but o-gun is more proven, & when healthy, really was starting to come on in that suffocating CHI defense...

i agree quarles dropped too far & could be SOD... but there is a reason he dropped so far... he is like 50, never had a season like 2005 before & ruud is chomping at the bit... MLBBC?

great moments in FBG IDP draft... 20.11 rod coleman first DT off the board

marcedes lewis was my plan B if i didn't get alex smith... oh well

tj duckett & brandon jacobs could be savvy picks where they went if they get cued up for a bunch of short yardage TDs

adalius thomas great value in round 21, & harrison also taken around there... just not sure if he is going to play 16-12-8 games? if at high level, i might take eight, but i got started late on DBs & didn't feel comfortable taking on injury risk at that position...

i would have been very happy to get chris gamble or ken lucas as my second DB, but my attention must have been elsewhere...

round 23 highlights for me were darren howard & brodney pool, also marty booker & terrence mcgee...

i WOULD have gotten hargrove (i think jene knows that, for one reason that roars off the page ), but had aforementioned bye conflict already with week 7, where little & o-gun off...

i came SO CLOSE to getting thomas davis... i changed pre-select & got lelie instead, in case he emerges as a starter after a potential trade in a few weeks... but i like davis to have a good year in his first as a starter & at his more natural pro position of LB...

corey chavous was on my short list at that point (but not ahead of whitner, who went few picks after)... obviously

d'qwell is my kind of player but i'm lending him to jeff... just this season, though...

i was tempted to get rackers a few times... big gap between where K1 & K2 went in draft... than i would tell myself ARI will score a lot of TDs... THEN i would tell myself that with edge they would get more first downs & sustained drives where they punted last season, which could compensate... tempted again & cycle repeated...

i thought about drafting charles rogers AND mike williams late... NAAHHH!

liked fincher/carter bookend picks late...

carlos rogers is very underrated & has top 10-20 DB upside

i thought about guys like donovin darius & mark bradley especially repeatedly but was scared off by ACL recovery... i like athletes... bradley won his state decathlon as a prep... that is a good enuf atholete for me... he is also a natural football player & was the second best rookie WR last season after edwards...

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Since this is becoming a de-briefing of sorts, here is a list of guys that urinated me off. 

4th round - Everyone but Chris Smith

Say what you will about my unorthodox draft strategy of taking LBs at the 3rd/4th round turn, but in this scoring system the value of stud linebackers isn't much behind that of a stud running back.  And if it weren't for a bunch of conspiring VBDers, I might have made out like an idiot savant here.  Buttheads.

5th round - Cracker

Still almost got away with a potential stud WR at the end of the 5th round until Culcasi swiped Plaxico Burress at 5.09.  Felt like a fat kid who had his cake taken away just before he sank his fork into it.

7th round - Clayton Gray

See above.  I was thisclose to stealing two solid WR in Burress and Rod Smith to go with TJ Housh.  Shockey and the LBs better come through for me or I can point to the 3rd-7th rounds as my Alamo.

14th round - Chris Smith

Any goodwill he earned by trying to be my partner-in-crime in the 3rd round was ruined when he grabbed Takeo Spikes here.  Sure, I had ample opportunity to snag him earlier as my LB3, but it really looked like the LB run had settled a bit at my earlier turn and I needed to grab some cornerstones at DB.  The 26th LB off the board, Spikes may well be the absolute steal of this draft.

24th round - Magaw

Really wanted Donte Whitner as my DB4 -- big upside here.  But St. Louis Bob suspended his perseverative need to draft every Ram on the board (Gus Frerotte??  ) long enough to snake a highly sought after target.  Plus he and I will be competing for most uncomfortable avatar all season long, so he's firmly on the butthead list.

26th round - Norton

Shockingly, it took 26 rounds for Norton to make me fussy.  Alfred Fincher may well be a starting quality LB in this league and represents pretty ridiculous value here.  Don't get me wrong, I'll take Anthony Simmons, but I wanted Fincher.

29th round - Clayton again

At this point, it's throwing stink on the wall to see what sticks.  Vernand Morency is in a pretty nice position to scream up the charts if DD can't get his knee right.  Waited one round too long here.

this is the best de-briefing since will ferrell streaked through the quad in old school* not sure what this word means... perseverative (root persevere? as in heroic attempt to ward off the feeble efforts by others to steal all the rams that were rightfully mine )...

but maybe if i knew... i wouldn't take so many rams? :(

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB - 3

Brunell, Mark WAS QB - 8

Leftwich, Byron JAC QB - 6

I was fine with waiting on a QB, but Bledsoe seemed like good value to me at the end of round 9. He's durable and the addition of TO should lead to a top-5 season for him. I wanted a solid backup though just in case Bledsoe or TO implodes again, and I'm a huge Leftwich fan. He finished as the #21 ranked QB in FBG scoring last year despite only playing in 11 games. I didn't really need a QB3 but just in case Leftwich gets hurt or something, I snatched up Brunell at 31.11, where he was just a ridiculously good value. His arm strength was back last year and now he has some brand new weapons at WR and a coach who gets 4000 yards from old-man Trent Green every year with Eddie Kennison and a bunch of nobodies at WR. This group should be strong, although QBs don't really look like they'll score a ton of points in this system so I'm not sure how much it will help me.

Johnson, Rudi CIN RB - 5

McGahee, Willis BUF RB - 8

Rhodes, Dominic IND RB - 6

Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB - 9

Started off RB/RB and am very happy with the two guys I got after picking from the 11 hole. Rudi and Willis are both power RBs who should carry a heavy workload and get plenty of goalline opportunities. I waited a little while to grab my next RBs, but I think DeAngelo will be starting in Carolina very soon and I also think there's a decent chance that Rhodes can hold off Addai in Indy. Hopefully, Rhodes will be my RB3 early on and then Williams can take over eventually.

Curtis, Kevin STL WR - 7

Givens, David TEN WR - 7

Mason, Derrick BAL WR - 7

Parker, Eric SDC WR - 3

Ward, Hines PIT WR - 4

Wayne, Reggie IND WR - 6

I made sure to get a strong WR group by spending a 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounder at the position. Ward/Wayne/Mason should be consistently productive and form a reliable starting trio most weeks. Givens has potential to be a quality #4 WR but there were other players I wanted more that I just missed out on. Curtis and Parker are both young WR with some upside who I thought represented great value when I drafted them. After spending 3 high picks on the position, I was forced to ignore it for awhile but I think this group should do fine here.

McMichael, Randy MIA TE - 8

Wiggins, Jermaine MIN TE - 6

McMichael seemed like great value in the 14th round. He's played 4 seasons in the NFL and never finished outside the top-10 TEs, but he was the 11th TE off the board and started a mini-run that included Ben Troupe, Kellen Winslow, Heath Miller, and Jerramy Stevens in the next 11 picks. I wanted a quality backup and grabbed Wiggins just before they were all depleted. He's reportedly lost weight and should easily finish among the top-20 TEs again this year.

Rackers, Neil ARI PK - 9

I passed on Rackers once or twice before finally pulling the trigger. After a monster season last year, this guy is amazingly being overlooked this year. He has the strongest leg in NFL history and now has an offense that should be among the league's best. He might not need to boot as many 50 yarders as he did last year, but if Vanderjagt can lead the league in points playing for the Colts than so can Rackers on this Cards team.

Roye, Orpheus CLE DT - 6

Abraham, John ATL DE - 5

Burgess, Derrick OAK DE - 3

Rice, Simeon TBB DE - 4

IMO, this is the strongest position grouping on my team. Good DEs are usually more scarce than good LBs and certainly much harder to find than good DBs, so I burned some quality picks here to make sure I got some guys I could count on. Playing alongside Rod Coleman and Patrick Kerney, offenses will not be able to double team John Abraham like they were able to in the past. He's going to be turned loose and has a good chance to lead the league in sacks this year. He may lose out on some tackles with Brooking playing behind him, but should put up enough. I was surprised at how long some of the elite DEs were lasting so I was able to wait and wait before finally grabbing Derrick Burgess at 16.02, which is crazy considering the year he just had (52 solo tackles and 16 sacks). Hope he's not just a one year wonder, but he was one of the most dominant defenders in the league last year despite having very little help on an awful Raiders squad so I think he'll be fine as long as he stays healthy. Injuries are definitely a concern for my top 2 here, so I wanted to land a 3rd stud to make sure I was covered in case disaster strikes. At 18.02, Simeon Rice was still sitting there and was a very easy choice. He had a few hiccups in 2005 (was suspended for a game and also put up a goose egg in another), but he still finished as a top-10 DL. Mr. Consistency has averaged 13 sacks/year over the past 5 seasons, almost never misses a game, and should give me 3 DE with top-10 potential at their position. I was pretty comfortable going to war with just those 3, but couldn't pass up the value offered by Orpheus Roye in the 28th round. The guy had 65 solo tackles last year in the Browns new defense and finished in the top-15, but I guess people don't think he can repeat that success. The Browns added Ted Washington to play NT but didn't really make any other upgrades on the line so he should still be the playmaker of the group. In the first 9 games of the 2005 season, Roye averaged 5 solo tackles/game...amazing numbers for a 3-4 DE. I'd be surprised if any other team can match the strength of these 4, and having consistent DL should be a huge advantage in this scoring system.

Farrior, James PIT LB - 4

Fletcher, London BUF LB - 8

James, Bradie DAL LB - 3

Thomas, Adalius BAL LB - 7

Thornton, David TEN LB - 7

Thurman, Odell CIN LB - 5

This group didn't really turn out to be as good as I hoped it would. I waited awhile to get started compared to many other teams, and was happy to grab London Fletcher as my LB1 at pick 6.02. He's never missed a game and has averaged roughly 100 solo tackles, 40 assists, and 4 sacks over the past 6 seasons. Despite a slow start to 2005 with just 32 solo tackles in the first 8 games, he played like a man possessed in the second half and finished with the best numbers of his career averaging a ridiculous 9 solo tackles/game over the final 8 games of the season. The change of defense and return of Spikes will probably make it tough to continue that torrid pace but he should still be very productive in a contract year. I thought I was getting another potential top-10 LB in Odell Thurman at 7.11, and I had heard rumors about him possibly getting suspended but decided to take on the risk anyway. I now wish I had taken a much safer choice like Brooking instead, but hopefully Thurman comes back from his 4 game suspension with something to prove. I thought Farrior represented great value at the 15.11 spot. He's put together 3 straight top-20 type seasons in a row now and I don't see him dropping off much at all. I figured those 3 would be my starters each week and I'd be set, but once the Thurman news came out I had to put more of a priority on building depth at this position. I grabbed Adalius Thomas at pick 21.11 in what was kind of a tough choice, but his numbers from last year were just too hard to ignore (71 solos, 9 sacks, 4 FF, 3 FR, 2 INT) and I think he'll help offset the loss of Thurman for me early on. I also grabbed Bradie James with the 24.02 selection and think he'll be a more than adequate fill-in for a few weeks. After taking over for Dat Nguyen last year, he averaged 6 solo tackles/game in the second half of the season. He won't make too many big plays but should rack up enough tackles to get the job done. At this point, pickings started to get pretty slim but I took a chance on David Thornton in Tennessee. He got a nice contract and although he'll likely be playing on the strong side, he should also be in the team's nickel package and should form a solid tandem with Bulluck. He's been a top-60 fantasy LB the past couple years playing SLB for Indy, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him crack the top-40 this year like Peter Sirmon did in 2002.

Gamble, Chris CAR CB - 9

McGee, Terrence BUF CB - 8

O'Neal, Deltha CIN CB - 5

Kennedy, Kenoy DET S - 8

Parrish, Tony SFO S - 7

Williams, Roy DAL S - 3

Waited and waited at this position before finally deciding to pull the trigger on Roy Williams at 12.02. He probably won't ever put up numbers like he did his rookie season, but I think he's a pretty safe bet to repeat his numbers from last year (72 solos, 2.5 sacks, 3 FF, 3 INT) and hopefully crack the top-10 among fantasy DBs. Waited a long time again before grabbing my DB2 Chris Gamble 10 rounds later at pick 22.02. What's not to like about this kid? 60+ solos/year and 13 interceptions during his first two years in the league, plus teams can't avoid throwing to him thanks to the presence of Ken Lucas on the other side of the field. This seemed like the sweet spot for DBs so I got my DB3 Terrence McGee with my next selection at 23.11. Not only is he the best kickoff returner in the league, but he's also a good young CB who supports the run well, makes plays (7 INTs last 2 years) and will be switching to a Tampa 2 defense this year. Having Clements opposite him also ensures that he'll continue to see plenty of balls thrown his way. I thought these were a solid 3 but I still needed depth and was happy to get Kenoy Kennedy and Tony Parrish at picks 27.11 and 30.02 respectively. Both are veteran strong safeties who have the potential to put up big numbers. Kennedy b/c of his hard hitting and tackling ability (75 solos and a top-30 season during his first year in Detroit), and Parrish because of his playmaking ability (30 career INTs).

I feel like I'm a little behind other teams at LB, but that I can make it up with my strength at DL, 2 strong RBs and 3 strong starting WRs, along with depth and balance almost everywhere else.

Some players I really would have liked to get:

LB Lofa Tatupu. Since Jene had already gone LB/LB, I was hoping to land Tatupu at the 5/6 turn but missed him by just 3 picks and wound up taking Fletcher as a replacement. Plaxico Burress also would have been my choice over Derrick Mason if he had fallen to me.

LB Antonio Pierce Was very hard to pass him up at the turn when I took Mason/Fletcher, but I held out the crazy hope that he might slide. Didn't really come close though and I wound up overpaying for Thurman, who I thought had pretty similar value to Tatupu at that point.

DE Will Smith I passed on him for John Abraham, but would have loved to get him as my DL2.

WRs Bennett, Moulds, Keyshawn, and Jurevicius At 12.02 when I took Roy Williams (DB), I hoped that one of these WRs would last to my next pick so I could land a very strong WR4. Well, these 4 along with 4 others I was less interested in, ALL went off the board between my picks and I wound up having to go with David Givens. He's a nice player but I would have definitely preferred one of the above.

DB Adam Archuleta One of my favorite IDPs and a guy I almost always wind up with on my roster. For some reason, I spaced on him in this draft and immediately regretted missing him when I saw him go off the board to Weiner Dog at 18.07. I would have had to pass on Leftwich or Simeon Rice to land him so I don't regret it too much, but I would have been thrilled with a Roy Williams/Archuleta combo as my top 2 DBs. I had similar feelings when Rodney Harrison went off the board to Jene at 21.12. If he regains his old form at some point, he'll be one of the steals of the draft. Given the injury, could also provide very little production though so its a risk/reward selection at that point.

Pisa Tinoisamoa Debated between him and Adalius Thomas for awhile. Mistakenly thought that Pisa might slide to my next pick.

Channing Crowder Just missed him by 2 picks in the 23rd round and wound up with Bradie James instead.

 

[Jene Bramel]

24th round - Magaw

Really wanted Donte Whitner as my DB4 -- big upside here. But St. Louis Bob suspended his perseverative need to draft every Ram on the board (Gus Frerotte?? ) long enough to snake a highly sought after target. Plus he and I will be competing for most uncomfortable avatar all season long, so he's firmly on the butthead list.

this is the best de-briefing since will ferrell streaked through the quad in old school

* not sure what this word means... perseverative (root persevere? as in heroic attempt to ward off the feeble efforts by others to steal all the rams that were rightfully mine )...

but maybe if i knew... i wouldn't take so many rams? :(

1 entry found for perseverative.

Main Entry: dogged

Part of Speech: adjective

Definition: determined

Synonyms: adamant, bullheaded*, firm, hang tough, hard-nosed*, hardheaded*, indefatigable, inexorable, inflexible, insistent, mulish, obdurate, obstinate, perseverant, perseverative, persevering, persistent, persistive, pertinacious, pigheaded*, ETA: Ram-loving, relentless, resolute, rigid, single-minded, staunch, steadfast, steady, stubborn, tenacious, tough nut*, unbending, unflagging, unshakable, unyielding

Antonyms: compromising, indifferent, irresolute, undetermined, yielding

Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.2.1)

Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

* = informal or slang

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Quick Review of some of my IDP starter picks...

5.03 Jason Taylor - I didnt want to waste a pick on a risky RB, and I felt the quality of WR and QB was going to be level for a while. The 5 pts per sack made DE the pick here, it was just a question of whether it would be Osi or Taylor. I went with Taylor because he seems to be better at getting the huge plays.

6.10 Antonio Pierce - always planned on having him as my #1 LB. I feel he's the same quality as almost everyone that went before him at LB.

7.03 Julius Peppers - still not happy with any offensive pick here, I felt it was best to get two stud DEs in a system that so heavily weights D-linemen. The dropoff at that positon is HARSH.

9.03 Will Witherspoon - Like Pierce, I think he's universally underrated and should produce in the top 12 with no problem in his new role.

10.10 Michael Lewis - a top 5 DB on my board, I was happy to see him last this long, as I still felt the quality on offense was not worth reaching for.

15.03 Sean Taylor - I see him as a safe DB with upside to make huge plays as the centerfielder in the attacking washington D ( 6 pt per INT in this system)

17.03 Shawne Merriman - his 2nd half last year indicates that he will be a rare top 25 LB at the 3-4 OLB.

more to come...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

FBG IDP

Pick Pos Player Team (Projected Points)

10.12 QB11 Trent Green KC/3 (205.5)

12.12 QB21 Drew Brees NO/7 (175.6)

33.01 QB36 Matt Schaub Atl/5 (25)

01.01 RB1 Larry Johnson KC/3 (328.7)

06.12 RB26 Ron Dayne Den/4 (133.9)

07.01 RB34 Thomas Jones Chi/7 (115.7)

14.12 RB37 Chris Perry Cin/5 (97.7)

19.01 RB39 Mike Anderson Bal/7 (91.9)

24.12 RB63 Brian Calhoun Det/8 (42.3)

28.12 RB74 Dee Brown KC/3 (31)

03.01 WR4 Torry Holt StL/7 (196.3)

02.12 WR5 Larry Fitzgerald Ari/9 (194.9)

08.12 WR30 Reggie Brown Phi/9 (125.4)

09.01 WR31 Donte Stallworth NO/7 (123.5)

17.01 WR55 Amani Toomer NYG/4 (87.9)

26.12 WR64 Reche Caldwell NE/6 (72.8)

29.01 WR75 Jabar Gaffney Phi/9 (63.9)

11.01 TE9 L.J. Smith Phi/9 (103.8)

15.01 TE12 Jerramy Stevens Sea/5 (100.1)

27.01 PK3 Shayne Graham Cin/5 (119.9)

20.12 DL25 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila GB/6 (156.8)

30.12 DL28 Cornelius Griffin Was/8 (151.2)

23.01 DL30 Darren Howard Phi/9 (144.9)

13.01 DB5 Ronde Barber TB/4 (184.6)

21.01 DB16 Darren Sharper Min/6 (163.8)

18.12 DB40 Erik Coleman NYJ/9 (147.1)

32.12 DB68 Chris Hope Ten/7 (127.4)

04.12 LB6 Zach Thomas Mia/8 (223.4)

05.01 LB7 Brian Urlacher Chi/7 (223)

16.12 LB20 Tedy Bruschi NE/6 (182.9)

22.12 LB44 Al Wilson Den/4 (154.8)

25.01 LB51 DQwell Jackson Cle/6 (149.5)

31.01 LB112 Landon Johnson Cin/5 (69.5)

Rather than bore you with the scoring system, here are the projected points in (123) form.My draft, in order:

FBG IDP

Pick Pos Player Team (Projected Points)

01.01 RB1 Larry Johnson KC/3 (328.7)

02.12 WR5 Larry Fitzgerald Ari/9 (194.9)

03.01 WR4 Torry Holt StL/7 (196.3)

04.12 LB6 Zach Thomas Mia/8 (223.4)

05.01 LB7 Brian Urlacher Chi/7 (223)

06.12 RB26 Ron Dayne Den/4 (133.9)

07.01 RB34 Thomas Jones Chi/7 (115.7)

08.12 WR30 Reggie Brown Phi/9 (125.4)

09.01 WR31 Donte Stallworth NO/7 (123.5)

10.12 QB11 Trent Green KC/3 (205.5)

11.01 TE9 L.J. Smith Phi/9 (103.8)

12.12 QB21 Drew Brees NO/7 (175.6)

13.01 DB5 Ronde Barber TB/4 (184.6)

14.12 RB37 Chris Perry Cin/5 (97.7)

15.01 TE12 Jerramy Stevens Sea/5 (100.1)

16.12 LB20 Tedy Bruschi NE/6 (182.9)

17.01 WR55 Amani Toomer NYG/4 (87.9)

18.12 DB40 Erik Coleman NYJ/9 (147.1)

19.01 RB39 Mike Anderson Bal/7 (91.9)

20.12 DL25 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila GB/6 (156.8)

21.01 DB16 Darren Sharper Min/6 (163.8)

22.12 LB44 Al Wilson Den/4 (154.8)

23.01 DL30 Darren Howard Phi/9 (144.9)

24.12 RB63 Brian Calhoun Det/8 (42.3)

25.01 LB51 DQwell Jackson Cle/6 (149.5)

26.12 WR64 Reche Caldwell NE/6 (72.8)

27.01 PK3 Shayne Graham Cin/5 (119.9)

28.12 RB74 Dee Brown KC/3 (31)

29.01 WR75 Jabar Gaffney Phi/9 (63.9)

30.12 DL28 Cornelius Griffin Was/8 (151.2)

31.01 LB112 Landon Johnson Cin/5 (69.5)

32.12 DB68 Chris Hope Ten/7 (127.4)

33.01 QB36 Matt Schaub Atl/5 (25)

Opening comments



The first gift I got was the first overall pick. I chose LJ as a matter of preference, but would not have been upset with LT2 either.

Next came 2 stud WRs falling in my lap with Holt and Fitz. That was crazy value. I thought about going RB2 at the 4/5 for maybe Benson / TJones, but my VBD board was screaming to go LB. With so many starters (17), the impact of a weak RB2 would be minimal, if any. I can afford to gamble some there, so that was the path I chose.

As a result, I also chose to grab two elite LBs at 4/5.

So I started:

Larry Johnson

Larry Fitzgerald

Torry Holt

Brian Urlacher

Zach Thomas

That sounds pretty good out of the gate.

Coming back with RB/RB at 6/7 made sense, and I got good value with Dayne and TJones (I missed Benson by 1 pick).

Reggie Brown and Donte Stallworth were again huge values for WR3/4, and I chose them over a TE at the 8/9 turn. LJ Smith was thankfully still there at 10, so I scooped him up along with my starting QB, the always underrated Trent Green.

Round 12 and my other desired QB is there, Drew Brees. Easy choice, especially if I can couple him with Stallworth.

I know by now that I'm neglecting IDPs, but that is on purpose. I don't see much differentiation amongst DBs and DLs, so I can afford to wait while I get skill positions. Grabbing 2 LBs early set the stage there and afforded me the chance to grab predominantly offense at the top of the draft.

But, come Round 13, I felt that I had good value on the board. So I chose Ronde Barber.

14/15 I take more values, Chris Perry and TE Jerramy Stevens. I know by taking Stevens I miss out on Zach Hilton, but I can live with that.

After here, I decide to start to lean towards grabbing one offense, one defense for the balance of the draft. I figure that I will take 3 DL (start 2), 4-5 DBs (start 3), and 5-6 LBs (start 3). We will see how that progresses.

16/17 - LB3 in Tedy Bruschi. Reasonably happy with that choice. WR - Amani Toomer - had him as an underrated WR.

18/19 - Erik Coleman - I'm not much into IDP, (hence the team name), but I dabble. His numbers looked too good to pass up. RB Mike Anderson was also a good value.

20/21 - KGB as my first DL. Tough to get a DL stud unless they project to high sack totals. KGB works for that, as we near the end of 8-10 sack-projected linemen.

Oops - broke the "1 Off, 1 Def" pattern. Took DB2 here in Darren Sharper. His value was too high so I took him here as I started to lean towards getting my starters.

22/23 - LB Al Wilson - purely a projection pick based on FBG rankings. I know the name and he's ok in my book, but I think he's just kinda serviceable. He does have a 99-tackle season in his career, but I see him as a spot starter at best on my team.

Oops - did it again. Had to. One of my Eagles was a value, so I took Darren Howard. Almost took him at 20/21 with KGB, but he stayed on the board for me. Again - 8-10 projected sacks. Value.

24/25 - Missed out on some sleeper RBs (Drew, Cobbs), but Calhoun on the board. Time to take him.

D'Qwell Jackson. I think the apostrophe is creating issues on the site today, as I can't find him on a few pages, but he's a huge value here. ADP of the 17th round? Granted rooks go higher, but this is HUGE value for LB5. Added bonus of his bye week playing off 3 of the 4 I have already selected, including the Top 3. Sign him up.

Whew. I need a break.



Ok, let's continue. We're almost done.

26/27 - WR run (???) goin' down. Not sure why, none are really valuable that I see - maybe Cedrick Wilson or Battle - but come my turn my guy is there. Reche Caldwell is being slept on, again. Signed him up.

Went PK here with a few off the board already. Figured I'd get one with a leg and with some distance bonus, that could be a value. Former Hokie Shayne Graham on board.

28/29 - Jabar Gaffney still there, my projected WR2 in Philly. Grab. Dee Brown also taken to handcuff to LJ.

30/31 - Winding down. Thought about QB3 here, probably should have done it.

DL Cornelius Griffin looks like a steal based on Norton's rankings, so I'm buying in.

The next pick was a stealth value play - taking Landon Johnson who is allegedly filling in for Odell Thurman in Cincy for 4 games. That's 1/3 of the regular season here, so I will take MLB numbers for 4 games, sure. If I have to cut him come bye week management season, so be it.

32/33 - Ok, not taking QB3 at 30/31 hurts now. I wish I had taken Frye, but he's gone one pick before my turn. Second time Norton got me (Benson way early), but overall I can't be too angry with this draft. I take my sleeper DB (yep, I have one, really) in Chris Hope. I hear that they are going to use him in TEN like PIT uses Troy Palumalu, so that's worth a flyer to me.

I take Matt Schaub with a QB3 role - only because I think he might have a decent game if Vick is hurt. Not my favorite choice by far. We'll see how long he sticks on my team, or if I trade him to the Vick owner.



Conclusions

FBG IDP

Pick Pos Player Team (Projected Points)

10.12 QB11 Trent Green KC/3 (205.5)

12.12 QB21 Drew Brees NO/7 (175.6)

33.01 QB36 Matt Schaub Atl/5 (25)

01.01 RB1 Larry Johnson KC/3 (328.7)

06.12 RB26 Ron Dayne Den/4 (133.9)

07.01 RB34 Thomas Jones Chi/7 (115.7)

14.12 RB37 Chris Perry Cin/5 (97.7)

19.01 RB39 Mike Anderson Bal/7 (91.9)

24.12 RB63 Brian Calhoun Det/8 (42.3)

28.12 RB74 Dee Brown KC/3 (31)

03.01 WR4 Torry Holt StL/7 (196.3)

02.12 WR5 Larry Fitzgerald Ari/9 (194.9)

08.12 WR30 Reggie Brown Phi/9 (125.4)

09.01 WR31 Donte Stallworth NO/7 (123.5)

17.01 WR55 Amani Toomer NYG/4 (87.9)

26.12 WR64 Reche Caldwell NE/6 (72.8)

29.01 WR75 Jabar Gaffney Phi/9 (63.9)

11.01 TE9 L.J. Smith Phi/9 (103.8)

15.01 TE12 Jerramy Stevens Sea/5 (100.1)

27.01 PK3 Shayne Graham Cin/5 (119.9)

20.12 DL25 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila GB/6 (156.8)

30.12 DL28 Cornelius Griffin Was/8 (151.2)

23.01 DL30 Darren Howard Phi/9 (144.9)

13.01 DB5 Ronde Barber TB/4 (184.6)

21.01 DB16 Darren Sharper Min/6 (163.8)

18.12 DB40 Erik Coleman NYJ/9 (147.1)

32.12 DB68 Chris Hope Ten/7 (127.4)

04.12 LB6 Zach Thomas Mia/8 (223.4)

05.01 LB7 Brian Urlacher Chi/7 (223)

16.12 LB20 Tedy Bruschi NE/6 (182.9)

22.12 LB44 Al Wilson Den/4 (154.8)

25.01 LB51 DQwell Jackson Cle/6 (149.5)

31.01 LB112 Landon Johnson Cin/5 (69.5)

Wow this is long. I hope that covers it well enough. Feel free to tear it up/down and evaluate it. I think I'm strong at RB1, WR1-3, TE1, LB1-2, DB1 and PK. DL and DB are ok - not fantastic - but they are manageable. My bye weeks look great - WR2 and 3 (Brown, Fitz) have the same week, but I have 7 WRs so I should be fine. My DL (3) have no overlapped byes, nor do my DBs or 5 of 6 LBs. That's great news.

QB3 could certainly be better, but if that's my biggest issue I'm not worried. Green and Brees should handle the job.

We'll see how this goes, but if the Draft Dominator grades this anything like it will play out, I have the overall strongest team at both depth and starters. I'm not 100% sold on picking based on DD projections of course, I just check out the results when all is said and done. I found it interesting that I'm projected to go 8-0 with 5 games too close to call, so I like the sound of that.

OK - so how did I do?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Quick Review of some of my IDP starter picks...

17.03 Shawne Merriman - his 2nd half last year indicates that he will be a rare top 25 LB at the 3-4 OLB.

more to come...

That was probably a bad call by me to take Bruschi over Merriman.

 

[Rovers]

I did something I had never done before, or at least in as long as I can remember (which isn't very long these days), when I took a QB in the first round. I wanted Manning. Never owned him. Tons of separation between him and #2 in my book and with the departure of Edge, it could be a year closer to a couple years ago than last year. Not sure I do this in a money league, as I'm far too conservative in nature.

I knew this would remove me from the stud RB game and I went with it by taking Chad Johnson in round two. I was going to go WR again with Owens in round three but he was snatched up just ahead of me by Weiner.

When I took Manning in round one, I started eyeballing Warrick Dunn in round four. Several mocks I did put him right there. Instead I was foiled by Overton one pick before mine. Probably getting me back for poker in Vegas. It wouldn't be the last time Overton did this to me. I went with Foster instead, who has tremendous upside and could be a top 5 RB in the three games he plays.

I got Fred Taylor and Ahman Green as my RB3 and RB4.

I think I was the last one to take an IDP in this league. Not only am I confident with my IDP skills, even against the competition in this league, but the dynamic VBD pushed me elsewhere time and again.

Overton snagged Drew Bennet one pick before I had him in round 12. I figured Isaac Bruce was going to fall to me in 13, sio I took Karlos Dansby. Bloom took Bruce though befopre it got back to me. Bloom also took David Carr before I thought I had him in 19.

The next thing I did that I know I had never done before was I was the first to take a kicker. I've been playing FF for over 20 years and have been in multiple redraft leagues for at the least the last five years and I had NEVER taken a kicker before anyone else in a draft. But I got Vinatieri in round 20. I think perhaps too many had the same previous philosophy and getting the best kicker this year seemed worth it. I don't think I lost anything due to that decision.

Thomas Davis was mine, MINE, in round 24 but cracker scooped him up two spots before me.

In round 26, I wanted Reche Caldwell, but I slyly figured most were higher on Chad Jackson, and I wanted both. So I took Jackson first. Caldwell would be there coming back, right? Nope. Pasquino took him.

Jene just took Pinkston when I had him in my preselects. So it's really been a draft where I barely missed on an awful lot of guys. But them's the breaks and I knew they would all be close.

Oh yeah. My IDPs. I got them all late, as I said. Later than every other owner as a whole.

At DL, I took Freeney and Kampman. I like Kampman's tackle consistency. I also got Mike Rucker and Travis LaBoy. LaBoy is my surprise pick. Take a look at the second half of last season for this second year player. He had 24/9 tackles in his 8 last games and showed he can play against the run. He should be a three down player all year.

At LB, I started weak. I like Nick Barnett but have my worries. Lance Briggs is a stud and I believe he'll excel in the cover two. Dansy is a gamble, especially since I almost never take SLBs, but Dansby is a difference maker. Adding Eric Barton (although Vilma tears into his numbers in the 3-4), LeRoy Hill and Clark Haggans made me feel a lot better.

At DB, I got Dunta Robinson. A CB. But a special one, even if it's not in the best scheme for a CB. Robinson is special and look for the kind of gamebreaking things he did in his rookie year to shine through. He's also a great tackler and loads up on them. Josh Bullocks should have a big second season. Look for nice improvement. Tank Williams is one of my guys. I always seem to take him. Hasn't done much for me in his career. I think this is the year for him as a Viking. The guy plays like an extra LB against the run. Think a bigger Bob Sanders. Corey Chavous and Darius adds to my depth there.

Do I like my IDPs as well as most others? Not really. But I think I made up for it on offense.

Going with Manning was a gutsy move, but it worked out. I really liked your draft until the Green pick, where I would have taken one of the last (I think) #1 WR left on the board, Evans. Then, instead of Coles in the next round (Jet homer, hate Coles this year) I would have jumped on Brooking and done my special poo-poo-happy dance on the roof. Instead of Green, I would have looked for the hancuff to D'A Williams and Foster later on. Barnett is dropping as many suspect he will go SLB, but that is far from set in stone, and I really like Dansby this year. Briggs at 14.6 was a steal, and gives you a solid if not spectacular LB corp. Bullocks was a really nice value, but there is still a chance he won't start, so a bit risky, but at that slot, a nice pick, me thinks. Nice job.

 

[dirtyhalos]

Pinocchio Theory - you can't fake the funk or your nose will grow; STL won't fake the TE or no red zone O (Bootzilla and the Clones of Dr. Klopfenstein)
what means this? in english?

 

[RAPTURE]

Can I be someone's Assistant Coach during the season?

RAPTURE

 

[Chaos Commish]

Another great resource.

I'm in two identical 12 team IDP redrafts (one snake, one auction), and the scoring is similar, but not quite as aggressive with the defense. I have every intention of winning LJ and going from there in the auction. I have drawn the #1 slot in the snake. So, Jeff's Fake IDPs are of particular interest to me.

The first gift I got was the first overall pick. I chose LJ as a matter of preference, but would not have been upset with LT2 either.

Next came 2 stud WRs falling in my lap with Holt and Fitz. That was crazy value. I thought about going RB2 at the 4/5 for maybe Benson / TJones, but my VBD board was screaming to go LB. With so many starters (17), the impact of a weak RB2 would be minimal, if any. I can afford to gamble some there, so that was the path I chose.

As a result, I also chose to grab two elite LBs at 4/5.

So I started:

Larry Johnson

Larry Fitzgerald

Torry Holt

Brian Urlacher

Zach Thomas

It moved! Beautiful. I only hope to be so lucky at the first corner. Some risk was assumed at RB, to go studly at LB, and I'm not sure I like it. My scoring is not quite as agreessive but LBs are heavy hitters. I'm asking myself if I wouldn't prefer Freddy or Deuce to one of the LBs, and have Witherspoon as opposed to Stallworth. This assumes staying with the 6-7 corner RBs, which I just loved seeing. Great chance of hitting a paydirt at least once there, maybe in both cases. KC, Den or Chi ground game in play with those LBs and WRs. You killed these guys.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Pinocchio Theory - you can't fake the funk or your nose will grow; STL won't fake the TE or no red zone O (Bootzilla and the Clones of Dr. Klopfenstein) what means this? in english?

bootsy (my old avatar before circa get up with it miles) really had a song (or lyric) about pinocchio theory... you can't fakes the funk or nose must surely grow...parliament (bootsy's band after james brown & before going solo) had an album titled... CLONES OF DR. FUNKENSTEIN so it was a riff on that...

i think that though rookie TEs might generally be risky, fact that smartz is no longer there (who ignored the position), linehan uses TE a lot (see wiggins & mcmichael), they cut manu-ollyollyoxenfree, drafted klopfenstein with a high second rounder and the rams have struggled in red zone for several years due to lack of a weapon like he presents (some scouts thought he was second best TE in draft, though i would say no better than third after davis & lewis) could mean he gets involved early & often in the potentially scary looking STL passing attack, & will make a serviceable TE2.

 

[Chaos Commish]

11.11 - Rhodes, Dominic IND RB - 6

8.02 - Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB - 9

Started off RB/RB and am very happy with the two guys I got after picking from the 11 hole. Rudi and Willis are both power RBs who should carry a heavy workload and get plenty of goalline opportunities. I waited a little while to grab my next RBs, but I think DeAngelo will be starting in Carolina very soon and I also think there's a decent chance that Rhodes can hold off Addai in Indy. Hopefully, Rhodes will be my RB3 early on and then Williams can take over eventually.

I really like your punch at RB and WR, and I think RBs three and four above are a sweet match and key if you can figure out when to use them. Rhodes early in the season if and when needed could be gold and he should have been long gone, imo. DeAngelo late in the season. Nicely done. Your IDPs also remind me of a typical Chaos draft. I stock up the O as the stud LBs fall, but try to solidify things with potent DLs. It worked like a charm last year. I too liked it better before Thurman was given an extended offseason. Rudnicki.

 

[Dave Baker]

Going with Manning was a gutsy move, but it worked out. I really liked your draft until the Green pick, where I would have taken one of the last (I think) #1 WR left on the board, Evans. Then, instead of Coles in the next round (Jet homer, hate Coles this year) I would have jumped on Brooking and done my special poo-poo-happy dance on the roof.

Instead of Green, I would have looked for the hancuff to D'A Williams and Foster later on. Barnett is dropping as many suspect he will go SLB, but that is far from set in stone, and I really like Dansby this year. Briggs at 14.6 was a steal, and gives you a solid if not spectacular LB corp. Bullocks was a really nice value, but there is still a chance he won't start, so a bit risky, but at that slot, a nice pick, me thinks. Nice job.

With Foster and Taylor on my team at that point, I figured to go with Green. That way I have three guys who might get hurt. Seriously, it was some insurance. As for Evans, I like him but Losman/Holcomb/Nall scare me a little and I like Coles more anyway. And DeAngelo was gone by my next pick, as I figured.Barnett is scary as I stated earlier. I personally think he either stays in the middle or moves to the weakside. When they first took Hawk, I thought Hawk was the more natural fit on the strong side, at least more than Barnett. Rolling the dice.

 

[dirtyhalos]

bootsy (my old avatar before circa get up with it miles) really had a song (or lyric) about pinocchio theory... you can't fakes the funk or nose must surely grow...parliament (bootsy's band after james brown & before going solo) had an album titled... CLONES OF DR. FUNKENSTEIN so it was a riff on that...

on the history lesson

i think that though rookie TEs might generally be risky, fact that smartz is no longer there (who ignored the position), linehan uses TE a lot (see wiggins & mcmichael), they cut manu-ollyollyoxenfree, drafted klopfenstein with a high second rounder and the rams have struggled in red zone for several years due to lack of a weapon like he presents (some scouts thought he was second best TE in draft, though i would say no better than third after davis & lewis) could mean he gets involved early & often in the potentially scary looking STL passing attack, & will make a serviceable TE2.

you got him late and as the 22nd TE.....I agree about the boost in productivity with the STL TEs, but not sure its not more of a split with Byrd.....regardless, still a good gamble considering round you got him in

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Another great resource.

I'm in two identical 12 team IDP redrafts (one snake, one auction), and the scoring is similar, but not quite as aggressive with the defense. I have every intention of winning LJ and going from there in the auction. I have drawn the #1 slot in the snake. So, Jeff's Fake IDPs are of particular interest to me.

The first gift I got was the first overall pick. I chose LJ as a matter of preference, but would not have been upset with LT2 either.

Next came 2 stud WRs falling in my lap with Holt and Fitz. That was crazy value. I thought about going RB2 at the 4/5 for maybe Benson / TJones, but my VBD board was screaming to go LB. With so many starters (17), the impact of a weak RB2 would be minimal, if any. I can afford to gamble some there, so that was the path I chose.

As a result, I also chose to grab two elite LBs at 4/5.

So I started:

Larry Johnson

Larry Fitzgerald

Torry Holt

Brian Urlacher

Zach Thomas

It moved! Beautiful. I only hope to be so lucky at the first corner. Some risk was assumed at RB, to go studly at LB, and I'm not sure I like it. My scoring is not quite as agreessive but LBs are heavy hitters. I'm asking myself if I wouldn't prefer Freddy or Deuce to one of the LBs, and have Witherspoon as opposed to Stallworth. This assumes staying with the 6-7 corner RBs, which I just loved seeing. Great chance of hitting a paydirt at least once there, maybe in both cases. KC, Den or Chi ground game in play with those LBs and WRs. You killed these guys.

I'd really like to hear more about my team. I rarely play IDP that much, (hence the name), so I'm curious if I got suckered on any IDP guys.

All-in-all, I love my team from what I can tell.

 

[tex]

Another great resource.

I'm in two identical 12 team IDP redrafts (one snake, one auction), and the scoring is similar, but not quite as aggressive with the defense. I have every intention of winning LJ and going from there in the auction. I have drawn the #1 slot in the snake. So, Jeff's Fake IDPs are of particular interest to me.

The first gift I got was the first overall pick.  I chose LJ as a matter of preference, but  would not have been upset with LT2 either.

Next came 2 stud WRs falling in my lap with Holt and Fitz.  That was crazy value.  I thought about going RB2 at the 4/5 for maybe Benson / TJones, but my VBD board was screaming to go LB.  With so many starters (17), the impact of a weak RB2 would be minimal, if any.  I can afford to gamble some there, so that was the path I chose.

As a result, I also chose to grab two elite LBs at 4/5. 

So I started:

Larry Johnson

Larry Fitzgerald

Torry Holt

Brian Urlacher

Zach Thomas

It moved! Beautiful. I only hope to be so lucky at the first corner. Some risk was assumed at RB, to go studly at LB, and I'm not sure I like it. My scoring is not quite as agreessive but LBs are heavy hitters. I'm asking myself if I wouldn't prefer Freddy or Deuce to one of the LBs, and have Witherspoon as opposed to Stallworth. This assumes staying with the 6-7 corner RBs, which I just loved seeing. Great chance of hitting a paydirt at least once there, maybe in both cases. KC, Den or Chi ground game in play with those LBs and WRs. You killed these guys.

CC, I can guarantee you won't be quite that lucky in our draft as I have the 2.10. And unless a RB falls to me there, either Holt or Fitz will be taken at that pick unless someone else grabs then earlier.

 

[Dave Baker]

I'd really like to hear more about my team.

It sucks.

 

[Chaos Commish]

CC, I can guarantee you won't be quite that lucky in our draft as I have the 2.10. And unless a RB falls to me there, either Holt or Fitz will be taken at that pick unless someone else grabs then earlier.

but...



Man, I can almost smell the cut grass.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Can I be someone's Assistant Coach during the season?

RAPTURE

Come on aboard, son. Grab your fishing pole and tackle.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'd really like to hear more about my team.

It sucks.

Brilliant commentary. Fearing your Week 1 loss already?

 

[Weiner Dog]

Another great resource.

I'm in two identical 12 team IDP redrafts (one snake, one auction), and the scoring is similar, but not quite as aggressive with the defense. I have every intention of winning LJ and going from there in the auction. I have drawn the #1 slot in the snake. So, Jeff's Fake IDPs are of particular interest to me.

The first gift I got was the first overall pick. I chose LJ as a matter of preference, but would not have been upset with LT2 either.

Next came 2 stud WRs falling in my lap with Holt and Fitz. That was crazy value. I thought about going RB2 at the 4/5 for maybe Benson / TJones, but my VBD board was screaming to go LB. With so many starters (17), the impact of a weak RB2 would be minimal, if any. I can afford to gamble some there, so that was the path I chose.

As a result, I also chose to grab two elite LBs at 4/5.

So I started:

Larry Johnson

Larry Fitzgerald

Torry Holt

Brian Urlacher

Zach Thomas

It moved! Beautiful. I only hope to be so lucky at the first corner. Some risk was assumed at RB, to go studly at LB, and I'm not sure I like it. My scoring is not quite as agreessive but LBs are heavy hitters. I'm asking myself if I wouldn't prefer Freddy or Deuce to one of the LBs, and have Witherspoon as opposed to Stallworth. This assumes staying with the 6-7 corner RBs, which I just loved seeing. Great chance of hitting a paydirt at least once there, maybe in both cases. KC, Den or Chi ground game in play with those LBs and WRs. You killed these guys.

I'd really like to hear more about my team. I rarely play IDP that much, (hence the name), so I'm curious if I got suckered on any IDP guys.

All-in-all, I love my team from what I can tell.

You got it.Picks I like

Cornelius Griffin - He played injured last year. Griffin could easily erupt for 50+ solos and 6 sacks, especially now that Andre Carter can help generate a pass-rush. Excellent value where you got him.

Tedy Bruschi - Ladies and gents...here's the only ILB on the Pats roster with the ability to start in the NFL. You can never count this guy out. Even though you're taking on additional risk with Bruschi's health, I look for him to outperform his draft position by 5-10 slots.

Brian Urlacher - Quite simply, this animal has the ability to be the #1 scoring LB despite grabbing him as the #5 LB. Vilma, Bullucks, Lewis, etc have nothing on this guy.

Ronde Barber - Barber and Antoine Winfield are the two best tackling CB's in the league. Oh, yeah...BTW...they also play in the Cover-2. Barber also knows he's playing for a new contract at season's end. He cannot let Tiki buy all the big gifts for Mom at Xmas time.

Picks I don't like

KGB - I believe his catchy name supercedes his FF value. KBG has never surpassed 40 solo tackles in a season. Now...he's coming off a career-low 8 sacks despite playing all 16 games last season. He does, however, offer intriguing upside from a sack perspective.

Darren Howard - From a statistic standpoint, this guy is a slower version of KBG. He has never surpassed 40 solos and has only surpassed 8 sacks once in the past five seasons. Howard will be moved to DT on passing downs for PHI. This will keep his sacks in the 6-8 range. Couple this with his track record of not being a tackle-hog, and you have an average DL for our league.

Darren Sharper - Sharper is tailor-made for big-play leagues. Our league is not. Despite playing at least 13 games per season over the past five campaigns, Sharper has only eclipsed 72 tackles once. Now...he'll be asked to help carry Smoot's jock in zone coverage and will be playing even further from the line. Unless he picks-off 9 balls again, it'll be tough to get consistent points from him.

Landon Johnson - Sure...Odell is out for 4 games. However, nobody is exactly sure who'll start where. At last check, it sounds like Simmons will man the middle in Thurman's absense. Even if Johnson starts (which he probably will), he will only be a 2-down LB (Simmons and Pollack will stay on the field). I would have personally chose a starting LB with upside over a 4-game spot-starter.

 

[Dave Baker]

I'd really like to hear more about my team.

It sucks.

Brilliant commentary. Fearing your Week 1 loss already?

That's about as brilliant as my commentary gets. In fact, it gets worse from here. Get used to it.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'd really like to hear more about my team.

It sucks.

Brilliant commentary. Fearing your Week 1 loss already?

That's about as brilliant as my commentary gets. In fact, it gets worse from here. Get used to it.

Just like your team.