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Who would you vote for in 2024?

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Moderate

Democrat although I have voted Republican 35-40% of the time

Biden but only because I dont like the other options.

 
Last question threw me.  Ask me that just over a year ago and its Pete.  Now, said Yang as I just think his ideas and mind really would be what we need. 

 
Last question should have been “Check all that apply”. I put Biden because I figured I’ll end up voting for the Democrat, and he’s the one most likely to be the nominee. In fact, other than Harris, I think it is exceedingly unlikely that any of the other Dems listed here will be the nominee. But in truth I have no idea who will run or what the situation will be by 2024.

 
The General said:
I would vote for many people listed. Will very likely be the Dem.
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ignatiusjreilly said:
Last question should have been “Check all that apply”. I put Biden because I figured I’ll end up voting for the Democrat, and he’s the one most likely to be the nominee. In fact, other than Harris, I think it is exceedingly unlikely that any of the other Dems listed here will be the nominee. But in truth I have no idea who will run or what the situation will be by 2024.
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I wanted to see who everyone's 1st choice would be rather than dilute the results with secondary choices.  Look at the popularity of Yang and Buttigieg.  Could either secure the Democratic nomination?

 
Voted "None of These" for 2024, although that's not quite right. There are some on that list I could be persuaded to vote for.

In other poll I was a No on Trump and a Maybe on Biden.

 
Caveman33 said:
I wanted to see who everyone's 1st choice would be rather than dilute the results with secondary choices.  Look at the popularity of Yang and Buttigieg.  Could either secure the Democratic nomination?
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No. I think after his collapse in NYC Yang's political career is over. As for Pete, I still don't see it. He ran a good campaign last year and raised his profile, but I'd much rather see him go back and run for governor of Indiana. It would still be a tough haul, but is way more realistic than him getting the Dem nomination.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
No. I think after his collapse in NYC Yang's political career is over. As for Pete, I still don't see it. He ran a good campaign last year and raised his profile, but I'd much rather see him go back and run for governor of Indiana. It would still be a tough haul, but is way more realistic than him getting the Dem nomination.
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I think Pete would be a great candidate if he weren't gay.  I would gladly vote for him but I just don't think enough Americans would be able to get by that.

I am not a fan of Harris and think she is nearly as unlikable as Hillary which spells trouble for the Democrats if Biden doesn't run for reelection.  If the Republican party wasn't so bat-crazy I could see me voting GOP or third party for president in 2024 but the candidate they nominate will be Trump or a Trump wanna-be.

 
I voted "conservative," "none," and "none of these" but really I would vote for a few names on that list and they don't all come from the same party.  I just didn't feel like choosing one in particular.

 
Conservative

Democrat (until the Trump Q parts of the GOP disappear into the black hole of history they deserve to go into). 

Mayor Pete. Would have clicked on a few of them if that was an option,  but none of the GOP, see above. 

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Conservative

Democrat (until the Trump Q parts of the GOP disappear into the black hole of history they deserve to go into). 

Mayor Pete. Would have clicked on a few of them if that was an option,  but none of the GOP, see above. 
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ouch.  That's got to hurt to type that.

 
Godsbrother said:
I think Pete would be a great candidate if he weren't gay.  I would gladly vote for him but I just don't think enough Americans would be able to get by that.

I am not a fan of Harris and think she is nearly as unlikable as Hillary which spells trouble for the Democrats if Biden doesn't run for reelection.  If the Republican party wasn't so bat-crazy I could see me voting GOP or third party for president in 2024 but the candidate they nominate will be Trump or a Trump wanna-be.
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Really don`t think being gay matters.  Pete is much more electable than Harris.   Question is will he run against Harris in 24?

 
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knowledge dropper said:
Why is this so funny?
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So no answer?  Just a whatabout this other post?

I can list a bunch of ways Ted Cruz would be an awful POTUS.  There is a whole Ted Cruz thread.  And Im not AAABatteries…so you would have to ask him.  Im asking the person who made the comment about Yang.

 
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sho nuff said:
So no answer?  Just a whatabout this other post?

I can list a bunch of ways Ted Cruz would be an awful POTUS.  There is a whole Ted Cruz thread.  And Im not AAABatteries…so you would have to ask him.  Im asking the person who made the comment about Yang.
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I already pointed out he has zero experience and can’t get traction for NYC Mayor.  I find it telling how you jumped on my Lol and not a poster on the other/your side.  This is exactly the type of thing Joe asked you not to do in another thread.  I refuse to take the bait so you can get me a TO during draft season.  Good Day!  

 
knowledge dropper said:
I already pointed out he has zero experience and can’t get traction for NYC Mayor.  I find it telling how you jumped on my Lol and not a poster on the other/your side.  This is exactly the type of thing Joe asked you not to do in another thread.  I refuse to take the bait so you can get me a TO during draft season.  Good Day!  
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Never has and never will, always the same and best to avoid. 

 
knowledge dropper said:
I already pointed out he has zero experience and can’t get traction for NYC Mayor.  I find it telling how you jumped on my Lol and not a poster on the other/your side.  This is exactly the type of thing Joe asked you not to do in another thread.  I refuse to take the bait so you can get me a TO during draft season.  Good Day!  
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Umm...I believe Joe's post in that other thread was to both of us.  Not just me.

And what I questioned (no jumping on) was a laugh at the guy I specifically said I would support...so I wondered why.  It had zero to do with someone else's post about Ted Cruz.  I think there are major differences in age and experience here that would lead someone to write off Cruz at the moment...but think Yang isn't done in politics or chances for office including POTUS.

 
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Rubiobot said:
I would vote for Kasich if he ran but unfortunately level-headed conservatives that don't believe the election lies dont have a chance. 
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MTskibum said:
Should have had Kasich/Klobuchar as options as they seem to be the most moderate for each party.
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I will include them next time and drop Pence and Obama.  Who else should be included?

Shout out to KnowledgeDropper for stepping up and planting the Trump Flag.  No love for Nikki Haley or Ben Sasse from anyone?

 
sho nuff said:
Umm...I believe Joe's post in that other thread was to both of us.  Not just me.

And what I questioned (no jumping on) was a laugh at the guy I specifically said I would support...so I wondered why.  It had zero to do with someone else's post about Ted Cruz.  I think there are major differences in age and experience here that would lead someone to write off Cruz at the moment...but think Yang isn't done in politics or chances for office including POTUS.
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Ted Cruz is 50.  Yang is 46.  Yang has never held office and Cruz has won multiple terms to the US Senate.  Sometimes it’s better to not have to get in the last word.  

 
knowledge dropper said:
Ted Cruz is 50.  Yang is 46.  Yang has never held office and Cruz has won multiple terms to the US Senate.  Sometimes it’s better to not have to get in the last word.  
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In today's political climate...I don't think Cruz's years of office are a plus to him.  Nor do I think experience will be a factor any longer thanks to Trump...right?

My liking of Yang is that I don't think he gets attacked from the left if he is a little too moderate...whereas Pete would...see the Bernie supporters thoughts on him from the primaries.

There is a lengthy Ted Cruz thread around somewhere describing exactly why he would not make a good POTUS.

 
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I voted independent instead of conservative. Considering my break with the American right and intellectual right is so thorough, i felt bad calling myself that which no longer even comes close to representing me. When the intellectual leaders seriously discuss monarchy and secession and anti-democratic policies as tenable or desirable, count me out. As Walter Berns told First Things once, “Take my name off of your masthead.”

 
rockaction said:
I voted independent instead of conservative. Considering my break with the American right and intellectual right is so thorough, i felt bad calling myself that which no longer even comes close to representing me. When the intellectual leaders seriously discuss monarchy and secession and anti-democratic policies as tenable or desirable, count me out. As Walter Berns told First Things once, “Take my name off of your masthead.”
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I kind of agonized over that choice too.  One one hand, I'm kind of reluctant to share a political label with Trump supporters.  On the other hand, I was a conservative long before those people came along, and as we all learned from Office Space, why should I have to change my name when he's the one who sucks?

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
I kind of agonized over that choice too.  One one hand, I'm kind of reluctant to share a political label with Trump supporters.  On the other hand, I was a conservative long before those people came along, and as we all learned from Office Space, why should I have to change my name when he's the one who sucks?
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I get that, but in my mind conservative thought has changed and the cognoscenti have taken a dangerous tack that I want no part of, even by mistaken association. Best to assert it in demonstrative and meaningful fashion. Independent it is, though that may be a misnomer as most independents are a mish-mash of ideas that are incoherent. I’d like to think I’m a consistent classical liberal that believes in the art and science of politics, just like in the Enlightenment. 

 
rockaction said:
I get that, but in my mind conservative thought has changed and the cognoscenti have taken a dangerous tack that I want no part of, even by mistaken association. Best to assert it in demonstrative and meaningful fashion. Independent it is, though that may be a misnomer as most independents are a mish-mash of ideas that are incoherent. I’d like to think I’m a consistent classical liberal that believes in the art and science of politics, just like in the Enlightenment. 
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Some people have questioned the difference between moderate and independent.  Everyone's answer likely differs but I thought independent may be more of a mish-mash of ideas whereas moderate is more in the middle on most issues.  One example of an extreme view is that I feel our country could benefit from well organized work camps.  Our prison system should certainly be break even or even profitable.  But the work camps would be for those who are without work and looking for assistance. I envision them as being like the military, but actually productive and efficient.

 
Caveman33 said:
Some people have questioned the difference between moderate and independent.  Everyone's answer likely differs but I thought independent may be more of a mish-mash of ideas whereas moderate is more in the middle on most issues.  One example of an extreme view is that I feel our country could benefit from well organized work camps.  Our prison system should certainly be break even or even profitable.  But the work camps would be for those who are without work and looking for assistance. I envision them as being like the military, but actually productive and efficient.
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I agree with you about the terms "moderate" and "independent." That strikes me as a good explanation -- as good as one might offer.

Your policy proposal strikes me as compulsive and authoritarian, though. You might find a home for that in authoritarian conservative circles, actually. I also would disagree with it. There are too many criminal laws right now. No need to provide incentive for the government to enforce them, and in the name of the public good throw people in the clink, in my estimation.

 
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Conservative

Republican (more at the state/local level)

None - probably leave blank in 2024, wont even consider a D right now.  Maybe I’ll vote for a social worker lol.

 
rockaction said:
I agree with you about the terms "moderate" and "independent." That strikes me as a good explanation -- as good as one might offer.

Your policy proposal strikes me as compulsive and authoritarian, though. You might find a home for that in authoritarian conservative circles, actually. I also would disagree with it. There are too many criminal laws right now. No need to provide incentive for the government to enforce them, and in the name of the public good throw people in the clink, in my estimation.
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True.  I don't believe there should be a private, for-profit prison system, and I don't want to provide incentive for locking people up unnecessarily.  But the fact that it costs around 50K a year to imprison mostly able bodied people reflects poorly on our current system.

As far as the 'work camps' for those who want assistance, it is an idealistic thought that has very little practicality.  I know it sounds authoritarian, especially calling them work camps, but I could see myself signing up for such work.  Provided housing, regular meals, and a structured schedule, I can be a productive worker.  But just as our prison system loses so much money, our government would likely squander so much on the salaries of redundant people and inefficiencies in overseeing the work camps that they would become costly as well.

 
knowledge dropper said:
Lol @ Yang.  He got smoked trying to be Mayor of New York.  Maybe he should win a city council seat first?  
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Not that I disagree, though I do like Yang.

But I'm not sure that's terribly relevant. Can you imagine the beating Trump would take running for Mayor of NYC? Not even now, but back when he was Democrat.

 
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