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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

No, I meant sacrificing the Rook on G3 with check.  Is there a way to get a pawn home afterwards?  I went through a few moves and didn't see how to do it, but I'm wondering if a good player might be able to do something with the idea.
Oh OK. Yeah I've looked at this several times. There's no way. Earlier I thought it made sense because our bishop guards the square on c1. But he rectifies this easily by playing Rb4+ and Rb1, covering everything. So it doesn't work. 

 
Kaspy writes: 

"a repetition? Rather than an offer? Or is there still fight in this dog?" 

OK help me out here guys. I want to answer him in such a way that he will play Rc5 again instead of Rc3. 

Something like "let's play this out for at least a few more moves"? 
I'm going to respond with this. 

 
Move of Bg5

chessboard

 
I think Bass has the right idea ultimately. I've been looking at this all wrong, and it's why I've been getting so frustrated. I keep looking for tactical ways to force the pawns home. If those present themselves, great. But the problem is that we're playing rook and bishop against rook, bishop and King. We're at a disadvantage. What we need to concentrate on is protecting our pawns and finding a way to get our King involved. We need to be more patient than I have been. 
You've been fine.  As the prime driver of this fantastic and exciting game, you probably find it hard to resist making a move without 43 nimrods (or 42 worthy citizens and one nimrod, initials me) weighing in.  I would want to move right away every time if I were in your position. 

You're right about the black king being too remote from the action and I wish we could address that, but it's hard to see Kasparov sitting back calmly and idly while we march our big guy down into a relevant position in what would take about four moves.  Not impossible to achieve, though. 

On the other hand, *his* king is hemmed in as Bass points out.   

Many, many pages ago SacBob and I discussed endgame scenarios and stalemate probabilities if in terms of pieces, we have R+B and he has R.  Bob pointed out, correctly, that this position is usually a draw, but my reply is and remains that it isn't always.  I like the idea of keeping his king cornered for many reasons, but one of them is that (who knows) it might force him to sacrifice his bishop and produce that scenario, which would be interesting.

 
Translation: "Sigh, must I play this out another 10 moves before a draw is offered?" Kaspy --->  :yawn:
Heh, not sure about that.  Any chess player of his obvious skill (but somewhere below, say, the real Garry Kasparov) would, IMHO, be thoroughly enjoying himself in his position. 

 
Offer a draw (like I suggested 25 moves ago :)  )

This game is going to look like computer vs computer when I load it into lichess. It was a draw from the start and will probably seem like the most boring game evaaaaa.

It was fun though. Let's make him play without a rook's pawn next game IMO - Kaspy is such an amazing player and we did a good job to hang with him to a draw.  Awesome job on both sides imo

 
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Offer a draw (like I suggested 25 moves ago :)  )

This game is going to look like computer vs computer when I load it into lichess. It was a draw from the start and will probably seem like the most boring game evaaaaa.

It was fun though. Let's make him play without a rook's pawn next game IMO
Love ya as always, JB, but respectfully disagree on offering the draw now.  The draw is available whenever we want it.  Considering the checks and balances of having at least four or five people commenting regularly here and offering suggestions, added to tim's obvious chess prowess on his own, and I think the chances of a blunder by black enabling a win by white are low.

I would therefore attempt further moves until a draw is an absolutely foregone conclusion.  Which I don't think it is at the moment.     

 
Love ya as always, JB, but respectfully disagree on offering the draw now.  The draw is available whenever we want it.  Considering the checks and balances of having at least four or five people commenting regularly here and offering suggestions, added to tim's obvious chess prowess on his own, and I think the chances of a blunder by black enabling a win by white are low.

I would therefore attempt further moves until a draw is an absolutely foregone conclusion.  Which I don't think it is at the moment.     
It was half tongue in cheek GB.

No reason not to play it out at this point.  I was more thinking Kaspy is probably really bored right now.  Could have worded that whole post better.  

 
BTW

Been trying to chime in but the first post has been coming up as an invalid PGN for the past 2 days.  I haven't gone through it to see what happened, it was somewhere between move 54 and now I believe.  Will try to figure it out later on today.  Cheers and GL mates.

 
Well, we'll play Re6 but it's probably hopeless. 

Re6 Kf3 Be6 Rc2 Re3+ Kf2

just no way to defend the f pawn. Oh well. 

Re6. 

 
It wouldn't matter. After white's King captures our pawn on e2, he moves back to f3 (or f1). And there he stays. He never moves again. His bishop dances up and down the board avoiding trades until we get bored. 

 
Of course he's not infallible. I'm sure he's made all sorts of little errors here and there that a senior master or higher could spot and take advantage of and force a win. Unfortunately we lack those skills. 

 
Kf3.

OK people; we're about one move away from a draw. I'm going to play Bd6, and if he responds with Rc2 I'm going to offer him a draw. 

 
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I have invited Kaspy in the thread. There's a lot want to ask him.

i'll have more to post later, but I'm very grateful to everyone who participated in this.

 
:shock:

HOLY CRAP! 58 pages! 2300 posts! What have I been up against?!
A whole bunch of people not as good as you. Well played, sir.

I have bunch of questions, but my first one is whether we blundered somewhere in the end game and missed an opportunity you were worried about?

 
Understood.  Fantastic job, tim.  Congratulations, and please, no need for modesty in response.  
Modesty on my part is deserved. I want to make this very clear: yes I ran the thing and ultimately decided which moves to make. But in achieving this draw, almost none of the ideas that led to it were mine. In fact, most of my own ideas turned out to be faulty. We really relied on the ideas of Sacramento Bob, Green and Gold, Wilk, and several others. That's how we got as far as we did. 

 
Serious tip of the hat Kasparov.  Drawing against a bunch of decent players who can talk things through using as much time as they want is really impressive.

 
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Modesty on my part is deserved. I want to make this very clear: yes I ran the thing and ultimately decided which moves to make. But in achieving this draw, almost none of the ideas that led to it were mine. In fact, most of my own ideas turned out to be faulty. We really relied on the ideas of Sacramento Bob, Green and Gold, Wilk, and several others. That's how we got as far as we did. 
:lol: What did I just say?  

As to the bolded -  ridiculous. 

CONGRATULATIONS, TIM.  

 
A whole bunch of people not as good as you. Well played, sir.

I have bunch of questions, but my first one is whether we blundered somewhere in the end game and missed an opportunity you were worried about?
There were a few moments I thought you guys kept me in it, I thought 52. ...Kd7 was odd (instead of f6) but you reloaded and played f6 two moves later. 58. Be7 made sense but you might want to look at Kc8 there, freeing up the c7 square for the Bishop (to defend f4 later) and there might be options around move 69 but I'd have to look at my notes. In the endgame I felt it was more ME not playing absolutely accurately (which the position required) allowing you to continue with some winning chances. I can post my full analysis later, I'm still a bit overwhelmed at this thread! It's going to take me a few hours just to read it all! Plus everything looks different in here, I'm getting hit with notifications, messages, etc. Was I in a time capsule??

 
There were a few moments I thought you guys kept me in it, I thought 52. ...Kd7 was odd (instead of f6) but you reloaded and played f6 two moves later. 58. Be7 made sense but you might want to look at Kc8 there, freeing up the c7 square for the Bishop (to defend f4 later) and there might be options around move 69 but I'd have to look at my notes. In the endgame I felt it was more ME not playing absolutely accurately (which the position required) allowing you to continue with some winning chances. I can post my full analysis later, I'm still a bit overwhelmed at this thread! It's going to take me a few hours just to read it all! Plus everything looks different in here, I'm getting hit with notifications, messages, etc. Was I in a time capsule??
When I get a chance later Kaspy I will tell you what our thinking was at the points in the game you listed. 

 
There are a lot of us who fit in the don't play chess or suck at it groups.  Actually those aren't independent groups now I think about it.

Anyway, interested to hear your views Kaspy, appreciate you doing this with everyone here.

 
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