Fear of K.Jones cutting into Forte's production vs. Det. Lions Sun (1 Viewer)

[TTCrusher]

Kevin Jones has an axe to grind with the Lions is a hot topic today on local 97.1 FM radio.

It's well documented in the Det. area that K. Jones was and still is very unhappy with the way he was let go. Knowing this and being a Forte owner I'm concerned that Lovie Smith will use K.Jones and his extra motivation more than the past 4 games. Do any of you have the same fear as I that Forte will not have as great a game as what is projected? Or do you think K. Jones has little left in the tank and is just a spot player. I also suspect that K.Jones still doesn't know the full play book. While watching the Eagles Bears game K.Jone looked as if he screwed up a play in a fake or none fake reverse resulting in a fumble.

What do you guys think?

 

[cha-ching]

Kevin Jones has an axe to grind with the Lions is a hot topic today on local 97.1 FM radio.It's well documented in the Det. area that K. Jones was and still is very unhappy with the way he was let go. Knowing this and being a Forte owner I'm concerned that Lovie Smith will use K.Jones and his extra motivation more than the past 4 games. Do any of you have the same fear as I that Forte will not have as great a game as what is projected? Or do you think K. Jones has little left in the tank and is just a spot player. I also suspect that K.Jones still doesn't know the full play book. While watching the Eagles Bears game K.Jone looked as if he screwed up a play in a fake or none fake reverse resulting in a fumble.What do you guys think?

My feeling is that KJ is lucky to have a job! Matt Forte even though he is a rookie shows everything a coach and a fan wants to see in an NFL RB. He hits the hole hard and can break through to get to the next level. I see KJ as a more situational scat back. Start Forte with confidence and don't over analyze the situation.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I don't think that coaches gameplan around this sort of issue.

I would be more concerned that Forte has been on a steady drop since week 1. He is already under 4 ypc average. He hasn't had a rushing TD since week 1, ect.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

START ALL YOUR BEARS!!!

 

[ProBowler88]

I hope KJ runs all over us on Sunday, I really do. He was one of my favorite players and still is, he runs tough. Remember when Artose Pinner was a Viking and came back to Ford Field when the Lions released him earlier in the year and rumbled for 3 TDs and over 100 yards?

I hope KJ shows how stupid the Lions Front office is, like other former Lions have done. (Joey Harrington beat us on thanksgiving as a Dolphin 2 years ago)

So to answer your question, yes I do think they will use him more this game, perhaps a 50/50 split, simply because KJ wants to stick it to us, and I hope he does.

 

[Power Monster]

Not going to happen. He will get some chances but Forte is starting to show glimpses that he is one of the best offensive play makers that the Bears have acquired in a very long time. The kid is a stud

 

[FavreCo]

START ALL YOUR BEARS!!!

There is that. Jones could get solid mop up duty starting around the midway point of the 3rd Q.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Not going to happen. He will get some chances but Forte is starting to show glimpses that he is one of the best offensive play makers that the Bears have acquired in a very long time. The kid is a stud

I agree, the kid looks great.....but honestly, that's not saying much. Who else would you consider from the Bears in the last 5 years? I can't think of one impact offensive playmaker.I think they could have another if they'd put Earl Bennett into the offense. Really, they've got very little to lose right now at WR and this kid was probably the most NFL ready WR coming out in the draft. He's got great hands, is a great route runner, and is good after the catch. Not lightening fast but neither are a lot of other very good/great WR's in the NFL.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

START ALL YOUR BEARS!!!

There is that. Jones could get solid mop up duty starting around the midway point of the 3rd 1stQ.

fixed.

 

[gotmooch]

Not gonna happen. Jones will get carries in garbage time, but that is all. Forte is the man in Chicago and will be huge in ppr leagues.

I don't know where anybody gets the idea that it will be anywhere near a 50/50 split. Do you have any evidence to support that claim or is this blind speculation?

 

[gregjcross]

Kevin Jones has an axe to grind with the Lions is a hot topic today on local 97.1 FM radio.It's well documented in the Det. area that K. Jones was and still is very unhappy with the way he was let go. Knowing this and being a Forte owner I'm concerned that Lovie Smith will use K.Jones and his extra motivation more than the past 4 games. Do any of you have the same fear as I that Forte will not have as great a game as what is projected? Or do you think K. Jones has little left in the tank and is just a spot player. I also suspect that K.Jones still doesn't know the full play book. While watching the Eagles Bears game K.Jone looked as if he screwed up a play in a fake or none fake reverse resulting in a fumble.What do you guys think?

My feeling is that KJ is lucky to have a job! Matt Forte even though he is a rookie shows everything a coach and a fan wants to see in an NFL RB. He hits the hole hard and can break through to get to the next level. I see KJ as a more situational scat back. Start Forte with confidence and don't over analyze the situation.

Not sure why KJones is "lucky to have a job" just because Forte is a bit better and more durable. I think KJ is a perfect #2, he is a quality back that cant handle a full load, so it makes him ideal --not lucky.

 

[cha-ching]

Kevin Jones has an axe to grind with the Lions is a hot topic today on local 97.1 FM radio.It's well documented in the Det. area that K. Jones was and still is very unhappy with the way he was let go. Knowing this and being a Forte owner I'm concerned that Lovie Smith will use K.Jones and his extra motivation more than the past 4 games. Do any of you have the same fear as I that Forte will not have as great a game as what is projected? Or do you think K. Jones has little left in the tank and is just a spot player. I also suspect that K.Jones still doesn't know the full play book. While watching the Eagles Bears game K.Jone looked as if he screwed up a play in a fake or none fake reverse resulting in a fumble.What do you guys think?

My feeling is that KJ is lucky to have a job! Matt Forte even though he is a rookie shows everything a coach and a fan wants to see in an NFL RB. He hits the hole hard and can break through to get to the next level. I see KJ as a more situational scat back. Start Forte with confidence and don't over analyze the situation.

Not sure why KJones is "lucky to have a job" just because Forte is a bit better and more durable. I think KJ is a perfect #2, he is a quality back that cant handle a full load, so it makes him ideal --not lucky.

Not sure we really disagree much here. You think KJ is a perfect #2 because he can't carry a full load which is pretty much what I said. He's a situational scat back that "with his injury history," is lucky to have an NFL RB position. I surely don't remember alot teams showing interest in him when DET cut him and if Benson weren't cut I don't know that KJ would still be in the NFL.

 

[thatguythere]

I hope KJ runs all over us on Sunday, I really do. He was one of my favorite players and still is, he runs tough. Remember when Artose Pinner was a Viking and came back to Ford Field when the Lions released him earlier in the year and rumbled for 3 TDs and over 100 yards?

I hope KJ shows how stupid the Lions Front office is, like other former Lions have done. (Joey Harrington beat us on thanksgiving as a Dolphin 2 years ago)

So to answer your question, yes I do think they will use him more this game, perhaps a 50/50 split, simply because KJ wants to stick it to us, and I hope he does.

Nice. Real big Lions fan hey? KJ doesn't need to show anyone how stupid the Lions front office is....so what does KJ running all over us accomplish? I don't get it.

 

[machogrande]

They're going to have to start splitting the carries with someone. Forte is already at 90+ 4 games in. I don't think he'll make it all season at that pace.

 

[cha-ching]

They're going to have to start splitting the carries with someone. Forte is already at 90+ 4 games in. I don't think he'll make it all season at that pace.

90x4=360 carries. I don't think Forte will have any trouble handling that type of workload.

 

[RBM]

They're going to have to start splitting the carries with someone. Forte is already at 90+ 4 games in. I don't think he'll make it all season at that pace.

Agree. They are going down a dangerous road with this kid. I know he has carried the offense at times, but he is still just a rookie and will probably hit some kind of wall real hard in a few weeks.Hope not as a Bear fan.

 

[Power Monster]

I agree, the kid looks great.....but honestly, that's not saying much. Who else would you consider from the Bears in the last 5 years? I can't think of one impact offensive playmaker.

5 years? Man you have to go WAY back to Neil Anderson. Frankly- it is saying a lot in terms of how the Bears have failed to draft some significant play makers on offense. In other words- it is great to see the Bears have a RB that can now move the chains on th ground and to be a threat in the air. This is why Jones will not be seeing that much action.

 

[meeka]

I hope KJ runs all over us on Sunday, I really do. He was one of my favorite players and still is, he runs tough. Remember when Artose Pinner was a Viking and came back to Ford Field when the Lions released him earlier in the year and rumbled for 3 TDs and over 100 yards?

I hope KJ shows how stupid the Lions Front office is, like other former Lions have done. (Joey Harrington beat us on thanksgiving as a Dolphin 2 years ago)

So to answer your question, yes I do think they will use him more this game, perhaps a 50/50 split, simply because KJ wants to stick it to us, and I hope he does.

Nice. Real big Lions fan hey? KJ doesn't need to show anyone how stupid the Lions front office is....so what does KJ running all over us accomplish? I don't get it.

That would be as bad as last years backup QB giving us a beat down.I see Jones stealing from Forte's production much like Norwood stole from Micheal Turner's production in week 1. He might get 70 yards or so, but Forte will get his in a big way.

 

[gman8343]

They're going to have to start splitting the carries with someone. Forte is already at 90+ 4 games in. I don't think he'll make it all season at that pace.

90x4=360 carries. I don't think Forte will have any trouble handling that type of workload.

Rookie RBs can wear out later in the season with too many carries. I don't know that it will ever be a full blown RBBC but I do think KJ will get a few more carries as the season progresses to try and keep Forte fresh.

 

[machogrande]

They're going to have to start splitting the carries with someone. Forte is already at 90+ 4 games in. I don't think he'll make it all season at that pace.

90x4=360 carries. I don't think Forte will have any trouble handling that type of workload.

I think it would be foolish of CHI to overwork him. 360 carries for a rookie is a very high number. Asking a rookie to handle that type of workload is asking for him to get injured.

 

[JamesTheScot]

KJ might get nice yards out of his limited touches this week because of his own internal motivation but I have no fear of Lovie buying into that sort of thinking and putting Forte on the bench so Jones can settle a grudge. If Lovie thinks it might mean something to KJ, he might give him a couple more carries but I don't think it'll be a significant decrease in Forte's carries. It's not like KJ has a long term contract and the Bears want to keep him happy for future dealings.

I think KJ is RB1 material but Forte is doing everything right to keep him on the bench. KJ may say he's healthy but I suspect the coaching staff is still playing it conservatively. If Forte does hit a rookie wall later in the season, a healthy and fresh KJ will actually be critical then. His limited use early in the season is hopefully giving him more time for more healing but just enough work to keep the rust off, learn the offense and keep him in playing shape. I think the coaching staff has been pretty smart about this, actually.

 

[BoulderBob]

They're going to have to start splitting the carries with someone. Forte is already at 90+ 4 games in. I don't think he'll make it all season at that pace.

90x4=360 carries. I don't think Forte will have any trouble handling that type of workload.

I think it would be foolish of CHI to overwork him. 360 carries for a rookie is a very high number. Asking a rookie to handle that type of workload is asking for him to get injured.

Agreed...I expect to see Jones get a few extra shots against his former team, and I do think it is in the Bears' best interests to see if Jones is able to take out his frustrations against his former team. A 60/40 split this weekend wouldn't shock me. On the other hand, Forte doesn't appear to be the type that will slow down as the season progresses, but I could be wrong.

 

[Chickenwang]

My sleeper of the draft this year was Kevin Jones. I'm just waiting for it to happen. Forte wont last all season

 

[TTCrusher]

Great Posts as usual from the Sharkpool!

 

[BeaverBoy]

I'm not too worried about this considering some comments from their OC.

"Turner said the Bears would like to get Forte 23 to 25 carries a game, with 27 carries in the maximum average range, although if the situation arose and he needed to carry the ball 40 times, the Bears would do what they have to do to win"

Out of the Chicago-Sun Times link to full story

Hopefully he's able to handle that type of load all year.

 

[two_dollars]

I'm not too worried about this considering some comments from their OC.

"Turner said the Bears would like to get Forte 23 to 25 carries a game, with 27 carries in the maximum average range, although if the situation arose and he needed to carry the ball 40 times, the Bears would do what they have to do to win"

Out of the Chicago-Sun Times link to full story

Hopefully he's able to handle that type of load all year.

what's he on pace for right now, about 430 carries? He carried 361 times for 2,127 yds and 23 td's in his last year of college, that's a hefty load in itself there in several fewer games!

 

[-X-]

I'd like to see KJ get in a bit more, myself. He has shown a surprising burst given his fresh rehab status and has had some nice gains in few opportunities. Forte looks great catching the ball out of the backfield, so it'd be interesting to see both of them playing simultaneously.

 

[two_dollars]

I'd like to see KJ get in a bit more, myself. He has shown a surprising burst given his fresh rehab status and has had some nice gains in few opportunities.

I agree, Forte needs to be spelled at times. I never draft players from my home team for FF so I can still be a team fan and not a stat fan, but being a Bears fan, they've made it easy on me! I do not want to see Forte break 400 carries, for the team's sake.

 

[Bri]

Millen just got fired, where's the motivation?

 

[ProBowler88]

I hope KJ runs all over us on Sunday, I really do. He was one of my favorite players and still is, he runs tough. Remember when Artose Pinner was a Viking and came back to Ford Field when the Lions released him earlier in the year and rumbled for 3 TDs and over 100 yards?

I hope KJ shows how stupid the Lions Front office is, like other former Lions have done. (Joey Harrington beat us on thanksgiving as a Dolphin 2 years ago)

So to answer your question, yes I do think they will use him more this game, perhaps a 50/50 split, simply because KJ wants to stick it to us, and I hope he does.

Nice. Real big Lions fan hey? KJ doesn't need to show anyone how stupid the Lions front office is....so what does KJ running all over us accomplish? I don't get it.

Because the Lions got scared of his injury and cut him when he was the best RB they had at the time. The Bears obviously saw something they liked from him and got him a deal. I want KJ to stick it up WC Ford's ### on Sunday, for letting talented players go only to sign washed up Rudi Johnson who shouldn't even be starting over Kevin Smith, once again a ######ed move by the coaches.....God we suckBTW this "letting talent go" thing started way back when Millen took over when he got rid of Johnnie Morton and all them to sign Bill ####### Schroeder and Az Hakim...... 2 receivers with no hands and scared to go over the middle.

 

[Big Score]

If KJ's got the trust of the Coaches back, he'll get his normal % of carries, but nothing more.

Now if the Coaches are still holding that fumble against him, his normal split in carries will go to someone else.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Not gonna happen. Jones will get carries in garbage time, but that is all. Forte is the man in Chicago and will be huge in ppr leagues. I don't know where anybody gets the idea that it will be anywhere near a 50/50 split. Do you have any evidence to support that claim or is this blind speculation?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

GAME PLAN: The Bears get off the bus running the football and the Lions are dead last in the NFL in rushing yards and average gain per rush allowed, so there should be plenty of carries left over for ex-Lion and current Bears backup RB Kevin Jones, even after rookie Matt Forte gets his usual 23 or so carries per game.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We want to continue to get the ball to Matt. He's carried it 23, 23, 27 and 19 times and caught seven balls (in Week 3) and five the last game. We're getting him in the high 20s in touches each week and to me that's approximately what we want. We don't want that to change." — Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner on rookie RB Matt Forte, who leads the NFL with 92 carries.

usatoday

 

[scrumptrulescent]

GAME PLAN: The Bears get off the bus running the football and the Lions are dead last in the NFL in rushing yards and average gain per rush allowed, so there should be plenty of carries left over for ex-Lion and current Bears backup RB Kevin Jones, even after rookie Matt Forte gets his usual 23 or so carries per game. QUOTE TO NOTE: "We want to continue to get the ball to Matt. He's carried it 23, 23, 27 and 19 times and caught seven balls (in Week 3) and five the last game. We're getting him in the high 20s in touches each week and to me that's approximately what we want. We don't want that to change." — Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner on rookie RB Matt Forte, who leads the NFL with 92 carries.usatoday

They're going to bust their new toy.

 

[gman8343]

GAME PLAN: The Bears get off the bus running the football and the Lions are dead last in the NFL in rushing yards and average gain per rush allowed, so there should be plenty of carries left over for ex-Lion and current Bears backup RB Kevin Jones, even after rookie Matt Forte gets his usual 23 or so carries per game. QUOTE TO NOTE: "We want to continue to get the ball to Matt. He's carried it 23, 23, 27 and 19 times and caught seven balls (in Week 3) and five the last game. We're getting him in the high 20s in touches each week and to me that's approximately what we want. We don't want that to change." — Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner on rookie RB Matt Forte, who leads the NFL with 92 carries.usatoday

They're going to bust their new toy.

Agreed, those numbers look like they may be hard to sustain come November/Dec.

 

[MCguidance]

GAME PLAN: The Bears get off the bus running the football and the Lions are dead last in the NFL in rushing yards and average gain per rush allowed, so there should be plenty of carries left over for ex-Lion and current Bears backup RB Kevin Jones, even after rookie Matt Forte gets his usual 23 or so carries per game. QUOTE TO NOTE: "We want to continue to get the ball to Matt. He's carried it 23, 23, 27 and 19 times and caught seven balls (in Week 3) and five the last game. We're getting him in the high 20s in touches each week and to me that's approximately what we want. We don't want that to change." — Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner on rookie RB Matt Forte, who leads the NFL with 92 carries.usatoday

They're going to bust their new toy.

Agreed, those numbers look like they may be hard to sustain come November/Dec.

It think he is on pace for something like 450 touches (split 368/72). I would be hard pressed to find any rookie that has had that kind of use. Am I wrong? I am not an owner, but noticed that he is really being used heavily.