Federal Agents Converge On Vick Property (1 Viewer)

[Pickle Rody]

Vick's In Trouble....?

 

[3C's]

Other thread deleted already?

 

[2stix]

I was just about to say how Harringtons stock is going up.

 

[BassNBrew]

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"Poindexter said he was "absolutely floored" that federal officials got involved, and that he believes he and Sheriff Harold D. Brown handled the investigation properly."Apparently these people want it," Poindexter said. "They want it, and I don't believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. ... They want it because Michael Vick may be involved."Poindexter said he found out about a sealed search warrant filed in the U.S. Attorney's office about the time federal investigators executed it Thursday."If they've made a judgment that we're not acting prudently and with dispatch based on what we have, they've not acting very wisely," Poindexter said.He said Surry County officials were preparing another search warrant for the property and that the investigative team planned to meet to make sure they had all the experts needed to make the search most effective."There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Wow Poindexter is an idiot. Wonder if Vick bought him off? LOL at him calling Vick a "boy" and then playing the race card.Yo Poindexter...what's going on here is an investigation...something you should have been conducting.

 

[Lash]

if dogs were shipped across state lines, the crime becomes a federal offense

will someone please tell that to the locals (i.e. Poindexter) so they quit making fools of themselves by opening their mouths and speaking

 

[Slider]

More will come of this. How can a house be sold and burglarized while under a huge investigation by local police? Wouldn't surprise me if we find out Poindexter let them remove stuff and the feds know it.

 

[radballs]

Poindexter = Hayseed

I'm sure he's got every season of the Dukes of Hazard on Betamax.

 

[mad sweeney]

Should add this discussion to the very large Vick thread that has more story links and quotes in it, I'm sure the mods will do that as soon as they see it. But there's more good stuff there than here.

Or maybe not.... other one seems to be gone now. There were 3 links in that thread to stories about today's warrant, wonder if they can be re-posted here.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"Poindexter said he was "absolutely floored" that federal officials got involved, and that he believes he and Sheriff Harold D. Brown handled the investigation properly."Apparently these people want it," Poindexter said. "They want it, and I don't believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. ... They want it because Michael Vick may be involved."Poindexter said he found out about a sealed search warrant filed in the U.S. Attorney's office about the time federal investigators executed it Thursday."If they've made a judgment that we're not acting prudently and with dispatch based on what we have, they've not acting very wisely," Poindexter said.He said Surry County officials were preparing another search warrant for the property and that the investigative team planned to meet to make sure they had all the experts needed to make the search most effective."There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Wow Poindexter is an idiot. Wonder if Vick bought him off? LOL at him calling Vick a "boy" and then playing the race card.Yo Poindexter...what's going on here is an investigation...something you should have been conducting.

Poindexter is black.

 

[mad sweeney]

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"Poindexter said he was "absolutely floored" that federal officials got involved, and that he believes he and Sheriff Harold D. Brown handled the investigation properly."Apparently these people want it," Poindexter said. "They want it, and I don't believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. ... They want it because Michael Vick may be involved."Poindexter said he found out about a sealed search warrant filed in the U.S. Attorney's office about the time federal investigators executed it Thursday."If they've made a judgment that we're not acting prudently and with dispatch based on what we have, they've not acting very wisely," Poindexter said.He said Surry County officials were preparing another search warrant for the property and that the investigative team planned to meet to make sure they had all the experts needed to make the search most effective."There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Wow Poindexter is an idiot. Wonder if Vick bought him off? LOL at him calling Vick a "boy" and then playing the race card.Yo Poindexter...what's going on here is an investigation...something you should have been conducting.

Poindexter is black.

So is the racial motivation because Vick is black or Poindexter?

 

[Angus82]

I'm sure he's got every season of the Dukes of Hazard on Betamax.

lmfao!!!

 

[ELI2TYREE]

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"Poindexter said he was "absolutely floored" that federal officials got involved, and that he believes he and Sheriff Harold D. Brown handled the investigation properly."Apparently these people want it," Poindexter said. "They want it, and I don't believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. ... They want it because Michael Vick may be involved."Poindexter said he found out about a sealed search warrant filed in the U.S. Attorney's office about the time federal investigators executed it Thursday."If they've made a judgment that we're not acting prudently and with dispatch based on what we have, they've not acting very wisely," Poindexter said.He said Surry County officials were preparing another search warrant for the property and that the investigative team planned to meet to make sure they had all the experts needed to make the search most effective."There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Wow Poindexter is an idiot. Wonder if Vick bought him off? LOL at him calling Vick a "boy" and then playing the race card.Yo Poindexter...what's going on here is an investigation...something you should have been conducting.

Poindexter is black.

So is the racial motivation because Vick is black or Poindexter?

who cares.

 

[ramsfan]

More will come of this. How can a house be sold and burglarized while under a huge investigation by local police? Wouldn't surprise me if we find out Poindexter let them remove stuff and the feds know it.

BINGO!

 

[2stix]

Here are the links I posted from yesterday before the delete.

Watch this video, you see the investigators uneart something and it rolls( skull?) then they prod at something and somebody brings them respirators, something smelled bad in that hole.

http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/storie...k.252bf371.html

Here is the tool pullling out the race card.

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports...=7&cxcat=21

and SI had this jewel showing pointdexter is upset they took the case from him.

Maybe if he was doing his job the feds wouldn't have got involved.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/foot...tml?eref=si_nfl

easy on the comments so we don't lose this thread.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

The local news here shows interviews with Poindexter often and every time I see him, I am embarrassed for him - it just appears that he is in way over his head. He does not come across as competent, nor as all that bright, though admittedly this is just my personal impression from seeing him on television.

This morning WAVY 10 interviewed Vick's cousin (Donovan something?) and he said that heck no there weren't a few lbs. of marijuana, there was no gun and all of this is a grand conspiracy because it is Vick

Ni

 

[bcr8f]

if dogs were shipped across state lines, the crime becomes a federal offensewill someone please tell that to the locals (i.e. Poindexter) so they quit making fools of themselves by opening their mouths and speaking

A search warrant, which was secured in late May by Surry County (VA) officials and would have expired by Thursday, allowed the search.The feds did it because the time on the warrant was running out. Poindexter refused to act so they helped him out.

 

[fatness]

The feds did it because the time on the warrant was running out. Poindexter refused to act so they helped him out.

Associated Press

Poindexter said he found out about a sealed search warrant filed in the U.S. Attorney's office about the time federal investigators executed it Thursday.

"If they've made a judgment that we're not acting prudently and with dispatch based on what we have, they've not acting very wisely," Poindexter said.

He said Surry County officials were preparing another search warrant for the property and that the investigative team planned to meet to make sure they had all the experts needed to make the search most effective.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I have rarely seen a prosecutor so deliberately try to torpedo the case of another investigative agency.

 

[FavreCo]

Arthur Blank: 'May I have Matt Schaub back?'

 

[Bob Magaw]

NEWSFLASH - federal authorities, in a breaking development in the ongoing search of his property to uncover evidence linking him to dog fighting operations, uncovered something else that appears to have been buried for many years...

his passing accuracy...

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Maybe Poindexter studied with Michael Nifong.

 

[RD1967]

if dogs were shipped across state lines, the crime becomes a federal offensewill someone please tell that to the locals (i.e. Poindexter) so they quit making fools of themselves by opening their mouths and speaking

You are absolutly correct. It also comes under Federal if in the course of a potential felony, funds are transfed across State Lines and that would include wire transfers.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.

It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.

These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

 

[2stix]

http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/storie...p.29807ab6.html

Vick cancels football camp.

 

[JimboJim]

I would be surprised if the feds were interested in the actual dogfighting itself and the illegal transportation of animals across state lines.

I've had this opinion from day one and still do that the real interest in this case is related to the gambling that goes along with these illegal dogfights, and not so much the cruelty to animals ascpet.

There is probably a significant amount of money being passed back and forth that isn't getting taxed. I'm sure it's a much more widspread problem that just the circle that Vick runs in, but if the feds could nail someone high profile, not only would it give them some skins on the wall, but it would bring the overall issue to the public light.

 

[JimboJim]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Okay, we get your point; you'll never believe Vick has anything to do with this issue until you see a lab verified photgraph or video of him in a ring actually fighting dogs.Please, however, allow us rationale folks to continue our discussion on the subject without your unnecessary and pointless conjecture.I'm not going to argue with you on the merits of if, and to what degree Vick is involved, but if you are willing to ignore all of the relationships he has to different aspects of the investigation, you are being naive.You ever heard the saying "if it looks like #### and smells like ####, it probably is ####."

 

[Phurfur]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[BassNBrew]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Hey Poindexter, you really shouldn't be posting on the taxpayers dime.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Okay, we get your point; you'll never believe Vick has anything to do with this issue until you see a lab verified photgraph or video of him in a ring actually fighting dogs.Please, however, allow us rationale folks to continue our discussion on the subject without your unnecessary and pointless conjecture.I'm not going to argue with you on the merits of if, and to what degree Vick is involved, but if you are willing to ignore all of the relationships he has to different aspects of the investigation, you are being naive.You ever heard the saying "if it looks like #### and smells like ####, it probably is ####."

I think your reaction to ILUVBEER is more damaging to an ongoing discussion than his opinion. He thinks it's a witch hunt. It may be. It seems like one in the media. He makes the very valid point that Vick did not live there and someone else may end up being charged. This is what I expect to happen in the end. Certainly someone else had far more control of the operation than Vick. I doubt Vick knew nothing of the goings on, as he claims. I suspect he may have knowingly financed the operation. Just because ILB is a little caustic and condescending in his opinions is no reason to go lower than he does. It kills these threads, which should be open to discussion. If you don't like his opinion give some facts to counter his, calmly and rationally, and maybe we can keep a civilized thread alive.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.

This is exactly right. Chances are things will tie to someone else much easier than Vick.

It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.

This is wrong. It seems very likely that they will be able to indict on dogfighting charges. Kathy Strouse has said as much and pointed out she has been involved in cases with convictions that had less evidence.

She claims to have found an obvious dogfighting ring on the property. That put the evidence over the top in her mind. Poindexter seemed to ignore this and the whole case got murky after the initial discovery, but if Strouse found a ring, she found a ring, and she says she found a ring, and she seems much more knowledgeable than Poindexter.

These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Comments like this start these threads circling the drain. Thanks.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Okay, we get your point; you'll never believe Vick has anything to do with this issue until you see a lab verified photgraph or video of him in a ring actually fighting dogs.Please, however, allow us rationale folks to continue our discussion on the subject without your unnecessary and pointless conjecture.I'm not going to argue with you on the merits of if, and to what degree Vick is involved, but if you are willing to ignore all of the relationships he has to different aspects of the investigation, you are being naive.You ever heard the saying "if it looks like #### and smells like ####, it probably is ####."

?So far the one guy who has looked into the case more than anyone, Poindexter, said they don't have any evidence. Once he made that statement people started calling him a hick and a pawn of Vick's.I'll start to believe he's involved once i see one legitimate shred of evidence that shows he is, so far we have NOTHING, but the media jumping all over this case reporting "unnamed" sources claims and guys who are in prison.If it's unrational to not convict someone before we see any concrete evidence then so be it.Basically anyone who doesn't rip on Vick is wrong and all the people who get sucked into the media circus are rational great people.Once i see any good evidence i'll be on the Vick is scum side, but until then i'm not going to judge a man based on the pathetic media.

 

[burd]

it sounds like Poindexter is working for Vick rather than the public that elected him when he makes statements questioning other agencies trying to help him do his job ... i think it's a good thing the Feds got involved because it looks like Poindexter is trying to botch the case on purpose.... maybe he's on Vick's payroll.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.

This is exactly right. Chances are things will tie to someone else much easier than Vick.

It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.

This is wrong. It seems very likely that they will be able to indict on dogfighting charges. Kathy Strouse has said as much and pointed out she has been involved in cases with convictions that had less evidence.

She claims to have found an obvious dogfighting ring on the property. That put the evidence over the top in her mind. Poindexter seemed to ignore this and the whole case got murky after the initial discovery, but if Strouse found a ring, she found a ring, and she says she found a ring, and she seems much more knowledgeable than Poindexter.

These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Comments like this start these threads circling the drain. Thanks.

The last comment I made was wrong.As far as Kathy Strouse, she doesn't seem all that credible with how she has waffled about everything. Going back in other threads she contradicts a lot of what she says. One day she says they have all this evidence, the next day she retracts those statements. She talked about having informants with video at one point and then said she meant if Vick was at dogfights they will likely find video.

All i'm saying is that anyone who comes out 100% on either side regarding Mike Vick at this point is making no sense. As you agreed with before, even in the case they find evidence of dogfighting, that doesn't automatically make Vick guilty. He never lived there.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

it sounds like Poindexter is working for Vick rather than the public that elected him when he makes statements questioning other agencies trying to help him do his job ... i think it's a good thing the Feds got involved because it looks like Poindexter is trying to botch the case on purpose.... maybe he's on Vick's payroll.

Maybe Poindexter is an educated prosecuter and doesn't believe in trying to convict people without evidence.I'd say that is far more likely then him taking bribes and risking his career and reputation forever.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.

This is exactly right. Chances are things will tie to someone else much easier than Vick.

It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.

This is wrong. It seems very likely that they will be able to indict on dogfighting charges. Kathy Strouse has said as much and pointed out she has been involved in cases with convictions that had less evidence.

She claims to have found an obvious dogfighting ring on the property. That put the evidence over the top in her mind. Poindexter seemed to ignore this and the whole case got murky after the initial discovery, but if Strouse found a ring, she found a ring, and she says she found a ring, and she seems much more knowledgeable than Poindexter.

These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

Comments like this start these threads circling the drain. Thanks.

The last comment I made was wrong.As far as Kathy Strouse, she doesn't seem all that credible with how she has waffled about everything. Going back in other threads she contradicts a lot of what she says. One day she says they have all this evidence, the next day she retracts those statements. She talked about having informants with video at one point and then said she meant if Vick was at dogfights they will likely find video.

All i'm saying is that anyone who comes out 100% on either side regarding Mike Vick at this point is making no sense. As you agreed with before, even in the case they find evidence of dogfighting, that doesn't automatically make Vick guilty. He never lived there.

I agree with most of this, but Strouse has been misquoted and misunderstood in the witch hunt more than she has been wishy washy.

"Let's be very accurate here, because some of the reports out there are not accurate," Strouse told the Journal-Constitution on Tuesday. "We have information from informants that a tape exists of a dogfight and that Michael Vick is present. Whether that tape exists, we do not know that it exists."

She was trying to settle down the witch hunters.

 

[FavreCo]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.

It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.

These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

We are. We are gonna get him too.

 

[Tirnan]

I'm not on the fence on this one.

I think ILUVBEER99 makes some valid points. I think as time passes that the likelihood of Vick being tried AND convicted is going to diminish. It is a public arena media trial at the moment.

However, I do think enough has come to light to believe he is involved in dogfighting as a bloodsport AND the gambling that goes with it.

The real issue is how does this affect Vick as a player? Will he come out with a chip on his shoulder and produce a career season or be distracted by the ongoing fight and fail to produce decent numbers this year? I haven't decided which side of that fence I'm on yet.

Synopsis: Vick guilty of involvement (in my opinion), 50/50 chance he is charged, and I'm still 50/50 on which direction his play on the field goes because of all of this. The only thing really proved to date is that Vick is still living the thug life or is close enough to it to remain guilty by association.

When can we just label the rest of the media as paparazzi (sp?) and realize that sensationalism is not substance?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Anyone, not just ILB, is naive in my opinion, if they are not at least willing to be open to the possibility that Michael Vick is involved, in one way or antoher, in this possible dog-fighting ring that is under investigation.

I've stated in almost all my posts that it is possible he is involved, but at this time there is nothing out there that makes it likely.I really don't think your looking at it with an open mind. I'm the only one who has questioned people for coming out and basically having him already convicted in their mind, that is why my posts stand out.Just look at all the threads where people make baseless accusations about Poindexter being on Vick's payroll, saying things like "We Got em", etc. NO ONE has a problem with those posts because they are anti-Vick.for the most part your problem isn't with my posts, it's with my stance that Vick shouldn't be considered guilty at this time.Look at it with an open mind.

 

[Traders2001]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

They might find all kind of #### in the back yards but if they cant tie him directly to this he wont be charged.What happened to the witnesses that were ready to testify they saw him there , anyone still believing he will be charged are just FK racist Vick haters.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Here are some anti-vick posts in this thread that not one person commented on saying were wrong. Please tell me how these are more informative then what i've posted on the topic so far.

Wow Poindexter is an idiot. Wonder if Vick bought him off? LOL at him calling Vick a "boy" and then playing the race card.Yo Poindexter...what's going on here is an investigation...something you should have been conducting.

Wouldn't surprise me if we find out Poindexter let them remove stuff and the feds know it.

Poindexter = HayseedI'm sure he's got every season of the Dukes of Hazard on Betamax.

The local news here shows interviews with Poindexter often and every time I see him, I am embarrassed for him - it just appears that he is in way over his head. He does not come across as competent, nor as all that bright, though admittedly this is just my personal impression from seeing him on television.

Hey Poindexter, you really shouldn't be posting on the taxpayers dime.

it sounds like Poindexter is working for Vick rather than the public that elected him when he makes statements questioning other agencies trying to help him do his job ... i think it's a good thing the Feds got involved because it looks like Poindexter is trying to botch the case on purpose.... maybe he's on Vick's payroll.

 

[mad sweeney]

Here are some anti-vick posts in this thread that not one person commented on saying were wrong. Please tell me how these are more informative then what i've posted on the topic so far.

Wow Poindexter is an idiot. Wonder if Vick bought him off? LOL at him calling Vick a "boy" and then playing the race card.Yo Poindexter...what's going on here is an investigation...something you should have been conducting.

Wouldn't surprise me if we find out Poindexter let them remove stuff and the feds know it.

Poindexter = HayseedI'm sure he's got every season of the Dukes of Hazard on Betamax.

The local news here shows interviews with Poindexter often and every time I see him, I am embarrassed for him - it just appears that he is in way over his head. He does not come across as competent, nor as all that bright, though admittedly this is just my personal impression from seeing him on television.

Hey Poindexter, you really shouldn't be posting on the taxpayers dime.

it sounds like Poindexter is working for Vick rather than the public that elected him when he makes statements questioning other agencies trying to help him do his job ... i think it's a good thing the Feds got involved because it looks like Poindexter is trying to botch the case on purpose.... maybe he's on Vick's payroll.

Not too much anti-Vick here so much as anti-Poindexter. And Ihave to admit that Poindexter is seemingly deserving of it since he came unglued when the Feds took the case away from him. There are some questionable moves, like delaying the warrant which allowed possible evidence to be stolen (who steals a shop vac?!).It seems very unlikely that someone will not be charged in this. And IF it ends up being Vick I think he will be sunk. With all the attention of it and all the recent high profile cases(Duke, Hilton), they are not going to charge a celbrity unless they have him nailed. And quite frankly with Poindexter's actions, an obstruction charge against him isn't totally out of the question, especially if some of theconspiracy theorists are correct about his motives.The last thread was locked down a bit to exclude excessive opinion and flame wars and it would be very cool to have this one designated the same so that it doesn't spiral into accusations and defenses of accusations and name calling of Vick and other posters. A sure way for yet anbother Vick thread to be deleted. So I beg the mods to regulate this and help keep it on a straight path of news and ff related flack from this story.

 

[Devilsden2001]

Anyone, not just ILB, is naive in my opinion, if they are not at least willing to be open to the possibility that Michael Vick is involved, in one way or antoher, in this possible dog-fighting ring that is under investigation.

I've stated in almost all my posts that it is possible he is involved, but at this time there is nothing out there that makes it likely.I really don't think your looking at it with an open mind. I'm the only one who has questioned people for coming out and basically having him already convicted in their mind, that is why my posts stand out.Just look at all the threads where people make baseless accusations about Poindexter being on Vick's payroll, saying things like "We Got em", etc. NO ONE has a problem with those posts because they are anti-Vick.for the most part your problem isn't with my posts, it's with my stance that Vick shouldn't be considered guilty at this time.Look at it with an open mind.

I am all for innocent until proven guilty, but lets see the circumstances behind why you are the ONLY person that thinks he is not involved.1) You can only cry ingnorance so many times before people stop giving you the benifit of the doubt.2) He wants to claim that he owns a piece of property that he had NO idea that there were 30+ dogs there.3) He had no idea that there were dog fighting material also on the property.4) The DA on the case has stalled this investigation from the get go.5) Once he knows that he can not delay it anymore, instead of assisting the federal investigators decides he is going to play the race and status cart for Michael Vick. Now if he was planning on prosecuting this case I would think that either he is a lousy DA or is on Vick's payroll or just plain stupid.See you do not need a masters degree to figure out that there is more to this than "I had no idea what was happening on the property, I have not been there in a long time"

 

[mad sweeney]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.

It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.

These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

They might find all kind of #### in the back yards but if they cant tie him directly to this he wont be charged.

What happened to the witnesses that were ready to testify they saw him there , anyone still believing he will be charged are just FK racist Vick haters.

Completely untrue. Poindexter himself said earlier on (the quote was in the first deleted Vick thread) that he couldn't see how Vick was not involved. Until charges are levelled, not one of us knows whether Vick will be charged or not. Name calling is completely unecessary and damaging to the thread.The witnesses are still around and there. When Poindexter said he had no evidence to press charges, he is talking about tangible evidence like carcasses, video, pictures etc.. Witness statements, especially from they type of "lowlifes" that are present at dog fights is easily deposed by the type of lawyers that Vick will have. So the witness statements are still there, but they are not enough to press forward with as their only evidence. But that doesn't mean one way or another that the witnesses are lying or not. Again, until the charges and/or trial play out, no one but Vick knows about his involvement.

You don't have to be a racist to hate Vick. He's done plenty to deserve it on his own merit (ahem herpes), just because someone doesn't believe as you do doesn't make them racist.

 

[Devilsden2001]

Why do people assume that if they find something that Vick is guilty? He didn't live there and if they can't tie him directly to it he likely won't be charged.It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway, but even if they do don't assume Mike Vick will be the one charged with it.These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys.

FK racist Vick haters.

 

[JimboJim]

Anyone, not just ILB, is naive in my opinion, if they are not at least willing to be open to the possibility that Michael Vick is involved, in one way or antoher, in this possible dog-fighting ring that is under investigation.

I've stated in almost all my posts that it is possible he is involved, but at this time there is nothing out there that makes it likely.I really don't think your looking at it with an open mind. I'm the only one who has questioned people for coming out and basically having him already convicted in their mind, that is why my posts stand out.Just look at all the threads where people make baseless accusations about Poindexter being on Vick's payroll, saying things like "We Got em", etc. NO ONE has a problem with those posts because they are anti-Vick.for the most part your problem isn't with my posts, it's with my stance that Vick shouldn't be considered guilty at this time.Look at it with an open mind.

I have absolutely no problem with your stance and agree that he shouldn't be considered guilty at this time.Personally, I think he is involved fairly significantly, but I will refrain from judgement until the whole issue plays out.I've also stated numerous times, even if he is guilty as sin, I still think there is a good chance that noting legal comes out of it for him.It's your posts (arguments and tones) which I object to.You state "It doesn't look like they will find anything at all conclusive about dog fighting anyway"; please tell me how you know this? That is as much conjecture, if not more, than anything else posted in this thread.Additionally, if you are looking for calm, fact-based debates, then I recomend that you don't end your initial post in the thread "These Vick threads just get more pathetic every day. Enjoy the witch hunt boys."If you want to quote some other remarks or media clips and debate them, please do. But don't come in here and call the rest of us a bunch of idiots for our opinions/theories, when you have ones that can be considered questionable yourself.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

I'm not on the fence on this one.I think ILUVBEER99 makes some valid points. I think as time passes that the likelihood of Vick being tried AND convicted is going to diminish. It is a public arena media trial at the moment. However, I do think enough has come to light to believe he is involved in dogfighting as a bloodsport AND the gambling that goes with it.The real issue is how does this affect Vick as a player? Will he come out with a chip on his shoulder and produce a career season or be distracted by the ongoing fight and fail to produce decent numbers this year? I haven't decided which side of that fence I'm on yet.Synopsis: Vick guilty of involvement (in my opinion), 50/50 chance he is charged, and I'm still 50/50 on which direction his play on the field goes because of all of this. The only thing really proved to date is that Vick is still living the thug life or is close enough to it to remain guilty by association.When can we just label the rest of the media as paparazzi (sp?) and realize that sensationalism is not substance?

you freaks really think someone is gonna go to jail for 5, 10, 20 years on charges of animal cruelty, illegal gambling, racketeering, tax evasion and a whole bunch of others that I can't think of right now, just to protect Mike Vick? Face it - his property, his knowledge, his money backing the operation. People will speak when its their ### on the line. Vick will be in jail soon enough. Get over it.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

you freaks really think someone is gonna go to jail for 5, 10, 20 years on charges of animal cruelty, illegal gambling, racketeering, tax evasion and a whole bunch of others that I can't think of right now, just to protect Mike Vick? Face it - his property, his knowledge, his money backing the operation. People will speak when its their ### on the line. Vick will be in jail soon enough. Get over it.

How is this thread supposed to stay on track with this kind of nonsense.1)His property - Yes, one that he didn't live at and visited 1-2 times a year2)His Knowledge - There is absolutely no evidence of that at this time3)His money backing - again, 0 evidence of that.I've seen some wild speculation at this point, but this one might take the cake.

 

[mad sweeney]

you freaks really think someone is gonna go to jail for 5, 10, 20 years on charges of animal cruelty, illegal gambling, racketeering, tax evasion and a whole bunch of others that I can't think of right now, just to protect Mike Vick? Face it - his property, his knowledge, his money backing the operation. People will speak when its their ### on the line. Vick will be in jail soon enough. Get over it.

How is this thread supposed to stay on track with this kind of nonsense.1)His property - Yes, one that he didn't live at and visited 1-2 times a year2)His Knowledge - There is absolutely no evidence of that at this time3)His money backing - again, 0 evidence of that.I've seen some wild speculation at this point, but this one might take the cake.

Doesn't help any thread ever1. He says. Others say otherwise. His word against several. Add to that earlier reports of mail in his name found in the house.2. Same as above3. If dogfighting is found to occur on his property then there is at least peripheral proof of his financial involvement in the property alone. But it hearkens back to #2. So far the case is the word of several vs the word of Vick. Most of whom on both sides are somewhat shady in nature. Unfortunately the poster does make a point, that if charges fall on some, but not on Vick, what's to stop them from rolling over on him? Whether it's legit or not, trading info on Vick for a lighter sentence is quite possible.

 

[roadkill1292]

I am all for innocent until proven guilty, but lets see the circumstances behind why you are the ONLY person that thinks he is not involved.

I'm not reading ILUVBEER's comments like that all. He is saying that the conjecture in this thread (and others, I suppose) is running way ahead of the known data.It's nice to have opinions; that's why we're all here. But rushing to judgment is a facet of life that has definitely been exacerbated by the innerweb.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

1. He says. Others say otherwise. His word against several. Add to that earlier reports of mail in his name found in the house.2. Same as above3. If dogfighting is found to occur on his property then there is at least peripheral proof of his financial involvement in the property alone. But it hearkens back to #2. So far the case is the word of several vs the word of Vick. Most of whom on both sides are somewhat shady in nature. Unfortunately the poster does make a point, that if charges fall on some, but not on Vick, what's to stop them from rolling over on him? Whether it's legit or not, trading info on Vick for a lighter sentence is quite possible.

So basically your saying it's all he said/she said at this point with no solid evidence, that doesn't make a very good case. This is why it makes no sense for everyone to be saying they are so sure Vick is guilty based on the current evidence publicly available.