Felix Jones vs. CJ Spiller (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

These are 2 similar RBs in that both are young, both are extremely explosive, and both unknown whether they can handle a full load (in the NFL, that is). One guys has already been in the league for a couple of years and has shown definite flashes but hasn't put it all together. His value is climbing. Likewise, Spiller hasn't played an NFL down yet but is just an explosive athlete.

If you had to choose between these 2, which would it be and why? Someone who has shown a bit in the NFL but still hasn't done it his first 2 years or Spiller who hasn't shown anything yet but has some flashes of being elite.

Of course, your opinion will likely change one way or the other depending on where Spiller gets drafted, but let's assume a neutral landing ground (not stuck behind an all-pro RB but not given the keys to the starting job where he lands either).

 

[gianmarco]

Enjoy

 

[Malabar]

give me the RB who can run in between the tackes way better.

 

[golfguy]

spiller and it's not even close.

 

[HAM]

spiller and it's not even close.

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[switz]

give me the RB who can run in between the tackes way better.

Then you want Jones.

spiller and it's not even close.

We'll see when Spiller hits the NFL...Jones is a STUD in the making, Spiller looks like Jerious Norwood or Darren Sproles to me.Caveat: I have only seen a few games of Spiller's, plus the highlight film. Based upon that I'd take Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[gianmarco]

Spiller looks like Jerious Norwood or Darren Sproles to me.

 

[efactor]

give me the RB who can run in between the tackes way better.

Then you want Jones.

spiller and it's not even close.

We'll see when Spiller hits the NFL...Jones is a STUD in the making, Spiller looks like Jerious Norwood or Darren Sproles to me.Caveat: I have only seen a few games of Spiller's, plus the highlight film. Based upon that I'd take Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

IF he would stay healthy, Jones would definitely be my choice. He has shown that he can get it done in the NFL.Everyone always likes the new toy, so Spiller is getting a lot of love right now. Time will tell of course, but give me the guy who has shown he can get it done. Stay healthy Felix..........

 

[finito]

Like them both. Would rather have Jones but it's pretty close.

 

[golfguy]

give me the RB who can run in between the tackes way better.

Then you want Jones.

spiller and it's not even close.

We'll see when Spiller hits the NFL...Jones is a STUD in the making, Spiller looks like Jerious Norwood or Darren Sproles to me.Caveat: I have only seen a few games of Spiller's, plus the highlight film. Based upon that I'd take Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

IF he would stay healthy, Jones would definitely be my choice. He has shown that he can get it done in the NFL.Everyone always likes the new toy, so Spiller is getting a lot of love right now. Time will tell of course, but give me the guy who has shown he can get it done. Stay healthy Felix..........

really? with his grand total of 6 tds in 2 seasons and 146 carries in 2 years? not to mention there are 2 other rbs in dallas. hard for CJ to go anywhere that is going to be that much of a mess, unless carolina takes him.he hasn't shown me that he can handle the every down stuff. as per usual with cowboys, he is over rated. IMO.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Based upon that my mancrush I'd take Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Fixed. :(

 

[Garts]

I'm high on Felix, already own him and plan on taking Spiller #1 overall, no need to vote as I will own both anyways.

But based on what my gut says...I think IF HEALTHY...Felix is my choice.

 

[lyon812]

At this point, Jones, because I've seen him excel against NFL defenses.

 

[Loopdog]

I really don't know how anyone could say Spiller and then say that it's not close. Are you kidding? Remember what Reggie Bush did in college? You were all on his jock BIG TIME. How'd that work out? I like CJ Spiller, I think he will be a good pro, but Felix already IS a good pro. He's been injured some, sure. But we don't know what Spiller will do, and I've already seen Felix embarrass an NFL defense. If you want Spiller that's understandable, but to say it's not close is laughable.

 

[thecardiackid]

Maybe the poll should be:

Felix

or

1.1 / 1.2 / 1.3 in the upcoming rookie draft

And, either way, I'll take the guy who has PROVEN he can rip NFL (not college) defenses. (caveat - when healthy).

The RBBC w/ MBIII and some Choice mixed in is still a concern - but I will always believe that talent >>> situation. These things tend to work themselves out - if you have the patience (see MJD).

Maybe we'll need to wait another year in DAL, but you simply can't deny that Jones has NFL RB1 (FF wise) ability. Now he just needs the RBBC in DAL to work itself out, and find a way to stay healthy.

Disclaimer - dynasty Felix owner w/ the 1.1 and considering Spiller w/ that pick... at least for now.

 

[Bruno2]

Would those of you still take Spiller over Jones if Spiller were drafted by the Raiders? Just sayin' crazier things have happened, Al Davis loves speed and I bet he's kicking himself for missing the boat on Chris Johnson. I'd take Jones at this point in time, he's a proven commodity.

 

[RoyDubb]

i must say i'm very surprised at the results so far. I was thinking the hype of the "next great thing" would be more than the consensus oft-injured Felix Jones

 

[JohnnyU]

Would those of you still take Spiller over Jones if Spiller were drafted by the Raiders? Just sayin' crazier things have happened, Al Davis loves speed and I bet he's kicking himself for missing the boat on Chris Johnson. I'd take Jones at this point in time, he's a proven commodity.

I'm not as scared about RBs being drafted by the Radiers as I am WRs. No one likes the thought of Russell throwing to their fantasy WR. I bet Davis forces his coach to start Russell to start 2010 season.

 

[golfguy]

I really don't know how anyone could say Spiller and then say that it's not close. Are you kidding? Remember what Reggie Bush did in college? You were all on his jock BIG TIME. How'd that work out?

1. i didn't think bush was an every down nfl rb. he ran behind a great oline and offense at USC. 2. spiller was his offense at clemson and teams knew this, and he still torched them.3. if you want to look at college careers, jones wasn't #1 on his college team and so far he isn't #1 on his NFL team. 4. if he goes to the raiders maybe i like jones more. i just don't see the jones hype it's as crazy as the jamaal charles hype.

 

[az_prof]

give me the RB who can run in between the tackes way better.

Then you want Jones.

spiller and it's not even close.

We'll see when Spiller hits the NFL...Jones is a STUD in the making, Spiller looks like Jerious Norwood or Darren Sproles to me.Caveat: I have only seen a few games of Spiller's, plus the highlight film. Based upon that I'd take Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

IF he would stay healthy, Jones would definitely be my choice. He has shown that he can get it done in the NFL.Everyone always likes the new toy, so Spiller is getting a lot of love right now. Time will tell of course, but give me the guy who has shown he can get it done. Stay healthy Felix..........

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

 

[Malabar]

give me the RB who can run in between the tackes way better.

Then you want Jones.

spiller and it's not even close.

We'll see when Spiller hits the NFL...Jones is a STUD in the making, Spiller looks like Jerious Norwood or Darren Sproles to me.Caveat: I have only seen a few games of Spiller's, plus the highlight film. Based upon that I'd take Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

IF he would stay healthy, Jones would definitely be my choice. He has shown that he can get it done in the NFL.Everyone always likes the new toy, so Spiller is getting a lot of love right now. Time will tell of course, but give me the guy who has shown he can get it done. Stay healthy Felix..........

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I know a lot of people say it can't be done, but I've discovered the secret to predicting injuries and have a pretty simple explanation for Felix being injured a couple times already. I'm selling it for $9.95, but will reveal the info here and trust that you'll do the right thing afterward. Here goes:

He plays the position of RB in the NFL.

You can Paypal the cash to WDCRob@yahoo.com. And TIA for your support of future research.

 

[HAM]

I really don't know how anyone could say Spiller and then say that it's not close. Are you kidding? Remember what Reggie Bush did in college? You were all on his jock BIG TIME. How'd that work out? I like CJ Spiller, I think he will be a good pro, but Felix already IS a good pro. He's been injured some, sure. But we don't know what Spiller will do, and I've already seen Felix embarrass an NFL defense. If you want Spiller that's understandable, but to say it's not close is laughable.

I have seen enough of spiller throughout his college career to where if someone walked up to me today and said pick one, I wouldn't think need to think about it. Felix is a good talent an has that homerun threat but until Dallas frees up some space in that crowded backfield, I'll take my chance with Clifford. Could this change after the draft? I doubt it..Give me the tiger who wears twenty eight

 

[az_prof]

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

 

[JohnnyU]

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I guess Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams are also injury prone. So is Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Shonn Greene, Ronnie Brown, M Lynch, Jerome Harrison, Clinton Portis, Carnell Williams, Kevin Smith, and I could go on forever. Worrying about whether a back is injury prone ranks at the bottom of the RB evaluation scale.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

And he has had below 150 career carries yet people hype him up.....can't have it both ways.

 

[Malabar]

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

And he has had below 150 career carries yet people hype him up.....can't have it both ways.

and rookies who have ZERO carries get the hype as well, like a McFadden....the point is you cannot assume a 2nd year player cannot stay healthy for the remainder of his career.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

And he has had below 150 career carries yet people hype him up.....can't have it both ways.

and rookies who have ZERO carries get the hype as well, like a McFadden....the point is you cannot assume a 2nd year player cannot stay healthy for the remainder of his career.

No, the point is that BOTH are factored in to the equation of evaluating a player.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I'd love to see your evidence for past injuries predicting future injuries.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I'd love to see your evidence for past injuries predicting future injuries.

Anquan Boldin???

 

[jurb26]

These results so far are surprising. I didn't think that many people would favor Jones. I voted for Jones as well. I've seen him perform rather well in the NFL and he is a better between the tackles runner.

 

[JohnnyU]

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I'd love to see your evidence for past injuries predicting future injuries.

Anquan Boldin???

So, that smash across the face he took in the end zone constitutes injury prone? Boldin is one tough SOB.

 

[Christo]

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I guess Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams are also injury prone. So is Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Shonn Greene, Ronnie Brown, M Lynch, Jerome Harrison, Clinton Portis, Carnell Williams, Kevin Smith, and I could go on forever. Worrying about whether a back is injury prone ranks at the bottom of the RB evaluation scale.

I seem to remember people being scared of AD coming out of college because he was injury prone.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Anquan Boldin???

So, that smash across the face he took in the end zone constitutes injury prone? Boldin is one tough SOB.

B/c thats what I said.Boldin has started a full 16 game season once in the past 6 seasons......1 in 6.

 

[phthalatemagic]

146/951/6 for 6.5 vs 202/1246/3 for 6.2

Production wise - what's the difference between Jones and Jerious Norwood after the second year of Norwood's career? What's with the hype regarding this guy? Besides the fact that he's a Dallas Cowboy, so naturally Cowboy fans will fawn over him. I don't remember Norwood getting this much hype. Maybe he did.

 

[Christo]

I'd love to see your evidence for past injuries predicting future injuries.

Anquan Boldin???

Isaac BruceFred Taylor

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

146/951/6 for 6.5 vs 202/1246/3 for 6.2Production wise - what's the difference between Jones and Jerious Norwood after the second year of Norwood's career? What's with the hype regarding this guy? Besides the fact that he's a Dallas Cowboy, so naturally Cowboy fans will fawn over him. I don't remember Norwood getting this much hype. Maybe he did.

I was just in this same discussion today with another FBG. Another stat is Norwood had 40 receptions after 2 years and Jones has 21.....a relevant stat for PPR.

 

[Malabar]

146/951/6 for 6.5 vs 202/1246/3 for 6.2Production wise - what's the difference between Jones and Jerious Norwood after the second year of Norwood's career? What's with the hype regarding this guy? Besides the fact that he's a Dallas Cowboy, so naturally Cowboy fans will fawn over him. I don't remember Norwood getting this much hype. Maybe he did.

I was just in this same discussion today with another FBG. Another stat is Norwood had 40 receptions after 2 years and Jones has 21.....a relevant stat for PPR.

I know we play fantasy football which is all about the numbers, but those comparing Norwood to Felix -- numbers wise, reception-wise, size-wise etc etc, need to watch actual football games than just looking at numbers.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

146/951/6 for 6.5 vs 202/1246/3 for 6.2Production wise - what's the difference between Jones and Jerious Norwood after the second year of Norwood's career? What's with the hype regarding this guy? Besides the fact that he's a Dallas Cowboy, so naturally Cowboy fans will fawn over him. I don't remember Norwood getting this much hype. Maybe he did.

I was just in this same discussion today with another FBG. Another stat is Norwood had 40 receptions after 2 years and Jones has 21.....a relevant stat for PPR.

I know we play fantasy football which is all about the numbers, but those comparing Norwood to Felix -- numbers wise, reception-wise, size-wise etc etc, need to watch actual football games than just looking at numbers.

Then tell me what the difference is. Both runners have great speed....acceleration....open field moves....norwood has more power actually.

 

[bigern1000]

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I guess Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams are also injury prone. So is Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Shonn Greene, Ronnie Brown, M Lynch, Jerome Harrison, Clinton Portis, Carnell Williams, Kevin Smith, and I could go on forever. Worrying about whether a back is injury prone ranks at the bottom of the RB evaluation scale.

I seem to remember people being scared of AD coming out of college because he was injury prone.

Now he's just fumble prone...

 

[az_prof]

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I guess Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams are also injury prone. So is Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Shonn Greene, Ronnie Brown, M Lynch, Jerome Harrison, Clinton Portis, Carnell Williams, Kevin Smith, and I could go on forever. Worrying about whether a back is injury prone ranks at the bottom of the RB evaluation scale.

Now you're being silly. Stewart plays; how many games has he missed? Williams has missed three games in three years. If you aren't interested in projecting injuries, fine. Draft injury prone players. But I have found talent doesn't do much good when the guy is sitting on the sideline and in fact past injury history does predict future injury history.

 

[JohnnyU]

IF he can stay healthy....but we already know that Jones can't stay healthy. He is explosive and can play in the NFL but I will be surprised if he is a featured back. His body keeps breaking down as a complementary back so how can he be a featured back? I would rather have Spiller because we don't yet know if he can be a featured back whereas we know that Jones can't.

so after 2 years, you already know that Jones can't stay healthy for the remainder of his career??? OK.

When it comes to injuries past history is a good predictor of the future. Some guys just get nicked up a lot because of how their bodies are built. Other guys are durable and can play with minor injuries. No matter how talented a player is if he isn't durable he won't be a featured player for long. It isn't simply a question of playing RB. While Jones could prove to be the exception and become a durable player despite two years of not doing it in a secondary role with minimal touches, I doubt it. I would rather take a chance on a guy who got a lot of carries in college and showed durability there. Remember, Jones was not featured in college either. I think until he can get 300 plus touches without falling apart, the honus is on him to prove that he can do it.

I guess Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams are also injury prone. So is Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Shonn Greene, Ronnie Brown, M Lynch, Jerome Harrison, Clinton Portis, Carnell Williams, Kevin Smith, and I could go on forever. Worrying about whether a back is injury prone ranks at the bottom of the RB evaluation scale.

Now you're being silly. Stewart plays; how many games has he missed? Williams has missed three games in three years. If you aren't interested in projecting injuries, fine. Draft injury prone players. But I have found talent doesn't do much good when the guy is sitting on the sideline and in fact past injury history does predict future injury history.

Not being silly at all. Most of the players I listed are either frequently dinged or out. You can't pick on Felix Jones and not include these players. Jones was never hurt in college, so to all of sudden label him because of a few dings in Dallas is unfair, not to mention shortsighted.

 

[n20]

146/951/6 for 6.5 vs 202/1246/3 for 6.2Production wise - what's the difference between Jones and Jerious Norwood after the second year of Norwood's career? What's with the hype regarding this guy? Besides the fact that he's a Dallas Cowboy, so naturally Cowboy fans will fawn over him. I don't remember Norwood getting this much hype. Maybe he did.

I was just in this same discussion today with another FBG. Another stat is Norwood had 40 receptions after 2 years and Jones has 21.....a relevant stat for PPR.

I know we play fantasy football which is all about the numbers, but those comparing Norwood to Felix -- numbers wise, reception-wise, size-wise etc etc, need to watch actual football games than just looking at numbers.

Then tell me what the difference is. Both runners have great speed....acceleration....open field moves....norwood has more power actually.

Norwood has more power than Felix? I couldn't disagree more. Norwood has zero leg drive; just speed. Jones seems to have the frame to add bulk and has added muscle without losing speed... That's something Norwood will never be able to do. Anyway, this thread is about Felix versus Spiller and I'd rather have Felix at this moment. I think the injury prone label has some truth to it but is also the best angle to play in trade talks to acquire him right now. Could he be a bust? Of course but right now he's worth the risk at a reasonable price.

 

[gheemony]

If Spiller is getting compared to Felix, then Spiller is overhyped right now. He seems to be in play as the first rookie picked because Is upside his Chris Johnson. If all I can hope for is Felix Jones, then give me Dwyer or Matthews or Best or Bryant.

 

[Native]

Just want to say that Spillers highlight reel is incredible. Thats some body of work.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

146/951/6 for 6.5 vs 202/1246/3 for 6.2

Production wise - what's the difference between Jones and Jerious Norwood after the second year of Norwood's career? What's with the hype regarding this guy? Besides the fact that he's a Dallas Cowboy, so naturally Cowboy fans will fawn over him. I don't remember Norwood getting this much hype. Maybe he did.

I was just in this same discussion today with another FBG. Another stat is Norwood had 40 receptions after 2 years and Jones has 21.....a relevant stat for PPR.

I know we play fantasy football which is all about the numbers, but those comparing Norwood to Felix -- numbers wise, reception-wise, size-wise etc etc, need to watch actual football games than just looking at numbers.

Then tell me what the difference is. Both runners have great speed....acceleration....open field moves....norwood has more power actually.

Norwood has more power than Felix? I couldn't disagree more. Norwood has zero leg drive; just speed. Jones seems to have the frame to add bulk and has added muscle without losing speed... That's something Norwood will never be able to do. Anyway, this thread is about Felix versus Spiller and I'd rather have Felix at this moment. I think the injury prone label has some truth to it but is also the best angle to play in trade talks to acquire him right now. Could he be a bust? Of course but right now he's worth the risk at a reasonable price.

Zero leg drive??? That's comical.
Check 6 second in....two stiff-arms. 1:25, then look at 1:50....the next three runs norwood finishes the runs with power....with the last of three at 2:00 and powers through a tackler. Again at 2:10....powers into two tacklers finishing a run and gaining another 5 yards.

And I would also love to know how YOU know Felix Jones has the frame to add bulk and won't lose speed??? Sounds like a wish and hope to me. Also why can't Norwood do this, if Felix can?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Not a horrible compare for Spiller, but I think the questions on their ability to run in tight spaces when coming out was for two different reasons. Jones had the question mark because pretty much all of his runs were from the spread and most of those were from the Wildcat with a very dangerous RB getting the snap. So it was, and still is, reasonable to question whether he can run in tight spaces when most of his runs were through wide open lanes cause by misdirection. Spiller ran mostly from a standard offense and did go between the tackles a lot, he just cut most of those runs back outside. So the question I have for him is whether he did that because he knew he was so fast that he could turn the corner (which happened a lot), or did he do it because he doesn't have much power and can't break tackles. I don't know how we can say for sure. But if I've learned anything about studying RBs the last several years, it's that you shouldn't assume someone can't do something just because you don't see them do it. Whether that is running inside, outside, catching passes, pass blocking, whatever. Until you see a college RB repeatedly FAIL on something, you shouldn't be sure he can't do it. It just means that there is more risk involved in guessing whether he can do it at the NFL level than a back that has shown he can do it.

 

[n20]

I'm not sure when stiff arms became evidence of leg drive but, whatever. I'll admit I am not giving Norwood enough credit but at the same time I can't say I think he's in the same league as Felix. As for the frame; Felix has added weight to his frame in the two years he's been in the league; Norwood looks like he's stayed about the same size. Maybe that's because Felix was so thin coming out of college but he's visibly much bigger than before. Again, I could be wrong but I don't think they're the same player at all.

 

[TS Garp]

In a vacuum, I'll take Jones, because I've seen him shred NFL defenses, and Spiller hasn't proven that he can do that yet. But I do believe that Jones' ceiling isn't huge. Not talent-wise, but because of his situation. There's just no reason for the Cowboys to give him more than 225 carries or so. They have the luxury of rotating him with 2 very good backs, and, as much as you can argue whether he's injury-prone or not or whether it will be a true three-headed attack, I think the fact is that they'll do what they can to make sure he's fresh for the playoffs. I fully believe that Jones will do the most with the opportunities that he gets, but he's just not going to see a huge load. Spiller's situation remains to be seen, but it could be preferable. So it's hard to answer this question right now. Talent-wise -- give me Jones. For fantasy next season, we'll see once we have more information.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm not sure when stiff arms became evidence of leg drive but, whatever. I'll admit I am not giving Norwood enough credit but at the same time I can't say I think he's in the same league as Felix. As for the frame; Felix has added weight to his frame in the two years he's been in the league; Norwood looks like he's stayed about the same size. Maybe that's because Felix was so thin coming out of college but he's visibly much bigger than before. Again, I could be wrong but I don't think they're the same player at all.

My original statement was he runs harder than felix....which the stiffarms are a part of that.....but he does have leg drive at times.But here are the numbers through two years:Felix(5'10 204) - 146 carries for 951 yards 6.5 6 tds, 21 receptions for 129 yards.Norwood(6'0 205)- 201 carries for 1248 6.2 3 tds, 40 receptions for 379 yards.The numbers are similiar...their games are similiar....and both were hyped up at one point....just saying.