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Felix Jones is going to tear it up at the combine!!!!!
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You're giving your rookie RB a year to show he's Westbrook?
So that's about 160(ish) carries his rookie year. Sorry, don't see it with Barber there. FWIW, it appears KFaulk is underrated around here. The guy was a good complimentary back and able to perform pretty well when he had to start. If you look at his career, he's about where I'd place Jones.
Julius had 164 carries last season. Felix is better than Julius. Barber has never had more than 204 carries in a season.
Well, if you say so.
Felix has never had more than 154 carries in a seasonFelix has carried the ball more than 13 times in a game, 6 times
A team like Dallas isn't going to draft a guy with their first pick in the first round unless they plan to use him. I don't think it's really all that big of a stretch to draw parallels between Deuce/Bush and Taylor/MJD. Barber has never been a true featured back and even with his new contract, there's no real reason to think the Cowboys don't want to maintain the same sort of rotation they've used for the past few years.
I think consecutive 1,000 yard rushing seasons and a first round pedigree help explain why people envision him playing a prominent role. I wouldn't say he's as talented as the players you mentioned, but I can certainly imagine him playing the same sort of role that Bush and MJD have played for their teams.
Agree to disagree. People are tossing around the names of a relative few players with their skill set. Jones might be a good RB, but he simply does not have the same dynamic skills. That's not a knock on him, very few do - and many here will say Bush isn't all that good a RB anyway. I can see him getting up to 10 carries a game if that's how the staff wants to manage Barber and him, but that's his ceiling while Barber is around. He is not going to get close to 100 receptions like Bush, or close to 2,000 yards like Westbrook. I mention the name Kevin Faulk because he's among the same group but not as dynamic, much like Jones.EBF said:
I pretty much see C.Johnson and F.Jones being worth about the same, and I think they will probably have similar roles on their offenses. I think they are both very interesting players in ppr leagues as flex optionsJedimaster21 said:
Good question. Any Dallas homers out there that can fill us in? My impression is that he will be used as a KR but I dont know about being used as a PR too
I'm not a homer but if Adam Jones is reinstated he will handle PR.
I know this is really cliche, but if you really believe that, I have to believe you haven't seen him play that much. Felix Jones was so dynamic in college that the team was forced to find a way to get him on the field, even though they had Darren McFadden. He was so dynamic that he has one of the best YPCs in college EVER. He has very good hands, tremendous vision, rare cutting ability, which he didn't need to flash much because of his outstanding speed.
So you are basing your projection of Jones upon your opinion of Barber, not really by looking at their skill sets, and abilities. Jones is a far more dynamic player than Barber. Barber is one heck of a tough runner, but he is not going to dazzle anyone with moves or speed. He is going to pound it, and he is tough to bring down. But with his running style, he's in no way capable of carrying the load the way some people are thinking. He's split carries at every single level. He's couldn't prevent Julius Jones from having a large share, he won't prevent Felix from having a large share.
I'm not thinking he gets 100 receptions, or 2,000 yards. I don't think that's what people were implying when they compared him to Bush or Westbrook. It's just that his skill set is similar to theirs, and he will be used a lot even as a secondary RB like Bush.Honestly, I really think the only reason people would be down on Jones is if they are Barber owners or fans, and just don't want to believe Jones will play a large role. I figure that Barber sees 220-280 carries, and Jones sees 130-150 carries. Jones will probably see 40-50 receptions in addition to his carries.
I agree with the number of rushes you have predicted, but not the receptions. I can understand why people think that Chris Johnson will get a ton of receptions this year. Tennessee has talked about lining him up at WR and getting him involved in the offense in different ways. I don't see Jones getting the same number of catches for the Cowboys. For now I have Jones pegged at 2 catches a game... This could change if I hear differently from the coaching staff.
Correct. And Felix wasn't a punt returner at Arkansas because he had a hard time handling punts. Kicks are very easy to catch. Punts are a little more of a challenge and Felix only has okay hands, not great hands. Which should also put to rest nonsense about him being like Westbrook. Dallas was happy with Miles Austin returning kicks last year (25.5 yard avg). He, Stanback and Felix will compete for the job. I suspect Felix will be win the opportunity. He was a great kick returner and should be better than the others. In the offense I expect him to have a lesser role than JJ did as a runner as Barber becomes featured a little more, but Felix will help. I just don't have any grand expectations for him as a receiver. He caught very few balls in college and his coaches came right out and said he needed to work on his hands. The perception that he is a third down receiving back is wrong, though I guess he could develop. Chris Johnson is miles ahead of him in this capacity.
20 - 30 Recs is a little more like it... Jones is # 6 - 8 in Rookie drafts now... his role will always be limited, as long as Barber is there. Jones owners are looking at an avg of 10 touches a game; while MBIII is healthy. Dallas didn't have many needs going into this draft, and FJones does make the Dallas O a better team. IMO, FJones will not have much FF value.
Handling a punt is very different than catching kicks, but it's not about the hands.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/felix-jones/
http://www.armchairgm.com/Felix_Jones
http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=...amp;nid=3295620
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2008/0...rb-felix-jones/ (report from Scouts Inc.)
http://www.bolthype.com/2008/03/darren-mcf...jones-have.html
That last one was the quote form the coach that people seem to refer to. Notice, he said every once in a while he'd drop a pass in practice. Felix has good hands. I've seen Westbrook and Bush both drop balls. Their hands aren't any significantly better than Felix's.
Jones is actually 5'10" 207, which is a big difference from 6'0 200. He's still a bit light, but he's bigger than Chris Johnson.
Except that he's 5'10.25" and 208 Lbs.And I'm still wondering how that is more undersized than Chris Johnson or ... who is the other undersized RB that went in the first??? McFadden?
Your reasoning is sound, and I think you got a good player. Wit the way his value is so low, though, you may have overpaid. But then again, I overpaid to get him in SSL IV because I wanted him on my roster.
Regardless of when you drafted or made the trade, why not just trade down to get Felix? Im not knocking you for drafting him, but just imagine... You could have moved don, gotten another pick or 2 just to move down a couple spots. But its cool... everyone has their opoinion of everyone. If Felix is available for me at 1.06, Ill take him there. If not, oh well...I already have the 1.3 also.
I saw him plenty. Not as much as Arkansas fans, but I live in SEC country and watched quite a few games. I liked what I saw enough, but I never once thought he could be the next Westbrook or Bush. I read the same reports you have, and they say nice things, but don't they all?
FWIW, KFaulk's reports would have been similar. The post I replied to was"
That seems to imply a massive # of receptions and/or yardage. Fact is, he's part of a RBBC, many of the receptions he might get will go to Witten and TO, so his ceiling is simply not that high for the foreseeable future. He'll be a nice asset for the Cowboys, but not a star in FF, even in PPR leagues.
I think the "in the Cowboys offense" would imply "part of a RBBC."Regardless, I've been playing FF a long time, and I remember when KFaulk came out, and no, his scouting reports were nothing like Jones. IIRC he was projected to go in the third round, and it was a surprise when the Pats took him in the second. He was considered a 3rd down RB at best.I saw him plenty. Not as much as Arkansas fans, but I live in SEC country and watched quite a few games. I liked what I saw enough, but I never once thought he could be the next Westbrook or Bush. I read the same reports you have, and they say nice things, but don't they all?FWIW, KFaulk's reports would have been similar.
The post I replied to was"
That seems to imply a massive # of receptions and/or yardage. Fact is, he's part of a RBBC, many of the receptions he might get will go to Witten and TO, so his ceiling is simply not that high for the foreseeable future. He'll be a nice asset for the Cowboys, but not a star in FF, even in PPR leagues.
While there were some scouts who question whether Jones could be an everydown RB, Faulk was universally viewed as "at best" a 3rd down RB. Faulk also, BTW, is much slower than Jones.
You talking about Kevin Faulk... because thats going to be Felix Jones' career.Remember, Kevin was rated very high in his draft has well... and all he's ever been is one of the best 3rd down backs.I have a question, how many 225 Reps did F Jones do... I have seen 6 to 13 reported?
Almost as laughable as the Jones to Westbrook comparisons.
That's really really laughable. Jones and Faulk are NOTHING alike. Faulk is small, small, small, and slow, slow, slow.
Um, no, he wasn't. He was rated the 5th best back in the class, but to put that in perspective, Cecil Collins, and JJ Johnson were rated ahead of him. The only backs that anyone viewed as worth anytihng in that draft were Ricky and Edge, and then the drop off was HUGE. The Patriots reached to grab Faulk in the second because they were desparate having lost Curtis Martin a year earlier and then losing his replacement Robert Edwards in the offseason with a knee injury.Here's one link with him rated #5 - behind Ricky, Edge, Cecil Collins and Sedrick Irvin
Does it really matter? His bench has little to nothing to do with how well he runs - he uses his leg to run, not his chest.
Faulk was a 4.6 runner, Jones is a 4.4 runner. No one, except maybe NE fans, thought Faulk was going to be anything more than a spot contributor. There was a time when scouts thought Jones might be the #2 overall RB in the draft, some thought he was better than McFadden.
Yes, The Running Backs Chest Strengh does matter... it helps w/ Pass Blocking, Breaking Tackles, and Personally... its an indicator of durability and Fumbling. An RB w/ a solid Chest can take a couple of shots w/ out coughing up the ball.
I highlighted the differences, which are pretty big. Also, nfldraftscout may have him at #3, but look at how small a class (35) he was competing with, and again, the relative talent. Compare that to Felix Jones, 5 out of 187, competing with far superior talent in this year's draft. I would say there are at least 8 backs in this draft better than Kevin Faulk. McFadden, Jones, Mendy, Stewart, Charles, Forte, Smith, Johnson, and probably a couple that slip my mind right now have potential to have more of an impact than Faulk. And that's taking into consideration that Faulk is probably underrated by many for the role he plays.BTW, if you want to play the nfldraftscout profile comparison game:KellysHeroes said:
I was simply pointing out that they will use him in a variety of ways, just like the Eagles do with Westbrook.
Ok, I can buy that. I still don't see him as the same sort of talent that Westbrook or Bush have, but time will tell.
Westbrook = powerFWIW, KFaulk was 3rd behind Edge and Ricky Williams. No back drafted this year would have been higher.
