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[Koya]

Even before today, I have been pretty impressed with Eli's play this year. Last week he really showed some signs, but obviously couldnt sustain it in the second half. This week, however, the progression continued. I was always a fan of the trade for Eli, although I wasnt sure it was a slam dunk. That said, everything I could have hoped for so far (within reason) is seemingly, taking place.I thought this would be a real struggle of a year with highs and lows... and there are certainly some lows in store for a team with no pass D and Eli will have his lows as well, but I feel as good as ever about the QB position for the next decade. Great to see such a solid all around game from the young QB.

 

[Balco]

I said it last season on another board and got quickly flamed out, but Eli Manning is the best qb by far from last seasons draft class. The guy lives in the film room and has all the physical tools. He is going to be a great NFL qb.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

HUGE win! Eli has looked great! Highest scoring team in the NFL

 

[Balco]

You just have to love how he sees the field, and waits for plays to develop.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before? PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...J

 

[Balco]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before?

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

I can't even think of brothers who play or played qb other than the Mannings and Detmers. Maybe ty and Koy both threw 8 interceptions in a game. That counts for something, no?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

Now that was funny.

 

[gman8343]

Eli is freaking awesome so far. Even in the loss last week he was poised and in control, not making stupid mistakes.The guy is a star.

 

[Koya]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before?

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

I was thinking the exact same thing (at the time it was 7 TDs). Random Shot material. I too thought Eli was the best of the class - but you can't deny that his (expected) early struggles combined with Roth's huge first year put some doubt on that equation and even how good/great Eli could be.

We should still expect a few clunker games, but the game today, some of the reads and the throws, were better than I could have hoped for - even being a biased Giants fan.

 

[Don Quixote]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before?

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

I can't even think of brothers who play or played qb other than the Mannings and Detmers. Maybe ty and Koy both threw 8 interceptions in a game. That counts for something, no?

McCowns, Hasselbacks, and Huards also presently out there.Sure there's been some in history, but don't know them.

 

[The Duff Man]

Burress helps....what a freakin steal! Throw it up and let him get it....I guess the Pit QBs could never figure that out. As long as he stops being later for meetings...

 

[cscmtp]

I'm a huge Skins fan, but i can admit, Eli looks to be the real deal. You do have a great young QB there. Who would have thought the Eagles and Cowgirls would be chasing the Skins and Giants. Whahoo!

 

[Koya]

This is the most excited I have been as a Giants fan since my childhood and LT / Simms. Trying to temper my excitement because you know bumps are in the road. But man, it is nice to feel like we found our guy for the next 10 years. Build around that. How many of those QBs are there? A handful every decade, if that. We really might have found that. Our Favre, Marino, McNabb - not comparing Eli to those guys at all... but if he is to be a star QB, and a franchise that is where he needs to go. I dont think it is so unrealistic after watching what he has done barely 10 games into his NFL career.Burress does help, a lot. What a great job of GMing to get a guy like that for your young QB. Toomer is good, but what Burress can do physically is on another plane.

 

[yankobb]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before? 

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

I was thinking the exact same thing (at the time it was 7 TDs). Random Shot material. I too thought Eli was the best of the class - but you can't deny that his (expected) early struggles combined with Roth's huge first year put some doubt on that equation and even how good/great Eli could be.

We should still expect a few clunker games, but the game today, some of the reads and the throws, were better than I could have hoped for - even being a biased Giants fan.

Eli has looked great these past two games but Roth hasn't been too bad either. In fact out of the two Roth is the only one with at least 200+ yards and 2 TDs in every game and he has 2 less INTs to boot.

 

[Koya]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before? 

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

I was thinking the exact same thing (at the time it was 7 TDs). Random Shot material. I too thought Eli was the best of the class - but you can't deny that his (expected) early struggles combined with Roth's huge first year put some doubt on that equation and even how good/great Eli could be.

We should still expect a few clunker games, but the game today, some of the reads and the throws, were better than I could have hoped for - even being a biased Giants fan.

Eli has looked great these past two games but Roth hasn't been too bad either. In fact out of the two Roth is the only one with at least 200+ yards and 2 TDs in every game and he has 2 less INTs to boot.

Not taking away from any other QB, nor saying Eli is better... just a happy Giants fan with a little message board exhuberation that we might have found something special. Still early, but some great signs.Only mentioned Roths because with his huge success, it might have fanned the flames of Eli's detractors. Might be two very good careers from two very different QBs from that draft (and I know, Rivers too, but Im not convinced and dont have anything fromt he NFL to see good or bad, yet).

 

[yankobb]

Yeah, I'm a Giants fan also. Eli and that whole offense is looking great.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before? 

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

I was thinking the exact same thing (at the time it was 7 TDs). Random Shot material. I too thought Eli was the best of the class - but you can't deny that his (expected) early struggles combined with Roth's huge first year put some doubt on that equation and even how good/great Eli could be.

We should still expect a few clunker games, but the game today, some of the reads and the throws, were better than I could have hoped for - even being a biased Giants fan.

Eli has looked great these past two games but Roth hasn't been too bad either. In fact out of the two Roth is the only one with at least 200+ yards and 2 TDs in every game and he has 2 less INTs to boot.

Not taking away from any other QB, nor saying Eli is better... just a happy Giants fan with a little message board exhuberation that we might have found something special. Still early, but some great signs.Only mentioned Roths because with his huge success, it might have fanned the flames of Eli's detractors. Might be two very good careers from two very different QBs from that draft (and I know, Rivers too, but Im not convinced and dont have anything fromt he NFL to see good or bad, yet).

I was so nervous heading into the SD game. I thought it could have ruined him for life. But he was the lone bright spot that night and today, he looked great with Burress. That TD to Shockey was beautiful too!

 

[Koya]

Any other pair of brothers combine for an 8 TD in the NFL before? 

PS. Please don't get yourself banned with a racist reply...

J

I was thinking the exact same thing (at the time it was 7 TDs). Random Shot material. I too thought Eli was the best of the class - but you can't deny that his (expected) early struggles combined with Roth's huge first year put some doubt on that equation and even how good/great Eli could be.

We should still expect a few clunker games, but the game today, some of the reads and the throws, were better than I could have hoped for - even being a biased Giants fan.

Eli has looked great these past two games but Roth hasn't been too bad either. In fact out of the two Roth is the only one with at least 200+ yards and 2 TDs in every game and he has 2 less INTs to boot.

Not taking away from any other QB, nor saying Eli is better... just a happy Giants fan with a little message board exhuberation that we might have found something special. Still early, but some great signs.Only mentioned Roths because with his huge success, it might have fanned the flames of Eli's detractors. Might be two very good careers from two very different QBs from that draft (and I know, Rivers too, but Im not convinced and dont have anything fromt he NFL to see good or bad, yet).

I was so nervous heading into the SD game. I thought it could have ruined him for life. But he was the lone bright spot that night and today, he looked great with Burress. That TD to Shockey was beautiful too!

Just so others know - yeah, this is a total love fest, but deal. Happy Giants fans here.His throws are beautiful. Great touch and definately enough strength. He fools you because he looks like a sophmore in HS slumped over out there at first.

His composure and demeanor seem perfect for the NY market. Not an automaton like Peyton, but pretty unflappable so far. Handles situations very well.

That said, QB is all about results so we will see how it goes from here.

 

[5Rings]

I hate to crap on your parade, but isn't the #1 overall pick that you gave up the house for supposed to be good?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I hate to crap on your parade, but isn't the #1 overall pick that you gave up the house for supposed to be good?

Yes. But many #1's are not. Tim Couch / Cade McNown / Akili Smith anyone?Plus, this is about as good as a 2nd year QB can look.

J

 

[Koya]

I hate to crap on your parade, but isn't the #1 overall pick that you gave up the house for supposed to be good?

Yeah, he is supposed to be good.No actually... GREAT. That said, nothing is a guarantee. To see things fall in line even better than my expectations this early is still nice to see.

If we fulfill on greatness for a number one pick, thats good by me.

 

[Koya]

I hate to crap on your parade, but isn't the #1 overall pick that you gave up the house for supposed to be good?

Yes. But many are not. Akili Smith anyone?Plus, this is about as good as a 2nd year QB can look.

J

It is good to hear others say this because I honestly think it, but can't know how much of my Giants bias comes into play.

 

[5Rings]

I hate to crap on your parade, but isn't the #1 overall pick that you gave up the house for supposed to be good?

Yeah, he is supposed to be good.No actually... GREAT. That said, nothing is a guarantee. To see things fall in line even better than my expectations this early is still nice to see.

If we fulfill on greatness for a number one pick, thats good by me.

Fair enough--just thought I "heard" a trace of surprise. Cool. And Joe, there have been a few 2nd year QBs who have looked as good/better. Of course, that list puts Manning in pretty good company....

Hijack over--congrats to the Giants. I thought the Card game was a fluke--they look for real.

 

[Percula]

I hate the Giants ('skins fan) but I'll freely admit he does indeed look very good. I was really impressed last week.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I hate to crap on your parade, but isn't the #1 overall pick that you gave up the house for supposed to be good?

Yes. But many are not. Akili Smith anyone?Plus, this is about as good as a 2nd year QB can look.

J

It is good to hear others say this because I honestly think it, but can't know how much of my Giants bias comes into play.

I'll say it again, Koya. The best play he made all day wasn't even a throw. It was recognizing the defense and checking out of the play to go with the pass to Toomer. You don't see many 2nd year guys doing that.I live in Knoxville and I'm a Peyton Manning fan. And I know it's cool to hate Eli becuase of the silver spoon thing yada yada. And people at the "bloodline" thing.

But the reality is that he's a smart QB with lots of physical talent that seems like he works his butt off and is a fast learner. Call that "bloodline" or silver spoon or whatever you want. But he's a lot like his brother who is the best QB in the game.

J

 

[Bailiver]

I am not a Giants fan, but I like watching this guy. He looks like he is going to be a great QB. You can already see the game slowing down for him.There may be a little something to the bloodline thing. Both Eli and Peyton are blessed with strong, athletic bodies. But the difference, I think, is that they have had football drilled into them since they were kids.

 

[Koya]

I am not a Giants fan, but I like watching this guy. He looks like he is going to be a great QB. You can already see the game slowing down for him.

There may be a little something to the bloodline thing. Both Eli and Peyton are blessed with strong, athletic bodies. But the difference, I think, is that they have had football drilled into them since they were kids.

A lot of kids have football their entire lives. I think what makes the Manning's so unique is they had NFL football, hype, big games, big schools, expectations, pressure, this entire time. It is almost expected by them, so when they confront that pressure they sure seem to remain calm.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

The question is, even if he's the real deal, was he worth all the draft picks?

 

[WeScoreMore]

The question is, even if he's the real deal, was he worth all the draft picks?

A franchise QB?YES

 

[Joe Bryant]

I am not a Giants fan, but I like watching this guy.  He looks like he is going to be a great QB.  You can already see the game slowing down for him.

There may be a little something to the bloodline thing.  Both Eli and Peyton are blessed with strong, athletic bodies.  But the difference, I think, is that they have had football drilled into them since they were kids.

A lot of kids have football their entire lives. I think what makes the Manning's so unique is they had NFL football, hype, big games, big schools, expectations, pressure, this entire time. It is almost expected by them, so when they confront that pressure they sure seem to remain calm.

It's a great nature vs nurture debate.Obviously, the Mannings are blessed with good (not great) physicals. They're tall and have excellent arms. But they also have the experience. Peyton was throwing against Saints DBs in practice when he was in high school when Archie did Saints radio. His first day at Tennessee in front of 100,000 was what he'd been preparing for all his life. That kind of stuff.

So I think it's a mix.

J

 

[Koya]

The question is, even if he's the real deal, was he worth all the draft picks?

At this point, absolutley, 100%. Obviously what we see has to continue. But this is beyond even the level of expecation that very high price tag brought with it. Like I said, how many true franchise QBs are there? Top 5-7 type QBs for extended periods of time. Some of them, top 3 QB types for a decade. To be in line for at least the lesser of those and possibly the later - which is not a stretch with the still very early signs - from a Giants fan's point of view, is awesome.

Between David Wright and Eli, sports are lookin up!

 

[Koya]

The question is, even if he's the real deal, was he worth all the draft picks?

Answered another way:What would teams give up for a Favre, Marino, Culpepper, Vick, Peyton Manning type player?

I'd suggest if they got the sure thing, it would be worth more than two top draft picks. Obviously, Eli is a LONG way away from even being mentioned in that group. However, that is what he was drafted to be. That is what being the "real deal" for a top overall QB should be. So far, he has shown that promise. Still has to get there, and its a LONG way... but he has shown that promise in ways some guys never get. He looks like he knows a LOT more about what is going out there than Bledsoe, who has been doing this for ages, and certainly more than Kerry "Deer in the headlights" Collins.

So, if real deal is close to one of those QBs listed above - what do you think of the price?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think it would be difficult to overestimate the value of a franchise QB. Those guys are solid gold. Way more impact than people see. A guy like Tom Brady is worth hundreds of millions of dollars to the Patriots and New England community from businesses on out. Huge impact.J

 

[Synthesizer]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.

Exactly how so?J

 

[HoTnickZ]

not a Giants fan but I can finally watch their games without throwing up a little in my mouth.

 

[Synthesizer]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother. 

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

 

[WeScoreMore]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

Whats wrong with being a student of the game?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.  

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?J

 

[oukurt]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.  

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

I must agree. I wish him nothing but as many failures as can become an NFL QB. You aren't bigger than the game Eli, even though you and your sheep following think you are.

 

[buster c]

all I can say that from a FANTASY perspective, my waiver pickup this week for him (because Hasslebeck was up aganst the skins) is reminding me of the time I picked up Kurt Warner after 3 games in '99. where did the FBG's have Eli ranked this week? this year?

 

[Chaz]

I guess throwing him to the wolves last season was a good move, in retrospect.Even watching on TV, there is a clear difference in his demeanor from last season.

 

[gump]

Once again, Eli's success is no surprise to anyone who watched him play a lot of college ball. Always poised, accurate, and leading the way.Glad it quiets the people who thought Manning was overrated and a future bust just because of his last name.Lesson #1 of player evaluation: Watch them play the game before making judgements on their abilities.

 

[hook014]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.  

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

I must agree. I wish him nothing but as many failures as can become an NFL QB. You aren't bigger than the game Eli, even though you and your sheep following think you are.

C'mon guys, this sounds like sour grapes.The Giants (no i'm not a fan) have done everything right here.

Traded value for value. Got their guy. Brought him along. Now starting to see the fruits of their labor.

What's not to like ? (or respect?)

I'm not a big Coughlin fan and i think he'll have to be shed before they can hit the next level, but they are certainly on their way.

 

[Bri]

I didn't think teams could matchup with the Giants well and stated several times all summer that I thought they'd be much improved but oh my, the highest scoring O? Eli really stunk last year and he deserves so much credit for this year. What a difference!Kudos to the G-men for keeping his confidence up, his head on straight, and getting a good T in FA to protect him.

 

[BigRed]

I was always a fan of the trade for Eli, =

Hm why am I skeptical...as well as with about 99% of all other NYG fans who are saying the same thing, to be fair. But FYI I thought it was a stupid move, actually. Trading a stud rook QB (Rivers) for a #1 pick just to get another in Manning? Esp. when it was (and frankly is) debatable which is better? Stoopid.

Gotta love those bandwagoners



And actually I DO love how all the "Eli will bust" boneheads are scurrying for cover

As for not playing for SD, I can understand the scorn, but really we don't know the deal w/that. I have a feeling there's some background/info there we don't know. Maybe not, just a hunch.

 

[jonessed]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.  

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

I must agree. I wish him nothing but as many failures as can become an NFL QB. You aren't bigger than the game Eli, even though you and your sheep following think you are.

C'mon guys, this sounds like sour grapes.The Giants (no i'm not a fan) have done everything right here.

Traded value for value. Got their guy. Brought him along. Now starting to see the fruits of their labor.

What's not to like ? (or respect?)

I'm not a big Coughlin fan and i think he'll have to be shed before they can hit the next level, but they are certainly on their way.

I don't fault the Giants. I fault Eli for the temper tantrum he threw when the Chargers drafted him. The whole idea of the draft is to give the lesser teams the best shot at new talent. Stating you won't play for this or that team because your Dad doesn't like them defeats the whole purpose. Everyone got what they wanted in the end, including the Chargers. That doesn't mean he's still not a spoiled brat

 

[Joe Bryant]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.  

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

I must agree. I wish him nothing but as many failures as can become an NFL QB. You aren't bigger than the game Eli, even though you and your sheep following think you are.

C'mon guys, this sounds like sour grapes.The Giants (no i'm not a fan) have done everything right here.

Traded value for value. Got their guy. Brought him along. Now starting to see the fruits of their labor.

What's not to like ? (or respect?)

I'm not a big Coughlin fan and i think he'll have to be shed before they can hit the next level, but they are certainly on their way.

Human nature is to whine. It's not unexpected.J

 

[BigRed]

Stating you won't play for this or that team because your Dad doesn't like them

...which you know because......PS I don't recall a "tantrum" or anything close. I only recall him saying he wouldn't play for SD.

Charger fan are ya?

 

[Koya]

Too bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.  

Exactly how so?J

Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."

I must agree. I wish him nothing but as many failures as can become an NFL QB. You aren't bigger than the game Eli, even though you and your sheep following think you are.

C'mon guys, this sounds like sour grapes.The Giants (no i'm not a fan) have done everything right here.

Traded value for value. Got their guy. Brought him along. Now starting to see the fruits of their labor.

What's not to like ? (or respect?)

I'm not a big Coughlin fan and i think he'll have to be shed before they can hit the next level, but they are certainly on their way.

I don't fault the Giants. I fault Eli for the temper tantrum he threw when the Chargers drafted him. The whole idea of the draft is to give the lesser teams the best shot at new talent. Stating you won't play for this or that team because your Dad doesn't like them defeats the whole purpose. Everyone got what they wanted in the end, including the Chargers. That doesn't mean he's still not a spoiled brat

This intent of this thread is not to go over the typical Eli debate. As one parting word on that subject, Eli was willing to sacrifice a year of income, risk injury or a lower draft status, to stay away from a situation which he had reasons to believe were not right for him. He was well within his "rights" - SD played hardball and they got a lot of value for risking taking him with the first choice. The Giants got a great young QB and Eli got an organization suite for him. Seems to work all around.Now, back to the unabashed Eli praising for the one thing we can't argue about (well, this week at least) - how Eli is the next coming of Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana combined.