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Female teacher gets 38 years for fondling and oral sex (1 Viewer)

Difference being that she was awesome looking. We wouldn't want to waste that with a long prison sentence. In this case, nothing will be lost with a long sentence.

 
The kid was 12 which is terrible. If he was at least 15 id say no harm done

Molestation is terrible but either way it shouldnt be getting a heavier sentence than your average murder

 
The kid was 12 which is terrible. If he was at least 15 id say no harm done

Molestation is terrible but either way it shouldnt be getting a heavier sentence than your average murder
Why not?
Because its murder. 1st degree is usually life. 2nd is usually 25 years to life

Perhaps it just seems excessive to me because of how inconsistently sex offenders are sentenced

 
Ridiculous sentence. I agree if it was a man molesting a girl. But a woman giving the boy a BJ and simulating sex acts with clothes on is in no way worth 38 years. I'd say give her a year and some community service.

 
http://tbo.com/news/crime/ex-teacher-gets-38-years-for-having-sex-with-student-20131210/

Awful. Goes to show how psychotic judges can be. Hopefully the appeal will go through and she gets a much more realistic sentence. The awesome looking blonde that recently was convicted of student molestation got zero jail time.
pretty blonde white girl got a plea bargain this one was a sentence. We have no idea what offers she turned down before she took this to trial. Though WTF would you take something like that to trial if guilty. Very odd.

 
She was found guilty on NINE counts.... not just one.
Yes - it looks like the entire deal (pre-sex and sex) occurred over several months. So 9 bj's are a lot worse a couple? The kid wasn't tied up in a closet - he got a few bj's. So this warrants similar/higher sentences as armed robbery and murder?
Committing nine acts of crime over several months is far worse than committing one crime. Doing it once can be seen as a temporary lack of judgement. Doing it again and again and again for months shows a mindset that is not right. I'm surprised her lawyer couldn't show she was mental.

 
She was found guilty on NINE counts.... not just one.
Yes - it looks like the entire deal (pre-sex and sex) occurred over several months. So 9 bj's are a lot worse a couple? The kid wasn't tied up in a closet - he got a few bj's. So this warrants similar/higher sentences as armed robbery and murder?
Committing nine acts of crime over several months is far worse than committing one crime. Doing it once can be seen as a temporary lack of judgement. Doing it again and again and again for months shows a mindset that is not right. I'm surprised her lawyer couldn't show she was mental.
So are we back to you saying 38 years is appropriate compared to murder, etc.?

 
I hope you are being sarcastic. The little boy was 12.
Apparently he isn't kidding and I think this is a situation where Binky just might not understand how some of us look at this. Yeah its all kind of funny when the teenage boys are 15 and 16 and there is some semi-decent looking 20 something or 30 something year old female teacher, we start remembering our own teenage fantasies about the sexy teacher in our high school but here we have a 12 year old boy that might not have even started puberty.

This woman is a predator plain and simple, the only reason she cried to the court is because she was caught. You allow her access to more 12 year old boys and I can assure you this won't be an isolated incident if it isn't already. I am surprised that so many think this would be OK. So if we are looking for that line in the sand of where it crosses over from mildly amusing to child predator for boys…I think any of them under about 15 or 16 years old, pretty much victims at the hands of a predator whether it is a hot female, an ugly female, a man, nobody should be putting their hands and mouths on 12 year old boys. 12 year old boys are still pretty innocent.

I hate to point to this but look at this woman, not many 15 or 16 year old boys are gonna want that, certainly no clear thinking men(OK some weirdos might like her) and so she goes to the well or pool where she can still find a fish which is 12 year old boys and under who have never even kissed a female.

This is definitely a child predator situation and this woman deserves a very stiff penalty to set an example and let folks know that this is not something to be taken lightly and unlike other social issues, people with strong urges to sexually assault children and act them out are not going to be tolerated. It's completely unacceptable and will never be treated as anything other than that.

Pretty woman, ugly woman, Jerry Sandusky, it's all the same when we are talking 12 year old boys IMO. A 12 year old is going to be traumatized.

 
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She was found guilty on NINE counts.... not just one.
Yes - it looks like the entire deal (pre-sex and sex) occurred over several months. So 9 bj's are a lot worse a couple? The kid wasn't tied up in a closet - he got a few bj's. So this warrants similar/higher sentences as armed robbery and murder?
If this were a man performing oral sex on a twelve year old girl, we'd be calling for chemical castration.

Twelve years old. NINE counts. That's just over four years per count. I have no problem at all with this sentence.

If she'd committed murder nine times, how many years do you think she'd get?

 
I hope you are being sarcastic. The little boy was 12.
Apparently he isn't kidding and I think this is a situation where Binky just might not understand how some of us look at this. Yeah its all kind of funny when the teenage boys are 15 and 16 and there is some semi-decent looking 20 something or 30 something year old female teacher, we start remembering our own teenage fantasies about the sexy teacher in our high school but here we have a 12 year old boy that might not have even started puberty.

This woman is a predator plain and simple, the only reason she cried to the court is because she was caught. You allow her access to more 12 year old boys and I can assure you this won't be an isolated incident if it isn't already. I am surprised that so many think this would be OK. So if we are looking for that line in the sand of where it crosses over from mildly amusing to child predator for boys…I think any of them under about 15 or 16 years old, pretty much victims at the hands of a predator whether it is a hot female, an ugly female, a man, nobody should be putting their hands and mouths on 12 year old boys. 12 year old boys are still pretty innocent.

I hate to point to this but look at this woman, not many 15 or 16 year old boys are gonna want that, certainly no clear thinking men(OK some weirdos might like her) and so she goes to the well or pool where she can still find a fish which is 12 year old boys and under who have never even kissed a female.

This is definitely a child predator situation and this woman deserves a very stiff penalty to set an example and let folks know that this is not something to be taken lightly and unlike other social issues, people with strong urges to sexually assault children and act them out are not going to be tolerated. It's completely unacceptable and will never be treated as anything other than that.

Pretty woman, ugly woman, Jerry Sandusky, it's all the same when we are talking 12 year old boys IMO. A 12 year old is going to be traumatized.
I guess I haven't been clear enough. At no point did I say that the crime she committed not a serious one. And yes - part of my point is that the significantly less attractive woman got the hammer so we are in agreement there as a part of this injustice. The main point is the comparison of serving 38 years for this crime compared to murder.

 
I kinda get his point, the other case he was probably referring to was Debra Lefave, who had sex with a 14 year old. 4 counts (shows repeated behavior) and she had both sexual intercourse and oral sex, which I would assume is worse than simulated sex and oral sex, in this case. I can't see that a 2 year difference in the age of the victim means much, obviously puberty could have hit, etc, but they are still both minors in the eyes of the court.

Debra Lefave got three years house arrest and seven years probation (although looks like she is getting more probation). Ethel is getting 38 years in jail.

There is something wrong here. Now, I'm not saying Debra shouldn't be the one with some time being tacked on, but I also think 38 years is a bit excessive as well. I could see about 10 years sentenced, and I put both about the same, due to one's crimes being more serious but the other having more counts. I do think looks and race potentially played a part in how these two cases ended up being prosecuted.

 
She was found guilty on NINE counts.... not just one.
Yes - it looks like the entire deal (pre-sex and sex) occurred over several months. So 9 bj's are a lot worse a couple? The kid wasn't tied up in a closet - he got a few bj's. So this warrants similar/higher sentences as armed robbery and murder?
If this were a man performing oral sex on a twelve year old girl, we'd be calling for chemical castration.

Twelve years old. NINE counts. That's just over four years per count. I have no problem at all with this sentence.

If she'd committed murder nine times, how many years do you think she'd get?
So how many years did Debra Lafave get? Were you happy with that?

How many years did Soon Ja Du get for shooting a girl in the back of the head?

How about Rachel Gannon? Melody Butt?

Go ahead and look them up. Tell me 38 years is the proper sentence.

 
12 is pretty young, at that time in life every year makes a huge difference. 14 even is a far cry from 12. That said, what may have greater psychological impact on the kid, being fondled by this woman or having to be questioned by lawyers, police, judges, doctors in front of all these strangers and being made to recount all the uncomfortable details somewhat publicly and then seeing newspaper articles about it, people on the Internet/TV talking about it?

 
She was found guilty on NINE counts.... not just one.
Yes - it looks like the entire deal (pre-sex and sex) occurred over several months. So 9 bj's are a lot worse a couple? The kid wasn't tied up in a closet - he got a few bj's. So this warrants similar/higher sentences as armed robbery and murder?
If this were a man performing oral sex on a twelve year old girl, we'd be calling for chemical castration.Twelve years old. NINE counts. That's just over four years per count. I have no problem at all with this sentence.

If she'd committed murder nine times, how many years do you think she'd get?
:goodposting:

 
I hope you are being sarcastic. The little boy was 12.
Apparently he isn't kidding and I think this is a situation where Binky just might not understand how some of us look at this. Yeah its all kind of funny when the teenage boys are 15 and 16 and there is some semi-decent looking 20 something or 30 something year old female teacher, we start remembering our own teenage fantasies about the sexy teacher in our high school but here we have a 12 year old boy that might not have even started puberty.

This woman is a predator plain and simple, the only reason she cried to the court is because she was caught. You allow her access to more 12 year old boys and I can assure you this won't be an isolated incident if it isn't already. I am surprised that so many think this would be OK. So if we are looking for that line in the sand of where it crosses over from mildly amusing to child predator for boys…I think any of them under about 15 or 16 years old, pretty much victims at the hands of a predator whether it is a hot female, an ugly female, a man, nobody should be putting their hands and mouths on 12 year old boys. 12 year old boys are still pretty innocent.

I hate to point to this but look at this woman, not many 15 or 16 year old boys are gonna want that, certainly no clear thinking men(OK some weirdos might like her) and so she goes to the well or pool where she can still find a fish which is 12 year old boys and under who have never even kissed a female.

This is definitely a child predator situation and this woman deserves a very stiff penalty to set an example and let folks know that this is not something to be taken lightly and unlike other social issues, people with strong urges to sexually assault children and act them out are not going to be tolerated. It's completely unacceptable and will never be treated as anything other than that.

Pretty woman, ugly woman, Jerry Sandusky, it's all the same when we are talking 12 year old boys IMO. A 12 year old is going to be traumatized.
I guess I haven't been clear enough. At no point did I say that the crime she committed not a serious one. And yes - part of my point is that the significantly less attractive woman got the hammer so we are in agreement there as a part of this injustice. The main point is the comparison of serving 38 years for this crime compared to murder.
So because the sentence for murder is only 38 years we should let this lady off easily? It would be less psychotic to argue for tougher sentences for murderers than it would be to argue for lighter sentences for child molestors

 
She was found guilty on NINE counts.... not just one.
Yes - it looks like the entire deal (pre-sex and sex) occurred over several months. So 9 bj's are a lot worse a couple? The kid wasn't tied up in a closet - he got a few bj's. So this warrants similar/higher sentences as armed robbery and murder?
If this were a man performing oral sex on a twelve year old girl, we'd be calling for chemical castration.Twelve years old. NINE counts. That's just over four years per count. I have no problem at all with this sentence.

If she'd committed murder nine times, how many years do you think she'd get?
So how many years did Debra Lafave get? Were you happy with that?How many years did Soon Ja Du get for shooting a girl in the back of the head?

How about Rachel Gannon? Melody Butt?

Go ahead and look them up. Tell me 38 years is the proper sentence.
Are you assuming I think those others are the proper sentences? Because I don't. And I think if Soon Ja Du had committed NINE acts of involuntart manslaughter, she would have gotten more than 38 years.NINE counts. It's not 38 years for one act.

 
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Ridiculous sentence. I agree if it was a man molesting a girl. But a woman giving the boy a BJ and simulating sex acts with clothes on is in no way worth 38 years. I'd say give her a year and some community service.
Why should it be different depending on if it's a boy or girl? What if it was an older male and a 12 year old boy?

 
That seems a bit excessive for the described crime. I was about that age my first time, I don't feel scarred. Still there should be punishment for these things. And I am not against a reasonable jail sentence. But 38 years? That's ridiculous.

 
Ridiculous sentence. I agree if it was a man molesting a girl. But a woman giving the boy a BJ and simulating sex acts with clothes on is in no way worth 38 years. I'd say give her a year and some community service.
Why should it be different depending on if it's a boy or girl? What if it was an older male and a 12 year old boy?
Tell me you're not serious.
Answer the question. If it was a male teacher who gave the kid a bj, would you feel differently?

 
Ridiculous sentence. I agree if it was a man molesting a girl. But a woman giving the boy a BJ and simulating sex acts with clothes on is in no way worth 38 years. I'd say give her a year and some community service.
Why should it be different depending on if it's a boy or girl? What if it was an older male and a 12 year old boy?
Tell me you're not serious.
Answer the question. If it was a male teacher who gave the kid a bj, would you feel differently?
If my son gets a bj from his female teacher, it's a 30 min conversation about growing up.

If my son gets a bj from his male teacher, the rest of his teenage years will be spent having conversations about homo and heterosexual lifestyles.

I can't believe I'm even answering this question.

 
That seems a bit excessive for the described crime. I was about that age my first time, I don't feel scarred. Still there should be punishment for these things. And I am not against a reasonable jail sentence. But 38 years? That's ridiculous.
The first time you were molested?

 
Ridiculous sentence. I agree if it was a man molesting a girl. But a woman giving the boy a BJ and simulating sex acts with clothes on is in no way worth 38 years. I'd say give her a year and some community service.
Why should it be different depending on if it's a boy or girl? What if it was an older male and a 12 year old boy?
Tell me you're not serious.
Answer the question. If it was a male teacher who gave the kid a bj, would you feel differently?
If my son gets a bj from his female teacher, it's a 30 min conversation about growing up.

If my son gets a bj from his male teacher, the rest of his teenage years will be spent having conversations about homo and heterosexual lifestyles.

I can't believe I'm even answering this question.
What if your 12 year old is gay and a female teacher gives him a bj?

 
She was found guilty on NINE counts.... not just one.
Yes - it looks like the entire deal (pre-sex and sex) occurred over several months. So 9 bj's are a lot worse a couple? The kid wasn't tied up in a closet - he got a few bj's. So this warrants similar/higher sentences as armed robbery and murder?
Committing nine acts of crime over several months is far worse than committing one crime. Doing it once can be seen as a temporary lack of judgement. Doing it again and again and again for months shows a mindset that is not right. I'm surprised her lawyer couldn't show she was mental.
So are we back to you saying 38 years is appropriate compared to murder, etc.?
Are we comparing it to nine counts of murder or just one?

 
Ridiculous sentence. I agree if it was a man molesting a girl. But a woman giving the boy a BJ and simulating sex acts with clothes on is in no way worth 38 years. I'd say give her a year and some community service.
Why should it be different depending on if it's a boy or girl? What if it was an older male and a 12 year old boy?
Tell me you're not serious.
Answer the question. If it was a male teacher who gave the kid a bj, would you feel differently?
If my son gets a bj from his female teacher, it's a 30 min conversation about growing up.

If my son gets a bj from his male teacher, the rest of his teenage years will be spent having conversations about homo and heterosexual lifestyles.

I can't believe I'm even answering this question.
What if your 12 year old is gay and a female teacher gives him a bj?
I'd ask him if he's changed his mind.

 
So what I'm hearing is that we want to teach young boys that sexual pleasure is a good thing and not a big deal in most circumstances, but teach young girls that their sexual pleasure is a bad thing.

Or are we saying that 12 year old boys are more mature than 12 year old girls so that's why it's cool?

 
Maybe I missed something, but why are we comparing 9 counts of a crime and the sentence that carries with one count of a different crime and the sentence that carries? :oldunsure:

 
The boy also told detectives that the language arts teacher has "distinguishing stretch marks on her stomach area and described her skin in that area in detail," the documents said.
Too lenient, imo.

 
So what I'm hearing is that we want to teach young boys that sexual pleasure is a good thing and not a big deal in most circumstances, but teach young girls that their sexual pleasure is a bad thing.

Or are we saying that 12 year old boys are more mature than 12 year old girls so that's why it's cool?
Because it's a boy banging his teacher, wooohoooo! :fistbump:

But bad man touches a little girl. Toss him in jail after castration. Then let prisoners rape him to death.

I'm not saying it's right, but that seems to be the attitude around here.

 
That seems a bit excessive for the described crime. I was about that age my first time, I don't feel scarred. Still there should be punishment for these things. And I am not against a reasonable jail sentence. But 38 years? That's ridiculous.
The first time you were molested?
First time I had sex. The young lady was certainly aggressive but I don't know if it fell under molestation or not.

 
That seems a bit excessive for the described crime. I was about that age my first time, I don't feel scarred. Still there should be punishment for these things. And I am not against a reasonable jail sentence. But 38 years? That's ridiculous.
The first time you were molested?
First time I had sex. The young lady was certainly aggressive but I don't know if it fell under molestation or not.
How old was she?

 

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