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FFA Movie Poll - 1982 Countdown Monday! (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I have never seen Conan.
Not compelled to either.
Not compelled to either.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#12 187pts
14/1
I miss Dorothy.
You don't have to. She's right here. And she misses you. Look, you don't know me from Adam. But I was a better man with you, as a woman... than I ever was with a woman, as a man. You know what I mean? I just gotta learn to do it without the dress. At this point, there might be an advantage to my wearing pants. The hard part's over, you know? We were already... good friends.
failure as a feminist social commentary.
Women aren't good at being women. They must be educated by a man, who can be a woman better than they ever could. If only all women knew that men were so much better at being women than they were.
Women would be better off picking up masculine traits. That would make them happier and more strong. Because traditionally feminine women are not strong and need to change.
And the main character is completely shallow. He chooses the young attractive woman without depth (Oh yeah, she doesn't make the right sexual choices. That makes her interesting!) over the older woman who is less attractive, but is at least an interesting character.
Now I could forgive this in a movie that wasn't claiming to be a powerful feminist piece. This movie is claiming that, and it fails.
TOOTSIE
14/1
I miss Dorothy.
You don't have to. She's right here. And she misses you. Look, you don't know me from Adam. But I was a better man with you, as a woman... than I ever was with a woman, as a man. You know what I mean? I just gotta learn to do it without the dress. At this point, there might be an advantage to my wearing pants. The hard part's over, you know? We were already... good friends.
failure as a feminist social commentary.
Women aren't good at being women. They must be educated by a man, who can be a woman better than they ever could. If only all women knew that men were so much better at being women than they were.
Women would be better off picking up masculine traits. That would make them happier and more strong. Because traditionally feminine women are not strong and need to change.
And the main character is completely shallow. He chooses the young attractive woman without depth (Oh yeah, she doesn't make the right sexual choices. That makes her interesting!) over the older woman who is less attractive, but is at least an interesting character.
Now I could forgive this in a movie that wasn't claiming to be a powerful feminist piece. This movie is claiming that, and it fails.
TOOTSIE
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I have a sneaking suspicion that the top 10 is going to anger me greatly.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Conan the Barbarian redefined the fantasy genre. Seriously surprised it didn't get more love.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
For me, Tootsie was one of the surprises of the countdown. Before we started this, I would have pegged it as being a for sure top 5. I also thought Sophie's Choice would make it to the top 10.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Hey man, we only have 1 more before the top 10 and we haven't seen Khan yet, so you still have that going for you. (unless it didn't even make the countdown...
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TripItUp
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#11 212pts
12/3
Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it.
A bit of a drag
For a film lasting 129 minutes, I would say that there are about sixty minutes of prime material. Charlotte Rampling is a gross irrelevance. Some of the courtroom scenes are laughably amateurish, not simply because of their sheer implausibility but also their appeal to cheap melodrama. Paul Newman must have salivated over this role, because it entails him hogging the camera throughout almost the entire movie, and boy does he love the limelight. Like Kirk Douglas and some others I could mention, he is a SLOW actor, operating under the assumption that pace equates with shallowness, and slowness equates with profundity. Big mistake. I agree with some other posters that TWELVE ANGRY MEN was far superior as a courtroom drama, if that's what you want to call THE VERDICT, since only a very small proportion of the movie takes place in the courtroom. Most of it is a superficial critique of the legal profession. A better plot and less self-indulgent direction might have salvaged this tedium-fest.
THE VERDICT
12/3
Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it.
A bit of a drag
For a film lasting 129 minutes, I would say that there are about sixty minutes of prime material. Charlotte Rampling is a gross irrelevance. Some of the courtroom scenes are laughably amateurish, not simply because of their sheer implausibility but also their appeal to cheap melodrama. Paul Newman must have salivated over this role, because it entails him hogging the camera throughout almost the entire movie, and boy does he love the limelight. Like Kirk Douglas and some others I could mention, he is a SLOW actor, operating under the assumption that pace equates with shallowness, and slowness equates with profundity. Big mistake. I agree with some other posters that TWELVE ANGRY MEN was far superior as a courtroom drama, if that's what you want to call THE VERDICT, since only a very small proportion of the movie takes place in the courtroom. Most of it is a superficial critique of the legal profession. A better plot and less self-indulgent direction might have salvaged this tedium-fest.
THE VERDICT
TripItUp
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Fair enough. It was just a first impression when I looked at a 'best of 82' list online and did a quick guess what I thought the top 5 might look like here.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I guess I'm the only one who gave Tootsie more than 25+ points. Surprised by that. I think it has one of the better scripts of all time.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I love that quote, and this movie. The person who wrote this review is an idiot and knows nothing about the profession. 12 Angry Men was a phenomenal movie in its own right, for sure, but for different reasons. The Verdict was a more personal story told through the world of the profession 30 years ago when a bunch of arrogant alcoholics tried to act like kings on Mount Olympus with the commoners at their feet.
Ok, granted, not much has changed except I've moved up to the mountain, but still. Good movie. Glad it got some love from non-lawyers.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
On The Rocks
Footballguy
The reviews are painful to read.
I had The Verdict #1 on my list for 1982. I think at one point I had made an All Time favorite movies list a few years ago and it was in my top 10 all time. Not sure it would still be in the top 10 but it's still my favorite court room drama of all time and favorite Paul Newman movie of all time. I'm not sure if it's so low on this list because people haven't seen it, or people just prefer #### to quality.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Doesn't this match up pretty close with your list?
Um, first off, no. And second I said "No Offense" so...
On The Rocks
Footballguy
This was another great one! Very quotable at the time. I think I gave this 20 points. Shame it's so low on the list.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
My top three movies fall out of the top 10. I'm guessing this crew is going to have Fast Times as it's #1 overall.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Not when you realize how few of the rankers were allowed to go outside on their own when these movies came out. We all have fond memories of our babysitters.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Two of my top 3 favorite movies came out before I was born, and the other when I was under 10. It's not an age thing for me, I just didn't like Tootsie.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I have a sense that had I seen it this one would have gotten between 20 and 30 points from me. Its at the top of my must sees that we've had from the 1st two iterations of this exercise.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
You know KP, the slow reveal didn't do it for me in high school, and it's not doing anything for me now.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Dude, I am not going to ignore my child all day for this thread's amusement. Have some errands, and parent night practice for the old one's basketball team tonight. I will get to the top 10 tonight.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Tootsie was just ok IMO. I liked it fine, but I was shocked to see how much some revere it. Time Out did a poll of actors only and Tootsie came out as the greatest film of all time. That is really perplexing to me.Yankee23Fan said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
At some point it might be time to consider adoption for the kids. That way we will all be happy. We will have quicker content on our move poll reveals, you will be able to focus more time on your posts and your kids- well they will have all their life ahead of them to get therapy.
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otb_lifer
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I already orphan them enough during football and baseball fantasy/dfs season. So, basically all the time.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Have you thought about hiring a 20 year old French nanny?I already orphan them enough during football and baseball fantasy/dfs season. So, basically all the time.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Uh, daily? But then they would see me even less as I add doing the nanny to fantasy sports and too many movies.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Geez, nobody can think of anything to talk about in here?
kupcho1
Footballguy
Looking forward to seeing how high the Draughtsman's Contract placed in the top 10.Geez, nobody can think of anything to talk about in here?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
We have a swim trunk emergency, so it will be an hour + before I get to the top 10, if not tomorrow am.
kupcho1
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Oh man, I see Yankee is here - I better get my ### in gear!
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#10 227pts
19/4
They're here.
Not Scary! Not Scary! Not Scary!
When it comes to the likes of horror flicks, Poltergeist has got to be one of the all-time, most over-rated pieces of movie-junk that I have ever seen. There's no ifs, ands, or buts, about it.
From start to finish, Poltergeist is nothing but an over-blown, thoroughly obnoxious mess of a horror movie. Its story escalates (at break-neck speed) into one of the stupidest 'hauntings' imaginable.
There's absolutely no subtlety, or artistic restraint in evidence anywhere in this flick. We, the viewer, are literally bulldozed to death, and then buried alive by an onslaught of preposterous special effects that are only there to distract us from the plain, simple truth that - "THIS FLICK REALLY SUCKS!!"
Just like The Shining - I cannot figure out, for the #######' life of me, why so many people continue (32 years later) to still make such a ridiculous fuss over this one. Let's face it - Poltergeist isn't that good. It isn't!
For one thing - Not only are all of the kids in Poltergeist totally revolting and worthy of being slaughtered within the first half hour of this flick, but the adults are definitely in need of a good decapitation, too. It's true. One can't help but loathe every last one of them.
And on top of all of that - Would someone please tell me - What sort of a Property Development Company builds a subdivision of homes right on top of a ####### graveyard, and only moves the #######' headstones to another location, and leaves the actual coffins still buried there in the ground? Eh? Who??
Like, am I expected to accept, without question, that during the initial excavation of all of this property (laying sewer pipes, creating basements, building swimming pools, etc., etc.) that not a single, solitary coffin was ever dug up at this point? And - Am I also supposed to believe the the entire construction crew working on this project were actually all in on this conspiracy not to move any of the graves, and so they just built everything around them?
C'mon, now! That's just plain preposterous and idiotic.
When you seriously consider the illogical aspect of it all - Poltergeist simply comes out as being just a really dumb horror movie. Its story is an absolute insult to the intelligence of even the most average-thinking person.
POLTERGEIST
19/4
They're here.
Not Scary! Not Scary! Not Scary!
When it comes to the likes of horror flicks, Poltergeist has got to be one of the all-time, most over-rated pieces of movie-junk that I have ever seen. There's no ifs, ands, or buts, about it.
From start to finish, Poltergeist is nothing but an over-blown, thoroughly obnoxious mess of a horror movie. Its story escalates (at break-neck speed) into one of the stupidest 'hauntings' imaginable.
There's absolutely no subtlety, or artistic restraint in evidence anywhere in this flick. We, the viewer, are literally bulldozed to death, and then buried alive by an onslaught of preposterous special effects that are only there to distract us from the plain, simple truth that - "THIS FLICK REALLY SUCKS!!"
Just like The Shining - I cannot figure out, for the #######' life of me, why so many people continue (32 years later) to still make such a ridiculous fuss over this one. Let's face it - Poltergeist isn't that good. It isn't!
For one thing - Not only are all of the kids in Poltergeist totally revolting and worthy of being slaughtered within the first half hour of this flick, but the adults are definitely in need of a good decapitation, too. It's true. One can't help but loathe every last one of them.
And on top of all of that - Would someone please tell me - What sort of a Property Development Company builds a subdivision of homes right on top of a ####### graveyard, and only moves the #######' headstones to another location, and leaves the actual coffins still buried there in the ground? Eh? Who??
Like, am I expected to accept, without question, that during the initial excavation of all of this property (laying sewer pipes, creating basements, building swimming pools, etc., etc.) that not a single, solitary coffin was ever dug up at this point? And - Am I also supposed to believe the the entire construction crew working on this project were actually all in on this conspiracy not to move any of the graves, and so they just built everything around them?
C'mon, now! That's just plain preposterous and idiotic.
When you seriously consider the illogical aspect of it all - Poltergeist simply comes out as being just a really dumb horror movie. Its story is an absolute insult to the intelligence of even the most average-thinking person.
POLTERGEIST
Keith R
The Don
That negative review lost any shred of cred by bashing Poltergeist by calling it similar to The Shining
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#9 230pts
19/1
What's your prediction for the fight?
My prediction?
Yes, your prediction.
Pain!
Even more of the same - formulaic
Rocky is one of the most overrated movies of all time. Implausible plot, often dull and with some of the worst performances you'll see in a movie: from the over-the-top acting of Burgess Meredith to the monosyllabic, IQ-reducing grunts of Sylvester Stallone. Only Talia Shire was convincing.
Only thing that made it watchable was the occasional humour, the introductory scenes and the final fight scene.
Rocky II was more of the same. Human drama for 90% of the film, followed by an intense fight scene. This time, however, the human drama side is more realistic and engaging and the movie flows better for it. Still not great, as it all feels kind of predictable, but it is less dull than the first movie.
Rocky III pretty much just follows the same formula. Change the guy Rocky has to fight, rinse and repeat. Only difference here is that we have two fights - one in mid-movie, one at the end.
I like the idea of a serialized account of Rocky's life, but this doesn't really add anything original to the series.
ROCKY III
19/1
What's your prediction for the fight?
My prediction?
Yes, your prediction.
Pain!
Even more of the same - formulaic
Rocky is one of the most overrated movies of all time. Implausible plot, often dull and with some of the worst performances you'll see in a movie: from the over-the-top acting of Burgess Meredith to the monosyllabic, IQ-reducing grunts of Sylvester Stallone. Only Talia Shire was convincing.
Only thing that made it watchable was the occasional humour, the introductory scenes and the final fight scene.
Rocky II was more of the same. Human drama for 90% of the film, followed by an intense fight scene. This time, however, the human drama side is more realistic and engaging and the movie flows better for it. Still not great, as it all feels kind of predictable, but it is less dull than the first movie.
Rocky III pretty much just follows the same formula. Change the guy Rocky has to fight, rinse and repeat. Only difference here is that we have two fights - one in mid-movie, one at the end.
I like the idea of a serialized account of Rocky's life, but this doesn't really add anything original to the series.
ROCKY III
El Floppo
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#8 240pts
13/5
They may torture my body, break my bones, even kill me, then they will have my dead body. NOT MY OBEDIENCE!
historically inaccurate
This movie had potential. It could have informed the western public about an important part of history. Instead, it caricatured the era, leaving out significant characters (Subhaschandra Bose, etc.), getting many things completely wrong, and making characters like Jinnah, Nehru, and Patel into one-dimensional parodies of themselves. It also leaves out anything about Gandhi that wouldn't go over well in the west (his obsession with enemas -- and giving them to his female followers himself, his habit of sleeping naked with teenage nieces to test sexual reticence, his statement that the Jews in WWII should just have killed themselves rather than fight against Hitler...). Really shoddy and a shame.
GANDHI
13/5
They may torture my body, break my bones, even kill me, then they will have my dead body. NOT MY OBEDIENCE!
historically inaccurate
This movie had potential. It could have informed the western public about an important part of history. Instead, it caricatured the era, leaving out significant characters (Subhaschandra Bose, etc.), getting many things completely wrong, and making characters like Jinnah, Nehru, and Patel into one-dimensional parodies of themselves. It also leaves out anything about Gandhi that wouldn't go over well in the west (his obsession with enemas -- and giving them to his female followers himself, his habit of sleeping naked with teenage nieces to test sexual reticence, his statement that the Jews in WWII should just have killed themselves rather than fight against Hitler...). Really shoddy and a shame.
GANDHI
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#7 366pts
28/3
Jack... Tell me a story.
#### you!
Oh, that's one of my favorites.
I can't see what folks saw in this one....
Nick Nolte is a tough and out of control cop who springs a con (Eddie Murphy) to help him locate two serial killers who have already killed at least five guys. These two are mismatched buddies in a buddy film.
Back in 1982, "48 Hours" made a ton of money and was a surprise hit--and helped make Eddie Murphy a big star. However, when I see it today, I sure wonder what folks saw in it. It just comes off as a VERY nasty film--full of racial epithets, nudity, f-bombs (FYI--IMDB won't let me or anyone use this word in a review) and violence. And, to me, it seemed like most of this was put in the film just to offend--as if it somehow made the film edgy and hip. Well, to me it just seems nasty and unappealing. To make it worse, much of the film consists of really, really bad dialog, ridiculous police behaviors (with Nolte's character, the Bill of Rights simply don't exist), guns that NEVER need reloading and so much macho posturing that I felt like puking.
48 HRS.
28/3
Jack... Tell me a story.
#### you!
Oh, that's one of my favorites.
I can't see what folks saw in this one....
Nick Nolte is a tough and out of control cop who springs a con (Eddie Murphy) to help him locate two serial killers who have already killed at least five guys. These two are mismatched buddies in a buddy film.
Back in 1982, "48 Hours" made a ton of money and was a surprise hit--and helped make Eddie Murphy a big star. However, when I see it today, I sure wonder what folks saw in it. It just comes off as a VERY nasty film--full of racial epithets, nudity, f-bombs (FYI--IMDB won't let me or anyone use this word in a review) and violence. And, to me, it seemed like most of this was put in the film just to offend--as if it somehow made the film edgy and hip. Well, to me it just seems nasty and unappealing. To make it worse, much of the film consists of really, really bad dialog, ridiculous police behaviors (with Nolte's character, the Bill of Rights simply don't exist), guns that NEVER need reloading and so much macho posturing that I felt like puking.
48 HRS.
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