Scoresman
Footballguy
I do need 75 or else the scoring gets messed up. You have about a week and a half to watch a bunch of movies!!
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FFA Top 200 Horror Movies of All Time: #35 - Invasion of the Body Snatchers (31 Viewers)
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Scoresman
Footballguy
Love it! It’s one of those movies where you will recommend it to a friend and they will either love you for it or punch you in the face.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I’ve nixxed a handful already but this is true. They would probably not end up in the top 100 anyway. Yours were fine I think.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Great point.
The Gator
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
I would’ve told you if they were yours.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
OK, I just started on my list and really started struggling so I will just ask: Do we want rulings on if a movie is or isn't horror for the exercise before the lists are finalized, or is part of the fun the argument when the countdown is a bit askew?
I will throw out a big name that has already been brought up: The Silence of the Lambs. My guess is that is a movie some do and don't consider horror, so it will be left off some lists because of that. I quickly looked at a couple lists on RT and similar, and I found myself shaking my head at the categorization of a handful at the top of the lists as well. One being a top 5 movie for me.
I will throw out a big name that has already been brought up: The Silence of the Lambs. My guess is that is a movie some do and don't consider horror, so it will be left off some lists because of that. I quickly looked at a couple lists on RT and similar, and I found myself shaking my head at the categorization of a handful at the top of the lists as well. One being a top 5 movie for me.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I’m ok either way but I thought it might be fun to keep it a bit loose, but still within reason. Also keeps the spotlighting of titles down to not discuss it too much.
SotL is one I think is ok. Definitely the most popular one that skirts the line. There are enough horror like elements in the movie, IMO and it’s on enough lists out there.
Right now, with 6 lists in, there are very few controversial titles that I can see that would be skewing the results here.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Told my dad (1930s to 1950s horror movie aficionado) about this. He's gonna pull together a list.
My list is going to display some recency bias, but damn there've been some good horror movies the past 10 years or so.
My list is going to display some recency bias, but damn there've been some good horror movies the past 10 years or so.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
You must. It's free on Prime.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Well, just to be clear that movies and others won't be on my list because I don't consider them horror. For me a criteria is: does the violence occur on screen or off? Silence has horrific ideas and images, but the kills and violence occur off screen. I consider it thriller.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Imo it's closer than Silence, but still a thriller for similar reasons.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I don't consider it horror, but I consider Silence of the Lambs and Jaws as horror. Couldn't tell you why.
The Gator
Footballguy
The Menu crossed my mind, too, but i don't think it qualifies imo.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I mean that scene where Hannibal escapes is pretty brutal and mostly on screen, isn’t it? I sure carry that image in my head to this day.
I think the definition of where to draw the line has more to do with the scare factor. Lambs is a genuinely scary movie.
Horror thrillers, IMO are just as valid a subgenre as something like horror comedy or sci-fi horror.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Don't overthink it, man.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I am not following your math here at all. You should be scoring 75 points for a movie ranked first on someone's list, and 1 point for the movie ranked 75th.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
I was using KPs method from the 80s/90s threads but sounds like this would work too.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Good question. I see a lot of them on IMDb as if they were classified as really long movies. I’m inclined to say yes.
Keith R
The Don
I don't agree but if we go down this rabbit hole, what about TV series? And what about series that have self-contained seasons like AHS, would someone be able to name different seasons as different entries on their list? Or singular episodes of Twilight Zone or Tales from the Crypt?
Scoresman
Footballguy
Miniseries are essentially three hour long movies. Big difference from a TV series. Pretty easy to draw a line there IMO.
But yeah you could go either way with these. I don’t know what’s right. It’s just easier to be a bit more lenient and let the lists dictate what comes through.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I vote for no TV.
I finally got down to my final 75. Let's not screw this up.
I finally got down to my final 75. Let's not screw this up.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Definitely interesting ranking a movie I watch over and over again because it's fun vs a movie I watched once and really still sticks with me and I dont' know when I'll watch it again.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Agreed
zamboni
Footballguy
It's not going to have the same soul. But don't give up on it.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Fair points, but I disagree still. However, this is your thing and countdown and I want it to be a fun experience, not having people arguing and complaining because certain movies aren't higher on the list.
There are more, and some of my favorite movies are like this - I consider thriller not horror, but I understand people being the opposite. I used a couple examples to hammer home what I think my list will look like (the wife I gone this weekend, so I will work on the list more then). If you leave it to us to define on our own and submit our lists, I do know that Silence of the Lambs and a few others will not be on my list because of categorization. If you and the masses are fine with that, cool. Like somebody pointed out about the ones that are borderline - the list will take care of itself because some will have it some won't and it will probably be lower in the countdown.
As far as the bolded about Hannibal's escape, my memory is that you see him Evander Holyfield the dude, but the baton strikes aren't seen, and you see the body hanging in the background later. On screen violence is one thing I look at, but there are other things. I usually put detective type flicks in thrillers even if they have horrific scenes because typically they are seeing the violence after the fact. Like I said above, IMO Se7en is more of a horror than Silence because the images are worse and more consistent. I can't think of a better example for me that toes the line of horror the most, but I still personally don't think of it as horror.
I had these arguments a lot back in the video store days.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I would vote against TV. The medium is too different to make for fair apples-to-apples comparisons IMO.
As far as the other topic, Silence of the Lambs and Jaws are both on my list, along with a couple of similar films, some of which have been mentioned here too. I downgraded these because I don't think they fit the genre as well as, say The Exorcist, but I thought they deserved to be part of the discussion. I wouldn't lose a moment of sleep over it if a bunch of other people omitted those. This is just a fun little message board thing.
As far as the other topic, Silence of the Lambs and Jaws are both on my list, along with a couple of similar films, some of which have been mentioned here too. I downgraded these because I don't think they fit the genre as well as, say The Exorcist, but I thought they deserved to be part of the discussion. I wouldn't lose a moment of sleep over it if a bunch of other people omitted those. This is just a fun little message board thing.
WVU Alum
Footballguy
My take is that Aliens is sci-fi action where Alien is sci-fi horror. SotL is Thriller/procedural. Jaws is horror. Se7en is a Thriller/mystery.
TV miniseries are movies but can't hold a candle to the production of actual movies, except for modern TV. Some fantastic horror TV has been made in the last few years, but I don't think it fits this exercise.
TV miniseries are movies but can't hold a candle to the production of actual movies, except for modern TV. Some fantastic horror TV has been made in the last few years, but I don't think it fits this exercise.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Just so you guys don't think I'm letting everything in, I already vetoed Jurassic Park, Nightmare Before Christmas/Corpse Bride, and Ex-Machina.
Also for TV mini-series, there is one classic about a certain clown. One that was shown on TV in I think 4 episodes and the remake that was shown in theaters across two movies. Why should one be allowed but not the other? Especially when the original is arguably more iconic than the remake?
Also for SotL, you've got an ex-serial killer wearing another man's bloody face to escape prison, and another serial killer making body suits out of women's skin. Also cannibalism. Those elements are pretty clearly horror.
But if enough people feel strongly about any of these, I'll reconsider.
Also for TV mini-series, there is one classic about a certain clown. One that was shown on TV in I think 4 episodes and the remake that was shown in theaters across two movies. Why should one be allowed but not the other? Especially when the original is arguably more iconic than the remake?
Also for SotL, you've got an ex-serial killer wearing another man's bloody face to escape prison, and another serial killer making body suits out of women's skin. Also cannibalism. Those elements are pretty clearly horror.
But if enough people feel strongly about any of these, I'll reconsider.
Todem
Footballguy
Jaws is a classic and at the time highly disturbing and caused a worldwide panic on hunting sharks.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I know what you mean.
To take a more extreme example, it only occurred to me at the last minute that I had completely forgotten about American Psycho, which is a film I absolutely love. I mean, that's pretty obviously a horror movie. Patrick Bateman is a sociopathic serial killer, and the film features a large amount of gruesome and graphic violence, much of it directed toward helpless women. If you were managing a Blockbuster, where else would you put it besides the Horror aisle? You definitely don't a customer picking this movie up out of the Thriller aisle thinking that they were taking home something like Basic Instinct, for example. But I just mentally code this movie as "dark satire/social commentary" as opposed to horror. I don't know why that is, because lots of other horror movies have social commentary baked into their DNA too.
But I'm also one of those people who doesn't see Se7en as a horror film. I get why people do, and it's a great movie. It just doesn't seem to be in that lane to me. I feel like any attempt to explain why is just going to be an exercise in me backwards-engineering a made-up justification for what's really a gut feeling.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
There's this inhuman thing that wants to kill us all. The authorities are telling us that it's not real, but we know that it is, and a few brave people are trying to stop it.
Am I talking about Jaws, Dracula, or Invasion of the Body Snatchers? (Special Challenge Stage: describe the difference between Chief Brody and Dr. Loomis.)
I see how the dots are connected. I just would have never considered Jaws for this exercise. Might be because I was 3 yrs old when the movie was released so I didn't get the initial emotions of society when it first came out to understand the "horror" it conveyed.
It's one of my favorite movies of all time and a great thriller. Mentally I just don't jump to horror movie.
ETA: Although, I think it is a worthy addition in the broad category of horror even if I wouldn't have initially thought about putting it on a lits of horror movies.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think these are fun discussions to have. No worries.
Todem
Footballguy
So I was 5 and yes my parents took me to see it in the theater!! And I remember everything about that experience.
Seeing Alex Kitner get eaten by this Great White shark scared the living **** outta me as we lived in Surfside Miami Beach.
My mom never let me near the ocean for almost 2 years.
Todem
Footballguy
That is unreal.....this is going to be one hellvua discussion!!
wow. That is crazy. I would have expected at least 10 movies to be on all lists.
ETA: But that is because I probably can't think of 75 horror movies where the raters obviously have a much more extensive library to pull from.
Keith R
The Don
I'll let you do as you wish. I myself will not be submitting any TV miniseries. (I do distinguish those from direct-to-streaming movies such as Totally Killer but not direct-to-streaming miniseries such as Fear Street).
And FWIW, Totally Killer will not be on my list. I have it as Tier 3 horror - worth watching but not in the conversation for a Top 100 spot. Just needed an example.
And FWIW, Totally Killer will not be on my list. I have it as Tier 3 horror - worth watching but not in the conversation for a Top 100 spot. Just needed an example.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I'm on board with whatever you decide.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Just to clarify, I'm inclined to allow TV mini series, but NOT any TV series including limited series. No Haunting of Hill House or anything like that please.
The distinction for me here is that a mini series that is anywhere from 3-5 episodes is a bit like a really long movie showed over a few days. A series that is 8-10 episodes in length is different IMO. A thin line, but a distinct one.
For the record this has not been an issue at all in any list so far.
The distinction for me here is that a mini series that is anywhere from 3-5 episodes is a bit like a really long movie showed over a few days. A series that is 8-10 episodes in length is different IMO. A thin line, but a distinct one.
For the record this has not been an issue at all in any list so far.
The Gator
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
One of the things I'm looking forward to is seeing at least a few more-critical takes on movies that I've seen so many times that they've become (scary) comfort food for me. I have very strong feelings toward my top 15, and most of those apparently did not crack some top-75s. That kind of diversity of opinion should make for interesting discussions. (Edit: My top 15 has a small number of obvious outliers.)