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FFPC Best Ball Value Plays (1 Viewer)

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Just started best ball season and noticed the following players as some of my favorite values that will likely be on my rosters more often than not.  Feel free to share you FFPC value plays.  (this is standard FFPC, not superflex)

QB

 Zach Wilson #142.8

Jameis Winston #145.3

D. Jones #157

Trubisky #267

RB

Dobbins #44.3

Stevenson #115.5

Pierce #119.7

Allgeier #145.2

Sermon #204.8

D'Ernest Johnson #221

WR

Mooney #73.8

St. Brown #74.1

Bateman #77.9

G. Wilson #103.6

Toney #117.9

Lazard #125

Parker #169.1 

Pierce #176.7

C. Davis 189.2

Osborn 197.6

Beckham 199.6

TE

Kmet #115.1

Irv Smith #119.3

Henry #133.8

Njoku #148.9

Hurst #165.8

 
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I'm curious if you like him in CLE, or if you like him just in case he ends up on another roster where path to carries is more clear?

Good idea for a thread BTW.


I think he finds more touches this year one way or another.   I'm reading Kareem Hunt could be dealt.

 
I think he finds more touches this year one way or another.   I'm reading Kareem Hunt could be dealt.
Anything is possible, but it would make no sense for Hunt to be traded.  Only way is if someone gives a 2nd rounder or something, which isn't likely

 
Anything is possible, but it would make no sense for Hunt to be traded.  Only way is if someone gives a 2nd rounder or something, which isn't likely
This is in line with that I've read, that Hunt's value to the team exceeds what he'd get back in a trade.

I've also read, from more then one Browns beat writer, that if a RB were to be traded that RB would most likely be Johnson. Due to the above and Johnson wanting a bigger role.

But as to the discussion of value.

I actually think Hunt's one of the best values going at RB.  Johnson is not a bad stab and could end up as great value but IMO the difference in the two is Johnson needs a trade or injury to have value, I don't think Hunt does.

 
This is in line with that I've read, that Hunt's value to the team exceeds what he'd get back in a trade.

I've also read, from more then one Browns beat writer, that if a RB were to be traded that RB would most likely be Johnson. Due to the above and Johnson wanting a bigger role.

But as to the discussion of value.

I actually think Hunt's one of the best values going at RB.  Johnson is not a bad stab and could end up as great value but IMO the difference in the two is Johnson needs a trade or injury to have value, I don't think Hunt does.
The other major difference is adp, Johnson is basically free

 
I don't have ADPs, but here are a few I like. 

Cousins - he seems to be going as a high end qb 2 and I see his floor as qb10ish. 

Mills - going to have a lot of chances to throw and he is one of the last starting qbs off the board. 

Mattison - Cook misses time every year, so I think they use Mattison more this year. If not you get a lotto ticket of a top 5ish back in round 10 to 12. 

Pollard - same as above, but costs you a couple rounds earlier. 

Boyd - has a chance to put wr 3 numbers at wr 5 prices. Could be even higher if any of the skill players (Higgins, Chase, or Mixon) gets hurt or the Bengals turn it over completely to Burrow and he throws 40 times a game. 

Patrick - same as Boyd, but even cheaper. 

Kirk - I don't think he is a great player, but I expect the Jags offensive to be much better and he will get a ton of targets. 

Brevin Jordan - The Texans are going to be bad, they don't have a ton of weapons and tight end is bad. He is almost free. 

I agree with a lot of guys in the OP. 

 
Just started best ball season and noticed the following players as some of my favorite values that will likely be on my rosters more often than not.  Feel free to share you FFPC value plays.  (this is standard FFPC, not superflex)

QB

 Zach Wilson #142.8

Jameis Winston #145.3

D. Jones #157

Trubisky #267

RB

Dobbins #44.3

Stevenson #115.5

Pierce #119.7

Allgeier #145.2

Sermon #204.8

D'Ernest Johnson #221

WR

Mooney #73.8

St. Brown #74.1

Bateman #77.9

G. Wilson #103.6

Toney #117.9

Lazard #125

Parker #169.1 

Pierce #176.7

C. Davis 189.2

Osborn 197.6

Beckham 199.6

TE

Kmet #115.1

Irv Smith #119.3

Henry #133.8

Njoku #148.9

Hurst #165.8
i'm literally over 250 drafts deep on underdog in a few of their contests. that train has gone off the track for me.

you got quite a few on there i have been, few i've been skipping.

i got a bunch, but so much still speculation

RB:

Gainwell

Hines

D'Onta Foreman

Matt Breida

WR:

MVS

Toney

Claypool

Golladay

David Bell

KJ Hamler

TE:

Logan Thomas

Evan Engram

Ricky Seals-Jones (barely on the map)

 
FIELDS/LANCE/WINSTON

EDMONDS/M SANDERS/HENDERSON

EVANS/METCALF/CLAYPOOL/DOUBS

EVERETT/HURST/RSJ
love seeing someone else with RSJ love

Metcalf has me so confused. Love him, but real nervous with what comes out of that offense. could be like 3-4 TDs for the year for Metcalf

 
RB:

Gainwell

Hines

D'Onta Foreman

Matt Breida


I think Gainwell and Foreman are the two that I like here.  Breida and Hines I see as low ceiling low floor.

WR:

MVS

Toney

Claypool

Golladay

David Bell

KJ Hamler


I'm not a Bell guy or MVS guy, but am on board with the rest...was burnt pretty badly by Golladay last year so lukewarm on him.

TE:

Logan Thomas

Evan Engram

Ricky Seals-Jones (barely on the map)


Not targeting or avoiding these guys as the ADP seems about right.  Engram a tad intriguing with new surroundings.

 
love seeing someone else with RSJ love

Metcalf has me so confused. Love him, but real nervous with what comes out of that offense. could be like 3-4 TDs for the year for Metcalf


DK is an avoid for me...maybe they get Baker, maybe they don't...but losing Russ is a really big deal.   I have him as one of the most overvalued WRs currently.

 
love seeing someone else with RSJ love

Metcalf has me so confused. Love him, but real nervous with what comes out of that offense. could be like 3-4 TDs for the year for Metcalf


DK is an avoid for me...maybe they get Baker, maybe they don't...but losing Russ is a really big deal.   I have him as one of the most overvalued WRs currently.
Lock or Geno Smith is going to target him heavier than Russ did. I don't disagree it is a huge downgrade at QB but I think he eats and he is definitely cheaper than ever before. You can get him in the late 4th even early 5th occasionally. Don't get me wrong there is risk there but I do consider him one of the few values in the higher rounds. I'd put Barkley there too.

 
So I had some time and went through all the players after round 4 to decide which I liked best for value for FFPC best ball. This isn't to say I don't like guys like A.J. Dillon or Terry McLaurin, but I don't like where they are going.

QB - I am going to go deeper sleepers here. My strategy has been take one of the top 10ish guys and then pair them with the guys I am going to mention.

Zach Wilson - This is where I am going to start with the value qbs. All the other guys I like are before round 10 and it feels too early. Wilson should have a good line, a decent running game and lots of pass catchers. 

Daniel Jones - If I remember correctly in Jones's rookie year he had 4 weeks where he finished as overall qb2 or higher. That is what we are looking for in best ball, he has receivers, and a good running back (if he can stay healthy). We have to hope that the moves made with the line are an improvement and he adjusts to a new system quickly. 

Jared Goff - I like what the Lions are trying to build, but they aren't there yet. This should be a bad team with lots of garbage time stats to be had, plus the Lions didn't bring anyone in to compete with him so he will have a long leash.

Davis Mills - A lot like Goff, but a higher ceiling because we just don't know how good he is. If he was in this years draft he most likely would have been the first qb taken. 

RB

Tony Pollard - Could be a top 10 back if Zeke gets hurt or just stinks, plus he has some stand alone value. I really think Dallas tries to keep Zeke fresh because they are thinking about a deep playoff run.

Devin Singletary - I am going to admit my bias here, I loved him since he was a rookie and was taking him in all my dynasty drafts. I believe that the way he finished last year, plus the fact that Buffalo only tried to bring in pass catching backs to the mix (McKissic, then Cook) says they trust Singletary to be the guy on running downs. He is great for best ball and could have upside as a pass catcher if Cook struggles as rookies do sometimes.

Rhamondre Stevenson - We can't trust the Patriot backfield, but this is best ball so we don't have to. I still think they will be a run heavy team that uses multiple backs and Harris doesn't seem to ever stay healthy.

Alexander Mattison - Same as Pollard, but going 4 rounds later. Might be my highest owned player in best ball this year.

Dameon Pierce - I don't know a lot about the rookies coming in because my dynasty days are over, but he doesn't have a lot of competition and this is a cheap lotto ticket.

Darrell Henderson - This is the same as last year, he is the main handcuff for a very good offense.

Kenneth Gainwell - I prefer him to Sanders because of 7 round discount and Sanders not staying healthy. 

Jamal Williams - The Lions want to run the ball and Swift doesn't seem like a guy that can handle being a workhorse. Plus this is PPR and Goff likes to check down and Williams is a good pass catcher.

Sony Michel - He looked good last year for the Rams in spots. I am not sold on any of the Miami rbs, but this is a cheap gamble.

D'Ernest Johnson - He played really last year when Hunt and Chubb were sidelined. Maybe he gets traded.

Matt Breida - He looked good late last year for the Bills and now is the main handcuff for a guy that can't stay healthy.

Jeff Wilson - Things you can count on: death, taxes and 49er running backs getting hurt. Which means for a few games Wilson will be the guy and he usually delivers in those spots.

WR

D.J. Moore - Love his talent, there are still rumors that the Panthers are trying to get Jimmy G. or Baker. With a little luck Moore could be a top 12 receiver this year. He has a consistent floor and also provides big upside that you love in the bestball format. His qb play is why you can get him in the 5th round.

Amari Cooper - He might be my favorite of this group and the only stopping his ADP from rising is the unknown that is Watson. He is far and away the best pass catcher on this team and should be forced targets. In best ball I don't see the downside here, if Watson is suspended for the year Cooper is almost unstartable, but this is best ball so you don't have to time his big games and he will have quite a few of them even with bad qb play.

Chris Godwin - He is going to shoot up all the way into round 2 if he is healthy and ready for week 1. Even if he is on pup for the first 6 weeks of the year round 5 feels way to late for what he will provide you when he does come back. He isn't just a wr1 he could be the number 1 overall wr if things break the right way.

Mike Williams - Is this the year he takes over as the number from Allen? He sure looked like it last year for the first 5ish weeks, before he crashed and burned. I expect him to take another step in unseating Allen as the number 1 in this offense. I think this year he is 1A to Allen.

Courtland Sutton - I am not sold on Jeudy yet, injuries, legal troubles and I think Sutton fits Wilson's style better than Jeudy.

Allen Robinson - I don't love Robinson for regular leagues. I think he is going to be up and down all year like Woods was last year, but in best ball there are going to be weeks where teams really try to limit Kupp and Robinson goes off.

Juju Smith-Schuster - Very similar to Robinson, the Chiefs have too many weapons on offense to think Juju will be consistent all year. 

Darnell Mooney - Volume, volume, volume. I expect Fields to be better this year and this is his only real pass catching threat. Think of Pittman in Indy last season

Brandin Cooks - Same as Mooney, but on a worse team, without a decent running back or a running qb. If you get 2 or even 3 of these guys between Moore and Cooks I think you have done a really nice job for best ball.

Christian Kirk - Meyer and his toxic environment are gone and I think that helps the team, but they are still going to be a bad team that has to throw. Kirk is the top target for this team and should be PPR gold.

Allen Lazard - Rookie receivers just don't hit the ground running with Aaron Rodgers and it doesn't matter how good they are. Off the top on my head Lazard was a top 10ish wr for the last 5 games of the year last. He has earned Rodgers trust and if he can stay healthy we will be rewarded with lots of fantasy points.

Russell Gage - He really turned it on at the end of the year last year when Ridely took time off. I strongly recommend grabbing Gage if you have Godwin. Plus there could be games where both are starters in best ball.

Tyler Boyd - He is going to give you very erratic wr3 numbers in the 12th round. If there are any injuries to players at the other skill positions on his team he could give you those numbers more consistently.

Rondale Moore - No Hopkins for the first 6 weeks. I expect him to be a cheap version of Deebo. He will not get you the touchdowns that Deebo did, but maybe 60ish percent of the yardage production.

Mecole Hardman - This is the biggest boom or bust. He could be a complete waste of a pick or he could be Hill light. 

Tim Patrick - The guy doesn't drop passes... ever. If any of the pass catchers in Denver get hurt he could be in for a major increase in targets. In a good offense, with a great qb, in what should be a high scoring division. 

Jamison Crowder - The slot guy for Josh Allen is going to have some big games. If Crowder can earn that role he is going to have some nice games when teams try to take away Diggs and Davis.

Corey Davis - Wilson loved Davis last year. Will that continue with Moore getting better and the addition of Wilson? I am willing to find out for a round 20ish pick.

Van Jefferson - He could be an injury away from being a starter in a high powered offense across from another wr who will be getting all the attention. Even if everyone stays healthy he is still a deep ball threat that can give you some weeks as a flex when he does catch a long td.

Odell Beckham Jr - I hope he doesn't go back to the Rams, it is too crowded. I am willing to gamble on him this late and hope he ends up with wr needy team.

K.J. Osborn - Same as Van Jefferson above, but he has an aging wr in front of him that has trouble staying healthy.

Donovan Peoples-Jones - If Watson plays he could be the Will Fuller of this team and going well after round 20 is way too cheap for a guy like that.

Marvin Jones - Feels too late for a guy that should be able to get 600+ yards. 

Sterling Sheppard - He is Jones safety blanket. When healthy you could pencil him in for 6 for 60 every week.

Bryan Edwards - Now that is in Atlanta he has a chance to be the number 2 guy after Pitts. 

Nick Westbrook-Ikhine - If Burks struggles as a rookie and Woods isn't ready he could be the wr1 for the Titans and you get him with your last pick. 

TE

Mike Gesicki - He is perfect for best ball because his floor is so low, like he could get you 0 points low. Teams are going to have to account for Hill and Waddle at all times and that should leave Gesicki open for some big games.

Rob Gronkowski - I think he comes back, he just doesn't want to go through all the off-season crap. So you are getting a top 10 tight end in tight end premium in the 10thish round. 

Cole Kmet - Almost all the tight ends that finish top 5 for fantasy are top 2 in targets on their team. After Mooney I don't see a lot in his way.

Hunter Henry - He is going to have bad weeks and top 5 tight end weeks. It is best ball so you don't have to pick, just pair him with a high floor guy.

David Njoku - Look above at what I said about Kmet and this applies to Njoku. Plus the few times that tight ends did finish top 5 without being a top 2 target getter on their team it was with an elite QB. Which Watson is.

Austin Hooper - He could be good just because there isn't much for the Titans to throw too. Henry can't run it 35 times a game.

Brevin Jordan - He showed flashes last season and like Kmet and Njoku there isn't much in his way after Cooks. Add in lots of garbage time and a QB that could be getting better and there is a lot to like about Jordan as your 3rd tight end in round 18 or so.

Mo Allie-Cox - Ryan likes throwing to the tight end and after Pittman there are a lot of unknowns for INDY. He has shown us some big games before.

Cameron Brate - Insurance policy incase Gronk doesn't play or gets hurt. He is still a huge redzone target in a great offense.     

 
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Not FFPC, but in general I'm currently targetting:

Watson
Winston
Mac Jones

Hines/McKissic (PPR)
Jamaal Williams
Mark Ingram
Breida

DJ Moore
Cooks
Landry
Crowder
Tolbert/J Washington
R Anderson
Doubs/Velus Jones
Westbrook-Ikhine

Hockenson
Gesicki
Kmet
Everett

Fading:

QBs before round 7 unless I specifically go for a stack

Zeke
Gibson

Majority of 2nd/3rd/4th round WRs
JuJu
Renfrow
Everyone coming off a late ACL

Kelce/Andrews/Knox/Freiermuth (too expensive/TD rate regression)

 
My answer to everything this year is Trevor Lawrence.

Upgraded talent and a competent coach. I've seen people comment questioning if he's a franchise QB. I not only think he's that but a high end one at that. Possibly as soon as this year. 

They've still got improving to do but Kirk and Engram are huge upgrades from what they had last year. Felt like an expansion team with them trotting out Treadwell and Tavon Austin.

 
Not FFPC, but in general I'm currently targetting:
Mac Jones
You must be the only one based on the analysis I've read all offseason. Don't know if you've heard but from what I've read Bill is going to call all of the offensive plays this year using a magic 8 ball on the sidelines because you know, he rarely has his head in the game. You see, he's a defensive minded guy so he has no clue how NFL offenses work. At least that seems to be the gist of everything I read.

 
Starting to come around on Gibson now that he is falling into the 6th round a lot.

Mike Williams has climbed in ADP (Underdog) from 37 to 31 which is a huge change for no news. Still not really drafting him.

Darrel Williams moved into the land of the living from the occasional last round pick. Definitely made my list of late round RB targets.

Aaron Jones and Kelce moved up 2 and 1 spot respectively, not going to get a lot of play, but changes like these in the first couple of rounds are significant.

Other risers - Marqise Brown, J Tolbert, Sutton, Hines, Fournette, Herbert

Fallers - Gibson, Akers, Lamar, Mixon (Kelce swap), Dobbins, Mostert, Godwin, J Allen

No longer targetting Watson, because morals, looking at Fields more. Not much else changing tactically, still hammering out a few drafts per day between UD and DK

 
I haven't done an FFPC BB tourney draft yet. I did several of the Never Too Early tourney that was before the NFL draft. But I have been doing a bunch of Underdog BBs (which is a very different format), and Gibson has gone as late as the late 6th. I got him at 6.07 the other day.  I saw someone else get him at 6.10 last night. Maybe I should jump in a couple FFPCs but dang that hate is too much. 

 
I haven't done an FFPC BB tourney draft yet. I did several of the Never Too Early tourney that was before the NFL draft. But I have been doing a bunch of Underdog BBs (which is a very different format), and


Gibson


has gone as late as the late 6th. I got him at 6.07 the other day.  I saw someone else get him at 6.10 last night. Maybe I should jump in a couple FFPCs but dang that hate is too much. 
I'm doing my first two FFPC BB's now.  Gibson went at 4.01 and 5.04

 
Gronk (Have to place him at the top. I just find it completely insane the TE he's going behind right now. FantasyPros best ball rankings look like they've "bumped him up" to TE15. He was TE3 I believe on a per game basis last year. I just watched a Brady owner pass on the Brady-Gronk stack......for FN Cole Kmet :lmao:  . I mean have a blast with Kmet being a part of Fields's 150 yard pass games his 10 pass TD's he throws for the year). Gronk could announce his retirement tomorrow and would still take him and the chances he unretires over Cole FN Kmet.

Melvin Gordon (Still plenty in tank on a run heavy team. Standalone value. An injury to Williams and he's an RB1 IMO)

Rashaad Penny (JMO People are already anointing Walker based on draft. If that were the case Penny was drafted higher and coming off season where he carried the offense on his back)

CEH (Ronald's a zero in pass game and Chiefs aren't going to suddenly go to a run heavy team)

Hollywood (In for a huge season IMO. FP has him ranked WR24 for best ball. I think that's on low end. Very easily could see him as a WR1/high WR2 in this format for at least the first 6 weeks. And Hop was hardly dominate last year (his loss was HUGE no question just for the attention he attracts).

Mike Williams (looks like he's creeped up but FP has him ranked WR20. Also think this is low.). Also wouldn't be surprised with a WR1 finish here. 

 
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July update: Pretty happy with my June targets and fades.

Been expanding my QB range to get increase exposure to Hurts and Lance. Other QB targets/fades remain.

K. Herbert has been added to a target. I like both him and Jamaal as very cheap options with no ambiguity in their roles. Mid range targets have been Penny, Gordon, Edmonds

Robbie Anderson has me a bit concerned about his mental well being after his retirement talk. Shifted over to Marvin Jones, with Curtis Samuel being my final WR in the tier above "cloud of dart throws." 7th round Nuk has been one of my staples, Thielen has also probably been added to the target list.

Went on a small Gronk tear right before he retired :homer: Still loving the later picks here. Pitts has been the one early guy I've come around on just because I find the WR/RB options so bad in the late 3rd.

So far on DK I'm 98/150 in the $5 milly tourney and 13/20 in the small $3 one. Won't be entering much more here until August.
At UD, I did 144 of the Puppy, 38 SuperFlex, and 18 BBM3 entries so far. Hoping for another Puppy in July, otherwise will just do one or two BBM per week.

 
Waist deep in Puppy 2, it's half filled already.

The swath of 9th-10th round RBs seems to have shifted higher by a half round or so. New target in the 10th is Tim Patrick, and I'm avoiding Jeudy.

I was ok with DJ Moore in the early 4th, but early 3rd is too pricey for me. Baker isn't that much of an upgrade.

David Montgomery seems very mispriced in the 5th round, he's part of my game plan with early picks. The 3/4 turn seems desolate, and the 4/5 is a trove of riches for me.

I'm becoming a little partial towards Derrick Henry, had been avoiding him, but his splash scores are out of this world.

Cedrick Wilson has been added as a 17th/18th round target, and J Washington/V Jones/Doubs have been relegated to stack options only.

Stopped drafting Breida, switching off between McKinnon/Foreman/Zamir/K Drake are my favored desperation RB plays.

 
I've been doing some FFPC best ball drafts.  Both superflex and regular (but with no PK/DEF).

I have Josh Jacobs in a few.  I just think that offense is going to hum and if he can stay healthy, will be a nice low-end RB1.  In the cases where I DON'T have him, I've grabbed BOTH Drake and Zamir White quite late... as one of those guys could potentially see some action, especially if Jacobs DOES miss time.

I have Mecole Hardman in a few as well.  I like JuJu just fine and dandy but Hardman is the "closest thing" to Tyreek Hill on the roster.  Where I've been getting him seems to be a huge value.

In my superflexes, I've grabbed Jared Goff as my QB2.  Upgrades at WR, another year under the belt and feels kinda like a make-or-break type of season with all the QBs that'll be available in the '23 draft.

Got Marlon Mack in a few.  While I like Dameon Pierce a lot, too, I just see the team leaning on Mack... especially early in the season.  If he flops or the team is just complete garbage (very possible), maybe they turn to Pierce... but at the spot I'm getting Mack, he is a value.

Been taking Marvin Jones as well.  That offense is going to be better.... Lawrence is going to be better... and will likely rely on Jones as the veteran.  Both to move the chains and in the red zone.  Feels like a guy that could put up WR2 numbers but you're getting him in the range where WR5's are going.  

 
wanted to jump in here to give a quick shout out to the underdog exposure explorer in FBG articles. i stumbled on it, and not sure it can work with FPPC, but man that tool is fun to look at and some funny results. It look like i'll be buying a Kadarius Toney jersey if the dude has a great year with my "weighted leverage" at +10,199  :lmao:

 
wanted to jump in here to give a quick shout out to the underdog exposure explorer in FBG articles. i stumbled on it, and not sure it can work with FPPC, but man that tool is fun to look at and some funny results. It look like i'll be buying a Kadarius Toney jersey if the dude has a great year with my "weighted leverage" at +10,199 :lmao:
fantasymojo.com has several roster tools for FFPC leagues, including the BB Tourney. It is behind a paywall but worth it.
 
Just started best ball season and noticed the following players as some of my favorite values that will likely be on my rosters more often than not. Feel free to share you FFPC value plays. (this is standard FFPC, not superflex)

QB

Zach Wilson #142.8

Jameis Winston #145.3

D. Jones #157

Trubisky #267

RB

Dobbins #44.3

Stevenson #115.5

Pierce #119.7

Allgeier #145.2

Sermon #204.8

D'Ernest Johnson #221

WR

Mooney #73.8

St. Brown #74.1

Bateman #77.9

G. Wilson #103.6

Toney #117.9

Lazard #125

Parker #169.1

Pierce #176.7

C. Davis 189.2

Osborn 197.6

Beckham 199.6

TE

Kmet #115.1

Irv Smith #119.3

Henry #133.8

Njoku #148.9

Hurst #165.8
so how did your teams do? i have 3 in 3 different tournaments in for the final game. 1 of them is in the best ball mania tournament with on UNderdog with 2 million 1st prize. but team def. has some holes:


QBs: Hurts, Cousins

RBs:
Chase Edmonds
Devin Singeltary
Tyler Allgier
Eno Benjamin
Kenyan Drake

WRs:
Justin Jefferson
Tyreek Hill
AJ Brown
Brandin Cooks
DeAndre Hopkins
George Pickens
Michael Gallup
Quez Watkins

TE:
David Njoku
Tyler Higbee
Logan Thomas


my RBs are laughable, and i never would have thought this would have been the team to make it through. need quite a bit of luck to beat out the other 460, but if those 3 WRs blow up like they do i think there is a chance. fingers crossed Hurts plays too
 

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