FFX Expert League Draft Results - Non PPR 6pt Pass/Rush/Rec TD (1 Viewer)

[ericthemidget]

Lot's of notable names in this draft. Its a REAL league.

Couple of FootballGuys Staffers in here.

Here's the lineup of participants.

Line-Up & Rules

Line-Up: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1Flex (rb/wr), 1TE, 1K, 1Def

Scoring: 1pt per 10ru/receiving, 1pt per 20pass, 6pts for all TDs, NO PPR

(Note that there was some trading of picks, hence the odd positioning of teams)

Round One

1.01 1. FantasyFootballXtreme.com Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB

1.02 2. FBG - (Chris Smith) Jackson, Steven STL RB

1.03 3. FantasySharks.com Johnson, Larry KCC RB

1.04 4. CBSSportsline.com (Eisenberg) Manning, Peyton IND QB

1.05 5. FFMastermind.com Alexander, Shaun SEA RB

1.06 6. FantasyInsights.com Gore, Frank SFO RB

1.07 7. FantasyTailgate.com Bush, Reggie NO, RB

1.08 8. DraftSharks Johnson, Rudi CIN, RB

1.09 9. FootballGuys.com (Gray) Henry, Travis DEN RB

1.10 10. FFToday.com Addai, Joseph IND RB

1.11 11. FFMastermind.com Parker, Willie PIT RB

1.12 12. FFToolbox.com Westbrook, Brian PHI RB

Round Two

2.01 13. FFToolbox.com Maroney, Laurence NEP RB

2.02 14. MonsterDraft.com Smith, Steve CAR, WR

2.03 15. FFToday.com Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB

2.04 16. FootballGuys.com (Gray) McGahee, Willis BAL RB

2.05 17. DraftSharks.com Portis, Clinton WAS RB

2.06 18. FantasyTailgate.com Harrison, Marvin IND WR

2.07 19. FantasyFootballXtreme.com Brown, Ronnie MIA RB

2.08 20. MonsterDraft.com Owens, Terrell DAL WR

2.09 21. CBSSportsline.com (Eisenberg) Johnson, Chad CIN WR

2.10 22. FantasySharks.com Benson, Cedric CHI RB

2.11 23. FBG - (Chris Smith) Gates, Antonio SDC TE

2.12 24. FantasyInsights.com (Van Prooyen) Jones, Thomas NYJ RB

Draft Grid colorized by position is here

 

[VICK-tory]

I saw this at Draft sharks, you have a typo it was D-sharks picking Rudi at 1.8,

yeah lots of trades it was nutz.

 

[Fighting Noles]

Yeah - Smitty @ FFExtreme had one pick (8th rder) between the 5th & 14th rds. due to trades. CRAZY!!!

 

[Chris Smith]

This was one of the more interesting early drafts I have been a part of. It would be worth your time to check it out and get an early read on where players are going at this point in the preseason... Both myself and Clayton are involved with this league...

Many trades including some real head scratchers.

I myself only made one minor deal to move up and select Muhsin Muhammad (I did say it was minor), and overall I am pleased with my squad.

This is a real league so we'll see at the end of the season how well the different strategies panned out.

 

[FantasyFootballXtreme]

Yea, this was a crazy draft and we traded a ton. We are very pleased with our line up. We are taking a huge risk at our WR3 spot, but we don't mind given the talent we have.

Starters

Palmer, Carson CIN QB - 5

Tomlinson, Ladainian / Michael Turner SDC RB - 7

Brown, Ronnie MIA RB - 9

Jackson, Brandon GBP RB - 7

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR - 9

Moss, Santana WAS WR - 4

Perry, Tab/Amani Toomer CIN WR - 5

Johnson, Eric NOS TE - 4

Tynes, Lawrence NYG PK - 9

Bengals, Cincinnati CIN Def - 5

The rest of the rosters:

http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/...=65272&O=07

 

[Dirty Weasel]

This is my favorite team from that draft...

FFMastermind.com

QB - Tom Brady, Brett Favre

RB - Shaun Alexander, Willie Parker, DeAngelo Williams, Adrian Peterson (CHI), Ron Dayne, Brian Leonard, Tony Hunt

WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh, Darrell Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Isaac Bruce, Eddie Kennison, Brandon Marshall

TE - Heath Miller

K - Jeff Wilkins

D - Ravens

 

[FantasyFootballXtreme]

This is my favorite team from that draft...

FFMastermind.com

QB - Tom Brady, Brett Favre

RB - Shaun Alexander, Willie Parker, DeAngelo Williams, Adrian Peterson (CHI), Ron Dayne, Brian Leonard, Tony Hunt

WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh, Darrell Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Isaac Bruce, Eddie Kennison, Brandon Marshall

TE - Heath Miller

K - Jeff Wilkins

D - Ravens

That is a good squad for sure! There are a lot of great teams in this league, it should be a tough one.

 

[Fighting Noles]

This is my favorite team from that draft...

FFMastermind.com

QB - Tom Brady, Brett Favre

RB - Shaun Alexander, Willie Parker, DeAngelo Williams, Adrian Peterson (CHI), Ron Dayne, Brian Leonard, Tony Hunt

WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh, Darrell Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Isaac Bruce, Eddie Kennison, Brandon Marshall

TE - Heath Miller

K - Jeff Wilkins

D - Ravens

I totally agree DW....

 

[D-BO]

This is my favorite team from that draft...

FFMastermind.com

QB - Tom Brady, Brett Favre

RB - Shaun Alexander, Willie Parker, DeAngelo Williams, Adrian Peterson (CHI), Ron Dayne, Brian Leonard, Tony Hunt

WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh, Darrell Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Isaac Bruce, Eddie Kennison, Brandon Marshall

TE - Heath Miller

K - Jeff Wilkins

D - Ravens

I totally agree DW....

 

[ImTheScientist]

FFToday.com

Rivers, Philip SDC QB - 7

Schaub, Matt HOU QB - 10

Addai, Joseph IND RB - 6

Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB - 9

Brown, Chris TEN RB - 4

Dorsey, DeDe IND RB - 6

Jones, Kevin DET RB - 6

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB - 4

Clayton, Mark BAL WR - 8

Clayton, Michael TBB WR - 10

Curtis, Kevin PHI WR - 5

Driver, Donald GBP WR - 7

Walker, Javon DEN WR - 6

Scaife, Bo TEN TE - 4

Winslow, Kellen CLE TE - 7

Nedney, Joe SFO PK - 6

Stover, Matt BAL PK - 8

Jets, New York NYJ Def - 10

By far the worst team

 

[smackdaddies]

nobody's complained about Eisenberg yet? (manning/Chad Johnson 1/2). I had that combo last year 1/2 in one of my leagues. Ended up 5th of 12.

even in a non PPR league, 1.4 seems early for Peyton

 

[JayMan]

Smith... starting 3WRs... and possibly a 4th with flex...

Aren't you a bit afraid of your crew: Ward, Cotchery, Muhammad, Jennings, Williamson, Wade

I understand that you didn't have any WR picked early... going with SJax, Gates, Edge, Green before picking Ward and Cotchery in the 5th/6th...

Just asking... cause my projections (with that scoring system) gives: Ward (WR16), Cotchery (WR21), Jennings, (WR36), Muhammad (WR37), Williamson (WR52), Wade (WR71)... anyone in that list you think is undervalued and will be a week-in /week-out starter as WR3? Or, will you rely on Young, SJax, Edge, Green, Gates to carry your team and hope for some value plays from your WRs?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Wow, isn't 1.7 a tad high to take Bush in a non-PPR?

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I'm surprised Travis Henry is going so early in some of the mocks I've been seeing.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Wow, isn't 1.7 a tad high to take Bush in a non-PPR?

no

 

[ShadowMaster]

Lots of picks here that make me scratch my head

manning at 1.4

Bush went WAY too high for a non ppr league

Henry went before alot of more proven options - very risky for a 1st round pick.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Wow, isn't 1.7 a tad high to take Bush in a non-PPR?

no

You're right, it isn't a tad high, it was almost one full round too high. I was trying to be nice though.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.

It may have been early, but I have him at #5 overall and didn't want to miss out on him. I considered trading down but didn't want to risk it as I've seen him go in the middle of round one.

Anyway, here is my entire roster:

QB Jay Cutler

QB Ben Roethlisberger

QB Michael Vick

QB Rex Grossman

RB Travis Henry

RB Willis McGahee

RB Warrick Dunn

RB Jerious Norwood

RB Mike Bell

WR Reggie Wayne

WR Randy Moss

WR D.J. Hackett

WR Santonio Holmes

WR Derrick Mason

TE Jeremy Shockey

PK Stephen Gostkowski

DT Miami Dolphins

DT Denver Broncos

 

[John Mamula]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.It may have been early, but I have him at #5 overall and didn't want to miss out on him. I considered trading down but didn't want to risk it as I've seen him go in the middle of round one.Anyway, here is my entire roster:QB Jay CutlerQB Ben RoethlisbergerQB Michael VickQB Rex GrossmanRB Travis HenryRB Willis McGaheeRB Warrick DunnRB Jerious NorwoodRB Mike BellWR Reggie WayneWR Randy MossWR D.J. HackettWR Santonio HolmesWR Derrick MasonTE Jeremy ShockeyPK Stephen GostkowskiDT Miami DolphinsDT Denver Broncos

i love most of your draft but hate your first two picks. i think you would be much better off grabbing addai, parker, westbrook, or MJD with your two picks.unless you see henry going for more than 1400 rushing yards or 100 receiving yards i don't see how you see him top 5 unless you have him going for some crazy amount of TDs. As a team I think Denver is in the mid teens for TDs with Henry getting 2/3 of them.the norwood/dunn combo is nice for the flex and I LOVE DJ Hackett this year for where he is going.overall very nice, but obviously we have the late first/ early 2nd RBs ranked very differently.ps: big ben = money too.

 

[John Mamula]

gates at 2.11 may be the worst pick in the draft. with the 2 rb / 3 wr /1 flex you have to hammer RBs and WRs early and often given the depth issues of bye weeks and potential injuries every team experiences. likely rb4s and wr4s will see 1/4 of the season.

waiting until round 3 to get your first WR or your 2nd RB and then going from there puts you at a huge disadvantage.

in before the first vbd comment.

 

[greyone]

CHRIS SMITH, why did you take Ant Gates in the second? Please explain.

Its a great draft. Reviewing the rosters is a MUST, Just looking at the draft alone doesn't do the teams justice. My league uses the exact roster and 6td scoring format(key reason why qbs were off the board earlier than the norm).

8-9 teams look strong enough to compete all year long. The other 3-4 teams have a slim fighting chance and need s little luck just to keep up. Its lined up to be very interesting. Especially with all the trade happy teams.

Is there anyway to get a run down of all the trades?

 

[John Mamula]

FFToday.com

Rivers, Philip SDC QB - 7

Schaub, Matt HOU QB - 10

Addai, Joseph IND RB - 6

Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB - 9

Brown, Chris TEN RB - 4

Dorsey, DeDe IND RB - 6

Jones, Kevin DET RB - 6

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB - 4

Clayton, Mark BAL WR - 8

Clayton, Michael TBB WR - 10

Curtis, Kevin PHI WR - 5

Driver, Donald GBP WR - 7

Walker, Javon DEN WR - 6

Scaife, Bo TEN TE - 4

Winslow, Kellen CLE TE - 7

Nedney, Joe SFO PK - 6

Stover, Matt BAL PK - 8

Jets, New York NYJ Def - 10

By far the worst team

i don't like his QBs as much but this is actually one of my favorites. great WR depth and really like his RBs too. he did the best with what was there in the 1/2 rounds and got a corps of WRs who don't blow your socks off but as a group will be very productive. i'll take driver, walker, and mark clayton as my 3 WRs any day with KJones or the other clayton mixing it up in the flex. add in the upside for chris brown at TEN this is a team where the sum is greater than the whole of its parts.

if their biggest issue is grabbing another QB off the waiver wire they did ok imo.

 

[Clayton Gray]

i love most of your draft but hate your first two picks. i think you would be much better off grabbing addai, parker, westbrook, or MJD with your two picks.unless you see henry going for more than 1400 rushing yards or 100 receiving yards i don't see how you see him top 5 unless you have him going for some crazy amount of TDs. As a team I think Denver is in the mid teens for TDs with Henry getting 2/3 of them.overall very nice, but obviously we have the late first/ early 2nd RBs ranked very differently.

Yes those two guys will tilt me either way. I think Henry and McGahee each have potential to get a ton of TDs while having relatively low floors. Yes, Parker and Jones-Drew scored often last season, but TD scoring can be very inconsistent from year to year. I'd rather go for this year's big producers rather than chase last year's.

 

[Clayton Gray]

Is there anyway to get a run down of all the trades?

* FBG - (Chris Smith) gave up Pick 12.11;Pick 13.02;Pick 17.02 * FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 11.09;Pick 14.04;Pick 17.09 * FFMastermind.com gave up Pick 9.01;Pick 12.07 * DraftSharks.com gave up Pick 9.08;Pick 10.05 * FFMastermind.com gave up Moss, Santana WAS WR; Pick 8.08 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR; Pick 12.07 * FFToolbox.com gave up Pick 6.02;Pick 12.01;Pick 13.12 * FFMastermind.com gave up Pick 6.07;Pick 10.08;Pick 12.08 * FantasyInsights.com (Van Prooyen) gave up Pick 6.02;Pick 10.07 * FFToolbox.com gave up Pick 5.12;Pick 11.12 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 7.01;Pick 7.06 * FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 5.09;Pick 18.04 * FFMastermind.com gave up Pick 4.12;Pick 7.06;Pick 17.05;Pick 18.08 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 5.11;Pick 6.04;Pick 11.06;Pick 13.06 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 8.07;Pick 10.07 * FantasyInsights.com (Van Prooyen) gave up Pick 7.01;Pick 18.12 * FFMastermind.com gave up Pick 6.02;Pick 7.05 * FantasyInsights.com (Van Prooyen) gave up Pick 4.12;Pick 9.01 * FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 6.04;Pick 15.09;Pick 16.04 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 9.05;Pick 9.06;Pick 9.11 * FFToolbox.com gave up Pick 3.12;Pick 4.01;Pick 10.01 * FFToday.com gave up Pick 3.10;Pick 4.03;Pick 10.03 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 4.07;Pick 5.06 * MonsterDraft.com gave up Pick 3.05;Pick 9.11 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 6.07;Pick 7.06 * FFMastermind.com gave up Pick 5.11;Pick 9.05 * FFMastermind.com gave up Pick 2.08;Pick 3.05;Pick 4.08;Pick 6.08 * MonsterDraft.com gave up Pick 1.11;Pick 3.11;Pick 5.11;Pick 6.02 * FantasyInsights.com (Van Prooyen) gave up Pick 1.01;Pick 5.01 * FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 1.06;Pick 3.06

 

[John Mamula]

i love most of your draft but hate your first two picks. i think you would be much better off grabbing addai, parker, westbrook, or MJD with your two picks.unless you see henry going for more than 1400 rushing yards or 100 receiving yards i don't see how you see him top 5 unless you have him going for some crazy amount of TDs. As a team I think Denver is in the mid teens for TDs with Henry getting 2/3 of them.overall very nice, but obviously we have the late first/ early 2nd RBs ranked very differently.

Yes those two guys will tilt me either way. I think Henry and McGahee each have potential to get a ton of TDs while having relatively low floors. Yes, Parker and Jones-Drew scored often last season, but TD scoring can be very inconsistent from year to year. I'd rather go for this year's big producers rather than chase last year's.

yeah i hear you. i like henry and mcgahee but would rather have them after an earlier first round pick.really as long as these guys are solid and are both top 15 guys (even if they are 14 and 15) you have a great chance at taking the whole thing given the rest of your team.bottom line though, if you like henry that much you may as well grab him especially this early in the season when ADP is all over the map.gllllll

 

[John Mamula]

Is there anyway to get a run down of all the trades?

* FBG - (Chris Smith) gave up Pick 12.11;Pick 13.02;Pick 17.02 * FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 11.09;Pick 14.04;Pick 17.09

collusion

 

[John Mamula]

* FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 6.04;Pick 15.09;Pick 16.04

* FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 9.05;Pick 9.06;Pick 9.11

how were you so certain that there would be value there?

i love that trade but would feel more confortable with better ADP data.

 

[Buffalo0987]

Best line ups in my opinion:

FFMastermind.com - Mike Nease

Brady, Tom NEP QB

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB

Parker, Willie PIT RB

Peterson, Adrian CHI RB / Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB

Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR

Jackson, Darrell SFO WR

Johnson, Calvin DET WR

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Wilkins, Jeff STL PK

Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def

FantasyFootballXtreme.com

Palmer, Carson CIN QB

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB

Brown, Ronnie MIA RB

Jackson, Brandon GBP RB

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR

Moss, Santana WAS WR

Toomer, Amani NYG WR

Johnson, Eric NOS TE

Tynes, Lawrence NYG PK

Bengals, Cincinnati CIN Def

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.QB Jay CutlerRB Travis HenryRB Mike BellWR D.J. HackettDT Denver Broncos

OK now I see what's going on here. Thanks for posting the full line-up.

 

[ImTheScientist]

i love most of your draft but hate your first two picks. i think you would be much better off grabbing addai, parker, westbrook, or MJD with your two picks.

unless you see henry going for more than 1400 rushing yards or 100 receiving yards i don't see how you see him top 5 unless you have him going for some crazy amount of TDs. As a team I think Denver is in the mid teens for TDs with Henry getting 2/3 of them.

overall very nice, but obviously we have the late first/ early 2nd RBs ranked very differently.

Yes those two guys will tilt me either way. I think Henry and McGahee each have potential to get a ton of TDs while having relatively low floors. Yes, Parker and Jones-Drew scored often last season, but TD scoring can be very inconsistent from year to year. I'd rather go for this year's big producers rather than chase last year's.

Especially when talking about MJD. I like him as a player but I would not want him as my #1 or #2 fantasy RB unless they say he will get 300 touches

 

[Chris Smith]

gates at 2.11 may be the worst pick in the draft. with the 2 rb / 3 wr /1 flex you have to hammer RBs and WRs early and often given the depth issues of bye weeks and potential injuries every team experiences. likely rb4s and wr4s will see 1/4 of the season.waiting until round 3 to get your first WR or your 2nd RB and then going from there puts you at a huge disadvantage.in before the first vbd comment.

Very good question and one I thought about going into the draft. I was confident I could land a good running back in round three and then later on when the draft got back to me. The key to my squad in my opinion is if I am correct about these three players in 2007...Ahman GreenEdgerrrin JamesJerricho CotcheryI see Green and James putting up very good numbers (just check my rankings) and if I'm right I will be able to start three 20+ carry per game backs which is a huge plus.At receiver, I knew I could get some guys I like later on. Some I got and some I just missed out on but my starters will get a lot of targets each week and should do well enough for me.I have Gates so far ahead of the other tight ends this season that I felt he was worth the risk. If he isn't as strong this year as I believe he'll be, I'll regret not taking Larry Fitzgerald which would have been my pick in the 2nd round but I feel that taking Gates in round two ultimately gave me a squad I am very confident in heading into the season.Ward, Cotchery and Greg Jennings may not be flashy, but I feel they will get lots of looks this season and coule exceed expectations. I currently have them ranked 11th, 17th and 33rd.If Gates gets the 1,000 yards and 10+ touchdowns I expect this season, I will have a receiver lining up a tight end which is a huge plus. If he doesn't then I'll regret the pick.Worst pick of the draft?... That I would bet is incorrect in a huge way. I would argue that Gates is one of the safest picks in the draft and will go down as a very good pick at the end of this season.We will see.

 

[Chris Smith]

Smith... starting 3WRs... and possibly a 4th with flex...Aren't you a bit afraid of your crew: Ward, Cotchery, Muhammad, Jennings, Williamson, WadeI understand that you didn't have any WR picked early... going with SJax, Gates, Edge, Green before picking Ward and Cotchery in the 5th/6th...Just asking... cause my projections (with that scoring system) gives: Ward (WR16), Cotchery (WR21), Jennings, (WR36), Muhammad (WR37), Williamson (WR52), Wade (WR71)... anyone in that list you think is undervalued and will be a week-in /week-out starter as WR3? Or, will you rely on Young, SJax, Edge, Green, Gates to carry your team and hope for some value plays from your WRs?

Hi JayMan... good question...I answered this pretty much in my earlier blurb but I'll touch on the second part of your question here.I have Ward and Cotchery but higher than you by a little (Ward WR11 Cotchery WR17 - BTW... like your ranking of Cotchery). Jennings and Muhammad we are almost identical on. I took Williamson and Wade together because I believe one of those two players is going to emerge as the top guy in Minnesota this year. That may only translate to 700 and 5 but I figured it was worth the shot and I can cut em later if need be. I have Wade ranked 52 but believe he could ultimately end up in the top-forty. Williamson is a bigger risk but if eyesight was indeed his issue, the guy has the potential to be a big-play receiver. Personally I believe I will be cutting Williamson later on and keeping Wade but Williamson only cost me the 191st pick in the draft and I like his upside way better than all the other receivers taken after him.Ultimately what I tried to do is get a strong running back stable of backs capable of 20 carry per game numbers and I feel I've certainly done that.I think the starting lineup ofQB Young/RomoRB St. JacksonRB Edgerrin JamesRB Ahman GreenWR Jerricho CotcheryWR Hines WardWR Greg JenningsTE Antonio GatesK Adam VinitieriDEF Cowboys (whom I really love this year)will get it done for me in a big way. I feel all my starting receivers/tight ends will get 10+ targets per week and the running backs 20+ carries.

 

[Clayton Gray]

* FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 6.04;Pick 15.09;Pick 16.04* FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 9.05;Pick 9.06;Pick 9.11how were you so certain that there would be value there?i love that trade but would feel more comfortable with better ADP data.

That always seems to be a nice spot for QBs. I also like Hackett and Holmes at WR and was fairly certain they'd be available there.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.QB Jay CutlerRB Travis HenryRB Mike BellWR D.J. HackettDT Denver Broncos

OK now I see what's going on here. Thanks for posting the full line-up.

I'm certain that I'm not a Broncos homer.

 

[John Mamula]

gates at 2.11 may be the worst pick in the draft. with the 2 rb / 3 wr /1 flex you have to hammer RBs and WRs early and often given the depth issues of bye weeks and potential injuries every team experiences. likely rb4s and wr4s will see 1/4 of the season.waiting until round 3 to get your first WR or your 2nd RB and then going from there puts you at a huge disadvantage.in before the first vbd comment.

Very good question and one I thought about going into the draft. I was confident I could land a good running back in round three and then later on when the draft got back to me. The key to my squad in my opinion is if I am correct about these three players in 2007...Ahman GreenEdgerrrin JamesJerricho CotcheryI see Green and James putting up very good numbers (just check my rankings) and if I'm right I will be able to start three 20+ carry per game backs which is a huge plus.At receiver, I knew I could get some guys I like later on. Some I got and some I just missed out on but my starters will get a lot of targets each week and should do well enough for me.I have Gates so far ahead of the other tight ends this season that I felt he was worth the risk. If he isn't as strong this year as I believe he'll be, I'll regret not taking Larry Fitzgerald which would have been my pick in the 2nd round but I feel that taking Gates in round two ultimately gave me a squad I am very confident in heading into the season.Ward, Cotchery and Greg Jennings may not be flashy, but I feel they will get lots of looks this season and coule exceed expectations. I currently have them ranked 11th, 17th and 33rd.If Gates gets the 1,000 yards and 10+ touchdowns I expect this season, I will have a receiver lining up a tight end which is a huge plus. If he doesn't then I'll regret the pick.Worst pick of the draft?... That I would bet is incorrect in a huge way. I would argue that Gates is one of the safest picks in the draft and will go down as a very good pick at the end of this season.We will see.

the guys you mention are solid and overall your draft was very good. but to pass on fitz in a start 3 WR + 1 flex is going to hurt more than having that WR depth and starting even the next tier of TE like a shockey, gonzo, or heap. it's not a matter of saying the dropoff between gates and even TE2 is greater than fitz and the next WR you can get. it is a trickle down effect of WRs you have to start throughout the season and the production you lose there.i think you are overly optimistic of ward and cotchery, i have them 22 and 28 respectively. jennings we are close on of my ranking of 34. but you can't just look at your top 3 WRs. you need at least 5 guys who around these ranges, and preferably 1 who is a top 12 guy. you apprently think you have that, but we will see.i guess it is how you quantify risk. i think you are less safe as a team by being more safe at the TE spot.

 

[Chris Smith]

gates at 2.11 may be the worst pick in the draft. with the 2 rb / 3 wr /1 flex you have to hammer RBs and WRs early and often given the depth issues of bye weeks and potential injuries every team experiences. likely rb4s and wr4s will see 1/4 of the season.waiting until round 3 to get your first WR or your 2nd RB and then going from there puts you at a huge disadvantage.in before the first vbd comment.

Very good question and one I thought about going into the draft. I was confident I could land a good running back in round three and then later on when the draft got back to me. The key to my squad in my opinion is if I am correct about these three players in 2007...Ahman GreenEdgerrrin JamesJerricho CotcheryI see Green and James putting up very good numbers (just check my rankings) and if I'm right I will be able to start three 20+ carry per game backs which is a huge plus.At receiver, I knew I could get some guys I like later on. Some I got and some I just missed out on but my starters will get a lot of targets each week and should do well enough for me.I have Gates so far ahead of the other tight ends this season that I felt he was worth the risk. If he isn't as strong this year as I believe he'll be, I'll regret not taking Larry Fitzgerald which would have been my pick in the 2nd round but I feel that taking Gates in round two ultimately gave me a squad I am very confident in heading into the season.Ward, Cotchery and Greg Jennings may not be flashy, but I feel they will get lots of looks this season and coule exceed expectations. I currently have them ranked 11th, 17th and 33rd.If Gates gets the 1,000 yards and 10+ touchdowns I expect this season, I will have a receiver lining up a tight end which is a huge plus. If he doesn't then I'll regret the pick.Worst pick of the draft?... That I would bet is incorrect in a huge way. I would argue that Gates is one of the safest picks in the draft and will go down as a very good pick at the end of this season.We will see.

the guys you mention are solid and overall your draft was very good. but to pass on fitz in a start 3 WR + 1 flex is going to hurt more than having that WR depth and starting even the next tier of TE like a shockey, gonzo, or heap. it's not a matter of saying the dropoff between gates and even TE2 is greater than fitz and the next WR you can get. it is a trickle down effect of WRs you have to start throughout the season and the production you lose there.i think you are overly optimistic of ward and cotchery, i have them 22 and 28 respectively. jennings we are close on of my ranking of 34. but you can't just look at your top 3 WRs. you need at least 5 guys who around these ranges, and preferably 1 who is a top 12 guy. you apprently think you have that, but we will see.i guess it is how you quantify risk. i think you are less safe as a team by being more safe at the TE spot.

Good point and it could be you're right. I am looking at Gates as a WR playing at the tight end position but I also see having Fitzgerald and say Heap could have been an effective way to go as well. I may be overly optimistic of both Ward and Cotchery (although I have my reasons) but you have to follow your own thoughts and I believe both will do very well this season.Glad it is a real league so we'll know at the end of the year whether Gates was a mistake or a shrewd move.

 

[John Mamula]

I may be overly optimistic of both Ward and Cotchery (although I have my reasons) but you have to follow your own thoughts and I believe both will do very well this season.

Glad it is a real league so we'll know at the end of the year whether Gates was a mistake or a shrewd move.

i completely agree re: the bold. no matter what, draft who you think will produce. at the end of the year if you were wrong, at least you took your shot.i'll be happy to eat crow at the end of the year while you hoist your itrophy.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I may be overly optimistic of both Ward and Cotchery (although I have my reasons) but you have to follow your own thoughts and I believe both will do very well this season.

Glad it is a real league so we'll know at the end of the year whether Gates was a mistake or a shrewd move.

i completely agree re: the bold. no matter what, draft who you think will produce. at the end of the year if you were wrong, at least you took your shot.i'll be happy to eat crow at the end of the year while you hoist your itrophy.

Umm, they don't award an itrophy for second place.

 

[John Mamula]

I may be overly optimistic of both Ward and Cotchery (although I have my reasons) but you have to follow your own thoughts and I believe both will do very well this season.

Glad it is a real league so we'll know at the end of the year whether Gates was a mistake or a shrewd move.

i completely agree re: the bold. no matter what, draft who you think will produce. at the end of the year if you were wrong, at least you took your shot.i'll be happy to eat crow at the end of the year while you hoist your itrophy.

Umm, they don't award an itrophy for second place.

 

[Chris Smith]

I may be overly optimistic of both Ward and Cotchery (although I have my reasons) but you have to follow your own thoughts and I believe both will do very well this season.

Glad it is a real league so we'll know at the end of the year whether Gates was a mistake or a shrewd move.

i completely agree re: the bold. no matter what, draft who you think will produce. at the end of the year if you were wrong, at least you took your shot.i'll be happy to eat crow at the end of the year while you hoist your itrophy.

Umm, they don't award an itrophy for second place.

You know that only too well my friend If you're nice I'll send it to you in January to put on your mantle for a month or two.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.

QB Jay Cutler

RB Travis Henry

RB Mike Bell

WR D.J. Hackett

DT Denver Broncos

OK now I see what's going on here. Thanks for posting the full line-up.

I'm certain that I'm not a Broncos homer.

When did he get traded

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.QB Jay CutlerRB Travis HenryRB Mike BellWR D.J. HackettDT Denver Broncos

OK now I see what's going on here. Thanks for posting the full line-up.

I'm certain that I'm not a Broncos homer.

Are you sure???

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.

QB Jay Cutler

RB Travis Henry

RB Mike Bell

WR D.J. Hackett

DT Denver Broncos

OK now I see what's going on here. Thanks for posting the full line-up.

I'm certain that I'm not a Broncos homer.

When did he get traded

Where did he go t college?

 

[John Mamula]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.

QB Jay Cutler

RB Travis Henry

RB Mike Bell

WR D.J. Hackett

DT Denver Broncos

OK now I see what's going on here. Thanks for posting the full line-up.

I'm certain that I'm not a Broncos homer.

When did he get traded

Where did he go t college?

all of the denver defense went to arkansas?

 

[Mike]

FFToday.com

Rivers, Philip SDC QB - 7

Schaub, Matt HOU QB - 10

Addai, Joseph IND RB - 6

Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB - 9

Brown, Chris TEN RB - 4

Dorsey, DeDe IND RB - 6

Jones, Kevin DET RB - 6

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB - 4

Clayton, Mark BAL WR - 8

Clayton, Michael TBB WR - 10

Curtis, Kevin PHI WR - 5

Driver, Donald GBP WR - 7

Walker, Javon DEN WR - 6

Scaife, Bo TEN TE - 4

Winslow, Kellen CLE TE - 7

Nedney, Joe SFO PK - 6

Stover, Matt BAL PK - 8

Jets, New York NYJ Def - 10

By far the worst team

i don't like his QBs as much but this is actually one of my favorites. great WR depth and really like his RBs too. he did the best with what was there in the 1/2 rounds and got a corps of WRs who don't blow your socks off but as a group will be very productive. i'll take driver, walker, and mark clayton as my 3 WRs any day with KJones or the other clayton mixing it up in the flex. add in the upside for chris brown at TEN this is a team where the sum is greater than the whole of its parts.

if their biggest issue is grabbing another QB off the waiver wire they did ok imo.

Thanks bagger I've been ridiculed before in post-draft commentary, but was surprised at the "worst team by far" comment from The Scientist (and no explanation, I might add). I guess a lot depends on who people like in the late-1st round.On Henry, if Clayton had passed on him I would have still taken Addai first, but had Henry got back to me in the 2nd I would have taken him before MJD. Clayton did the right thing grabbing him where he did as opposed to hoping he would have got back to him in the 2nd.

 

[Blackjacks]

I really like this team

FantasyInsights.com (Van Prooyen)

Delhomme, Jake CAR QB -

Kitna, Jon DET QB -

Gore, Frank SFO RB -

Jones, Thomas NYJ RB -

Morency, Vernand GBP RB

Morris, Maurice SEA RB -

Taylor, Fred JAC RB -

Baskett, Hank PHI WR -

Berrian, Bernard CHI WR

Furrey, Mike DET WR -

Holt, Torry STL WR -

Williams, Roy DET WR -

McMichael, Randy STL TE -

Witten, Jason DAL TE -

Hanson, Jason DET PK -

Kaeding, Nate SDC PK -

Bears, Chicago CHI Def -

Chiefs, Kansas City KCC Def

18 Total Players

 

[John Mamula]

I really like this team

FantasyInsights.com (Van Prooyen)

Delhomme, Jake CAR QB -

Kitna, Jon DET QB -

Gore, Frank SFO RB -

Jones, Thomas NYJ RB -

Morency, Vernand GBP RB

Morris, Maurice SEA RB -

Taylor, Fred JAC RB -

Baskett, Hank PHI WR -

Berrian, Bernard CHI WR

Furrey, Mike DET WR -

Holt, Torry STL WR -

Williams, Roy DET WR -

McMichael, Randy STL TE -

Witten, Jason DAL TE -

Hanson, Jason DET PK -

Kaeding, Nate SDC PK -

Bears, Chicago CHI Def -

Chiefs, Kansas City KCC Def

18 Total Players

i think he is light on RB although the morris pick is a good one. i'm not a huge fan of that position but may be one of those deals where he can sneakily always have a good starter for him pending Alexander's health and if things break right for morency in GB.he does not have nearly enough depth at WR, mainly due to grabbing Chicago early. what baffles me there is if you get Chicago, why waste another draft pick on a defense? why not hit the WW the one week you're not going to start them? KC would probably be there on the WW anyway after week 1.

his TEs are great but if witten is going where you draft him you should only be playing mcmichael one week as well.

finally, you have QBs where kitna is so old i have serious concerns of him finishing the season and delhomme may be replaced by carr with as bad as delhomme has played in recent games.

not a fan of this one at all. seemed to have some good initial strategies but never followed through with any leaving a mish mash of talent that doesn't give you a great team.

 

[Mike]

* FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 6.04;Pick 15.09;Pick 16.04* FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 9.05;Pick 9.06;Pick 9.11how were you so certain that there would be value there?i love that trade but would feel more comfortable with better ADP data.

That always seems to be a nice spot for QBs. I also like Hackett and Holmes at WR and was fairly certain they'd be available there.

Clayton got a great trade here. Players drafted at these spots were:6.04 Calvin Johnson15.09 Charlie Frye16.04 Michael Bush for9.05 Jay Cutler9.06 Ben Roethlisberger9.11 Michael Vickhowever... I really thought you could have done better than using all 3 picks on QBs. The Ravens D went at 9.08. Nice pick of Santonio Holmes yourself at 9.09. Jason Witten, Devery Henderson, Adrian Peterson (CHI) all went inside the next round and a half. You could have bolstered your depth at another position and still got 2 QB with these 3 picks which would have been a better overall result, IMHO.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I'm the one that took Travis Henry at 1.09.

QB Jay Cutler

RB Travis Henry

RB Mike Bell

WR D.J. Hackett

DT Denver Broncos

OK now I see what's going on here. Thanks for posting the full line-up.

I'm certain that I'm not a Broncos homer.

When did he get traded

Where did he go t college?

all of the denver defense went to arkansas?

I'm all with this line.

 

[Clayton Gray]

* FootballGuys.com (Gray) gave up Pick 6.04;Pick 15.09;Pick 16.04

* FantasyFootballXtreme.com gave up Pick 9.05;Pick 9.06;Pick 9.11

how were you so certain that there would be value there?

i love that trade but would feel more comfortable with better ADP data.

That always seems to be a nice spot for QBs. I also like Hackett and Holmes at WR and was fairly certain they'd be available there.

Clayton got a great trade here. Players drafted at these spots were:6.04 Calvin Johnson

15.09 Charlie Frye

16.04 Michael Bush

for

9.05 Jay Cutler

9.06 Ben Roethlisberger

9.11 Michael Vick

however... I really thought you could have done better than using all 3 picks on QBs. The Ravens D went at 9.08. Nice pick of Santonio Holmes yourself at 9.09. Jason Witten, Devery Henderson, Adrian Peterson (CHI) all went inside the next round and a half. You could have bolstered your depth at another position and still got 2 QB with these 3 picks which would have been a better overall result, IMHO.

I certainly didn't intend to get that many QBs, but I wasn't a huge fan of the other players available at 9.11. Plus, Vick has the potential to be a top five guy. I never considered taking a defense. After my trades, I fully intended on going with the Denver/Miami combo for defense (since my last few picks would be in rounds 13 and 14). This combo was also the reason I colluded traded with Smith...very easy to get both squads at 12.11 and 13.02. I would have taken Witten if I didn't have Shockey already. Henderson and Peterson were on the short list, but the potential of Vick was too much to pass up.