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I saw this...this is either a crazy overreaction or there is more to the story than meets the eye. I can see canning someone if they are spending like 1/2 their day f'ing around on fantasy sites...but not for a random IM here and there as what was referenced in the article. Kind of sucks to get fired for IMing about Trent Edwards...I mean, why is that guy even a part of a legit fantasy discussion?
My other thought is that they were looking for some excuse to can these particular folks. Juding by how many guys I know play FFL -- and how they occassionally chat with others at work about it -- there are DEFINITELY more than 4 people at Fidelty doing this...is the company going to fire all of them? I guarantee you they WILL NOT if that person is deemed a "valuable" employee or is in some position of power.THere is more to this than meets the eye, it seems.
Maybe the thinking was, "if this guy has Trent Edwards on his team, he must not be too bright, so lets get rid of him before he does damage to us". LOLBut it doesn't change the fact its lousy policy. Grow up, Fidelity and worry about your declining market share.I saw this...this is either a crazy overreaction or there is more to the story than meets the eye. I can see canning someone if they are spending like 1/2 their day f'ing around on fantasy sites...but not for a random IM here and there as what was referenced in the article. Kind of sucks to get fired for IMing about Trent Edwards...I mean, why is that guy even a part of a legit fantasy discussion?My other thought is that they were looking for some excuse to can these particular folks. Juding by how many guys I know play FFL -- and how they occassionally chat with others at work about it -- there are DEFINITELY more than 4 people at Fidelty doing this...is the company going to fire all of them? I guarantee you they WILL NOT if that person is deemed a "valuable" employee or is in some position of power.THere is more to this than meets the eye, it seems.
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Pretty much guaranteed. Canned for some other reason but they are using FF as the excuse. Where I used to work, they had a flag that would go up when you got close to 20 years with the company. Every few years, they would go around and clean house. Back then it was a pension so those people got zero upon termination. Then they would just move everyone up....and in line for execution when they got close to 20 years.I saw this...this is either a crazy overreaction or there is more to the story than meets the eye. I can see canning someone if they are spending like 1/2 their day f'ing around on fantasy sites...but not for a random IM here and there as what was referenced in the article. Kind of sucks to get fired for IMing about Trent Edwards...I mean, why is that guy even a part of a legit fantasy discussion?My other thought is that they were looking for some excuse to can these particular folks. Juding by how many guys I know play FFL -- and how they occassionally chat with others at work about it -- there are DEFINITELY more than 4 people at Fidelty doing this...is the company going to fire all of them? I guarantee you they WILL NOT if that person is deemed a "valuable" employee or is in some position of power.THere is more to this than meets the eye, it seems.
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As someone who works in the pension field, I can guarantee you that these people did not get ZERO pension if they got terminated just prior to 20 years. What they probably missed out on was a possible unreduced early retirement that would have come at 20 years of service, but they were all still 100% vested in a pension at 19 years for sure.Pretty much guaranteed. Canned for some other reason but they are using FF as the excuse. Where I used to work, they had a flag that would go up when you got close to 20 years with the company. Every few years, they would go around and clean house. Back then it was a pension so those people got zero upon termination. Then they would just move everyone up....and in line for execution when they got close to 20 years.I saw this...this is either a crazy overreaction or there is more to the story than meets the eye. I can see canning someone if they are spending like 1/2 their day f'ing around on fantasy sites...but not for a random IM here and there as what was referenced in the article. Kind of sucks to get fired for IMing about Trent Edwards...I mean, why is that guy even a part of a legit fantasy discussion?My other thought is that they were looking for some excuse to can these particular folks. Juding by how many guys I know play FFL -- and how they occassionally chat with others at work about it -- there are DEFINITELY more than 4 people at Fidelty doing this...is the company going to fire all of them? I guarantee you they WILL NOT if that person is deemed a "valuable" employee or is in some position of power.THere is more to this than meets the eye, it seems.
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You are right but it may as well be zero.. They got ####ed. This was back in the early 90's and I think they always tried to sue for some reason. Something possibly about not getting the pesnion unless you got to 20 years.As someone who works in the pension field, I can guarantee you that these people did not get ZERO pension if they got terminated just prior to 20 years. What they probably missed out on was a possible unreduced early retirement that would have come at 20 years of service, but they were all still 100% vested in a pension at 19 years for sure.Pretty much guaranteed. Canned for some other reason but they are using FF as the excuse. Where I used to work, they had a flag that would go up when you got close to 20 years with the company. Every few years, they would go around and clean house. Back then it was a pension so those people got zero upon termination. Then they would just move everyone up....and in line for execution when they got close to 20 years.I saw this...this is either a crazy overreaction or there is more to the story than meets the eye. I can see canning someone if they are spending like 1/2 their day f'ing around on fantasy sites...but not for a random IM here and there as what was referenced in the article. Kind of sucks to get fired for IMing about Trent Edwards...I mean, why is that guy even a part of a legit fantasy discussion?My other thought is that they were looking for some excuse to can these particular folks. Juding by how many guys I know play FFL -- and how they occassionally chat with others at work about it -- there are DEFINITELY more than 4 people at Fidelty doing this...is the company going to fire all of them? I guarantee you they WILL NOT if that person is deemed a "valuable" employee or is in some position of power.THere is more to this than meets the eye, it seems.
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Bored at work today?
So I assume you are either not at work when you posted this, or you are unemployed. Either that or you are a hypocrite.
Some of us have superior multi-tasking abilities. You on the other hand should be fire. Who do you work for again?
That didn't last long. I am not at work but it was a fishing trip.Bored at work today?
I'm self employed.
In order to save face, your best move is to fire yourself.
I am the VP of HR, so I am allowed to do these thngs at work. I live by the motto "do as I say, not as I do"
Where do you work again? I want to make sure I never associate with your company in any way.
So you are using company equipment for personal use? Unless you are at the library.
FavreCo said:
Look, it's Dogbert the evil HR Directortbglog said:
By the looks of the avatar - you drive an ice cream truck?Phurfur said:
Actually it has pedals.By the looks of the avatar - you drive an ice cream truck?Phurfur said:
No gambling, now get back to ... gambling.
Doesn't matter what they consider gambling. FF is not gambling.
Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks is gambling, if they have it written into policy and you have signed that policy then you will need your lawyers to fight their lawyers in a very uphill battle. They were discussing FF in an IM on company time, there is not much difference between that and surfing a FFwebsite. I feel for these guys but I bet this is the result of other infractions as well.
so not working is an excuse to can somebody?
Wanna bet? If you have it written into your policy that you do not condone gambling and have fired these employees on that basis, it's Fidelity that would have an uphill battle. Fantasy Sports has been defined by Federal Court as a game of skill and thus, not gambling. Now if they're being fired because they were engaged in non-work related activity on company time, yeah - they're S.O.L. That, I agree with you on. But "gambling" is not open to Fidelity's interpretation.
If they were fired for gambling. If they were fired for the company's policy that included gambling then they probably have no case. Fidelity is highly regulated so its no surprise they crack down on things like this. If it was an email would it make more sense? If it was a phone call would it make less sense? I would bet its closer to an email for regulatory purposes. You do sound like you know more than me on the laws involved.
Agreed. I'm only familiar with the Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act. I know NOTHING about employment law, so heck - maybe they could fire him for gambling when he wasn't really gambling and they'd still get away with it. Any way you slice it, the guy was technically engaging in non-work related activities.
You submit a weekly "parlay" of players based on the weather reports and NFL injury reports for 16 or so weeks with money bet on the intention of winning even more. Yes sir we have gambling. Not a game of skill. GAMBLING
Picking NFL games is gambling. Assembling a roster of players - a different roster than anyone else in your league - and competing against other "owners" is not a game of pure luck. Skill is involved.
People would say Poker is a game of skill...just saying.
Also, what he said.
Loved the quote 'how could they fire me in this economy for something like this'In this economy, you should be more worried for your job there Joe.
FE: Fantasy EconomicsDrafting soon.
