Finals Standings Cluster#### in Money League (1 Viewer)

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Here's the scoop: 14 team : $250 buyin plus $10 FA fees so there's about $5k on the line. I've been in this league for 4 years and this is my first year as commish. Prior to my arrival the tiebreakers were set as NFL Style (Head to head, strength of victory, we don't have divisions). In the future I'm going to push for head-to-head then total points as a tiebreaker... but this year we've got a cluster#### on our hands:

6 teams make the playoffs... 1 & 2 Get a bye. 3/6 and 4/5 play in week 14. Pretty Standard.

The problem is we've got 5 teams battling for the 4/5/6 seeds. As a bonus, they all have a 2-2 record within the 5 teams head-to-head. For reference, here is the head to head grid.

What myself and the Co-Commish are torn on (he's the former commish who assists with the league since we've got a lot of whiners) is the "order of operations" for determining who makes it.

OPTION 1:

Does the NFL Scoring method require reverting to head-to-head then SOS after EACH playoff slot is selected?

More Detailed Breakdown here:

For the five 7-6 teams:

1: All had 2-2 record among the group, so we have to go to

2: Strength of victory (w-l record of teams beaten). That came to:

1) GPHU 40-51

2) Blues 39-52

3) Confeds 37-52-2

4) PStars 36-54-1

5) NTAC 35-56

GPHU becomes #4 seed

3: we go back to common record between remaining 7-6 teams:

PStars 2-1

Blues 2-1

Confeds 1-2

NTAC 1-2

PStars and Blues then go to next step: strength of victory (we do not go back a step to head-to-head, as I understand). As such Blues would get #5 seed, even though they lost to PStars head-to-head.

4: we go back to common record between remaining three teams (PStars, NTAC, and Confeds): all three were 1-1 within group.

5: then go to strength of victory, and Confeds gets #6 seed.

OR OPTION 2:

At step 3 above, do we simply take the two 2-1 teams and go from there? The former/asst commish seems to think that you must carry out the above through the whole process... I'm not certain. I'm deferring to you guys.

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It essentially ends up with Pornstars getting ousted in favor of Confeds. This will end up causing a huge stink so I want to be certain before we announce this to the league.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated

 

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Had to edit to fix something... refresh.

 

[Superbowl Shuffle]

The right answer is a variation on #1. NFL actually uses the scenarios to eliminate teams before selecting teams for the playoff spots.

So in your scenario, the team with the worst strength of victory rating among the 5 tied teams is eliminated first. NTAC is out, and then you repeat the tie-breaker process with the remaining 4 teams by starting back at head-to-head among the group. Eliminate until one team remains for the #4 seed.

Then start all over with the 4 teams tied at 7-6 using their head to head and then strength of victory to elminate until you have a #5, and then repeat to find the #6.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The right answer is a variation on #1. NFL actually uses the scenarios to eliminate teams before selecting teams for the playoff spots. So in your scenario, the team with the worst strength of victory rating among the 5 tied teams is eliminated first.

Are you sure the NFL does it that way? I thought they only eliminated the bottom team(s) if there was a tie for the top team.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

At step 3 above, do we simply take the two 2-1 teams and go from there? The former/asst commish seems to think that you must carry out the above through the whole process... I'm not certain. I'm deferring to you guys.

From the NFL:

OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES

1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.

ETA: That's actually from a two year-old ESPN article about NFL tiebreaking procedures. The page on NFL.com doesn't seem to include that section.

 

[Insein]

At step 3 above, do we simply take the two 2-1 teams and go from there? The former/asst commish seems to think that you must carry out the above through the whole process... I'm not certain. I'm deferring to you guys.

From the NFL:

OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES

1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.

This needs to be reiterated as many times as necessary for people to get it. if 3 or more teams are involved in a tie, only 1 team wins the tiebreaker, then the rest start a new round of tiebreakers from scratch.

 

[Koya]

This is why first tie break should be total points - its by far the most simple and straight forward (eliminated whining) and imo is the best determination of the better team... just because you went H2H in week 6 when your team had 4 byes and the other had none is no reason to weight that victory more than others for the purposes of breaking a tie.

Of course, none of this helps you this year - good luck with the whining.

 

[oso diablo]

This is why first tie break should be total points - its by far the most simple and straight forward (eliminated whining) and imo is the best determination of the better team... just because you went H2H in week 6 when your team had 4 byes and the other had none is no reason to weight that victory more than others for the purposes of breaking a tie.Of course, none of this helps you this year - good luck with the whining.

even better, imo, is using the all-play record (mfl) or breakdown (cbs) metric.

 

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This is why first tie break should be total points - its by far the most simple and straight forward (eliminated whining) and imo is the best determination of the better team... just because you went H2H in week 6 when your team had 4 byes and the other had none is no reason to weight that victory more than others for the purposes of breaking a tie.Of course, none of this helps you this year - good luck with the whining.

I tend to agree. Email went off with minimal #####ing but the guy who got ousted from what might have been a perceived-earned slot is one of 2-3 whiners we have in the league. He might not get his email till later in the day. Could be entertaining. I agree 100% that the tiebreakers should be total points. Very much the simplest metric and almost always rewards the better team.

 

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And the inevitable objection

Alright. Now, we need to clear up some definitions. Head to head games are games between the teams that are tied. Commongames are games that teams all played. Thus, common games inour league would be games played against anyone not 7-6. Andthat makes us all 5-4 (I took out our (2-2).As you pointed out, GPHU is selected as the #4 seed, and after that we go back to the first step in the tiebreaking procedure (head to head). Keep in mind that there is no minimum number of games played, unlike what you previously stated. This is the official rule:"Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format."The remaining four teams are Porn Stars, Memphis Blues, Confeds, and NTAC. Their records between themselves are respectively 2-1, 2-1, 1-2, and 1-2. Because Porn Stars beatMemphis Blues, they are in fact the #5 seed.That leaves Memphis Blues, Confeds, and NTAC. Memphis Blues beat both of those teams, so they are the #6 seed.The error stems from the correct definition of head-to-head and common games.

This should be fun. Co commish typing out the rebuttal now....

 

[Koya]

This is why first tie break should be total points - its by far the most simple and straight forward (eliminated whining) and imo is the best determination of the better team... just because you went H2H in week 6 when your team had 4 byes and the other had none is no reason to weight that victory more than others for the purposes of breaking a tie.Of course, none of this helps you this year - good luck with the whining.

even better, imo, is using the all-play record (mfl) or breakdown (cbs) metric.

Good points - nothing better than how would you fare against all times for all weeks, or if you want a head to head then head to head record had those to teams played every week. I actually like that, really determines who out of two teams is the better match. Total points is not perfect because a team that goes off a few weeks but is inconsistent, imo, is not as good as a team that has the same amount of points but would win more games because of less bad weeks. Thats just my opinion. Curious to follow Icongate.