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Fire up the PJ Pope posse (1 Viewer)
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T.A.
Footballguy
I have Torain, Young and Pope.
When I cut Pittman, I chose Pope over Hillis, because Hillis is not a tailback at all.
Is he any good? Dunno.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._Pope
Only player in Bowling Green history to get 3,000 rushing and 1,000 receiving.
When I cut Pittman, I chose Pope over Hillis, because Hillis is not a tailback at all.
Is he any good? Dunno.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._Pope
Only player in Bowling Green history to get 3,000 rushing and 1,000 receiving.
Xue
Footballguy
The Rams did.
duece2626
Footballguy
My bad. Walker signed with STL. I knew he signed somewhere.
Carver Lee
Footballguy
Think they're wishing they looked a little harder at Benson and Alexander?
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Carver Lee
Footballguy
Selvin is not, nor ever will be an NFL back.
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No, no, I'm pretty sure he is....plays for the Broncos.
Carver Lee
Footballguy
sooooooooooo clever. How about Selvin Young isn't deserved of being an NFL back. He is the beneficiary of being on a MNC team. And he wasn't even the bast back on that team..No, no, I'm pretty sure he is....plays for the Broncos.
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thatguy
Footballguy
Umm... He has averaged 5.3 YPC over 187 career carries. Pretty sure he belongs in the NFL. He may not ever be a true feature back, but he is at worst a very good COP back.sooooooooooo clever. How about Selvin Young isn't deserved of being an NFL back. He is the beneficiary of being on a MNC team. And he wasn't even the bast back on that team..No, no, I'm pretty sure he is....plays for the Broncos.
Dirty Hairy
Footballguy
http://bgsufalcons.cstv.com/sports/m-footb.../pope_pj00.htmlI don't know much about him, but if Young is not able to go, I'm thinking Pope will be the choice over Hillis because DEN's zone blocking scheme does not favor large fullback type players.
thatguy
Footballguy
That's not true. It favors players who have the ability (and discipline) to make only one cut and go. Fullback's are actually particularly good at this, because they aren't that shifty to begin with so they don't ever bother making more than one cut. It's a natural fit, really.
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T.A.
Footballguy
From what Ive seen of Hillis, he doesnt show anything resembling the cut or the go.
thatguy
Footballguy
Well I'm not speaking about Hillis in particular, just addressing what the poster said regarding FB's inability to succeed in the zone blocking scheme. Regardless of whether Hillis is able to do this, his post was still inaccurate. Guys like Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns have shown why.
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NatronIsMean
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He was on the Bears during preseason and really looked good to me in a few games. Good enough for me to notice him for sure. Again, preseason. But still. Here were the stats:
Game 1: 8 for 17 / 4 for 39 receiving
Game 2: 4 for 17 / 1 for 3
Game 3: 2 for 12
Game 4: 8 for 34
I think the Bears tried to put him on the practice squad but the Broncos snatched him up at that point.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
More like plod and roll.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
He re-tweaked that groin. Methinks there's a few more weeks of waiting before we know anything about that assertion.
Here is some Cory Boyd infoBoyd, Cory RB 6' 1" 213 23 R South Carolina FA-'08
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=E3UVnu...eature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9LiSmRgRgDM
Seems to have had anger issues in the past
Trivia - he's # 30
Edit to add that off-field anger = bad --- on-field anger = good
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moleculo
Footballguy
It's really not fair to discount Hillis based on the Cle game - he came in as a #3 reserve role, played mostly in the 2nd half with the team down by 10+, and likely has had no experience running behind the Den O, an offense predicated on timing.Here's what we do know about Hillis: he has proven to be an excellent option as a receiver, and he hasn't fumbled. He has shown some heart fighting for the first down in the critical 4th and one vs Cle, so I'd say at a bare minimum, he's adequate in short yardage situations.
FB's typically don't get alot of carries in a Shanahan offense, so we don't know what the kid can do given a week's worth of preparation. I haven't focused on Hillis closely so I don't know how he looks in the pass blocking , but if I'm Cutler I'd rather have a converted FB who's been with the team since day one of training camp protecting me than a practice squad guy or a street FA who won't really know the playbook and may not be a willing blocker to start with.
Moving forward, it's become obvious that this O will be very pass-heavy - based on the run/pass splits already and the lack of a qualified back. Hillis's aptitude in this area can only help his cause.
That's why I officially endorse Hillis as the Bronco starting RB.
Football Menace
Footballguy
Exactly what I was thinking and just about to post. I think many are discounting Hillis without the benefit of seeing what he can do.
Gopher State
Footballguy
I agree Hillis is the same mold as Anderson and Droughns, and after that BIG 4th down run for a first down to win the game, Shanny will give him ever chance to be the featured back.This thread should be changed to Fire up the Hillis posse, or get on the Hillis bandwagon, because it's the main RB show in Denver
hauser42
Footballguy
I know he was on the someone's practive squad a couple of years ago either KC or Chicago and the Packers signed him when they had a ton of injuries. He has been around the zone blcoking scheme in the past and this season so I would think he would be the player to grab. Hillis will be looked by a lot of owners because of his big game.
two_dollars
Footballguy
And if Pope is, then why was he collecting a check on the practice squad while Selvin was getting NFL game carries?By your analysis, there are a LOT of guys who shouldn't be NFL backs.2007- 140 for 729, 5.21 avg2008- 48 for 268, 5.58 avgyeah he should never have stepped foot on a field!!
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think it should be called the Popemobile. Fire it up!
T.A.
Footballguy
"Featured back"I agree Hillis is the same mold as Anderson and Droughns, and after that BIG 4th down run for a first down to win the game, Shanny will give him ever chance to be the featured back.This thread should be changed to Fire up the Hillis posse, or get on the Hillis bandwagon, because it's the main RB show in Denver
He is a slow footed tortoise next to Anderson and Droughns.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He's 5'9"??? Why does this not sound encouraging?
I have a ww claim in dropping Torain for Pope, but really who knows.... Dalton Hilliard was 5'8".
Sounds like he was a heck of a player in college...
http://bgsufalcons.cstv.com/sports/m-footb.../pope_pj00.html
I have a ww claim in dropping Torain for Pope, but really who knows.... Dalton Hilliard was 5'8".
Sounds like he was a heck of a player in college...
http://bgsufalcons.cstv.com/sports/m-footb.../pope_pj00.html
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Footballguy
Sproles is 5'6", Maurice Jones-Drew is 5'7", Jesse Chatman and Leon Washington are 5'8"
JHicks22
Footballguy
:whoosh:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I like that part right there.MJD: 5'7", 208PJP: 5'9", 2052005, injured most of the season at BG, but 2003-04 he caught 48 and 50 balls, apx 3000 yards all purpose excluding kick returns in those 2 years. Young has a groin injury. My RB squad looks like roullette wheel.Yes, I agree with the avoid DEN RB philosophy, but it's not like I have LT and Portis as my starters, I'm taking flyers every week. Torain almost paid off, can't pin that one on Shanny.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Should we expect a RBBC between Pope and Bell
with Hillis catching balls out of the backfield ?
with Hillis catching balls out of the backfield ?
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I just Poped myself
dmac37
Footballguy
Not a big Denver fan but from my memory, when Bell was with Denver they were a "running team". Now they are a "passing team" and Bell is not an option catching the ball out of the backfield (not sure he can pass block either).This year Young looked good and has a real good YPC. Last year he was also an option to catch the ball out of the backfield, so we know he can do it. I think Young is the #1 option when he comes back. Until then I think Hillis is the one to own, he will be used as a receiver out of the backfield and he should get the goal line carries.Should we expect a RBBC between Pope and Bellwith Hillis catching balls out of the backfield ?
-baller
Footballguy
don't you remember the story of the tortoise and the hare?that story taught me that the slower you go, the more races you win."Featured back"He [Hillis] is a slow footed tortoise next to Anderson and Droughns.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I like the fact that PJPs measurables are similar to MJD.
Worthy of a roster spot, at least for this week anyway.
Worthy of a roster spot, at least for this week anyway.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
The one thing we know above all else in the ongoing saga of Den RBs, there is no way to know who Shanny may suddenly turn to. If he likes Hollis as the main FB and short-yardage back, he could easily give the rest of the job to Pope. Pope would have to show a little one-cut explosion and not fumble or get hurt. He could suddenly be a nice part of the RBBC until Selvin's groin heals, which could be weeks (ask Scheffler). Then again he could be dropped by everyone next week. I can't imagine Bell is in anything close to football shape. We shall see.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Besides his height and weight, what's similar?
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
What if the question was, "name a player that plays for DEN"...?
thatguy
Footballguy
Height and weight don't mean a whole lot until you see the player's actual body type, and how they use their leverage when they run. Take Leon Washington... His measurables are also similar to MJD's. And while he possesses a lot of the same skills, he lacks the raw power and inside running ability of MJD.There's something about MJD... So much of his weight is distributed in his lower region, which lends itself to great power and balance, and makes him very difficult to get a hold of and bring down
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
We may have this questioned answered today.
Pots
Footballguy
Nice hijack into a WDIS thread.
Tong Po
Footballguy
So sorry to upset you....I'll rephrase my question so as not to upset your delicate feelings about the proper usage of forums.Did anyone watch the Denver game last week? What was the RB rotation between Pope and Tatum? Was Pope in on goal line plays?
Pots
Footballguy
Sorry to ruin your not-so-subtle misplaced Assistant Coach post. I hope your delicate feelings are also intact.You rephrased it much better.
Tong Po
Footballguy
Well if you look.... I never asked anyone if I should start Pope over the two Dallas RBs.I was simply looking for input on Pope's role in the offense based on what they saw last week against Carolina.Sorry to ruin your not-so-subtle misplaced Assistant Coach post. I hope your delicate feelings are also intact.You rephrased it much better.
But thanks for making me waste 2 additional posts in this thread explaining myself.
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