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First ADP of 07? (1 Viewer)

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Player Scoring:

Passing TDs = 6 pts

Rushing/receiving TDs = 6 pts

1 pt per 20 yards passing

1 pt per 10 yards rushing/receiving

1 pt per reception (QB/RB/WR)

2 pt per reception (TE)

Kicker Scoring:

3 pts per FG

1 pt per EP

Defense Scoring:

Points Allowed

0 = 5 points

1-6 = 3 points

7-13 = 1 point

14+ = 0 points

Total Yards Allowed

0-199 = 5 points

200-249 = 3 points

250-299 = 1 point

300+ = 0 points

Sack = 1 point

INT/Fumble Recovery = 2 points

Safety = 2 points

TD (inc. ST) = 6 points

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No trading of players

No free agent pick ups

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No submission of rosters. Each week 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 PK and 1 Def/ST will be maximized for your weekly score.

 
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :pics:
I value many of the players differently, but I think it's a realistic indication of perceived value for the most part. The one that did jump out at me as bizarre was Joseph Addai -- RB #8, Clinton Portis -- RB #13 :2cents:
 
#11 MJD

#12 Ronnie Brown

#13 Clinton Portis

:lmao:

MJD is waaaay overvalued and highly overhyped.

 
This isn't the first ranking where I've seen Portis on the board in the middle of the second round...

Looks like Portis = Value in '07

 
I was surprised Westbrook went so high, high yeah but...

I expected Benson to go much earlier.

Duckett sure fell out of favor fast.

I don't think Baskett's locked up the #2 spot in Philly.

Evans was much higher than I expected. Ward lower.

 
I was surprised Westbrook went so high, high yeah but...I expected Benson to go much earlier.Duckett sure fell out of favor fast.I don't think Baskett's locked up the #2 spot in Philly. Evans was much higher than I expected. Ward lower.
Westy: It's PPR, which greatly enhances his value. He's been consistantly in the top 5 in terms of scoreing per game started for a few years now, with no reason to think next season will be any different. This might be a few picks high in a traditional redraft due to injury risk, but certainly worth the risk in a survivor format.Benson: Again, it's PPR, and he may still be in a RBBC.Duckett: He's an RB3 on his own team!Baskett: He hasn't officially, but it's unlikely Philly will bring anyone in to challenge him, and unlikely that they can/will keep Stallworth. That means his only challenge wil be Jason Avant. Avant could win that job, but most think it unlikely. If he's the WR2 in pass happy Philly, his ranking may well be TOO LOW. If he's the WR3, it's a little too high. Considering the upside and the fact that this is a surviver format, he was taken, IMHO, about the right spot.Evans: Losman's improving, Buffalo's improving. Hard to fathom, but it's true.Ward: No answer for that. I happen to agree.Edited to add: Bri is in one of these leagues. The explanations I gave were also for the benefit of viewers not in or familiar with surviver.
 
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This isn't the first ranking where I've seen Portis on the board in the middle of the second round...Looks like Portis = Value in '07
I don't know... I don't like Portis in 07. I think Betts is gonna get considerable time this year. He's too good to be benched. Obviously he won't overtake Portis, but I think he'll see significant time. Maybe something like the Priest/LJ split of two years ago when LJ got 1 of every 3 drives? Either way I'm not big on Portis this year...I'm surprised to see Travis Henry, Fred Taylor, and Rivers are so far down.
 
This isn't the first ranking where I've seen Portis on the board in the middle of the second round...Looks like Portis = Value in '07
I'm surprised to see Travis Henry, Fred Taylor, and Rivers are so far down.
I had Rivers a little higher, but it's not hard to see why he'd be as low as he is. With LT to run, a good defense, and mediocre (at best) receiving corps, he's probably a better NFL QB then a fantasy QB at this point.
 
I was surprised Westbrook went so high, high yeah but...I expected Benson to go much earlier.Duckett sure fell out of favor fast.I don't think Baskett's locked up the #2 spot in Philly. Evans was much higher than I expected. Ward lower.
I started the westy trend at 1.04benson? I try not to get guys that are in RBBCDuckett has sucked for years nowAgree with baskettEvans is solidWard? getting long in the toothThings I noticed:Colston, undervalued.Portis undervalued.It's interested to see adp results now, but really this isn't a H2H 12 man league.It's a 16 tem survivor. Strategy is way different. not so much early, but later.
 
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Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :banned:
like what? which ones?
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :goodposting:
Like which?I think a posting of the WSL rules is in order....
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :confused:
I value many of the players differently, but I think it's a realistic indication of perceived value for the most part. The one that did jump out at me as bizarre was Joseph Addai -- RB #8, Clinton Portis -- RB #13 :confused:
Some that really stand out to me:QBs

Young at QB 9 - we could be looking at the Vick fantasy football love fest all over again. I just don't see how you take him over guys like E. Manning, Leinert, Roeth and A.Smith.

Lefty at QB 25 - You'd think the guy wasn't even going to start being ranked that low.

RBs

Westy at RB 4 - I love Westy and think he is a great player. He just never stays healthy all year long. #4 seems a bit high considering.

Bush/Addai/Jones-Drew - These guys come in ranked 7th, 8th and 11th. Wow, I know they had great rookie years but they all still have another guy cometing strongly for touches in teh backfield. I think this is jumping the gun.

Portis - falling into the 2nd round is going to be a steal for someone on this guy.

T.Jones/J.Lewis/J.Jones - Unlike the rookie 3 of last year, thesse 3 seem to be way undervalued IMO. 26, 29 and 30 are the rankings of these 3 RBs. T.Jones finished as RB 21 last year, Lewis as RB 16 last year and J. Jones as RB 27.

WRs

I actually like most of these rankings. There is no way I would take Smith as the 1st WR, but that is splitting hairs. I think Colston is overrated at 10.

 
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#11 MJD

#12 Ronnie Brown

#13 Clinton Portis

:banned:

MJD is waaaay overvalued and highly overhyped.
Jones-Drew finished 2006 as the #8 RB in this scoring system.He essentially did it in 14 games, too, because he barely payed in the first two weeks (6 touches in those two games).

It is not reasonable to expect him to rush for a TD every 12.7 carries again in 2007, but it is reasonable to expect fewer TD's to be offset by more receptions and yardage. He was getting an average of 21 touches a game for the final four weeks of the season, and was absolutely huge. Jacksonville must keep him on the field, he's too good to not get involved.

If Taylor goes somewhere else, MJD is SOD. :championship:

 
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :banned:
like what? which ones?
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :goodposting:
Like which?I think a posting of the WSL rules is in order....
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :confused:
I value many of the players differently, but I think it's a realistic indication of perceived value for the most part. The one that did jump out at me as bizarre was Joseph Addai -- RB #8, Clinton Portis -- RB #13 :confused:
Some that really stand out to me:QBs

Young at QB 9 - we could be looking at the Vick fantasy football love fest all over again. I just don't see how you take him over guys like E. Manning, Leinert, Roeth and A.Smith.

Lefty at QB 25 - You'd think the guy wasn't even going to start being ranked that low.

RBs

Westy at RB 4 - I love Westy and think he is a great player. He just never stays healthy all year long. #4 seems a bit high considering.

Bush/Addai/Jones-Drew - These guys come in ranked 7th, 8th and 11th. Wow, I know they had great rookie years but they all still have another guy cometing strongly for touches in teh backfield. I think this is jumping the gun.

Portis - falling into the 2nd round is going to be a steal for someone on this guy.

T.Jones/J.Lewis/J.Jones - Unlike the rookie 3 of last year, thesse 3 seem to be way undervalued IMO. 26, 29 and 30 are the rankings of these 3 RBs. T.Jones finished as RB 21 last year, Lewis as RB 16 last year and J. Jones as RB 27.

WRs

I actually like most of these rankings. There is no way I would take Smith as the 1st WR, but that is splitting hairs. I think Colston is overrated at 10.
I took Lefty as my QB1 (@QB25), but also SSmith as 1WR overallkeep in mind, these are survivor drafts, not my rankings of these players...

Lefty had a nice start to the season last yr, and had a higher ppg avg than many that went ahead of him--I'll take my chances on him

I took Smith 1.13 overall, and probably could have landed him @2.3---I took CTaylor in the 2nd...the RB's I passed on were MJD, Portis, Edge & Deuce

regarding Smith...his 268.4 in this format was WR7---every WR ahead of him played in all 16 games

Smith missed 2 games at the beginning of the year, then was shut out in a game late in the season where Car went 4-7 in the air while running 40+ or 50 times---we could go 5+ more yrs and 1500 games before any team passes 7 times in a game!

all 6 WR's ahead of him posted single digit games, including this "survivor kiss of death" run by WR1 Harrison:

26.3--8.8--34.5--4.1--15.4--1.8--30.2

no thanks to that in this game, as Wayne(WR4) suffered the same type fate as the great games by Harrison usually meant a poor showing by Reggie

Steve Smith is the 1, 2 and 4 reads in Carolina...he gets the first 2 looks, then Key gets a nod and if he's covered, Smith gets the ball some how, some way...period

I'll take THAT guy in this format, over all the others

 
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Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :banned:
like what? which ones?
It could be the scoring, for example the 2 pts for TE recs, but I own both Gonzo and Winslow in a dynasty and I am positive I could not trade either for A.Peterson (essentially the 1.1 in rookie draft). I have several of the players ahead of M.Lynch, and I similarly can't fathom being able to trade them (R.Moss, T.Glenn, M.Barber, Gonzo, Winslow) for 1.2 in rookie drafts. Rookies and other young talents seem quite undervalued from my perspective.
It's not dynasty it's just redraft type survivor league.FWIW in a dynasty league, I'd trade Winslow but not Tony G for 1.1. Yet I'm not a fan of rookie picks in dynasty.
 
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Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :banned:
like what? which ones?
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :confused:
Like which?I think a posting of the WSL rules is in order....
Is it just me or do a lot of those rankings seem way off? :confused:
I value many of the players differently, but I think it's a realistic indication of perceived value for the most part. The one that did jump out at me as bizarre was Joseph Addai -- RB #8, Clinton Portis -- RB #13 :confused:
Some that really stand out to me:QBs

Young at QB 9 - we could be looking at the Vick fantasy football love fest all over again. I just don't see how you take him over guys like E. Manning, Leinert, Roeth and A.Smith.

Lefty at QB 25 - You'd think the guy wasn't even going to start being ranked that low.

RBs

Westy at RB 4 - I love Westy and think he is a great player. He just never stays healthy all year long. #4 seems a bit high considering.

Bush/Addai/Jones-Drew - These guys come in ranked 7th, 8th and 11th. Wow, I know they had great rookie years but they all still have another guy cometing strongly for touches in teh backfield. I think this is jumping the gun.

Portis - falling into the 2nd round is going to be a steal for someone on this guy.

T.Jones/J.Lewis/J.Jones - Unlike the rookie 3 of last year, thesse 3 seem to be way undervalued IMO. 26, 29 and 30 are the rankings of these 3 RBs. T.Jones finished as RB 21 last year, Lewis as RB 16 last year and J. Jones as RB 27.

WRs

I actually like most of these rankings. There is no way I would take Smith as the 1st WR, but that is splitting hairs. I think Colston is overrated at 10.
I took Lefty as my QB1 (@QB25), but also SSmith as 1WR overallkeep in mind, these are survivor drafts, not my rankings of these players...

Lefty had a nice start to the season last yr, and had a higher ppg avg than many that went ahead of him--I'll take my chances on him

I took Smith 1.13 overall, and probably could have landed him @2.3---I took CTaylor in the 2nd...the RB's I passed on were MJD, Portis, Edge & Deuce

regarding Smith...his 268.4 in this format was WR7---every WR ahead of him played in all 16 games

Smith missed 2 games at the beginning of the year, then was shut out in a game late in the season where Car went 4-7 in the air while running 40+ or 50 times---we could go 5+ more yrs and 1500 games before any team passes 7 times in a game!

all 6 WR's ahead of him posted single digit games, including this "survivor kiss of death" run by WR1 Harrison:

26.3--8.8--34.5--4.1--15.4--1.8--30.2

no thanks to that in this game, as Wayne(WR4) suffered the same type fate as the great games by Harrison usually meant a poor showing by Reggie

Steve Smith is the 1, 2 and 4 reads in Carolina...he gets the first 2 looks, then Key gets a nod and if he's covered, Smith gets the ball some how, some way...period

I'll take THAT guy in this format, over all the others
I'm with you. Which WRs should be taken ahead of Steve Smith? It's a weak draft for taking the 1st overall WR because nobody jumps out. But I think if I had to take a WR, it would be Smith. There are questions about all of them.Leftwich is obviously underrated, but I've talked about that so much lately that I figure I'm tuned out by now on his value.

 
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#11 MJD

#12 Ronnie Brown

#13 Clinton Portis

:banned:

MJD is waaaay overvalued and highly overhyped.
Jones-Drew finished 2006 as the #8 RB in this scoring system.He essentially did it in 14 games, too, because he barely payed in the first two weeks (6 touches in those two games).

It is not reasonable to expect him to rush for a TD every 12.7 carries again in 2007, but it is reasonable to expect fewer TD's to be offset by more receptions and yardage. He was getting an average of 21 touches a game for the final four weeks of the season, and was absolutely huge. Jacksonville must keep him on the field, he's too good to not get involved.

If Taylor goes somewhere else, MJD is SOD. :championship:
I agree.Jacksonville should trade away a back or two.

MJD could reasonably take "the lion's share" away from Freddy T first week of camp and be "the man".

 
I'm with you. Which WRs should be taken ahead of Steve Smith? It's a weak draft for taking the 1st overall WR because nobody jumps out. But I think if I had to take a WR, it would be Smith. There are questions about all of them.Leftwich is obviously underrated, but I've talked about that so much lately that I figure I'm tuned out by now on his value.
Chad Johnson could IMO. I could see someone preferring him. Smith's hammy+not a huge dropoff in stats or anything.
 
I'm with you. Which WRs should be taken ahead of Steve Smith? It's a weak draft for taking the 1st overall WR because nobody jumps out. But I think if I had to take a WR, it would be Smith. There are questions about all of them.

Leftwich is obviously underrated, but I've talked about that so much lately that I figure I'm tuned out by now on his value.
Chad Johnson could IMO. I could see someone preferring him. Smith's hammy+not a huge dropoff in stats or anything.
Chad had 2 more games than Smith and outscored him by 7.7 as WR6....and had 4 single digit games, including 3 in a row to finish the yearI still like Smith's cinsistency over every option "ahead" of him in the final positional rankings from last season

 
I was surprised Westbrook went so high, high yeah but...I expected Benson to go much earlier.Duckett sure fell out of favor fast.I don't think Baskett's locked up the #2 spot in Philly. Evans was much higher than I expected. Ward lower.
I started the westy trend at 1.04benson? I try not to get guys that are in RBBCDuckett has sucked for years nowAgree with baskettEvans is solidWard? getting long in the tooth
But why with Westy at 4? That bugger is banged up halfway thru week 1. Ward is the man in Pittsburgh, doesn't matter what Santonio or Nate or Heath do. When he's healthy he's getting alot of balls thrown his way. Wasn't he hurt this past season, early on?ALOT of rumors that Jones is gone from Chi-town. They seem to have more weight than previous years with Benson actually being a bit productive in 06. As has been discussed, Peterson is a "just fine" backup so they'd be coverred. If the Bills get Evans some help, I could see him being that good. Otherwise, I feel bad for the guy watching him. He has to work so hard to get open. This past year I whined they should put Roscoe in more. That bugger is exciting and a threat. At least the D would have to pay attention to him. If it was 3rd and more than 5, Evans was smotherred. Kudos to him for all the times he got open but geesh did he earn it. I disagree on Duckett. He had 8 TDs just two years ago, in fact 8,8, and 11 the previous 3. He didn't fit in in Washington and didn't get much use but ...eh well I disagree.
 
MJD's value will be hotly contested over the next several months.

I think Fred Taylor and/or Greg Jones could kep his product at or below 2006 levels. I like MJD, but HC Jack Del Rio surely noticed how healthy his 2 RBs stayed with the 2 RB system. I don't believe that he thinks that either back would have flourished nearly as much with a primary back. Both RBs and the team did much better with a shared time system.

Even if Fred Taylor is gone, Greg Jones is ridiculous value where I grabbed him (and most could get him, as he's a forgotten RB).

 
I was surprised Westbrook went so high, high yeah but...I expected Benson to go much earlier.Duckett sure fell out of favor fast.I don't think Baskett's locked up the #2 spot in Philly. Evans was much higher than I expected. Ward lower.
I started the westy trend at 1.04benson? I try not to get guys that are in RBBCDuckett has sucked for years nowAgree with baskettEvans is solidWard? getting long in the tooth
But why with Westy at 4? That bugger is banged up halfway thru week 1. Ward is the man in Pittsburgh, doesn't matter what Santonio or Nate or Heath do. When he's healthy he's getting alot of balls thrown his way. Wasn't he hurt this past season, early on?ALOT of rumors that Jones is gone from Chi-town. They seem to have more weight than previous years with Benson actually being a bit productive in 06. As has been discussed, Peterson is a "just fine" backup so they'd be coverred. If the Bills get Evans some help, I could see him being that good. Otherwise, I feel bad for the guy watching him. He has to work so hard to get open. This past year I whined they should put Roscoe in more. That bugger is exciting and a threat. At least the D would have to pay attention to him. If it was 3rd and more than 5, Evans was smotherred. Kudos to him for all the times he got open but geesh did he earn it. I disagree on Duckett. He had 8 TDs just two years ago, in fact 8,8, and 11 the previous 3. He didn't fit in in Washington and didn't get much use but ...eh well I disagree.
Biggest reason for Westy- PPR. The guy is a shoe in for 70 catches & 1,000 rushing = Money. Not only that he looked plenty heathly in playoffs vs NYG & NO to me.Let's look at the other options- Gore? Im not sold on him at 4, anywaySalexander's production will drop even more, I think seattle is a pass first team from now on, Hutch is gone, tobek & strong are retiring.
 
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Bri said:
Fear & Loathing said:
I'm with you. Which WRs should be taken ahead of Steve Smith? It's a weak draft for taking the 1st overall WR because nobody jumps out. But I think if I had to take a WR, it would be Smith. There are questions about all of them.Leftwich is obviously underrated, but I've talked about that so much lately that I figure I'm tuned out by now on his value.
Chad Johnson could IMO. I could see someone preferring him. Smith's hammy+not a huge dropoff in stats or anything.
I lobbied hard for Harrison at the #1 spot late last year. My reasoning was that he offers the best combination of consistency and true #1 potential. I stand by that for this year... at least for now.
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Jeff Pasquino said:
MJD's value will be hotly contested over the next several months.I think Fred Taylor and/or Greg Jones could kep his product at or below 2006 levels. I like MJD, but HC Jack Del Rio surely noticed how healthy his 2 RBs stayed with the 2 RB system. I don't believe that he thinks that either back would have flourished nearly as much with a primary back. Both RBs and the team did much better with a shared time system.Even if Fred Taylor is gone, Greg Jones is ridiculous value where I grabbed him (and most could get him, as he's a forgotten RB).
I absolutily love MJD! I drafted him as a rookie in my dynasty league and boy did he make an impact. I still can't see taking him that high in redrafts. To rate him that high I think you have to assume a projection of 14 or so TDs. I know the guy had 16 last year, but that is a lot of freaking TDs! It's not easy to repeat those kinds of things. Especially if you are splitting time with another talented RB. I hope MJD can produce as such again and do expect increases in his yds/touches. I don't think it will be enough to compensate the TDs however.
 
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#11 MJD

#12 Ronnie Brown

#13 Clinton Portis

:shrug:

MJD is waaaay overvalued and highly overhyped.
Jones-Drew finished 2006 as the #8 RB in this scoring system.He essentially did it in 14 games, too, because he barely payed in the first two weeks (6 touches in those two games).

It is not reasonable to expect him to rush for a TD every 12.7 carries again in 2007, but it is reasonable to expect fewer TD's to be offset by more receptions and yardage. He was getting an average of 21 touches a game for the final four weeks of the season, and was absolutely huge. Jacksonville must keep him on the field, he's too good to not get involved.

If Taylor goes somewhere else, MJD is SOD. :championship:
If "if' was a bag of chips, we'd all be fat and happy. I very seriously doubt he'd score a TD every 12.7 carries :thumbup: Jesus in cleats (LT2) doesn't score that much.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
MJD's value will be hotly contested over the next several months.I think Fred Taylor and/or Greg Jones could kep his product at or below 2006 levels. I like MJD, but HC Jack Del Rio surely noticed how healthy his 2 RBs stayed with the 2 RB system. I don't believe that he thinks that either back would have flourished nearly as much with a primary back. Both RBs and the team did much better with a shared time system.Even if Fred Taylor is gone, Greg Jones is ridiculous value where I grabbed him (and most could get him, as he's a forgotten RB).
:thumbup: DCs now have a file on him, he want be surprising anyone in 2007.
 
Fear & Loathing said:
I'm with you. Which WRs should be taken ahead of Steve Smith? It's a weak draft for taking the 1st overall WR because nobody jumps out. But I think if I had to take a WR, it would be Smith. There are questions about all of them.Leftwich is obviously underrated, but I've talked about that so much lately that I figure I'm tuned out by now on his value.
Bad year to have a WR need! I have the 5th pick on my biggest $$ league (limited keepers). I have Jackson/Brown so I'm thinking WR in the 1st. BUT, nothing jumps out at me (I know, its early). I think I'm going CJ (assuming no off season issues). And then hoping to get Harrison at #20. We'll see.
 
I realize that these ADP's relate to this unique league scoring/survivor format, but I'm wondering about the '07 rookie RB's listed.....

Do people think these ADP's would be resonable for an initial dynasty vet draft with '07 rooks included?

Looks like AD went @ 45 overall, MLynch @ 75, Mike Bush @ 171 and Kenny Irons @ 182. I know alot depends on what team/situation the guys land in, but should I assume that if I were in an initial dynasty draft that included rooks, that I would see guys like Mike Bush still available at overall pick 170+?

Thanks for any input.

 
I realize that these ADP's relate to this unique league scoring/survivor format, but I'm wondering about the '07 rookie RB's listed.....Do people think these ADP's would be resonable for an initial dynasty vet draft with '07 rooks included?Looks like AD went @ 45 overall, MLynch @ 75, Mike Bush @ 171 and Kenny Irons @ 182. I know alot depends on what team/situation the guys land in, but should I assume that if I were in an initial dynasty draft that included rooks, that I would see guys like Mike Bush still available at overall pick 170+?Thanks for any input.
no because it's dynasty and rookie backs are at a premium in dynasty leagues. This is redraft
 

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