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First Presidential Debate (1 Viewer)

RBM said:
If he slings the mud he gets called out for bullying a woman. She slings and gets praised for being aggressive. He's in a tricky spot. It sucks because he has so much material. 
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Objectively speaking, probably not a bad move.  He laid back a little tonight, wasn't nearly as bullying as he wanted to be...He can see what happens in the polls as a result and adjust.  He knows she's a typical politician and she'll be the same each time.  If he starts losing ground, he'll come out swinging and see what happens. 

 
RBM said:
If he slings the mud he gets called out for bullying a woman. She slings and gets praised for being aggressive. He's in a tricky spot. It sucks because he has so much material. 
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Things he actually said tonight:

Hillary is very mean to me.

I have a much better temperament

:lol:

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
If she was running against somebody who wasn't a ridiculous cartoon character and joke, you might have something there.

She is a bad candidate because she has so many negatives. You can say it is unfair and because of a smear job by that notoriously conservative American media or whatever, but the bottom line is she has so many negatives. The origin of them isn't really my point.

And even if the mean press wasn't out to get her, she would still have a total absence of charisma.

And, as P.J. O'Rourke put it, she is wrong about everything, but at least she is wrong within normal parameters.

With all that said, I certainly hope she beats Trump. 
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If you don't think that today's American media is conservative, as you implied that you do indeed believe above, here we must part company. 

I note your recursive argument that she has negatives, and darn it, there they are, so she must therefore be a bad candidate in your eyes.  So for you that's a settled question.  Or you could, you know, examine the reasons behind the negatives, find that they're mostly or completely lacking in substance, and go from there.  Whatever floats your boat :shrug:

I find Hillary "charismatic" just fine, BTW.  But even if I didn't, I don't require a woman to be charismatic in order to do and accomplish many things, including holding political office. 

 
Anyone else catch the post-game handshake?  Hillary shook Lester's hand and then he reached to shake Donald's.  Donald pivots away to someone else and Lester pulls his hand back to the "I was adjusting my hair/collar" move.  Cracked me up.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
All the terrible Bernie stuff.

None of the sensible stuff, like avoiding foreign interventions.

So maybe we will get a president that wants to spend like a Socialist on domestic freebies, while pursuing her neo-con light foregin policy adventures. 

This should be great for the country. Whee!
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Highly doubt that with all her corporate ties she follows through on most of those ideas that she adopted. I think we know what we're going to get with Hillary, not so much with Trump. 

 
say what you want about Clinton, but it's easy to poke away at people that have been in the spotlight for decades.  every single politician is a self serving scourge.  that said, I'll take the person that is married to a former 2 term president over someone that cares so much, they decided to run for office for the 1st time in their life at 70 yrs old.  I figure for all his faults, bill has at least sat at the adults tables.

 
I forgot that Trump brought Roger Ailes aboard. I guess that explains the "Hillary doesn't have the looks to be president" line.

 
Soootch said:
Hillary landed some good jabs but left a lot on the table too. On race especially -- nothing about Mexican rapists, judge Curiel, "my African American", retweeting white supremacists, or the Khans. He did himself in with all the lies and nonsequiturs way more than anything she hit him with.
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I have no doubt this was part of her very deliberate strategy.  And there are still two debates left including one more "head-to-head" matchup for her to bring those things up - although I honestly wonder if she shows up for either of them. 

 
Undecided voter: "I wanted to hear more about campaign finance reform."

:lmao:   Yeah, the two political parties want to shut that spigot off as soon as they can. 

 
Clinton crushed him and it could have been much, much worse. She left a ton of opportunities on the table.

Have to look up the other formats if one allows more back and forth with someone actually controlling what they are talking about Trump is a dead man.

 
Aerial Assault said:
If you don't think that today's American media is conservative, as you implied that you do indeed believe above, here we must part company. 

I note your recursive argument that she has negatives, and darn it, there they are, so she must therefore be a bad candidate in your eyes.  So for you that's a settled question.  Or you could, you know, examine the reasons behind the negatives, find that they're mostly or completely lacking in substance, and go from there.  Whatever floats your boat :shrug:

I find Hillary "charismatic" just fine, BTW.  But even if I didn't, I don't require a woman to be charismatic in order to do and accomplish many things, including holding political office. 
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It isn't about me or you. She has negatives because an awful lot of people, who ought to like her just fine, don't.

The reasons for that might be interesting to discuss, but nobody can just wave a magic wand and make those negatives go away. Believe me, if that were possible her campaign would have bought 10,000 magic wands by now.

You can deny them if you like, but they still, you know, exist.

And no, I don't think the mainstream media is conservative. Nor do I think it is massively liberal. Real journalists tend to be liberal, but there are few of them left. And, sure there are specific media products tailored for the right wing. The rest of the media (which is the vast majority) is basically mercenary--they are chasing ratings, clicks and money. Nothing more, nothing less.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
It isn't about me or you. She has negatives because an awful lot of people, who ought to like her just fine, don't.

The reasons for that might be interesting to discuss, but nobody can just wave a magic wand and make those negatives go away. Believe me, if that were possible her campaign would have bought 10,000 magic wands by now.

You can deny them if you like, but they still, you know, exist.

And no, I don't think the mainstream media is conservative. Nor do I think it is massively liberal. Real journalists tend to be liberal, but there are few of them left. And, sure there are specific media products tailored for the right wing. The rest of the media (which is the vast majority) is basically mercenary--they are chasing ratings, clicks and money. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I'm not denying them.  I explicitly acknowledged them from the start of our exchange. 

I mostly agree with the rest of your post. 

 
bud29 said:
Highly doubt that with all her corporate ties she follows through on most of those ideas that she adopted. I think we know what we're going to get with Hillary, not so much with Trump. 
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I agree with this. 

And that is why she is still struggling with the foolish youthful vote. They may be economic illiterates and want to be coddled, but they are still cynical enough to know that they are being lied to.

 
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