Fitz value if Warner retires... (1 Viewer)

[Black]

In Dynasty PPR...what do you think is Fitzgerald's value if Warner retires?

Would you think there would be a year or so of running Leinert out there until they find a better solution at QB, does ARI believe in Leinert, or do they address the QB situation immediately?

I'm a bit worried about this...

 

[Spaz]

You're right to be worried, but Fitzgerald is such an elite talent I can't see him being moved for anyone outside Calvin/Vincent/AJ.

Unless you get a mind blowing offer you have to hold.

Talent >>>>>>situation.

 

[KellysHeroes]

gawd I hope Boldin gets out of there when Warner retires

 

[golfguy]

i think AZ knows at this point that leinart just flat out is not an NFL QB. doesn't have the arm strength.

that being said, larry was putting up good numbers b4 warner and will do so without him.

an elite wr can make a decent qb look great.

an elite qb can't help an avg wr anywhere near as much. IMO.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I think you need look no further than Steve Smith's numbers in 2006, 2007 and 2009.

1166/8

1002/7

982/7

An elite player can produce regardless of situation over the course of a season. However, there are going to be games where the QB throws for about 100 yards.

If Warner is gone, Fitz goes from a perennial 1400/10 player to a 1100/7.

 

[gman8343]

If Warner is gone, Fitz goes from a perennial 1400/10 player to a 1100/7.

Then he becomes Derrick Mason/Donald Driver. That would be a huge blow.

 

[Sinrman]

If Warner is gone, Fitz goes from a perennial 1400/10 player to a 1100/7.

Then he becomes Derrick Mason/Donald Driver. That would be a huge blow.

Yeah it would be a pretty significant drop for him. Elite talent, but the QB brings his value down a good bit. Leinart is NOT the answer.

 

[SSOG]

If you take the numbers that Fitz put up with Leinart and McCown and pro-rate them, it'd make for a 90/1200 type season. And this was with ROOKIE Leinart. Even if Leinart is bad, I doubt he's worse than he was as a rookie, which means that 90+ receptions and 1200+ yards will still likely be par for the course. The TDs will probably drop, but mostly because Arizona's offensive TDs as a whole will probably drop. Smaller pie = smaller slice.

 

[DenverBroncos]

Fitz will still be a top WR without Warner, but he will drop from a top 3 guy to a top 10-12 so that could be pretty significant. I'd try to flip Fitz for Calvin Johnson if possible.

 

[az_prof]

Fitz will still be a top WR without Warner, but he will drop from a top 3 guy to a top 10-12 so that could be pretty significant. I'd try to flip Fitz for Calvin Johnson if possible.

I agree with this.

 

[tonka]

I think Boldin moving on to another team will mean more targets for Fitz and it will help to mitigate any loss in fantasy value that he suffers from a QB change.

Trading him for anyone other than Andre Johnson and maybe Calvin Johnson is probably a huge mistake.

 

[Brewzers]

If Warner is gone, Fitz goes from a perennial 1400/10 player to a 1100/7.

Then he becomes Derrick Mason/Donald Driver. That would be a huge blow.

Yeah it would be a pretty significant drop for him. Elite talent, but the QB brings his value down a good bit. Leinart is NOT the answer.

Why is Leinart not the answer? I can't imagine AZ carrying this guy for 3 years if they didn't think he had something.

 

[otis68]

I think you need look no further than Steve Smith's numbers in 2006, 2007 and 2009.1166/81002/7982/7An elite player can produce regardless of situation over the course of a season. However, there are going to be games where the QB throws for about 100 yards. If Warner is gone, Fitz goes from a perennial 1400/10 player to a 1100/7.

You left out Steve Smith, 5'9", 185#, Larry Fitzgerald, 6'3", 220#.

 

[Young 8]

Leinart = Carr

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I think you need look no further than Steve Smith's numbers in 2006, 2007 and 2009.1166/81002/7982/7An elite player can produce regardless of situation over the course of a season. However, there are going to be games where the QB throws for about 100 yards. If Warner is gone, Fitz goes from a perennial 1400/10 player to a 1100/7.

You left out Steve Smith, 5'9", 185#, Larry Fitzgerald, 6'3", 220#.

5'9" 185# put up 1563 and 1421 yards in 2005 and 2008 respectively. Fitzgeralds career best is 1431. They are just totally different WRs. Smith has quicks that Fitzgerald could only dream about. If Boldin and Warner leave it will be bad news for Fitz. Make no mistake about that. The Cards will score less, and become a more run oriented team. From what I've seen out of Leinart the last few weeks, he looks like he'll put his WRs in the hospital. If I had Fitzgerald, I would absolutely try to deal him for Andre or Calvin Johnson. Obviously it would be a mistake not to get another stud in return for Fitz, but I think now is the time to get that other guy.

 

[Resident A]

If Warner retires, it's not just the QB you'd have to worry about. The Cards would have to completely re-tool their offensive philosophy. Beanie Wells would become the bell cow & they'd likely be running the ball more than 50% of the time.

While I think the Steve Smith comparisons with a crappy QB/running team is valid, Fitz is much more of a RZ threat than Smith. His catches & yards would certainly drop, but he'll still be a strong candidate for 8-10 TDs.

Fitz would go from top-3, to borderline top-10. Though Boldin moving on could help him approach top-5.

 

[FFCardsFan]

If Warner retires, Fitz might drop a little but definitely not out of the top 10. If/when Boldin leaves he will be a top 20 guy, unless he ends up in a similar situation that he is in now, with a definite stud on the other side. I love Boldin as much as the next guy, but I really do not think he can carry the load as a teams clear cut #1 wr. If/when Warner retires, Wells and Hightower get big boosts. Wells showed some flashes this year that, if he can just hold on to the pig (big if), he can be a stud.

 

[moderated]

If Warner retires, Fitz might drop a little but definitely not out of the top 10. If/when Boldin leaves he will be a top 20 guy, unless he ends up in a similar situation that he is in now, with a definite stud on the other side. I love Boldin as much as the next guy, but I really do not think he can carry the load as a teams clear cut #1 wr. If/when Warner retires, Wells and Hightower get big boosts. Wells showed some flashes this year that, if he can just hold on to the pig (big if), he can be a stud.

Fitz's yards should actually go up with Leinart verses last season, but his TD's down.Warner couldn't throw the ball over 20 yards this past season which made Fitz one dimensional and took away one of his greatest strengths of going up and grabbing the deep ball.

 

[tikitime]

If Warner retires, Fitz might drop a little but definitely not out of the top 10. If/when Boldin leaves he will be a top 20 guy, unless he ends up in a similar situation that he is in now, with a definite stud on the other side. I love Boldin as much as the next guy, but I really do not think he can carry the load as a teams clear cut #1 wr. If/when Warner retires, Wells and Hightower get big boosts. Wells showed some flashes this year that, if he can just hold on to the pig (big if), he can be a stud.

Fitz's yards should actually go up with Leinart verses last season, but his TD's down.Warner couldn't throw the ball over 20 yards this past season which made Fitz one dimensional and took away one of his greatest strengths of going up and grabbing the deep ball.

Right....because everybody knows that the best part of Leinart's game is his arm strength.

 

[jurb26]

If Warner retires, it's not just the QB you'd have to worry about. The Cards would have to completely re-tool their offensive philosophy. Beanie Wells would become the bell cow & they'd likely be running the ball more than 50% of the time.While I think the Steve Smith comparisons with a crappy QB/running team is valid, Fitz is much more of a RZ threat than Smith. His catches & yards would certainly drop, but he'll still be a strong candidate for 8-10 TDs.Fitz would go from top-3, to borderline top-10. Though Boldin moving on could help him approach top-5.

This is what I'd be most concerned with. A change in philosophy by Arz. To be honest I think it's inevitable given that Wizz is calling the shots. The team has been playing to it's strength though over the past few years. If Warner is gone then that may be the trigger to really rethink things and adapt.

 

[AYBABTUS]

If Warner retires, Fitz might drop a little but definitely not out of the top 10. If/when Boldin leaves he will be a top 20 guy, unless he ends up in a similar situation that he is in now, with a definite stud on the other side. I love Boldin as much as the next guy, but I really do not think he can carry the load as a teams clear cut #1 wr. If/when Warner retires, Wells and Hightower get big boosts. Wells showed some flashes this year that, if he can just hold on to the pig (big if), he can be a stud.

I've seen this sentiment a lot and don't really understand it. He had a 101/1377/8 year before Fitz was there and that was with Blake and McCown throwing him the ball. When healthy I think Boldin can clearly be a #1 WR for whatever his next team is.

 

[todisco1]

If Warner retires, Fitz might drop a little but definitely not out of the top 10. If/when Boldin leaves he will be a top 20 guy, unless he ends up in a similar situation that he is in now, with a definite stud on the other side. I love Boldin as much as the next guy, but I really do not think he can carry the load as a teams clear cut #1 wr. If/when Warner retires, Wells and Hightower get big boosts. Wells showed some flashes this year that, if he can just hold on to the pig (big if), he can be a stud.

I've seen this sentiment a lot and don't really understand it. He had a 101/1377/8 year before Fitz was there and that was with Blake and McCown throwing him the ball. When healthy I think Boldin can clearly be a #1 WR for whatever his next team is.

When he's not injured, he could easily be a #1. But he's injured a lot.

 

[AYBABTUS]

If Warner retires, Fitz might drop a little but definitely not out of the top 10. If/when Boldin leaves he will be a top 20 guy, unless he ends up in a similar situation that he is in now, with a definite stud on the other side. I love Boldin as much as the next guy, but I really do not think he can carry the load as a teams clear cut #1 wr. If/when Warner retires, Wells and Hightower get big boosts. Wells showed some flashes this year that, if he can just hold on to the pig (big if), he can be a stud.

I've seen this sentiment a lot and don't really understand it. He had a 101/1377/8 year before Fitz was there and that was with Blake and McCown throwing him the ball. When healthy I think Boldin can clearly be a #1 WR for whatever his next team is.

When he's not injured, he could easily be a #1. But he's injured a lot.

Missed 17 games in 7 years. So can't argue that he's not injured quite a bit. But the sentiment I'm seeing is that he is not a capable #1 WR and I just can't see that argument.

 

[travdogg]

If Warner retires, Fitz might drop a little but definitely not out of the top 10. If/when Boldin leaves he will be a top 20 guy, unless he ends up in a similar situation that he is in now, with a definite stud on the other side. I love Boldin as much as the next guy, but I really do not think he can carry the load as a teams clear cut #1 wr. If/when Warner retires, Wells and Hightower get big boosts. Wells showed some flashes this year that, if he can just hold on to the pig (big if), he can be a stud.

I've seen this sentiment a lot and don't really understand it. He had a 101/1377/8 year before Fitz was there and that was with Blake and McCown throwing him the ball. When healthy I think Boldin can clearly be a #1 WR for whatever his next team is.

When he's not injured, he could easily be a #1. But he's injured a lot.

Missed 17 games in 7 years. So can't argue that he's not injured quite a bit. But the sentiment I'm seeing is that he is not a capable #1 WR and I just can't see that argument.

I'm not sure that 2003 season is very relevant. I think due to injuries, Boldin just isn't as talented now as he was then. I can see him being a decent #1 on another team, but I feel very strongly that he's peaked as an NFL player. Fantasy-wise, he'll miss Fitz a lot more than Fitz(or the Cardinals organization) will miss him.

 

[Statorama]

If Warner retires, it'll be a great time to snatch Fitz on the cheap from a panicked owner.