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Is it time to sell Fitz?

I've seen nothing from Lienart to convince me otherwise and Arizona does not seem to be interested in any other QB's. The departure of Boldin will almost certainly mean more opportunity for Fitz, and historically he has posted better stats with Boldin out, but that was with Warner throwing the ball. If you're a Fitz owner are you selling now while he still has some value, or do you hold and hope that Lienart comes through?

 
Is it time to sell Fitz?I've seen nothing from Lienart to convince me otherwise and Arizona does not seem to be interested in any other QB's. The departure of Boldin will almost certainly mean more opportunity for Fitz, and historically he has posted better stats with Boldin out, but that was with Warner throwing the ball. If you're a Fitz owner are you selling now while he still has some value, or do you hold and hope that Lienart comes through?
from what i remember, didnt fitz excel with shaun king throwing him the ball? you'd have to give up a hell of a lot to get me to deal that guy.
 
BUY

He has already produced with a young Leinart along with Boldin as a 1A getting many looks.

If Leinart does not pan out it should be a fairly quick trigger finger.

 
I can't see how his value can be equal or more than it was last season.

Minus Warner

Minus Boldin

If someone out there places him at 2009 value, I would be a seller.

 
Buy buy buy buy.

He will be used all over the place this season. Here are some numbers worth reviewing from ESPN's NFC West Blog:

Fitz without Boldin

Fitz without Warner

Fitz without Warner or Boldin
IMO the post for stats without Warner is misleading, at least with respect to the performance that is cited with Leinart. Previous post:
I'm going to just focus on Fitz for now. This discussion will also apply to others in the offense in different ways, but that's for another post/discussion.

There are really two issues to be considered here with regard to the impact on Fitz's performance going forward. First, how will his targets in 2010 and beyond compare to the targets he has received in recent years? Second, how will his production per target compare to what it was in recent years?

I looked up some data for Fitz and Leinart. Given that it's hard to account for times when Leinart relieved another QB vs. when he was pulled for another QB, I just chose all games in which both played and Leinart had 20 or more passing attempts and compared them to all of Fitz's other games (regular season and postseason) from 2006 to 2009, since Leinart joined the team in 2006. Here's the data:

Games in which Fitzgerald played and Leinart had 20+ pass attempts:

12 games, 97 targets, 60 receptions, 742 receiving yards (12.4 ypr), 4 TDs

Per 16 games, this scales to 129 targets, 80 receptions, 989 receiving yards, 5 TDs

All other games (regular season and postseason) played by Fitzgerald from 2006 to 2009:

54 games, 533 targets, 345 receptions, 4847 receiving yards (14 ypr), 46 TDs

Per 16 games, this scales to 158 targets, 102 receptions, 1436 receiving yards, 14 TDs

Obviously there is an enormous difference. This suggests that Leinart will indeed have a negative impact on Fitz's numbers. With Leinart, Fitz averaged fewer targets and his production per target was lower.

Of course, one might argue that Leinart has a chance to be better this year, especially since if he is going to be the starter he will have the chance to work all offseason and preseason with Fitz and the rest of the first team offense. But can that make up this huge gap? I seriously doubt it.

And I'd be concerned that with Warner out and Leinart in, the offense will shift to a more balanced attack, with more running and less passing. Check out where the offense ranked in passing and rushing attempts over the past 4 seasons:

2006 - #7 in passing attempts, #26 in rushing attempts

2007 - #2 in passing attempts, #25 in rushing attempts

2008 - #2 in passing attempts, #32 in rushing attempts

2009 - #3 in passing attempts, #32 in rushing attempts

I expect Whisenhunt to adjust to a more balanced attack going forward, given that he will no longer have one of the best passing QBs in the NFL.

I suppose if the Cardinals traded for McNabb or somehow otherwise obtained a potential top 10 caliber QB, Fitz could be alright. But otherwise, I fully expect him to dropoff from his performance in recent years. His talent hasn't changed, and he will still certainly be a top 20 WR, maybe still a top 10 WR. But if I had him in a dynasty league, I'd strongly consider trading him if he would still bring similar value to what he would have brought last year.
 
I'm not really sure how (or whether) this fits into the conversation, but I just realized with the departure of Boldin and Urban, Arizona only has three WRs with any NFL experience -- Fitz, Breaston, and Doucet. And they really don't have a good pass-catching TE (Patrick had 12 catches last year).

I'm sure they'll add WRs, but they will likely be bit players. It seems to me that although Fitz may be dealing with a smaller pie in 2010 due to Leinart and the changing run v. pass philosophy, the slices dished out to the three main guys will be bigger.

Buyer or seller of Fitz? He's an elite player in his prime. I'd always be a buyer of that.

 
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I'm not really sure how (or whether) this fits into the conversation, but I just realized with the departure of Boldin and Urban, Arizona only has three WRs with any NFL experience -- Fitz, Breaston, and Doucet. And they really don't have a good pass-catching TE (Patrick had 12 catches last year).I'm sure they'll add WRs, but they will likely be bit players. It seems to me that although Fitz may be dealing with a smaller pie in 2010 due to Leinart and the changing run v. pass philosophy, the slices dished out to the three main guys will be bigger. Buyer or seller of Fitz? He's an elite player in his prime. I'd always be a buyer of that.
In the dynasty rankings thread, SSOG had a conversation about this and I reasoned out what seems to be a reasonable expectation for targets in the short term. I think Fitz is likely to get around the same number of targets he got in 2009 in the next year or two (too hard to project further than that). That fits the bigger piece of the smaller pie scenario.So the real question is how much his productivity per target drops. Per my post above, with Leinart, Fitz has averaged approximately 1 point per target so far in his career (non PPR FBG scoring). With all other QBs combined, he averaged 1.44 points per target. One can quibble with the methodology I used for separating games, but IMO it is clear that we should expect his productivity to drop. I guess that's not exactly earth shattering considering the move from Warner to Leinart... but if it was to drop by as much as 1.44 to 1, it could be enough to put him near the bottom of the top 20. (Last year it would have put him around 17th).Perhaps Leinart will improve with maturity and more practice time as the starter... perhaps Fitz is still improving or has improved since some of those previous games with Leinart... but IMO he is far from the lock to finish top 10 that others think he is. To me, this makes him overrated at this time.
 

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