Five years later -- the 2001 NFL draft (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Link to 2001 draft

Check out the WRs drafted in the first three rounds in 2001. If Detroit's drafts over the past three years isn't enough evidence why you shouldn't draft a WR in the first round, this 2001 draft is another excellent example. For every 1st round stud like Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss, there are many more 1st round WR busts. Four of the six 1st rounders in the draft below were busts, and the two good WRs (Moss and Wayne) were drafted in the second half of the round.

It's bad enough that those four busts (five, if you include Quincy Morgan) were drafted ahead of Chad Johnson... but Steve Smith lasting until 3.12 was amazing value. I guess the scouts questioned Smith's size, and the fact that he didn't play in a great conference. But man oh man, could you imagine if the Skins had Smith right now instead of wasting that pick on Gardner? Or if Philly took him at 1.25 and was able to pair him with T.O. last season.

Smith falling to 3.12 is certainly not as much of a steal as Tom Brady and Terrell Davis still being around in the 6th round, but in hindsight, it's pretty interesting.

1.08 Chicago - David Terrell, Michigan

1.09 Seattle - Koren Robinson, North Carolina State

1.15 Washington - Rod Gardner, Clemson

1.16 N.Y. Jets - Santana Moss, Miami

1.25 Philadelphia - Freddie Mitchell, UCLA

1.30 Indianapolis - Reggie Wayne, Miami

2.02 Cleveland - Quincy Morgan, Kansas State

2.05 Cincinnati - Chad Johnson, Oregon State

2.10 Green Bay - Robert Ferguson, Texas A&M

2.22 Miami - Chris Chambers, Wisconsin

3.12 Carolina - Steve Smith, Utah

3.15 Kansas City - Marvin Minnis, Florida State

 

[fridayfrenzy]

This is the proper time frame when rookies should be evaluated. I do not like when rookies are considerd busts if they do not produce right away.

 

[Raider Nation]

This is the proper time frame when rookies should be evaluated. I do not like when rookies are considerd busts if they do not produce right away.

So then, you think it would be safe to call Terrell a bust at this point?

 

[Capella]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT. Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Ouch, Freddie Mitchell 25th overall.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

 

[Capella]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Had no idea Tui was a 2nd-rd pick. Thought he was rd 4 for some reason.

Sheesh..

 

[Keys Myaths]

How about Cincy?1st: Justin Smith2nd: Chad Johnson4th: Rudi Johnson7th: T.J. HoushamandzadehWow.

 

[coolnerd]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Had no idea Tui was a 2nd-rd pick. Thought he was rd 4 for some reason.

Sheesh..

Because he is a should have been a 4th round pick.

 

[Raider Nation]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

 

[Keys Myaths]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

 

[Raider Nation]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Had no idea Tui was a 2nd-rd pick. Thought he was rd 4 for some reason.

Sheesh..

Because he is a should have been a 4th round pick.

He shouldn't have even been taken that high. He ran all over a bunch of slow, white Purdue kids in the Rose Bowl, and Al fell in love with him. He was never great from the pocket.

 

[Raider Nation]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

 

[Keys Myaths]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

 

[Raider Nation]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

C'mon. Be serious. With Rudi in the backfield, and Palmer throwing to C.J. & Smith outside, Cincy would score 40 PPG. T.J. is a nice player, but Steve Smith he is not. You don't pass up a chance to have two Top-5 WRs on the same team. It's not like Justin Smith is the second coming of Reggie White.

 

[Keys Myaths]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

C'mon. Be serious. With Rudi in the backfield, and Palmer throwing to C.J. & Smith outside, Cincy would score 40 PPG. T.J. is a nice player, but Steve Smith he is not. You don't pass up a chance to have two Top-5 WRs on the same team. It's not like Justin Smith is the second coming of Reggie White.

I am serious. Smith and Chad are both guys who need the ball...and need to be the guy, and need to have the attention.Both on the same team?

You'd get the same answer when Randy Moss was asked if T.O. could come to Oakland.

"Yes, but then, I wouldn't be here."

 

[Shark Attack]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Not so bad for them really. In 2000 they took Janikowski two picks BEFORE Shawn Alexander in round ONE. That may be one of the worst picks in the history of the draft. WOW looking at this first round of the 2000 draft is just has to be the worst round one ever. Just take a look at the crap that went in the first round. At least 20 of the picks were total busts, maybe even more. That has to be the worst first round ever. I see only 5-6 teams that may have gotten their moneys worth in that draft. UGLY stuff..check this out.

Sel# Team Player Pos. School

1 Cleveland Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2 Washington LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State

3 Washington Chris Samuels T Alabama

4 Cincinnati Peter Warrick WR Florida State

5 Baltimore Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee **

6 Philadelphia Corey Simon DT Florida State

7 Arizona Thomas Jones RB Virginia

8 Pittsburgh Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State

9 Chicago Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico*******

10 Baltimore Travis Taylor WR Florida

11 N.Y. Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin

12 N.Y. Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee

13 N.Y. Jets John Abraham DE South Carolina**

14 Green Bay Bubba Franks TE Miami

15 Denver Deltha O'Neal CB California

16 San Francisco Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State**

17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State

18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall

19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama *******

20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma?

21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State

22 Seattle Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin

23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State

24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State

25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College

26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State

27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia

28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young

29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California

30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse***

31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona

full draft below

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2000

 

[Raider Nation]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

C'mon. Be serious. With Rudi in the backfield, and Palmer throwing to C.J. & Smith outside, Cincy would score 40 PPG. T.J. is a nice player, but Steve Smith he is not. You don't pass up a chance to have two Top-5 WRs on the same team. It's not like Justin Smith is the second coming of Reggie White.

I am serious. Smith and Chad are both guys who need the ball...and need to be the guy, and need to have the attention.Both on the same team?

You'd get the same answer when Randy Moss was asked if T.O. could come to Oakland.

"Yes, but then, I wouldn't be here."

How'd it work out for Jerry Rice and John Taylor?Taylor would have been THE GUY on most other teams not named San Francisco.

 

[Keys Myaths]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

C'mon. Be serious. With Rudi in the backfield, and Palmer throwing to C.J. & Smith outside, Cincy would score 40 PPG. T.J. is a nice player, but Steve Smith he is not. You don't pass up a chance to have two Top-5 WRs on the same team. It's not like Justin Smith is the second coming of Reggie White.

I am serious. Smith and Chad are both guys who need the ball...and need to be the guy, and need to have the attention.Both on the same team?

You'd get the same answer when Randy Moss was asked if T.O. could come to Oakland.

"Yes, but then, I wouldn't be here."

How'd it work out for Jerry Rice and John Taylor?Taylor would have been THE GUY on most other teams not named San Francisco.

Taylor and Rice had much more of team-first attitudes than Chad Johnson and Steve Smith.John Taylor never had to have reporters laughing around him, and fans wondering what end zone dance he'd do next...(the attention all on him). Chad does. So does Steve.

It wouldn't work.

Edit: You're looking at my argument the wrong way, methinks. Mine's just based on the personality of the two, and both *needing* the attention of being a #1 guy...not just having two #1 talents on the same team. Arizona works because neither Fitz or Boldin have the "pay attention to me now!" attitudes (and their defense/running game sucks so much that they get tons of balls anyway).

 

[Raider Nation]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

C'mon. Be serious. With Rudi in the backfield, and Palmer throwing to C.J. & Smith outside, Cincy would score 40 PPG. T.J. is a nice player, but Steve Smith he is not. You don't pass up a chance to have two Top-5 WRs on the same team. It's not like Justin Smith is the second coming of Reggie White.

I am serious. Smith and Chad are both guys who need the ball...and need to be the guy, and need to have the attention.Both on the same team?

You'd get the same answer when Randy Moss was asked if T.O. could come to Oakland.

"Yes, but then, I wouldn't be here."

How'd it work out for Jerry Rice and John Taylor?Taylor would have been THE GUY on most other teams not named San Francisco.

Taylor and Rice had much more of team-first attitudes than Chad Johnson and Steve Smith.John Taylor never had to have reporters laughing around him, and fans wondering what end zone dance he'd do next...(the attention all on him). Chad does. So does Steve.

It wouldn't work.

Are you aware that Steve Smith and Chad Johnson are extremely close friends?

 

[Keys Myaths]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th: T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

C'mon. Be serious. With Rudi in the backfield, and Palmer throwing to C.J. & Smith outside, Cincy would score 40 PPG. T.J. is a nice player, but Steve Smith he is not. You don't pass up a chance to have two Top-5 WRs on the same team. It's not like Justin Smith is the second coming of Reggie White.

I am serious. Smith and Chad are both guys who need the ball...and need to be the guy, and need to have the attention.Both on the same team?

You'd get the same answer when Randy Moss was asked if T.O. could come to Oakland.

"Yes, but then, I wouldn't be here."

How'd it work out for Jerry Rice and John Taylor?Taylor would have been THE GUY on most other teams not named San Francisco.

Taylor and Rice had much more of team-first attitudes than Chad Johnson and Steve Smith.John Taylor never had to have reporters laughing around him, and fans wondering what end zone dance he'd do next...(the attention all on him). Chad does. So does Steve.

It wouldn't work.

Are you aware that Steve Smith and Chad Johnson are extremely close friends?

You're still missing my argument. Has nothing to do with them being friends.Michael Irvin and TO are good friends. If they played on the same team now, they'd have serious issues (not with each other, but with the "way they were used in the offense")

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Looking back it didnt do much but KC didnt have a pick until 3.13. We used #1 on Trent Green, and gave up a 2 for Vermeil......at the time I thought it was an okay deal. I also thought Minnis might pan out....but he lacked the toughness to play WR in the NFL. I have always wondered if the Panthers pass on Smith @ 3.12, if we would've grabbed him @ 3.13, where we took a NT that sucked named Eric Downing. Considering we grabbed Minnis two spots later, I have to think Smith wouldve been a CHief.

 

[Raider Nation]

You're still missing my argument. Has nothing to do with them being friends.

Michael Irvin and TO are good friends. If they played on the same team now, they'd have serious issues (not with each other, but with the "way they were used in the offense")

I didn't miss your argument at all. You are claiming that they are each players who will demand the ball. I agree. However, I know that they are best of friends, which means that they might acquiesce to sharing the ball for the good of the team.But maybe I'm dreaming.

 

[Raider Nation]

Looking back it didnt do much but KC didnt have a pick until 3.13. We used #1 on Trent Green, and gave up a 2 for Vermeil......at the time I thought it was an okay deal.

I also thought Minnis might pan out....but he lacked the toughness to play WR in the NFL. I have always wondered if the Panthers pass on Smith @ 3.12, if we would've grabbed him @ 3.13, where we took a NT that sucked named Eric Downing. Considering we grabbed Minnis two spots later, I have to think Smith wouldve been a CHief.

...and done absoutely nothing until being traded to New Orleans.Sound familiar?

 

[Keys Myaths]

You're still missing my argument. Has nothing to do with them being friends.

Michael Irvin and TO are good friends. If they played on the same team now, they'd have serious issues (not with each other, but with the "way they were used in the offense")

I didn't miss your argument at all. You are claiming that they are each players who will demand the ball. I agree. However, I know that they are best of friends, which means that they might acquiesce to sharing the ball for the good of the team.But maybe I'm dreaming.

Oh, I might be too. I'm sure there's a 50% chance I'm wrong about this...but there's nothing else to discuss at 11:09 PM.I just wonder if friendship would really trump their (especially Chad's) insatiable need for attention. That's all.

 

[Shark Attack]

You're still missing my argument.  Has nothing to do with them being friends.

Michael Irvin and TO are good friends.  If they played on the same team now, they'd have serious issues (not with each other, but with the "way they were used in the offense")

I didn't miss your argument at all. You are claiming that they are each players who will demand the ball. I agree. However, I know that they are best of friends, which means that they might acquiesce to sharing the ball for the good of the team.But maybe I'm dreaming.

Oh, I might be too. I'm sure there's a 50% chance I'm wrong about this...but there's nothing else to discuss at 11:09 PM.I just wonder if friendship would really trump their (especially Chad's) insatiable need for attention. That's all.

Winning a superbowl would. Smith, Chad outside and TJ in the slot would be as dangerous as any three WR's ever and with Palmer and Rudi there SB's would be in there future for sure. D or not. We would be talking about having possibly three or four legit MVP's on the same offense or as we say around here..forgetaboutit.

 

[Capella]

Keys>you're looking at this the wrong way. If the Panthers called the Bengals about the swap tomorrow, Cincy would say 'yes' without any hesitation, based solely on the fact that Steve's respective value to other teams in potential trades is so much greater.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Keys>you're looking at this the wrong way. If the Panthers called the Bengals about the swap tomorrow, Cincy would say 'yes' without any hesitation, based solely on the fact that Steve's respective value to other teams in potential trades is so much greater.

I still don't know...You're losing the anchor of your defense here...unless there was a third party that gives you someone better defensively than Smith back, I'd be very hesitant.

Cincy's set on offense...if they're going to trade for anything, they're not going to trade what good they do have on defense for more offensive help.

 

[SSOG]

Link to 2001 draft

Check out the WRs drafted in the first three rounds in 2001. If Detroit's drafts over the past three years isn't enough evidence why you shouldn't draft a WR in the first round, this 2001 draft is another excellent example. For every 1st round stud like Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss, there are many more 1st round WR busts. Four of the six 1st rounders in the draft below were busts, and the two good WRs (Moss and Wayne) were drafted in the second half of the round.

It's bad enough that those four busts (five, if you include Quincy Morgan) were drafted ahead of Chad Johnson... but Steve Smith lasting until 3.12 was amazing value. I guess the scouts questioned Smith's size, and the fact that he didn't play in a great conference. But man oh man, could you imagine if the Skins had Smith right now instead of wasting that pick on Gardner? Or if Philly took him at 1.25 and was able to pair him with T.O. last season.

Smith falling to 3.12 is certainly not as much of a steal as Tom Brady and Terrell Davis still being around in the 6th round, but in hindsight, it's pretty interesting.

1.08 Chicago - David Terrell, Michigan

1.09 Seattle - Koren Robinson, North Carolina State

1.15 Washington - Rod Gardner, Clemson

1.16 N.Y. Jets - Santana Moss, Miami

1.25 Philadelphia - Freddie Mitchell, UCLA

1.30 Indianapolis - Reggie Wayne, Miami

2.02 Cleveland - Quincy Morgan, Kansas State

2.05 Cincinnati - Chad Johnson, Oregon State

2.10 Green Bay - Robert Ferguson, Texas A&M

2.22 Miami - Chris Chambers, Wisconsin

3.12 Carolina - Steve Smith, Utah

3.15 Kansas City - Marvin Minnis, Florida State

This is exactly why I always laugh whenever people mention Detroit's "weapons" at WR, and whenever people rank Detroit's WR corps in the top 50% of the league.Could you imagine a team with such weapons as David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner, Freddie Mitchell, and Quincy Morgan all lining up with the QB in the shotgun?

 

[cstu]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Not so bad for them really. In 2000 they took Janikowski two picks BEFORE Shawn Alexander in round ONE. That may be one of the worst picks in the history of the draft. WOW looking at this first round of the 2000 draft is just has to be the worst round one ever. Just take a look at the crap that went in the first round. At least 20 of the picks were total busts, maybe even more. That has to be the worst first round ever. I see only 5-6 teams that may have gotten their moneys worth in that draft. UGLY stuff..check this out.

Sel# Team Player Pos. School

1 Cleveland Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2 Washington LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State

3 Washington Chris Samuels T Alabama

4 Cincinnati Peter Warrick WR Florida State

5 Baltimore Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee **

6 Philadelphia Corey Simon DT Florida State

7 Arizona Thomas Jones RB Virginia

8 Pittsburgh Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State

9 Chicago Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico*******

10 Baltimore Travis Taylor WR Florida

11 N.Y. Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin

12 N.Y. Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee

13 N.Y. Jets John Abraham DE South Carolina**

14 Green Bay Bubba Franks TE Miami

15 Denver Deltha O'Neal CB California

16 San Francisco Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State**

17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State

18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall

19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama *******

20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma?

21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State

22 Seattle Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin

23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State

24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State

25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College

26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State

27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia

28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young

29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California

30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse***

31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona

full draft below

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2000

I would argue that Pennington has been a much worse pick considering the injuries and financial cost to the Jets. Imagine how much different the Jets' history would have been if they would have drafted Alexander and taken Brady or Bulger with a later pick (namely Tony Scott in the 6th round).

 

[cracKer]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th:  T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

C'mon. Be serious. With Rudi in the backfield, and Palmer throwing to C.J. & Smith outside, Cincy would score 40 PPG. T.J. is a nice player, but Steve Smith he is not. You don't pass up a chance to have two Top-5 WRs on the same team. It's not like Justin Smith is the second coming of Reggie White.

I am serious. Smith and Chad are both guys who need the ball...and need to be the guy, and need to have the attention.Both on the same team?

You'd get the same answer when Randy Moss was asked if T.O. could come to Oakland.

"Yes, but then, I wouldn't be here."

How'd it work out for Jerry Rice and John Taylor?Taylor would have been THE GUY on most other teams not named San Francisco.

Taylor and Rice had much more of team-first attitudes than Chad Johnson and Steve Smith.John Taylor never had to have reporters laughing around him, and fans wondering what end zone dance he'd do next...(the attention all on him). Chad does. So does Steve.

It wouldn't work.

Are you aware that Steve Smith and Chad Johnson are extremely close friends?

Santa Monica JC teammates

 

[fridayfrenzy]

17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State

 

[SSOG]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Not so bad for them really. In 2000 they took Janikowski two picks BEFORE Shawn Alexander in round ONE. That may be one of the worst picks in the history of the draft. WOW looking at this first round of the 2000 draft is just has to be the worst round one ever. Just take a look at the crap that went in the first round. At least 20 of the picks were total busts, maybe even more. That has to be the worst first round ever. I see only 5-6 teams that may have gotten their moneys worth in that draft. UGLY stuff..check this out.

Sel# Team Player Pos. School

1 Cleveland Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2 Washington LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State

3 Washington Chris Samuels T Alabama

4 Cincinnati Peter Warrick WR Florida State

5 Baltimore Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee **

6 Philadelphia Corey Simon DT Florida State

7 Arizona Thomas Jones RB Virginia

8 Pittsburgh Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State

9 Chicago Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico*******

10 Baltimore Travis Taylor WR Florida

11 N.Y. Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin

12 N.Y. Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee

13 N.Y. Jets John Abraham DE South Carolina**

14 Green Bay Bubba Franks TE Miami

15 Denver Deltha O'Neal CB California

16 San Francisco Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State**

17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State

18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall

19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama *******

20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma?

21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State

22 Seattle Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin

23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State

24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State

25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College

26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State

27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia

28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young

29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California

30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse***

31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona

full draft below

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2000

I actually think this was a pretty average first round. Typically, 50% of all first round picks bust. Even HIGH first rounders.That's why the smartest thing to do is trade out of the first round and stockpile second rounders. A top-10 pick might be half as likely to bust as a 2nd rounder, but he'll also cost anywhere between 5-10 times as much, so if he DOES bust, your cap is screwed. If a 2nd rounder has a 33% success rate, and a top-10 pick has a 66% rate, and I can trade a top-10 pick for 4 second rounders (who won't cost as much COMBINED as that one first rounder), then trading down seems like an absolute no-brainer to me.

Yes, Reggie Bush is considered a sublime talent, a real can't-miss prospect... but once upon a time, so was Charles Rogers. So was Peter Warrick. So was Ryan Leaf. Even can't-miss prospects miss, sometimes.

 

[jwvdcw]

I don't have the stats in front of me but aren't Garner and Robinson both young WRs with 1000 yard seasons under their belts? Hard to call that a bust imho.

 

[jwvdcw]

It's amazing that three teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Edited for accuracy. Nothing amazing about passing on LT for Vick.

 

[Arnold. S]

I don't have the stats in front of me but aren't Garner and Robinson both young WRs with 1000 yard seasons under their belts? Hard to call that a bust imho.

Rod Gardner and Koren Robinson both had their moments, but both have character issues. Talent wise, they're not below that of Chad Johnson and Steve Smith IMO.

 

[redman]

I don't have the stats in front of me but aren't Garner and Robinson both young WRs with 1000 yard seasons under their belts? Hard to call that a bust imho.

Hey fellow 'Skins fan, Michael Westbrook managed a 1000 yard season during his fifth year and he was still most assuredly a bust. Robinson I hold out hope for based upon what he's done this year in Minnesota; Gardner apparently loves to live "the life" and doesn't work hard. He's out of the league in two years.

 

[redman]

... but Steve Smith lasting until 3.12 was amazing value. I guess the scouts questioned Smith's size, and the fact that he didn't play in a great conference. But man oh man, could you imagine if the Skins had Smith right now instead of wasting that pick on Gardner?

This brings up a couple of interesting points, both of them ironic. First of all, if size was such an issue in that draft as to Smith, it's remarkable that Moss was still drafted that high in that draft given that they're both from the same mold. Second, Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato reportedly wanted Moss, but he was on his surrender-control-to-a-football-guy kick and so Schottenheimer picked Rod Gardner for his size. Snyder gets flak for his mistakes, so we may as well credit him when he's right.

 

[dwarfboy]

Didn't Chad Johnson and Steve Smith play on the same JUCO team?

 

[ExaltedOne]

How about Cincy?

1st: Justin Smith

2nd: Chad Johnson

4th: Rudi Johnson

7th:  T.J. Houshamandzadeh

Wow.

Insert STEVE Smith for JUSTIN Smith, and WOW would be an understatement!

Justin Smith hasn't been a bust at all.34 sacks in five years with 215 tackles? Just because he doesn't play offense...

Didn't mean to imply he was. But do you think Cincy would swap Smiths right now?

No way.They need the defensive strength...and it's not like Cincy's hurting for receivers at ALL. With Housh, Chad, and Henry, they have more than they could ask for.

Edit to add: I think there'd be too many problems if you put 2 showy, #1 guys at WR. By adding Steve, I think you'd have to get rid of Chad.

They should've grabbed Richard Seymour, Andre Carter, or Marcus Stroud then.If they wanted Steve Smith, he was stilll available in the third, when they picked TE Sean Brewer :X .

 

[onionsack]

2001 GB Packers draftRd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 10 Jamal Reynolds DE Florida State 2 41 Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M 3 71 Bhawoh Jue FS Penn State 3 72 Torrance Marshall MLB Oklahoma 4 105 Bill Ferrario G Wisconsin 6 198 David Martin TE Tennessee Jamal Reynolds. :X Thanks for the parting gift, Ron.

 

[Marvelous]

I don't have the stats in front of me but aren't Garner and Robinson both young WRs with 1000 yard seasons under their belts? Hard to call that a bust imho.

Gardner was traded by the Redskins last off season and now was cut mid-season by Carlolina. It's hard to call him a success.

 

[Marino13]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Not so bad for them really. In 2000 they took Janikowski two picks BEFORE Shawn Alexander in round ONE. That may be one of the worst picks in the history of the draft. WOW looking at this first round of the 2000 draft is just has to be the worst round one ever. Just take a look at the crap that went in the first round. At least 20 of the picks were total busts, maybe even more. That has to be the worst first round ever. I see only 5-6 teams that may have gotten their moneys worth in that draft. UGLY stuff..check this out.

Sel# Team Player Pos. School

1 Cleveland Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2 Washington LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State

3 Washington Chris Samuels T Alabama

4 Cincinnati Peter Warrick WR Florida State

5 Baltimore Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee **

6 Philadelphia Corey Simon DT Florida State

7 Arizona Thomas Jones RB Virginia

8 Pittsburgh Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State

9 Chicago Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico*******

10 Baltimore Travis Taylor WR Florida

11 N.Y. Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin

12 N.Y. Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee

13 N.Y. Jets John Abraham DE South Carolina**

14 Green Bay Bubba Franks TE Miami

15 Denver Deltha O'Neal CB California

16 San Francisco Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State**

17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State

18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall

19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama *******

20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma?

21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State

22 Seattle Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin

23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State

24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State

25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College

26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State

27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia

28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young

29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California

30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse***

31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona

full draft below

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2000

Leave it to Oakland to draft a kicker....

 

[Texasmouth]

Not so bad for them really. In 2000 they took Janikowski two picks BEFORE Shawn Alexander in round ONE. That may be one of the worst picks in the history of the d :X raft.

I may be wrong but the pick Seattle used on Alexander was from Dallas for Joey Galloway. Dallas gave Seattle two first round picks for him. He got hurt in the first game he played in. :X

 

[Please See Mine]

It's amazing that four teams (including Cleveland) passed on LT.

Bucs actually had an alright draft there -- traded up for Kenyatta <_< , but made up for it with an absolute heist of Ellis Wyms in round 6. Dwight Smith in rd 3 was solid until he left for New Orleans.

Oakland's '01 draft:1.28 Derrick Gibson, SS, Florida State

2.28 Marques Tuiasosopo, QB, Washington

3.27 DeLawrence Grant, OLB, Oregon State

5.27 Raymond Perryman, SS, Northern Arizona

6.21 Chris Cooper, DT, Nebraska-Omaha

7.28 Derek Combs, CB, Ohio State

7.29 Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State



Leave it to Oakland to take the ONLY 2 Buckeyes who weren't any good in the NFL.

Not so bad for them really. In 2000 they took Janikowski two picks BEFORE Shawn Alexander in round ONE. That may be one of the worst picks in the history of the draft. WOW looking at this first round of the 2000 draft is just has to be the worst round one ever. Just take a look at the crap that went in the first round. At least 20 of the picks were total busts, maybe even more. That has to be the worst first round ever. I see only 5-6 teams that may have gotten their moneys worth in that draft. UGLY stuff..check this out.

Sel# Team Player Pos. School

1 Cleveland Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2 Washington LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State

3 Washington Chris Samuels T Alabama

4 Cincinnati Peter Warrick WR Florida State

5 Baltimore Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee **

6 Philadelphia Corey Simon DT Florida State

7 Arizona Thomas Jones RB Virginia

8 Pittsburgh Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State

9 Chicago Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico*******

10 Baltimore Travis Taylor WR Florida

11 N.Y. Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin

12 N.Y. Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee

13 N.Y. Jets John Abraham DE South Carolina**

14 Green Bay Bubba Franks TE Miami

15 Denver Deltha O'Neal CB California

16 San Francisco Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State**

17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State

18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall

19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama *******

20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma?

21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State

22 Seattle Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin

23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State

24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State

25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College

26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State

27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia

28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young

29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California

30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse***

31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona

full draft below

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2000

I'd give Corey Simon at least a few stars. He made at least one pro bowl and was a key to the Eagles D line for 5 years.

 

[stevec]

There are few guys who have no ** notation that shoudl,because they've been useful:ArringtonSamuelsSimonJones - not for the team drafting him, though.EllisHovan