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Flacco > Cutler? (1 Viewer)
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
If you are
, I'm right there with you. Preseason hype on Baltimore was a plan to open up the offense a bit & let Flacco fling it. Preseason and 1st game results hold true to the hype, while in Chicago, Cutler looks lost without Marshall / Royal / Scheffler ( as well as a bit toolish, too )Penciling in Flacco for the start this week.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
I think Flacco >>> Cutler for the rest of this season. Cutler needs time to develop chemistry w/ his receivers corps, & Ron Turner isn't as good of a play-caller as Cameron either.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Mr. Grumpypants is going to rue the day he got traded to Chicago.
Jewell
Footballguy
Agreed.
I am debating Flacco vs. Rivers.....Just seeing SD pass defense as weaker than Baltimores....but it is in SD, so I may stick with Rivers.
scott72
Footballguy
The Ravens gave up two pass TD's last week to, but given the state of the Chargers' offensive line I'd go Flacco easily there.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Flacco is the better QB, FF & Real Life. It is not even close in the "Real Life" category IMO.
thehornet
Footballguy
More week 1 over reaction/hysteria at its finest. Thanks for the chuckle.
ultimatefootballnetwork
Footballguy
I have Flacco, Big Ben and Cutler and my decision was between Flacco and Big Ben. I never gave a thought to starting Cutler.
I think Cutler will be alright in a few weeks but he is clearly adjusting and without being in rhythm I don't see a good game very likely against the Steelers, even without Polamolu.
But there's no need to hope Cutler gets in turned around this week. Flacco is the real deal and will be a top 10 QB this year. He has a fantastic OL and fresh feature back in Ray Rice so expect Baltimore's offense to be very very good.
Go Flacco and don't think twice.
I think Cutler will be alright in a few weeks but he is clearly adjusting and without being in rhythm I don't see a good game very likely against the Steelers, even without Polamolu.
But there's no need to hope Cutler gets in turned around this week. Flacco is the real deal and will be a top 10 QB this year. He has a fantastic OL and fresh feature back in Ray Rice so expect Baltimore's offense to be very very good.
Go Flacco and don't think twice.
baconisgood
Footballguy
How good is Pitt going to be without Palamolu? Pitt gave up 244+1 to old man Kerry- with that one coming against Troy's replacement. Pitt will still be an above average D- but I don't think they qualify as top 5 without TP.
scott72
Footballguy
Titan's WR's >>> Bears WR's..
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Think I'm sticking w/ Jay. That game could of been really good if it wasn't for the drops by his TEs and WRs. Jay could of had 3 TDs.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Cutler's decision making was poor in Denver, though it was more difficult to see behind a great o-line, 2 good receivers, and a quarterback friendly scheme. I think it is a safe bet to say that Cutler will never lead his team to a Super Bowl victory. He may wow you with his arm, but he is too arrogant to consistently progress through his reads and protect the football. He will blame his mistakes on the receivers and/or protection and will never take responsibility for error. I have him on my dynasty team, no hysteria involved.
scott72
Footballguy
And they're going to catch everything this week? Every QB could have had 3 TD's if everything fell into place. It didn't against the Pack and I don't look for it to happen against an even better D.
thehornet
Footballguy
You are entitled to your opinion, but I think it is far too premature to count this kid out as an elite QB. He's only 26.
playin4beer
Footballguy
I drafted Cutler & Campbell as my QB's....
Started Cutler week one and was saved by ADP and R.Wayne...
Dropped Campbell and picked up Flacco this week.... he is in my lineup as the starter over Cutler.
Started Cutler week one and was saved by ADP and R.Wayne...
Dropped Campbell and picked up Flacco this week.... he is in my lineup as the starter over Cutler.
switz
Footballguy
Lots ofIf you are, I'm right there with you. Preseason hype on Baltimore was a plan to open up the offense a bit & let Flacco fling it. Preseason and 1st game results hold true to the hype, while in Chicago, Cutler looks lost without Marshall / Royal / Scheffler ( as well as a bit toolish, too )Penciling in Flacco for the start this week.
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packersfan
Footballguy
I think there's way too much overreaction going on with regard to Cutler. I realize he threw 4 INTs in Week 1, but he also threw for 277/1 and should have had 2 TDs. That said, I also think people are going to start figuring out just how good Joe Flacco is. I think he is poised to make a big move up the QB rankings this season. I think he has another good to great game Sunday against the Chargers.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Flacco > Cutler forever
greenheads
Footballguy
this week?
as has been said above
every week
as has been said above
every week
super sleeper
Footballguy
Not that I have a choice with Cassel as my backup, but I feel more confident than ever that Cutler is going to have a big week after reading this thread.
That's because most of the sites are afraid of the truth! Or too dumb think for themselves.
DudeWheresMyRB
Footballguy
Eh... I'll play devil's advocate.
43 attempts for Flacco in week 1 may be season high... look for ground game to reassert. Pit will give up some big plays, particularly with Polamalu out. Raw talent doesn't go away in 1 game and Cutler will go for at least 250/2.
43 attempts for Flacco in week 1 may be season high... look for ground game to reassert. Pit will give up some big plays, particularly with Polamalu out. Raw talent doesn't go away in 1 game and Cutler will go for at least 250/2.
FUBAR
Footballguy
That just looks weird, but I think you're right. 
Flacco and Cutler are probably about equal in talent, but for now I wouldn't even consider starting Cutler.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Rolling with Flacco over Carson Palmer this week. Of course, I am a die hard Green Bay Packer fan so that plays a role in this as well.
I just picked up Flacco I have Kurt Warner im not feeling comfortable with him hes turning into a old man right before our eyes. I'm from Bmore so Im loving havin Flacco but dont know if I have the balls to start him over Kurt Warner
thehornet
Footballguy
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Flacco has a great week 1, Cutler lays a turd. Half the people here are on Flacco's jock now and leaving Cutler for dead.
Shark pool my pimply, white hindquarters.
Shark pool my pimply, white hindquarters.
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switz
Footballguy
I don't think this is really a reaction to week 1. Flacco showed last year he's got what it takes to be a top tier QB given the opportunity to throw more. They said this offseason he would get that opportunity. Meanwhile, Cutler has been surrounded by an abundance of talent in DEN, and still made tons of stupid decisions, now he goes to CHI where the WRs aren't yet very good, so it was easy to see his production would drop.I dunno, I think for a lot of people, week 1 was just confirmation of what we expected all along. Hmmm... in fact, I would say those that DIDN'T expect it are the ones that aren't sharks.Flacco has a great week 1, Cutler lays a turd. Half the people here are on Flacco's jock now and leaving Cutler for dead. Shark pool my ###.
packersfan
Footballguy
Flacco was the QB2 I targeted in my draft and I was very happy to get him. I didn't expect 300+/3 TDs in week 1 but I believed the Ravens were going to open up the offense more to take advantage of his talent. I think he is the QB2 with the most potential ro rise up the rankings this season.
Why? You throw a QB in a different scheme, with different personal, it is anybody's guess in how they will respond. A complete flop is as likely scenario as a total success. After Week 1, when the opponent secondary had more targets than any Bear receiver (although 2 drops by defenders did hold the interception total down to only 4), things are not looking good. Culter will not be as bad as Week 1 indicated, but it is a near 100% certainty, he is not going to become a huge stud in Chicago.
Beau Tocks
Footballguy
I just picked up Joe off WW and drafted Warner. I'm starting Flacco vs. a banged up and poor passing defense in SD this week with no reservations. Hey if Warner comes off big then I feel my depth makes very good trade bait down the road either way.Bottomline.... go with the Raven here in week two.
thehornet
Footballguy
In 2007, which was essentially Cutler's rookie year, he threw 6 more touchdowns and 600 more yards than Flacco did his rookie year. While only throwing 3 more picks. The 5 games played in 2006 were excellent for a rookie as well. Going for 1K passing and 9 scores in 5 games. The hype of Flacco and the demise of Cutler in this thread is downright silly.I don't think this is really a reaction to week 1. Flacco showed last year he's got what it takes to be a top tier QB given the opportunity to throw more. They said this offseason he would get that opportunity. Meanwhile, Cutler has been surrounded by an abundance of talent in DEN, and still made tons of stupid decisions, now he goes to CHI where the WRs aren't yet very good, so it was easy to see his production would drop.I dunno, I think for a lot of people, week 1 was just confirmation of what we expected all along. Hmmm... in fact, I would say those that DIDN'T expect it are the ones that aren't sharks.Flacco has a great week 1, Cutler lays a turd. Half the people here are on Flacco's jock now and leaving Cutler for dead. Shark pool my ###.
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thehornet
Footballguy
And that is why we call it just 1 week. You guys are going to look silly at year's end.
scott72
Footballguy
Jax's secondary is trash. If Warner isn't successful this week he'll never be. I have him on a couple teams and he better step it up this week.
switz
Footballguy
In 2007, which was essentially Cutler's rookie year, he threw 6 more touchdowns and 600 more yards than Flacco did his rookie year. While only throwing 3 more picks. The 5 games played in 2006 were excellent for a rookie as well. Going for 1K passing and 9 scores in 5 games. The hype of Flacco and the demise of Cutler in this thread is downright silly.I don't think this is really a reaction to week 1. Flacco showed last year he's got what it takes to be a top tier QB given the opportunity to throw more. They said this offseason he would get that opportunity. Meanwhile, Cutler has been surrounded by an abundance of talent in DEN, and still made tons of stupid decisions, now he goes to CHI where the WRs aren't yet very good, so it was easy to see his production would drop.I dunno, I think for a lot of people, week 1 was just confirmation of what we expected all along. Hmmm... in fact, I would say those that DIDN'T expect it are the ones that aren't sharks.Flacco has a great week 1, Cutler lays a turd. Half the people here are on Flacco's jock now and leaving Cutler for dead.
Shark pool my ###.
Except that it WASN'T his rookie season...Also, between weeks 9-13 (5 games), Flacco threw for 1,060 yards, 9TDs, 2INTsFlacco had a higher comp % and better YPA than Cutler did as a rookie.
switz
Footballguy
Yes, but I also feel Cutler is NOW in a worse situation than he's ever been in his career, AND is in a worse situation than Flacco.My biggest issue with Cutler is he's always been a bad decision maker, but his WRs saved him in DEN. That's not going to happen (at least from all appearances) in Chicago.thehornet said:so you admit that they had very similiar starts?
Flacco had a higher comp % and better YPA than Cutler did as a rookie.
thehornet
Footballguy
why did you pull Flacco's best 5 game stretch to compare? If you want to compare the first 5 games each player played then fine. I can play along with that.In 2007, which was essentially Cutler's rookie year, he threw 6 more touchdowns and 600 more yards than Flacco did his rookie year. While only throwing 3 more picks. The 5 games played in 2006 were excellent for a rookie as well. Going for 1K passing and 9 scores in 5 games. The hype of Flacco and the demise of Cutler in this thread is downright silly.I don't think this is really a reaction to week 1. Flacco showed last year he's got what it takes to be a top tier QB given the opportunity to throw more. They said this offseason he would get that opportunity. Meanwhile, Cutler has been surrounded by an abundance of talent in DEN, and still made tons of stupid decisions, now he goes to CHI where the WRs aren't yet very good, so it was easy to see his production would drop.I dunno, I think for a lot of people, week 1 was just confirmation of what we expected all along. Hmmm... in fact, I would say those that DIDN'T expect it are the ones that aren't sharks.Flacco has a great week 1, Cutler lays a turd. Half the people here are on Flacco's jock now and leaving Cutler for dead.
Shark pool my ###.
Flacco had a higher comp % and better YPA than Cutler did as a rookie.
Flacco first 5 games:
844 passing yards
5.8 YPA
1 touchdown
7 interceptions
Cutler
1001 passing yards
7.3 YPA
9 Touchdowns
5 interceptions
Again, a lot of overreaction in this thread. i'm not saying Flacco isnt a fine player, but for some to say Flacco>>>>>Culter real life and Fantasy FOREVER is more than a little ridiculous.
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switz
Footballguy
First five games of a rookie season as the starter without an opportunity to learn while watching even a halfway decant veteran is very different than coming in after 11 weeks, having watched the game, etc.And if you compare their first 16 games, Cutler comes out slightly ahead, but again, he had the opportunity to sit and learn for about 2/3s of his rookie season.thehornet said:why did you pull Flacco's best 5 game stretch to compare? If you want to compare the first 5 games each player played then fine. I can play along with that.switz said:thehornet said:In 2007, which was essentially Cutler's rookie year, he threw 6 more touchdowns and 600 more yards than Flacco did his rookie year. While only throwing 3 more picks. The 5 games played in 2006 were excellent for a rookie as well. Going for 1K passing and 9 scores in 5 games. The hype of Flacco and the demise of Cutler in this thread is downright silly.switz said:I don't think this is really a reaction to week 1. Flacco showed last year he's got what it takes to be a top tier QB given the opportunity to throw more. They said this offseason he would get that opportunity. Meanwhile, Cutler has been surrounded by an abundance of talent in DEN, and still made tons of stupid decisions, now he goes to CHI where the WRs aren't yet very good, so it was easy to see his production would drop.I dunno, I think for a lot of people, week 1 was just confirmation of what we expected all along. Hmmm... in fact, I would say those that DIDN'T expect it are the ones that aren't sharks.scrumptrulescent said:Flacco has a great week 1, Cutler lays a turd. Half the people here are on Flacco's jock now and leaving Cutler for dead.
Shark pool my ###.Except that it WASN'T his rookie season...Also, between weeks 9-13 (5 games), Flacco threw for 1,060 yards, 9TDs, 2INTs
Flacco had a higher comp % and better YPA than Cutler did as a rookie.
Flacco first 5 games:
844 passing yards
5.8 YPA
1 touchdown
7 interceptions
Cutler
1001 passing yards
7.3 YPA
9 Touchdowns
5 interceptions
Again, a lot of overreaction in this thread. i'm not saying Flacco isnt a fine player, but for some to say Flacco>>>>>Culter real life and Fantasy FOREVER is more than a little ridiculous.
Flacco was good enough to start as a rookie from day 1. Yada yada yada... there are tons of reasons to think Flacco could be better than Cutler.
We could go round and round... I agree there is some overreaction in this thread, but it's not a stretch at all to think Flacco could be a better NFL QB, and at least for the foreseeable future a better fantasy QB.
thehornet
Footballguy
First five games of a rookie season as the starter without an opportunity to learn while watching even a halfway decant veteran is very different than coming in after 11 weeks, having watched the game, etc.
And if you compare their first 16 games, Cutler comes out slightly ahead, but again, he had the opportunity to sit and learn for about 2/3s of his rookie season.
Flacco was good enough to start as a rookie from day 1. Yada yada yada... there are tons of reasons to think Flacco could be better than Cutler.
We could go round and round... I agree there is some overreaction in this thread, but it's not a stretch at all to think Flacco could be a better NFL QB, and at least for the foreseeable future a better fantasy QB.
I can live with that assesment and meet in the middle. But I will say one other thing about the bolded part. There really was nobody else. Cutler was also good enough to start Day 1.
I do agree that Flacc is in a better position/environment right now. However, I am willing to give Cutler some slack as it was the first game on a new team, coaches, scheme, players, etc etc.
And if you compare their first 16 games, Cutler comes out slightly ahead, but again, he had the opportunity to sit and learn for about 2/3s of his rookie season.
Flacco was good enough to start as a rookie from day 1. Yada yada yada... there are tons of reasons to think Flacco could be better than Cutler.
We could go round and round... I agree there is some overreaction in this thread, but it's not a stretch at all to think Flacco could be a better NFL QB, and at least for the foreseeable future a better fantasy QB.
I can live with that assesment and meet in the middle. But I will say one other thing about the bolded part. There really was nobody else. Cutler was also good enough to start Day 1.
I do agree that Flacc is in a better position/environment right now. However, I am willing to give Cutler some slack as it was the first game on a new team, coaches, scheme, players, etc etc.
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Agree to disagree about the Denver WR's. I'd say Cutler made those WR's look very good. I wasn't touching Eddie Royal at his adp this year sans Cutler.Bad decision maker/gambler......tomato/tomahto. I'll take a gambler with a rocket arm in fantasy football over a care taker whose defense wins games. Unless you want to base everything on this last week where Flacco went bonkers against the laughable Chefs and Cutler struggled in his 1st game as a Bear against the Packers.Cutler > Flacco imo.switz said:
baconisgood
Footballguy
Boller was injured and Troy Smith almost died- Flacco was given the job because they deemed it a better choice than a street FA who had < 1 week to prepare with the team.
Cutler comes out slightly ahead until you realize that the Broncos were a throwing team and the Ravens a running team. Cutler's 2nd season- counting QB runs and sacks as passing plays- the Broncos dropped back to pass on 60% of their plays. The 2008 Ravens dropped back to pass roughly 49% of the time. Being slightly better with a much higher usage is significantly better.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
.... ok "Mr know it all". You remind me of the morons who used to say "it is safe to say Peyton Manning or Bill Cowher will never win anything....it is safe to say that the NE Patriots will destroy the Giants in the SB"
thehornet
Footballguy
ForteWillLeadTheWay
Footballguy
This is why I love the Shark Pool.
Cutler 19+ FFP
Flacco 16+ FFP
Keep on truckin'
Cutler 19+ FFP
Flacco 16+ FFP
Keep on truckin'
