Flex & PPR (1 Viewer)

[delusional]

I been trying to implement a flex spot into my league for 2 yrs now. Keep getting the same old afraid of change guys who say just keep it as it is. Same with points per reception. I have some people on board with that one at least but need a majority vote.

So can anyone point out some good reasons I can bring up next season to add a flex & ppr.

Right now we only use 2 RBs 2 WRs 1 TE.

I want to bring it to 2RBs / 2WRs / 1TE / Flex ( wr, te, rb )

I look around my league at some teams that are doing well but have horrible depth. Then I see some teams doing bad but good depth but that doesn't matter since we have a small starting roster. If a flex was in my league, the standings would be completely different. It would actually make transactions a bit more active too for waivers due to more players dealing with bye weeks.

Take my team for instance in my sig. If we had a flex, i would be 3-0 and probably leading in total points. Yet I look at another team, who isn't the strongest of fantasy owners but he is riding Brady CJ & Hous to a 3-0 start....his back ups? He has LT, Kevin Jones and Dunn at RB. Has has Joe Horn and Chambers. So you can see my point about a flex changing some things.

For PPR it is different. The league doesnt want to go into decimal scoring. I say this because I wanted it was 1 rec = 0.5pts. So I am thinking of proposing it be 2 rec = 1pt. Sound good?

So any advice on how to go about pointing out the good things about adding a flex and ppr.

 

[FFdork]

It's a tough thing to convince people of. For PPR, they are going to ask why a 2 yard catch should be = to a 12 yard run in value. The answer is that PPR equals out the value to some degree, but there's no getting around that it's pretty artificial in terms of relating scoring to the value of a players performance on the field.

In terms of a flex position, I'm personally not a big fan unless your scoring rules have really balanced out player values. Otherwise flex becomes a de facto 3rd starting running back for the 1-2 teams that were lucky enough to draft a strong 3rd RB, and those teams dominate. I'd much rather add a third WR before a flex in your league if the scoring stays pretty standard.

 

[code]

You've expressed why you want the rule (because it would've helped you get to 3-0)...what are the reasons that the other owners object (beyond, for example, that it would suddenly make you 3-0 and presumably deal some of your competition losses)?...

I think these kinds of changes are made by listening to arguments against and then refuting them, not just thrusting a preponderance of arguments at the other owners...this calls for persuasion, not brute force...

Edit to add: I modeled our scoring system several years ago and we have 2 Flex and 0.5 PPR, everyone is very happy

 

[delusional]

I would have liked the 0.5 ppr also.

There were more reasons for the flex. It makes people do their HW a bit more on who to draft rather then taking the "big names" they hear and that is all.

I wouldn't mind even a 3 WR system and the arguements against it are "nah man just leave it as is" and this is mainly coming from the former commish who started the league. ( i took over about 4 years ago ). Another thing I heard is it would dilute the waiver pool. If anything having only 2 WRs dilutes the pool because we have about 7 bench players we can hold.

I figured adding an extra spot ( 3WRs or 1Flex ) and lowering the rounds to 14 would work well ( we have 15 now ). As it is, there are teams that ( outside of injury ) would have to make only 1 waiver move a year.

Current:

1qb 2rb 2wr 1te 1k 1d is current set up with 7 bench players ( 15 rounds )

Ideas:

1qb 2rb 3wr 1te 1k 1d would be an option but with 6 bench players ( 15 rounds )

1qb 2rb 2wr 1te 1k 1d 1flex(wr rb te) with 5 bench players ( 14 rounds )

That would allow you to carry for back ups, 1qb 1rb 1wr 1te 1d or some variation ( i don't have a position limit for bench players ) as opposed to the current 1qb 2rb 2wr 1te 1k ( or some variation ).

I talked to some long time members in the league already who said "why didnt you add that this year????". Well we have a meeting before preseason starts to bring up rule changes and such and sometimes not everyone can make it. Sadly the ones that like my idea didnt make it where the ones that dont like it made it. The ex commish basically turns down everything i bring up because he doesnt liek change period.

 

[Sputnikv8]

If you think teams sitting at 3-0 right now are going to want to change so that you have a shot at 3-0, you'll need better reasons!

If its a league that just won't change, I guess if you enjoy the other owners -- suck it up. If you don't, PPR/flex leagues are everywhere and you should be able to get plugged in. Sorry. Hard to convince people of change from your position. They'll see it as "New commish is losing and wants to change rules to help himself". Tough position to argue from.

 

[delusional]

If you think teams sitting at 3-0 right now are going to want to change so that you have a shot at 3-0, you'll need better reasons! If its a league that just won't change, I guess if you enjoy the other owners -- suck it up. If you don't, PPR/flex leagues are everywhere and you should be able to get plugged in. Sorry. Hard to convince people of change from your position. They'll see it as "New commish is losing and wants to change rules to help himself". Tough position to argue from.

Actually..i am a 3 time champ of this league and we are in the 7th year and I am at 2-1. So it really isn't "i am losing and want to win issue, let me change this", that was just an example. Its basically a group of close friends with some fathers in it too lol. I just always been a fan of the 2RB 3WR feature ( or flex ). I think it brings more to the league in terms of draft and team management strategy.There has been alot I wanted to change. Like we use CBS but yet I personally call all the owners each week to do waivers. I want to get rid of that and have the waiver priority through the web site. Sadly not all the people in the league are computer literate. Some are but I think some would just simply forget. I also wanted to change defensive scoring to work with points against. The normal shut out is 10pts but if your defensive gives up 35+pts weekly or something, there is no penalty for that. There should be but trying to explain to people that idea was like talking to a wall lol.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Use a flex only allowing a WR/TE to be played. Forget the RB position when discussing a flex spot as that will inflate the RB position even more. That is something that is not needed in a league.

 

[fsufan]

Use a flex only allowing a WR/TE to be played. Forget the RB position when discussing a flex spot as that will inflate the RB position even more. That is something that is not needed in a league.

DisagreeThe flex position allows RBs in a RBBC good flex starts.The flex also added more strategy to who you should start. RB in a RBBC or that 3rd team WR.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Use a flex only allowing a WR/TE to be played. Forget the RB position when discussing a flex spot as that will inflate the RB position even more. That is something that is not needed in a league.

DisagreeThe flex position allows RBs in a RBBC good flex starts.The flex also added more strategy to who you should start. RB in a RBBC or that 3rd team WR.

100% disagree here. The RB position is already overvalued in fantasy football as is... why make it more so overvalued? I would hate to see the drafts of these leagues since being able to start three RBs is at an optimum the drafts will consist nothing but RBs for the first three rounds. Increasing the WR/TE position is mandatory in a "start 2 RB" league... even more so if the option to start three is there. Flex spots should be left to the WR/TE position unless the normal starting requirement has only one RB starting.

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

One of the things I have done in my leagues to take the focus so strongly off RB's is to have (10 team league)

2 QB (3 max)

1 RB (5 max)

2 WR (7 max)

2 RB/WR flex

1 TE (2 max)

2 D/ST (3 max)

1 K (2 max)

6 bench

total roster : 17

PPR in effect

now teams that get 2 QB's or 2 good D/ST's also fare well

RB's can only account for 3 of 11 starting positions

more ways to play the game with this setup

 

[wraith5]

Ours is a 10 team league, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR flex, TE, K, DEF

16 man roster, so with 10 starters you don't have a lot of room to hold onto guys.

1 PPR regardless of position.

Looking at the top 50 scoring RB/WR/TEs so far, 27 are WRs, 19 are RBs and 4 are TEs.

The Top 25 - 16 WRs, 8 RBs and 1TE.

A lot of parity among RBs and WRs - you have to be deep to win.

 

[FFdork]

Use a flex only allowing a WR/TE to be played. Forget the RB position when discussing a flex spot as that will inflate the RB position even more. That is something that is not needed in a league.

DisagreeThe flex position allows RBs in a RBBC good flex starts.The flex also added more strategy to who you should start. RB in a RBBC or that 3rd team WR.

This argument is pointless without adding in the scoring. If your scoring is more traditional performance (i.e. no PPR), you are always going to have the 1-2 people that manage to grab more than 3 or more starting caliber RBs. I don't think there's a lot of skill involved in taking as many RB as you can early.Now, if your rules have made QBs, WRs, and even TEs roughly equal in value, I have to problem with a flex that includes RBs.

 

[FFdork]

Looking at the top 50 scoring RB/WR/TEs so far, 27 are WRs, 19 are RBs and 4 are TEs. The Top 25 - 16 WRs, 8 RBs and 1TE.A lot of parity among RBs and WRs - you have to be deep to win.

This is probably at least a little scewed by the hot starts by WRs combined with the slow starts for a lot of RBs. Look at the end of the season or historical data. Or perhaps your league has gotten the rules (I see it is PPR) & roster requirements.The bottom line is simply adding a flex with an RB without changing scoring rules will further increase the value of RBs, period. Maybe people like having a draft where in the first 3 rounds 25 of the picks are RBs. I'm always looking to make people consider all choices and have the spoils go to the best evaluator of talent and situation regardless of position.

 

[creeps1313]

As for PPR...try seeing if they want to do .5 per reception. Thats how we got it through in one of my leagues.

As for the Flex spot...seems like a no brainer. I cant believe this is even an issue. I dont think Ive ever played in a league without the flex position. You need to show them that there are to many good players that arent playing...and push the more scoring issue.

 

[Cixelsyd]

We do a playoff league during the NFL playoffs and use it to test new rules...

Flex doesn't work to test here... but PPR does... we tested it for 3 years before deciding to do it in our main league and now everyone loves it...

But, we don't vote for it... It's my league, I'm the commish, I let the other owners give me ideas, but I make the final decision... but I do like to test things out as we have been running for 9 years now.

It extends the fantasy season and everyone sees how scoring changes effect players.

 

[Golden Valley Vipers]

We added .5 per reception for receivers only to bring their scoring more in line with RBs.

 

[delusional]

We do a playoff league during the NFL playoffs and use it to test new rules...Flex doesn't work to test here... but PPR does... we tested it for 3 years before deciding to do it in our main league and now everyone loves it... But, we don't vote for it... It's my league, I'm the commish, I let the other owners give me ideas, but I make the final decision... but I do like to test things out as we have been running for 9 years now.It extends the fantasy season and everyone sees how scoring changes effect players.

Good idea here. I might give that a try

 

[RCon]

If you really want to shake up the league, go with the "formation offense" lineup. My favorite league uses this, and it's a blast.

Starting lineup consists of 1 QB, 1 K, 1 Def, plus one of the following:

* Wishbone Offense - 3 RB, 2 TE (no WR)

* Pro Set Offense - 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE

* Red Gun Offense - 1 RB, 4 WR (no TE)

Essentially, each step down from the wishbone trades 2 WR for 1 RB and 1 TE. With our league rules, you can change formations week to week, but I could easily see a league in which you must choose your formation for the entire year. First year we tried this was last year, and we had a few teams try the wishbone and everyone else ran the pro set. This year, three teams are running the red gun, three teams run the wishbone, and the rest are running pro sets.

 

[Da Guru]

I been trying to implement a flex spot into my league for 2 yrs now. Keep getting the same old afraid of change guys who say just keep it as it is. Same with points per reception. I have some people on board with that one at least but need a majority vote.So can anyone point out some good reasons I can bring up next season to add a flex & ppr. Right now we only use 2 RBs 2 WRs 1 TE. I want to bring it to 2RBs / 2WRs / 1TE / Flex ( wr, te, rb ) I look around my league at some teams that are doing well but have horrible depth. Then I see some teams doing bad but good depth but that doesn't matter since we have a small starting roster. If a flex was in my league, the standings would be completely different. It would actually make transactions a bit more active too for waivers due to more players dealing with bye weeks. Take my team for instance in my sig. If we had a flex, i would be 3-0 and probably leading in total points. Yet I look at another team, who isn't the strongest of fantasy owners but he is riding Brady CJ & Hous to a 3-0 start....his back ups? He has LT, Kevin Jones and Dunn at RB. Has has Joe Horn and Chambers. So you can see my point about a flex changing some things. For PPR it is different. The league doesnt want to go into decimal scoring. I say this because I wanted it was 1 rec = 0.5pts. So I am thinking of proposing it be 2 rec = 1pt. Sound good? So any advice on how to go about pointing out the good things about adding a flex and ppr.

To me it is about watching and rooting for your players. My league was the same way..it took me years to lobby to change things.We now start 1 QB2 RBs3 WRs1 TE1-K1 flex RB-WR-TE of your choiceSo we have 9 guys to watch every week. I hate when all my guys are done after th 1:00 games on Sunday. This way you usually have guys going all the time.

 

[CMU37484]

I love our league the way it is now......we've slowly added PPR and flex spots. Now we have a required starting lineup of........

1 QB

1 RB

2 WR's

1 TE

1 K

1 D/ST

2 Flex (Flex can be anyting but a 2nd QB)

What I love about it is most guys start combos of 1 RB and 4 WR's, 2 RB's and 3 WR's OR 3 RB's and 2 WR's. This is the typical way guys do things and it gives us a TON of flexibility.

I hate the fact that some guys can start 2 or 3 defenses if they so choose and we're trying to make the flex only be RB/WR/TE so some moron isn't starting 3 kickers. But if your team is so thin and weak you need to start 3 kickers you're not winning anyways.

As for PPR, we do 1 PPR for WR/TE's and .5 PPR for RB's and we love this. It keeps WR's very valuable PLUS it also makes sure pass atching RB's don't get a huge boost in value (like Bush and Westbrook).

I love the way we're set up and would only change the flex to not allowing extra defenses and kickers just because it's STUPID. Other than that, I think our league's scoring, rosters, and starting requirements is awesome.

 

[SteveInChicago]

I love our league the way it is now......we've slowly added PPR and flex spots. Now we have a required starting lineup of........1 QB1 RB2 WR's1 TE1 K 1 D/ST2 Flex (Flex can be anyting but a 2nd QB)What I love about it is most guys start combos of 1 RB and 4 WR's, 2 RB's and 3 WR's OR 3 RB's and 2 WR's. This is the typical way guys do things and it gives us a TON of flexibility. I hate the fact that some guys can start 2 or 3 defenses if they so choose and we're trying to make the flex only be RB/WR/TE so some moron isn't starting 3 kickers. But if your team is so thin and weak you need to start 3 kickers you're not winning anyways.As for PPR, we do 1 PPR for WR/TE's and .5 PPR for RB's and we love this. It keeps WR's very valuable PLUS it also makes sure pass atching RB's don't get a huge boost in value (like Bush and Westbrook).I love the way we're set up and would only change the flex to not allowing extra defenses and kickers just because it's STUPID. Other than that, I think our league's scoring, rosters, and starting requirements is awesome.

This sounds pretty interesting, anybody load up on Baltimore/Chicago//New England?

 

[Challenge Everything]

If you really want to shake up the league, go with the "formation offense" lineup. My favorite league uses this, and it's a blast.Starting lineup consists of 1 QB, 1 K, 1 Def, plus one of the following:* Wishbone Offense - 3 RB, 2 TE (no WR)* Pro Set Offense - 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE* Red Gun Offense - 1 RB, 4 WR (no TE)Essentially, each step down from the wishbone trades 2 WR for 1 RB and 1 TE. With our league rules, you can change formations week to week, but I could easily see a league in which you must choose your formation for the entire year. First year we tried this was last year, and we had a few teams try the wishbone and everyone else ran the pro set. This year, three teams are running the red gun, three teams run the wishbone, and the rest are running pro sets.

 

[u999spf]

I been trying to implement a flex spot into my league for 2 yrs now. Keep getting the same old afraid of change guys who say just keep it as it is. Same with points per reception. I have some people on board with that one at least but need a majority vote.

I usually run into the same problems in my league regarding change. I find that most of the guys are really against changing anything and I need to really press to get changes made. I think I do a pretty good job of tweaking league rules and bringing them along with how the fantasy football game is evolving over the years. A standard starting lineup and snake draft is WAAAAY too predictable and boring any more.As for your issue, I would first add a 3rd Wr as a starting requirement, then I would add in a flex player. (Personally, i prefer making it an ultimate flex position - meaning any position including QB, K and Defense can be started as a flex) Most teams would then try to start 2QB's when possible. This brings the QB position on par with the rb's, where it should be. I would also push for the 1pt / 2 rec for WR only and even 1 pt per TE. This still allows non-decimal scoring and brings the Wr and TE more in line with the RB's.The way you can sell some of this to your league is by adding 2 more starters, it will reduce the amount of luck and the more skilled drafters will be rewarded for being able to find gems later in the draft.

 

[delusional]

We still do a snake draft and I want to change that up a bit but not go to an auction style

 

[Challenge Everything]

We still do a snake draft and I want to change that up a bit but not go to an auction style

Why?