Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[Chaos Commish]

You're in a fight. You're on top of some freak who was dogging you through a neighborhood. You're giving him a little beatdown and letting him know it with some choice words. He's screaming like a ##### for help, so you smother him and tell him to stphu. He squirms around so his shirt comes up and reveals a gun. You know you better grab it before he does. You tell him he's gonna die.

I understand the statement, if true, makes self defense a slam dunk, and I understand a bunch of you hate that outcome, but I can certainly see someone from Tray's background saying that. It seems like a bit of pretense to call it wholly unbelievable.

Dee Dee's statement, if you can work through it, accounts for the missing two minutes. George's doesn't. His video statements have the altercation happening sooner than it did. I'll give his written statement a closer look, but the timeline, clock and google maps analysis that fatness hated so much may hurt George in the end.

It was unbelievable so much that the Police stated his story was deemed unbelievable. And thus arrested.

This is not quite correct.

I like the thus arrested part. Listen to Serino explaining why he isn't arresting George in the audio statement. For 44 days two different state's attorneys saw the evidence and refused to bring charges. Under extreme political pressure the Governor puts Corley on the case and she promptly cancels the grand jury, knowing the case was at high risk for being no billed, and brings charges herself with this... this affidavit of hers. Here's a little review for BST.

 

[TexanFan02]

You're in a fight. You're on top of some freak who was dogging you through a neighborhood. You're giving him a little beatdown and letting him know it with some choice words. He's screaming like a ##### for help, so you smother him and tell him to stphu. He squirms around so his shirt comes up and reveals a gun. You know you better grab it before he does. You tell him he's gonna die.

I understand the statement, if true, makes self defense a slam dunk, and I understand a bunch of you hate that outcome, but I can certainly see someone from Tray's background saying that. It seems like a bit of pretense to call it wholly unbelievable.

Dee Dee's statement, if you can work through it, accounts for the missing two minutes. George's doesn't. His video statements have the altercation happening sooner than it did. I'll give his written statement a closer look, but the timeline, clock and google maps analysis that fatness hated so much may hurt George in the end.

It was unbelievable so much that the Police stated his story was deemed unbelievable. And thus arrested.

This is not quite correct.

I like the thus arrested part. Listen to Serino explaining why he isn't arresting George in the audio statement. For 44 days two different state's attorneys saw the evidence and refused to bring charges. Under extreme political pressure the Governor puts Corley on the case and she promptly cancels the grand jury, knowing the case was at high risk for being no billed, and brings charges herself with this... this affidavit of hers. Here's a little review for BST.

That's not accurate at all. I'm kind of disappointed in you.

 

[Chaos Commish]

You're in a fight. You're on top of some freak who was dogging you through a neighborhood. You're giving him a little beatdown and letting him know it with some choice words. He's screaming like a ##### for help, so you smother him and tell him to stphu. He squirms around so his shirt comes up and reveals a gun. You know you better grab it before he does. You tell him he's gonna die.

I understand the statement, if true, makes self defense a slam dunk, and I understand a bunch of you hate that outcome, but I can certainly see someone from Tray's background saying that. It seems like a bit of pretense to call it wholly unbelievable.

Dee Dee's statement, if you can work through it, accounts for the missing two minutes. George's doesn't. His video statements have the altercation happening sooner than it did. I'll give his written statement a closer look, but the timeline, clock and google maps analysis that fatness hated so much may hurt George in the end.

It was unbelievable so much that the Police stated his story was deemed unbelievable. And thus arrested.

This is not quite correct.

I like the thus arrested part. Listen to Serino explaining why he isn't arresting George in the audio statement. For 44 days two different state's attorneys saw the evidence and refused to bring charges. Under extreme political pressure the Governor puts Corley on the case and she promptly cancels the grand jury, knowing the case was at high risk for being no billed, and brings charges herself with this... this affidavit of hers. Here's a little review for BST.

That's not accurate at all. I'm kind of disappointed in you.

Sorry, CH seems to be dropping Zim's water. Someone has to carry it if this thread is going 500 pages.From my link

Corey was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott to prosecute the case after Norman Wolfinger, the experienced state attorney for the 18th Judicial Circuit who had been in office 18 years, mysteriously announced that he was stepping down from the case, "to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest ..."

Even though Wolfinger had one of his most experienced career prosecutors, Jim Carter, involved in the case within hours of the shooting and had scheduled a grand jury to consider the case, he unexpectedly left.

To this day, there's no documentation or public statement about what possible conflict of interest existed. From the many I have talked to and from all that I have learned, it is my informed belief that there was no conflict of interest at all.

Contrary to some speculation, Wolfinger wasn't personally involved in the investigation and had never met Zimmerman or Zimmerman's father. Why was that prosecutors' office, which even Corey praised, replaced?

A grand jury could have appropriately considered the case. That's what grand juries do.

Was there a fear that the grand jury might consider the evidence and not indict? Sure looks like it. If that's true, then the question is whether a fair and impartial review of the evidence actually occurred. Or were the charges that Corey brought a foregone conclusion from the onset?

I think it's notable that the author, when first hired to cover this for CNN, was very much in line with the flawed media/mob narrative. Being a seasoned defense attorney and taking the time to dig into the details, he's now writing articles like the above. Kinda like me in this thread.

 

[Guest]

Whoa. Christo holding on to a 1 post lead over CH. 1494 to 1493.

 

[TexanFan02]

You're in a fight. You're on top of some freak who was dogging you through a neighborhood. You're giving him a little beatdown and letting him know it with some choice words. He's screaming like a ##### for help, so you smother him and tell him to stphu. He squirms around so his shirt comes up and reveals a gun. You know you better grab it before he does. You tell him he's gonna die.

I understand the statement, if true, makes self defense a slam dunk, and I understand a bunch of you hate that outcome, but I can certainly see someone from Tray's background saying that. It seems like a bit of pretense to call it wholly unbelievable.

Dee Dee's statement, if you can work through it, accounts for the missing two minutes. George's doesn't. His video statements have the altercation happening sooner than it did. I'll give his written statement a closer look, but the timeline, clock and google maps analysis that fatness hated so much may hurt George in the end.

It was unbelievable so much that the Police stated his story was deemed unbelievable. And thus arrested.

This is not quite correct.

I like the thus arrested part. Listen to Serino explaining why he isn't arresting George in the audio statement. For 44 days two different state's attorneys saw the evidence and refused to bring charges. Under extreme political pressure the Governor puts Corley on the case and she promptly cancels the grand jury, knowing the case was at high risk for being no billed, and brings charges herself with this... this affidavit of hers. Here's a little review for BST.

That's not accurate at all. I'm kind of disappointed in you.

Sorry, CH seems to be dropping Zim's water. Someone has to carry it if this thread is going 500 pages.From my link

Corey was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott to prosecute the case after Norman Wolfinger, the experienced state attorney for the 18th Judicial Circuit who had been in office 18 years, mysteriously announced that he was stepping down from the case, "to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest ..."

Even though Wolfinger had one of his most experienced career prosecutors, Jim Carter, involved in the case within hours of the shooting and had scheduled a grand jury to consider the case, he unexpectedly left.

To this day, there's no documentation or public statement about what possible conflict of interest existed. From the many I have talked to and from all that I have learned, it is my informed belief that there was no conflict of interest at all.

Contrary to some speculation, Wolfinger wasn't personally involved in the investigation and had never met Zimmerman or Zimmerman's father. Why was that prosecutors' office, which even Corey praised, replaced?

A grand jury could have appropriately considered the case. That's what grand juries do.

Was there a fear that the grand jury might consider the evidence and not indict? Sure looks like it. If that's true, then the question is whether a fair and impartial review of the evidence actually occurred. Or were the charges that Corey brought a foregone conclusion from the onset?

I think it's notable that the author, when first hired to cover this for CNN, was very much in line with the flawed media/mob narrative. Being a seasoned defense attorney and taking the time to dig into the details, he's now writing articles like the above. Kinda like me in this thread.

Any prosecutor could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. Zimmerman would not be a problem. That's why I said your "no bill" scenario was not accurate.

 

[pantherclub]

Whoa. Christo holding on to a 1 post lead over CH. 1494 to 1493.

 

[TexanFan02]

Whoa. Christo holding on to a 1 post lead over CH. 1494 to 1493.

Yeah, he's slipping. Maybe the "l","m","a" or "o" keys on his keyboard are broken and he doesn't know what to do.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Whoa. Christo holding on to a 1 post lead over CH. 1494 to 1493.

Christo's toast.

 

[Witz]

Whoa. Christo holding on to a 1 post lead over CH. 1494 to 1493.

Yeah, he's slipping. Maybe the "l","m","a" or "o" keys on his keyboard are broken and he doesn't know what to do.

 

[Chaos Commish]

You're in a fight. You're on top of some freak who was dogging you through a neighborhood. You're giving him a little beatdown and letting him know it with some choice words. He's screaming like a ##### for help, so you smother him and tell him to stphu. He squirms around so his shirt comes up and reveals a gun. You know you better grab it before he does. You tell him he's gonna die.

I understand the statement, if true, makes self defense a slam dunk, and I understand a bunch of you hate that outcome, but I can certainly see someone from Tray's background saying that. It seems like a bit of pretense to call it wholly unbelievable.

Dee Dee's statement, if you can work through it, accounts for the missing two minutes. George's doesn't. His video statements have the altercation happening sooner than it did. I'll give his written statement a closer look, but the timeline, clock and google maps analysis that fatness hated so much may hurt George in the end.

It was unbelievable so much that the Police stated his story was deemed unbelievable. And thus arrested.

This is not quite correct.

I like the thus arrested part. Listen to Serino explaining why he isn't arresting George in the audio statement. For 44 days two different state's attorneys saw the evidence and refused to bring charges. Under extreme political pressure the Governor puts Corley on the case and she promptly cancels the grand jury, knowing the case was at high risk for being no billed, and brings charges herself with this... this affidavit of hers. Here's a little review for BST.

That's not accurate at all. I'm kind of disappointed in you.

Sorry, CH seems to be dropping Zim's water. Someone has to carry it if this thread is going 500 pages.From my link

Corey was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott to prosecute the case after Norman Wolfinger, the experienced state attorney for the 18th Judicial Circuit who had been in office 18 years, mysteriously announced that he was stepping down from the case, "to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest ..."

Even though Wolfinger had one of his most experienced career prosecutors, Jim Carter, involved in the case within hours of the shooting and had scheduled a grand jury to consider the case, he unexpectedly left.

To this day, there's no documentation or public statement about what possible conflict of interest existed. From the many I have talked to and from all that I have learned, it is my informed belief that there was no conflict of interest at all.

Contrary to some speculation, Wolfinger wasn't personally involved in the investigation and had never met Zimmerman or Zimmerman's father. Why was that prosecutors' office, which even Corey praised, replaced?

A grand jury could have appropriately considered the case. That's what grand juries do.

Was there a fear that the grand jury might consider the evidence and not indict? Sure looks like it. If that's true, then the question is whether a fair and impartial review of the evidence actually occurred. Or were the charges that Corey brought a foregone conclusion from the onset?

I think it's notable that the author, when first hired to cover this for CNN, was very much in line with the flawed media/mob narrative. Being a seasoned defense attorney and taking the time to dig into the details, he's now writing articles like the above. Kinda like me in this thread.

Any prosecutor could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. Zimmerman would not be a problem. That's why I said your "no bill" scenario was not accurate.

You can characterize it as inaccurate but that doesn't make it so. This case fit several criteria to land in the >1% to be no billed. Those stats are also skewed by thousands of rubber stamped grand juries every week. This was no rubber stamp given the lack of arrest for so long, the wording in Florida statutes, and the weak, questionable evidence. I think fear of losing the case reasonably explains canceling the grand jury, and I'm in good company with some big legal brains who feel the same. Why do you think she sidestepped it?

 

[TexanFan02]

You're in a fight. You're on top of some freak who was dogging you through a neighborhood. You're giving him a little beatdown and letting him know it with some choice words. He's screaming like a ##### for help, so you smother him and tell him to stphu. He squirms around so his shirt comes up and reveals a gun. You know you better grab it before he does. You tell him he's gonna die.

I understand the statement, if true, makes self defense a slam dunk, and I understand a bunch of you hate that outcome, but I can certainly see someone from Tray's background saying that. It seems like a bit of pretense to call it wholly unbelievable.

Dee Dee's statement, if you can work through it, accounts for the missing two minutes. George's doesn't. His video statements have the altercation happening sooner than it did. I'll give his written statement a closer look, but the timeline, clock and google maps analysis that fatness hated so much may hurt George in the end.

It was unbelievable so much that the Police stated his story was deemed unbelievable. And thus arrested.

This is not quite correct.

I like the thus arrested part. Listen to Serino explaining why he isn't arresting George in the audio statement. For 44 days two different state's attorneys saw the evidence and refused to bring charges. Under extreme political pressure the Governor puts Corley on the case and she promptly cancels the grand jury, knowing the case was at high risk for being no billed, and brings charges herself with this... this affidavit of hers. Here's a little review for BST.

That's not accurate at all. I'm kind of disappointed in you.

Sorry, CH seems to be dropping Zim's water. Someone has to carry it if this thread is going 500 pages.From my link

Corey was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott to prosecute the case after Norman Wolfinger, the experienced state attorney for the 18th Judicial Circuit who had been in office 18 years, mysteriously announced that he was stepping down from the case, "to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest ..."

Even though Wolfinger had one of his most experienced career prosecutors, Jim Carter, involved in the case within hours of the shooting and had scheduled a grand jury to consider the case, he unexpectedly left.

To this day, there's no documentation or public statement about what possible conflict of interest existed. From the many I have talked to and from all that I have learned, it is my informed belief that there was no conflict of interest at all.

Contrary to some speculation, Wolfinger wasn't personally involved in the investigation and had never met Zimmerman or Zimmerman's father. Why was that prosecutors' office, which even Corey praised, replaced?

A grand jury could have appropriately considered the case. That's what grand juries do.

Was there a fear that the grand jury might consider the evidence and not indict? Sure looks like it. If that's true, then the question is whether a fair and impartial review of the evidence actually occurred. Or were the charges that Corey brought a foregone conclusion from the onset?

I think it's notable that the author, when first hired to cover this for CNN, was very much in line with the flawed media/mob narrative. Being a seasoned defense attorney and taking the time to dig into the details, he's now writing articles like the above. Kinda like me in this thread.

Any prosecutor could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. Zimmerman would not be a problem. That's why I said your "no bill" scenario was not accurate.

You can characterize it as inaccurate but that doesn't make it so. This case fit several criteria to land in the >1% to be no billed. Those stats are also skewed by thousands of rubber stamped grand juries every week. This was no rubber stamp given the lack of arrest for so long, the wording in Florida statutes, and the weak, questionable evidence. I think fear of losing the case reasonably explains canceling the grand jury, and I'm in good company with some big legal brains who feel the same. Why do you think she sidestepped it?

She didn't sidestep it. She felt she had a strong enough case that she didn't need a grand jury. And I don't think you understand how grand juries work, based on your statements. No defense counsel allowed, the prosecution gets to present their evidence, that's pretty much all they hear. That's why they almost always indict. She could have made her case easily, but she didn't need to.

 

[Guest]

Whoa. Christo holding on to a 1 post lead over CH. 1494 to 1493.

Christo's toast.

They might be the same person. :mindblown:

 

[pittstownkiller]

You're in a fight. You're on top of some freak who was dogging you through a neighborhood. You're giving him a little beatdown and letting him know it with some choice words. He's screaming like a ##### for help, so you smother him and tell him to stphu. He squirms around so his shirt comes up and reveals a gun. You know you better grab it before he does. You tell him he's gonna die.

I understand the statement, if true, makes self defense a slam dunk, and I understand a bunch of you hate that outcome, but I can certainly see someone from Tray's background saying that. It seems like a bit of pretense to call it wholly unbelievable.

Dee Dee's statement, if you can work through it, accounts for the missing two minutes. George's doesn't. His video statements have the altercation happening sooner than it did. I'll give his written statement a closer look, but the timeline, clock and google maps analysis that fatness hated so much may hurt George in the end.

It was unbelievable so much that the Police stated his story was deemed unbelievable. And thus arrested.

This is not quite correct.

I like the thus arrested part. Listen to Serino explaining why he isn't arresting George in the audio statement. For 44 days two different state's attorneys saw the evidence and refused to bring charges. Under extreme political pressure the Governor puts Corley on the case and she promptly cancels the grand jury, knowing the case was at high risk for being no billed, and brings charges herself with this... this affidavit of hers. Here's a little review for BST.

That's not accurate at all. I'm kind of disappointed in you.

Sorry, CH seems to be dropping Zim's water. Someone has to carry it if this thread is going 500 pages.From my link

Corey was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott to prosecute the case after Norman Wolfinger, the experienced state attorney for the 18th Judicial Circuit who had been in office 18 years, mysteriously announced that he was stepping down from the case, "to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest ..."

Even though Wolfinger had one of his most experienced career prosecutors, Jim Carter, involved in the case within hours of the shooting and had scheduled a grand jury to consider the case, he unexpectedly left.

To this day, there's no documentation or public statement about what possible conflict of interest existed. From the many I have talked to and from all that I have learned, it is my informed belief that there was no conflict of interest at all.

Contrary to some speculation, Wolfinger wasn't personally involved in the investigation and had never met Zimmerman or Zimmerman's father. Why was that prosecutors' office, which even Corey praised, replaced?

A grand jury could have appropriately considered the case. That's what grand juries do.

Was there a fear that the grand jury might consider the evidence and not indict? Sure looks like it. If that's true, then the question is whether a fair and impartial review of the evidence actually occurred. Or were the charges that Corey brought a foregone conclusion from the onset?

I think it's notable that the author, when first hired to cover this for CNN, was very much in line with the flawed media/mob narrative. Being a seasoned defense attorney and taking the time to dig into the details, he's now writing articles like the above. Kinda like me in this thread.

Any prosecutor could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. Zimmerman would not be a problem. That's why I said your "no bill" scenario was not accurate.

You can characterize it as inaccurate but that doesn't make it so. This case fit several criteria to land in the >1% to be no billed. Those stats are also skewed by thousands of rubber stamped grand juries every week. This was no rubber stamp given the lack of arrest for so long, the wording in Florida statutes, and the weak, questionable evidence. I think fear of losing the case reasonably explains canceling the grand jury, and I'm in good company with some big legal brains who feel the same. Why do you think she sidestepped it?

She didn't sidestep it. She felt she had a strong enough case that she didn't need a grand jury. And I don't think you understand how grand juries work, based on your statements. No defense counsel allowed, the prosecution gets to present their evidence, that's pretty much all they hear. That's why they almost always indict. She could have made her case easily, but she didn't need to.

I am going to usurp one of Christo's post tallies for myself:

 

[TexanFan02]

You aren't channeling Christo very well, he's said himself that a grand jury would convict a ham sandwich.

 

[pittstownkiller]

You aren't channeling Christo very well, he's said himself that a grand jury would convict a ham sandwich.

I believe ththat word should be "could". BTW, your previous post is inane.

 

[TexanFan02]

You aren't channeling Christo very well, he's said himself that a grand jury would convict a ham sandwich.

I believe ththat word should be "could". BTW, your previous post is inane.

Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 

[mad sweeney]

Says you in your attempts to not villainize the kid. Oh wait, I know, you're just playing devil's advocate. Go through your 1000s of posts in here, I'm not gonna do it to give you a link.

Sounds like you made an assumption..

Like Trayvon's life was heading towards dying by a gun anyway. Sorry, MAY be, even though you make it seem likely. Thank goodness you don't make any.

Your scarecrow falling apart on you?

What scarecrow is that?

The one you construct while misconstruing what I said... I never said Trayvon's life was "heading towards dying by a gun anyway"

I never said you did.

Good, discussion over then..

Would you like to admit something then? I do realize it must be hard for you to keep track of everyone that thinks your posts are clownworthy, since it's just about everyone. Some mistakes are bound to happen.

Admit to what? You were attacking me for something I didn't say. I'm sorry you guys want Zimmerman's head on a platter, and the only people you can take it out on are the people that don't feel the way you do.. But you insinuate that I say something, and argue against it.. I say "when did I say that".. You say "I didn't say you said it".. So, you're arguing with yourself.. No need for me to continue..

I asked when I said something specific about what you said. I said plenty about your villianization of Martin, but your hyperbolic, myopic mindset that's the most Pro-Z in the entire thread won't let you actually see what's written. I say something is "fairly typical" and you start ranting about how oooohhhh look, EVERYONE must do it, that's normal!. You ignore what's actually being said and go overboard in your rabid attempts to defend anything that isn't staunchly pro Zimmerman. Then you can't even accept a compliment when someone points out the one time it the entire thread that you've been rational. What a ridiculous piece of work you are.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Sounds like you made an assumption..

Like Trayvon's life was heading towards dying by a gun anyway. Sorry, MAY be, even though you make it seem likely. Thank goodness you don't make any.

Your scarecrow falling apart on you?

What scarecrow is that?

The one you construct while misconstruing what I said... I never said Trayvon's life was "heading towards dying by a gun anyway"

I never said you did.

Good, discussion over then..

Would you like to admit something then? I do realize it must be hard for you to keep track of everyone that thinks your posts are clownworthy, since it's just about everyone. Some mistakes are bound to happen.

Admit to what? You were attacking me for something I didn't say. I'm sorry you guys want Zimmerman's head on a platter, and the only people you can take it out on are the people that don't feel the way you do.. But you insinuate that I say something, and argue against it.. I say "when did I say that".. You say "I didn't say you said it".. So, you're arguing with yourself.. No need for me to continue..

I asked when I said something specific about what you said. I said plenty about your villianization of Martin, but your hyperbolic, myopic mindset that's the most Pro-Z in the entire thread won't let you actually see what's written. I say something is "fairly typical" and you start ranting about how oooohhhh look, EVERYONE must do it, that's normal!. You ignore what's actually being said and go overboard in your rabid attempts to defend anything that isn't staunchly pro Zimmerman. Then you can't even accept a compliment when someone points out the one time it the entire thread that you've been rational. What a ridiculous piece of work you are.

You paint it however you want.. And we can move along..

 

[pantherclub]

The way Hustler is trying to backtrack after this new round of info is pretty pathetic.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11

The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Sounds believable to me...

 

[SacramentoBob]

Milestone achieved!

Carolina Hustler 1495

Christo 1494

 

[TexanFan02]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Sounds believable to me...

Of course it does

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

Careful - your anti-Zimmerman is showing. If this was taken a few days later or a week later, you could make that argument but this was taken the next day. How long was he at the police station the prior night? Doesn't seem like a lot of time to come up with a rehearsed story (unless it was the truth as he stated).

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

Careful - your anti-Zimmerman is showing. If this was taken a few days later or a week later, you could make that argument but this was taken the next day. How long was he at the police station the prior night? Doesn't seem like a lot of time to come up with a rehearsed story (unless it was the truth as he stated).

Honest question, do you think he sounded sincere?Even Hustler has his doubts.

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

What part?

Still on the phone with non-emergency officials, Zimmerman said he got out of his vehicle to try to find a street address. When the dispatcher told Zimmerman that officers didn't need him to follow Martin, Zimmerman allegedly started walking back to his car, where he planned to meet the responding officer.

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

Careful - your anti-Zimmerman is showing. If this was taken a few days later or a week later, you could make that argument but this was taken the next day. How long was he at the police station the prior night? Doesn't seem like a lot of time to come up with a rehearsed story (unless it was the truth as he stated).

Honest question, do you think he sounded sincere?Even Hustler has his doubts.

He looked pretty calm in the portion of the video I saw. I didn't watch the whole thing but watched the part where he spoke about how Martin was hitting him and how the struggle occurred with the gun and he seemed to explain what happened without pausing or thinking about what to say. Rather he just spoke about what happened without hesitation. Who really knows.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11

The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

Careful - your anti-Zimmerman is showing. If this was taken a few days later or a week later, you could make that argument but this was taken the next day. How long was he at the police station the prior night? Doesn't seem like a lot of time to come up with a rehearsed story (unless it was the truth as he stated).

Honest question, do you think he sounded sincere?Even Hustler has his doubts.

He looked pretty calm in the portion of the video I saw. I didn't watch the whole thing but watched the part where he spoke about how Martin was hitting him and how the struggle occurred with the gun and he seemed to explain what happened without pausing or thinking about what to say. Rather he just spoke about what happened without hesitation.

Who really knows.

thats pretty much it, ZImmer knows if he gives a calm straight forward self defense story then he is clear. It all sounds too "perfect" to me, from the getting out of the car to see the street address, to the "Today you die", Trayvon jumping out of the bushes and the reaching for the gun part. It all seems to concocted.

 

[TexanFan02]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

What part?

Take off your Zimmerman glasses and you'll figure it out. It will be brought up a trial if you can't.

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

What part?

Take off your Zimmerman glasses and you'll figure it out. It will be brought up a trial if you can't.

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

This is a perfect post but not for the reason you think. The pro-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that support his claim while the anti-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that don't. Stay story, different piece of information. This is just one more piece of information that is going to add up to reasonable doubt in this case.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

This is a perfect post but not for the reason you think. The pro-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that support his claim while the anti-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that don't. Stay story, different piece of information. This is just one more piece of information that is going to add up to reasonable doubt in this case.

Did you think i thought the pro-zimms would agree with me?

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

This is a perfect post but not for the reason you think. The pro-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that support his claim while the anti-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that don't. Stay story, different piece of information. This is just one more piece of information that is going to add up to reasonable doubt in this case.

Did you think i thought the pro-zimms would agree with me?

Not at all - sorry if I wasn't clear. I was just saying that the video is just one more piece of information that has come up that each side will use to prove their position is the valid one.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

This is a perfect post but not for the reason you think. The pro-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that support his claim while the anti-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that don't. Stay story, different piece of information. This is just one more piece of information that is going to add up to reasonable doubt in this case.

Did you think i thought the pro-zimms would agree with me?

Not at all - sorry if I wasn't clear. I was just saying that the video is just one more piece of information that has come up that each side will use to prove their position is the valid one.

Not when zimms own story contradicts the 911 call he made.The timeline doesnt add up if we are to believe his walk thru with the cops.

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

This is a perfect post but not for the reason you think. The pro-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that support his claim while the anti-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that don't. Stay story, different piece of information. This is just one more piece of information that is going to add up to reasonable doubt in this case.

Did you think i thought the pro-zimms would agree with me?

Not at all - sorry if I wasn't clear. I was just saying that the video is just one more piece of information that has come up that each side will use to prove their position is the valid one.

Not when zimms own story contradicts the 911 call he made.The timeline doesnt add up if we are to believe his walk thru with the cops.

If his story contradicts the emergency call as you say, that would be all over the news, yet it hasn't. Why is that? The networks would love to lead with a story like that. Maybe they're not because, I don't know, you're seeing what you want to see to fit your agenda? There are folks that get paid to sort through this stuff for the networks who know this case front and back (as opposed to posting on a fantasy football message board).Again - my earlier point continues to be proven. Folks will continue to see what they want to see.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11

The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

This is a perfect post but not for the reason you think. The pro-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that support his claim while the anti-zimmerman folks will look at the video and find parts that don't. Stay story, different piece of information.

This is just one more piece of information that is going to add up to reasonable doubt in this case.

Did you think i thought the pro-zimms would agree with me?

Not at all - sorry if I wasn't clear. I was just saying that the video is just one more piece of information that has come up that each side will use to prove their position is the valid one.

Not when zimms own story contradicts the 911 call he made.The timeline doesnt add up if we are to believe his walk thru with the cops.

If his story contradicts the emergency call as you say, that would be all over the news, yet it hasn't. Why is that? The networks would love to lead with a story like that. Maybe they're not because, I don't know, you're seeing what you want to see to fit your agenda? There are folks that get paid to sort through this stuff for the networks who know this case front and back (as opposed to posting on a fantasy football message board).

Again - my earlier point continues to be proven. Folks will continue to see what they want to see.

Detectives who questioned George Zimmerman in the days after he fatally shot Trayvon Martin grilled him on his story and said some of his statements were inconsistent, according to video and audio police tapes released Thursday.http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/2012-06-21/video-shows-zimmerman-recounting-trayvon-martin-shooting-police?v=

In an interrogation at the police station, a detective points out inconsistencies in his story, particularly Zimmerman's claim that Martin confronted him, punched him and slammed his head onto the ground when the teenager had no prior history of violence.

Zimmerman claims Martin confronted him after the neighborhood watch leader had given up searching for him and was walking back to his truck. But there doesn't appear to be a place to hide in the area where Zimmerman says Martin suddenly appeared, Hill pointed out.

Criminal defense attorney Blaine McChesney, who also is not involved in the case, said he found parts of Zimmerman's re-enactment difficult to envision, such as his account of how he was able to reach for his gun with Martin on top of him. Zimmerman said he got on top of Martin after the shooting to restrain him.

"I also find it strange that Zimmerman would have attempted to use both his arms to hold Martin facedown, re-holstering his firearm, given those circumstances," McChesney said. "Once out from under Martin's alleged attack, it would have been more logical to hold Martin at gunpoint from a few feet away until police arrived."

He asked Zimmerman to explain why he doesn't have bruises on his body or broken ribs. The two dozen punches Zimmerman claims he took are "not quiet consistent with your injuries," Sereno said.

Martin's parents' attorney Ben Crump couldn't immediately be reached for comment. But Crump said on his Twitter feed, "Everyone should review Zimmerman's objectively written statement in comparison to the 911 tapes which were previously released."

Crump did not elaborate.

Im sure there will be more to come in the next day or 2.

 

[kutta]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11

The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

I'm just curious - serious question. How do you think Zimmerman got the dings on his face and the cuts on the back of his head? It would seem like the sidewalk is about the only thing around there that could cause those injuries.And one more question. Have you ever been in a fight?

ETA: With a name like "busted knuckles" I would hope so...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Detective calls George Zimmerman 'the good guy,' but questions his account.

4:19 p.m. EST, June 21, 2012|By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

Three days after the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, a police detective told George Zimmerman he believed the neighborhood watch volunteer was "the good guy," but had issues with several aspects of his account of the shooting.

In a Feb. 29 interview, lead Sanford police detective Chris Serino prodded Zimmerman on several possible inconsistencies, and asked Zimmerman repeatedly if there was anything he was withholding.

The interview was one of several released Thursday by Zimmerman's defense.

Serino's first issue: Zimmerman's injuries. The cuts and bruises to his face, Serino said, were less serious than he would expect. Zimmerman says the teen punched him to the ground, then began beating him and slamming his head into the sidewalk.

"I've consulted a lot of people," Serino said, and the force Zimmerman described is "not quite consistent with your injuries."

He added that the sidewalk should have done more damage than the cuts to Zimmerman's head.

"Skull fractures is what happens with that," he said.

Serino noted that Zimmerman's defensive wounds were "essentially nonexistent," though he said Zimmerman's long sleeves may have protected him. There was also only one small injury to Trayvon's hand, the detective said.

Serino also questioned why Zimmerman didn't tell the teen that he was with the neighborhood watch. If he'd identified himself, Serino said Zimmerman "probably wouldn't be here right now."

Zimmerman said he was afraid, and didn't want to confront Trayvon. He said he wasn't pursuing the teen when he got out of his car.

"I walked to find the street name, to find a street sign," Zimmerman said. But that only left Serino with more concerns.

"Once again, something else I gotta try to explain away, how do you not know the three streets in your neighborhood [where] you've been living for three years?" Serino asked.

Zimmerman explained that he has a bad memory, and suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

In another interview the same day, Zimmerman said that he was afraid of Trayvon, but still got out of his car.

"So you basically jumped out of the car, to see where he was going?" Serino asked, to which Zimmerman replied, "yes."

"That's not fear," Serino said. "That's one of the problems I have with the whole thing."

Serino told Zimmerman an anonymous tipster had provided a different account of the shooting, "more along the lines you tried to detain [Trayvon]." Zimmerman said that wasn't what happened.

"You're the good guy here," Serino told Zimmerman. "If you tried to challenge this person, thinking that you had the authority to... that really could explain a lot."

Another issue Serino noted: Trayvon, he said, didn't have a history of violence.

"What set him off?" Serino asked. "There will be a question forever in everybody's mind."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-police-interview-20120621_1_police-detective-george-zimmerman-injuries

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman cooperated with Sanford police during their investigation, agreeing to five interviews and re-enacting what he says happened, but police said afterward that they doubted some of his statements, for example that before he shot Trayvon, the teenager had put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth.

If that were the case, police said, the cries for help in the background of one 911 call would be muffled

At the April 20 bond hearing, Investigator Dale Gilbreath testified that Zimmerman's version of events was inconsistent with other evidence. He did not provide details, and Zimmerman's statements have not yet been released.

Zimmerman's untrue statements

•The night he shot Trayvon Martin to death, police say Zimmerman told them his record was squeaky-clean. In fact, he had been charged in 2005 with resisting arrest without violence during an altercation with a state alcohol officer. Zimmerman wound up in a pretrial-diversion program, a scaled-down version of probation offered to nonviolent first-time offenders.

•When he was booked into the Seminole County Jail on April 11, he told the booking officer that he never had been in a pretrial-diversion program before, documents show.

•At his April 20 bond hearing, while making a surprise apology to Trayvon's family, Zimmerman said he didn't realize Trayvon was so young. In his call to police moments before the shooting, however, he described Trayvon — who was 17 — as in his "late teens."

•At that same hearing, Zimmerman sat silently and did not correct his wife, Shellie, when she, testifying under oath by telephone, said the couple had no savings. At that moment, the couple had at least $135,000 that she had transferred into her credit-union account a few days earlier from a PayPal account that Zimmerman had set up to collect donations

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-04/news/os-george-zimmerman-inconsistencies-20120604_1_trial-consultant-stand-your-ground-law-jurors-trust

 

[kutta]

Detective calls George Zimmerman 'the good guy,' but questions his account.4:19 p.m. EST, June 21, 2012|By Jeff Weiner, Orlando SentinelThree days after the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, a police detective told George Zimmerman he believed the neighborhood watch volunteer was "the good guy," but had issues with several aspects of his account of the shooting.In a Feb. 29 interview, lead Sanford police detective Chris Serino prodded Zimmerman on several possible inconsistencies, and asked Zimmerman repeatedly if there was anything he was withholding.The interview was one of several released Thursday by Zimmerman's defense.Serino's first issue: Zimmerman's injuries. The cuts and bruises to his face, Serino said, were less serious than he would expect. Zimmerman says the teen punched him to the ground, then began beating him and slamming his head into the sidewalk."I've consulted a lot of people," Serino said, and the force Zimmerman described is "not quite consistent with your injuries."He added that the sidewalk should have done more damage than the cuts to Zimmerman's head."Skull fractures is what happens with that," he said.Serino noted that Zimmerman's defensive wounds were "essentially nonexistent," though he said Zimmerman's long sleeves may have protected him. There was also only one small injury to Trayvon's hand, the detective said.Serino also questioned why Zimmerman didn't tell the teen that he was with the neighborhood watch. If he'd identified himself, Serino said Zimmerman "probably wouldn't be here right now."Zimmerman said he was afraid, and didn't want to confront Trayvon. He said he wasn't pursuing the teen when he got out of his car."I walked to find the street name, to find a street sign," Zimmerman said. But that only left Serino with more concerns."Once again, something else I gotta try to explain away, how do you not know the three streets in your neighborhood [where] you've been living for three years?" Serino asked.Zimmerman explained that he has a bad memory, and suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.In another interview the same day, Zimmerman said that he was afraid of Trayvon, but still got out of his car."So you basically jumped out of the car, to see where he was going?" Serino asked, to which Zimmerman replied, "yes.""That's not fear," Serino said. "That's one of the problems I have with the whole thing."Serino told Zimmerman an anonymous tipster had provided a different account of the shooting, "more along the lines you tried to detain [Trayvon]." Zimmerman said that wasn't what happened."You're the good guy here," Serino told Zimmerman. "If you tried to challenge this person, thinking that you had the authority to... that really could explain a lot."Another issue Serino noted: Trayvon, he said, didn't have a history of violence."What set him off?" Serino asked. "There will be a question forever in everybody's mind."http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-police-interview-20120621_1_police-detective-george-zimmerman-injuries

That's interesting. But I still don't understand how he would get the cuts on the back of his head. I know I've bonked my head pretty hard a few times, and it takes a lot to get a head to bleed.

 

[Charlie Frown]

Jeez, wake me up when the trial starts.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11

The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

I'm just curious - serious question. How do you think Zimmerman got the dings on his face and the cuts on the back of his head? It would seem like the sidewalk is about the only thing around there that could cause those injuries.And one more question. Have you ever been in a fight?

ETA: With a name like "busted knuckles" I would hope so...

I never said there wasnt a fight, i think there was after zimmerman confronted treyvon. I think the cops are right, the injuries arent consistant with his version of the fight.Ive been in more fights than i care to mention, and thats why i said this shooting was bull #### from day one. Zimmerman didnt have to shoot treyvon , even if he thought so. He could have curled up in a ball and treyvon would have walked away. Like i said, after much experience in street fights ive never felt the need to fear for my life , just my pride haha.

 

[kutta]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11

The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

I'm just curious - serious question. How do you think Zimmerman got the dings on his face and the cuts on the back of his head? It would seem like the sidewalk is about the only thing around there that could cause those injuries.And one more question. Have you ever been in a fight?

ETA: With a name like "busted knuckles" I would hope so...

I never said there wasnt a fight, i think there was after zimmerman confronted treyvon. I think the cops are right, the injuries arent consistant with his version of the fight.Ive been in more fights than i care to mention, and thats why i said this shooting was bull #### from day one. Zimmerman didnt have to shoot treyvon , even if he thought so. He could have curled up in a ball and treyvon would have walked away. Like i said, after much experience in street fights ive never felt the need to fear for my life , just my pride haha.

Assuming Zim did confront Martin (I'm inclined to believe that too, but I'm not sure), you agree that Zimmerman was getting his ### kicked, and probably had his head hit on the cement? I'm just trying to establish exactly what you are thinking here.I'm not sure I agree with the cops about the injuries. A punch in the nose and a couple head bangs on the cement seem like they would create those injuries.

And, do you really think curling up in a ball when you are getting your butt kicked and you have a weapon that your opponent could use against you is a good idea? I've been in a few fights myself, and I've seen my fair share, and IMO your choices are either fight like hell or run like hell. But curling up in a ball is just inviting a nice kick to the face.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Jeez, wake me up when the trial starts.

Dude...this IS the trial, FBG style

 

[BigSteelThrill]

and probably had his head hit on the cement?

Possible he slipped or was knocked off balance, remember it was raining, and hit his head on the cement at this point.1 hit... 1 fall... 1 head bounce... Trayvon jumps on Zim... pins him down... Zim shoots him.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman recounts shooting Martin in vivid detail at the police station.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12336010-zimmerman-recounts-shooting-martin-in-vivid-detail?ocid=ansmsnbc11

The one hour, 11-minute videotaped police interview was conducted almost exactly 24 hours after the single gunshot fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's chest.

Like how he lies about what the dispatcher said. He's used to lying though, apparently.

I just watched the whole video of him at the scene explaining how it went down . One thing i noticed is how expansive that place is, he says treyvon was walking slowly and kind of loitering while looking at houses , but treyvon seemed to make up a lot of ground as zimmerman was watching him...a lot of ground fast.His story just sounds full of half truths.

His story seems a bit.......rehearsed.

well he has holes all thru his story. He changed the discussion with the dispatcher to coincide his version of events. He leaves out important detials like him running after treyvon. He says treyvon was waaaay over by the buildings then turns around and walks all the way back to his truck and then circles it, then trey walks all the way back to the buildings and disapears. After seeing the distance he had to walk its a load of crap.I heard other things that didnt add up also, like the fight part. He says trey walks up from out of nowhere and assaults him. He had just walked by the spot betwen the buildings and looked and saw nothing(the second time he passed by that spot), the closest place that trey could have been where he wouldnt be seen is like 20 yards away near the apt`s, its a wide open area. Then he discribes the punch and he then realizes hes on the grass and knows he needs to be near the cement for his story to be true, so he says oh i must have stumbled this way towards the cement . Just sounds like he is adding what he needs to add to sound justified in the shooting, not at all believable more the most part.

I'm just curious - serious question. How do you think Zimmerman got the dings on his face and the cuts on the back of his head? It would seem like the sidewalk is about the only thing around there that could cause those injuries.And one more question. Have you ever been in a fight?

ETA: With a name like "busted knuckles" I would hope so...

I never said there wasnt a fight, i think there was after zimmerman confronted treyvon. I think the cops are right, the injuries arent consistant with his version of the fight.Ive been in more fights than i care to mention, and thats why i said this shooting was bull #### from day one. Zimmerman didnt have to shoot treyvon , even if he thought so. He could have curled up in a ball and treyvon would have walked away. Like i said, after much experience in street fights ive never felt the need to fear for my life , just my pride haha.

Assuming Zim did confront Martin (I'm inclined to believe that too, but I'm not sure), you agree that Zimmerman was getting his ### kicked, and probably had his head hit on the cement? I'm just trying to establish exactly what you are thinking here.I'm not sure I agree with the cops about the injuries. A punch in the nose and a couple head bangs on the cement seem like they would create those injuries.

And, do you really think curling up in a ball when you are getting your butt kicked and you have a weapon that your opponent could use against you is a good idea? I've been in a few fights myself, and I've seen my fair share, and IMO your choices are either fight like hell or run like hell. But curling up in a ball is just inviting a nice kick to the face.

Im just using the curl up in a ball as an alternative to shooting someone in a fistfight.I guess if i knew i could get away with murder i might let the bullets rip.Up here in mass. this guy would be screwed with his version of events, only in a stand your ground state can this be a viable self defense . In this state you have to retreat, period.I think he might have hit his head falling and wrestling around with treyvon(he only had 2 cuts on his head), but by his own admission he moved himself away from the cement so that want an issue anymore. Treyvon had one little cut on his finger, if he was raining down blows as zimmy claoms he would have had bruising on his hands. Ive had swollen fingers and knuckles and teeth marks on my hands after fights.

I doubt the whole treyvon went fir the gun story either.If anything zimm pulled the gun then it was treyvon just trying to not get shot by pushing the gun hand away from him....IMO.