Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[BustedKnuckles]

People sure do like the sling the "M" word around to cover all types of homicide, and by people I mean BustedKnuckles, and by "M" word I mean murder.

The world is not black and white, neither is the law, there are many shades of gray.

exactly

 

[BustedKnuckles]

c`mon 300

 

[BustedKnuckles]

When you can't make a valid counter argument just insult the poster. /brilliant

Its not an insult, a lot of what you say and how you say it sounds like the way they would say it.

 

[greenroom]

c`mon 300

 

[moderated]

c`mon 300

 

[jon_mx]

Wrong, im on record in this thread saying although i believe zimmerman is guilty of causing treyvons death and lying about what really happened, i think it would be almost impossible to get a guilty verdict.

That's an interesting choice of words. So according to your view of the world he is guilty, but you also believe in society's view of the world he is clearly innocent?

Whether Zimmerman's is found to be innocent or guilty in society's view is not really relevant to whether he is found guilty in a court room. I think today a slight majority of society finds him anything but innocent (see all of the lynch mob comments) but I am not so sure that if we limited he jury pool to just "pro Martin" folks that he could be convicted criminally.

there is a difference between being innocent until being proven guilty and being guilty until proven guilty. If zimmerman was accused of shooting martin yet he wasnt even in the area then yes, innocent until proven otherwise. When you are standing over a dead body holding the murder weapon you are guilty until proven othewise....IMO

Too many dumb comments lately. Killing and murder are two different things. Zimmerman killed Martin. That does not make it murder. Geez, it is pathetic that people want to blend the words as if there is no difference.

 

[jon_mx]

When you can't make a valid counter argument just insult the poster. /brilliant

Its not an insult, a lot of what you say and how you say it sounds like the way they would say it.

If by saying it the same way, you mean the correct way, you would be correct. Somehow knowing you are an ex-felon with a long history of fighting and no right to possess a firearm seems to make more sense of your postings. Doesn't really explain the lack of understanding the difference between killing and murder though.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Wrong, im on record in this thread saying although i believe zimmerman is guilty of causing treyvons death and lying about what really happened, i think it would be almost impossible to get a guilty verdict.

That's an interesting choice of words. So according to your view of the world he is guilty, but you also believe in society's view of the world he is clearly innocent?

Whether Zimmerman's is found to be innocent or guilty in society's view is not really relevant to whether he is found guilty in a court room. I think today a slight majority of society finds him anything but innocent (see all of the lynch mob comments) but I am not so sure that if we limited he jury pool to just "pro Martin" folks that he could be convicted criminally.

there is a difference between being innocent until being proven guilty and being guilty until proven guilty. If zimmerman was accused of shooting martin yet he wasnt even in the area then yes, innocent until proven otherwise. When you are standing over a dead body holding the murder weapon you are guilty until proven othewise....IMO

Im not speaking in court terms. Let me put into a context that explains this better. If you live with a roomate and its only you and him in the APT one day and you look in your wallet and notice 40 bucks missing , then the door bell rings and its some dude delivering around 40 bucks in chinese food, who are you going to think stole your money? You didnt see him take it but he is guilty until he can prove he didnt take it. Now if he had 2 friends over it wouldnt be so obvious, he would be innocent until you found out who stole it. Its not rocket science. Zimmerman even said he shot the unarmed kid. Hes guilty of taking a life .

If I was hungry I would probably be happy that he thought enough to get food for me.

 

[pittstownkiller]

People sure do like the sling the "M" word around to cover all types of homicide, and by people I mean BustedKnuckles, and by "M" word I mean murder.

The world is not black and white, neither is the law, there are many shades of gray.

exactly

I disagree the world is pass/fail, school teaches gray.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

After all, this Court would preside over and is the trier of fact in any immunity proceeding under Florida statute 776.032. In that proceeding, the Defendant has the burden to convince the Court by preponderance of the evidence that he is entitled to the protections of the statute. . . . Those protections are significant. If the Defendant prevails at that hearing, he is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action. Mr. Zimmerman fears that the Court has already decided that he is not worthy of belief regardless of the type of proceeding or the corroborative evidence that would support his testimony.

As I wrote last month, there are risks for Zimmerman and for the prosecution in a SYG hearing. But there still remains a distinct possibility that Zimmerman could walk, escape prosecution, if he were to prove his innocence by a preponderance of the evidence, as O’Mara notes. Recent data have shown how low a bar Zimmerman would have to meet.

Yet, Lester’s July 5 order was so stinging, I immediately wondered if Zimmerman’s chances in a SYG hearing were doomed. Even Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, told me that he thought “the credibility gap Zimmerman has created with this judge is a concern” with such a proceeding. But he added this upon hearing about O’Mara’s motion to disqualify Lester. “That’s not going anywhere,” Coffey told me. “Judges are allowed to say someone’s untruthful. That’s their job. To say this manifests bias or prejudice is routinely rejected.”

This is a gutsy move by O’Mara, as Lester will decide whether to disqualify himself. If the motion is denied, O’Mara can appeal to the Court of Appeals for the 5th District. Coffey told me that he thought such a move “will not succeed” there, either. But Friday’s development and the moves to follow make me wonder whether O’Mara would forego a SYG hearing altogether, especially if Lester stays on the case.

In a SYG hearing the burden is on the prosecution to prove its case. As Coffey explained it to me previously, “There are some lawyers who would think about whether it is better to avoid such a hearing, which would subject Zimmerman to cross-examination and, if unsuccessful, could negatively impact his chances for trial.” But he went on to say, “No defendant wants to wait for a jury, but in the trial, the burden is on the prosecution. And the jury will not be informed of Zimmerman’s deceit concerning his finances.”

And the person presiding over it all will most likely be Lester.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmerman-goes-judge-shopping/2012/07/15/gJQAvl2bmW_blog.html

 

[Christo]

After all, this Court would preside over and is the trier of fact in any immunity proceeding under Florida statute 776.032. In that proceeding, the Defendant has the burden to convince the Court by preponderance of the evidence that he is entitled to the protections of the statute. . . . Those protections are significant. If the Defendant prevails at that hearing, he is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action. Mr. Zimmerman fears that the Court has already decided that he is not worthy of belief regardless of the type of proceeding or the corroborative evidence that would support his testimony.

As I wrote last month, there are risks for Zimmerman and for the prosecution in a SYG hearing. But there still remains a distinct possibility that Zimmerman could walk, escape prosecution, if he were to prove his innocence by a preponderance of the evidence, as O’Mara notes. Recent data have shown how low a bar Zimmerman would have to meet.

Yet, Lester’s July 5 order was so stinging, I immediately wondered if Zimmerman’s chances in a SYG hearing were doomed. Even Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, told me that he thought “the credibility gap Zimmerman has created with this judge is a concern” with such a proceeding. But he added this upon hearing about O’Mara’s motion to disqualify Lester. “That’s not going anywhere,” Coffey told me. “Judges are allowed to say someone’s untruthful. That’s their job. To say this manifests bias or prejudice is routinely rejected.”

This is a gutsy move by O’Mara, as Lester will decide whether to disqualify himself. If the motion is denied, O’Mara can appeal to the Court of Appeals for the 5th District. Coffey told me that he thought such a move “will not succeed” there, either. But Friday’s development and the moves to follow make me wonder whether O’Mara would forego a SYG hearing altogether, especially if Lester stays on the case.

In a SYG hearing the burden is on the prosecution to prove its case. As Coffey explained it to me previously, “There are some lawyers who would think about whether it is better to avoid such a hearing, which would subject Zimmerman to cross-examination and, if unsuccessful, could negatively impact his chances for trial.” But he went on to say, “No defendant wants to wait for a jury, but in the trial, the burden is on the prosecution. And the jury will not be informed of Zimmerman’s deceit concerning his finances.”

And the person presiding over it all will most likely be Lester.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmerman-goes-judge-shopping/2012/07/15/gJQAvl2bmW_blog.html

The media has already taken care of that.

 

[Neofight]

After all, this Court would preside over and is the trier of fact in any immunity proceeding under Florida statute 776.032. In that proceeding, the Defendant has the burden to convince the Court by preponderance of the evidence that he is entitled to the protections of the statute. . . . Those protections are significant. If the Defendant prevails at that hearing, he is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action. Mr. Zimmerman fears that the Court has already decided that he is not worthy of belief regardless of the type of proceeding or the corroborative evidence that would support his testimony.

As I wrote last month, there are risks for Zimmerman and for the prosecution in a SYG hearing. But there still remains a distinct possibility that Zimmerman could walk, escape prosecution, if he were to prove his innocence by a preponderance of the evidence, as O’Mara notes. Recent data have shown how low a bar Zimmerman would have to meet.

Yet, Lester’s July 5 order was so stinging, I immediately wondered if Zimmerman’s chances in a SYG hearing were doomed. Even Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, told me that he thought “the credibility gap Zimmerman has created with this judge is a concern” with such a proceeding. But he added this upon hearing about O’Mara’s motion to disqualify Lester. “That’s not going anywhere,” Coffey told me. “Judges are allowed to say someone’s untruthful. That’s their job. To say this manifests bias or prejudice is routinely rejected.”

This is a gutsy move by O’Mara, as Lester will decide whether to disqualify himself. If the motion is denied, O’Mara can appeal to the Court of Appeals for the 5th District. Coffey told me that he thought such a move “will not succeed” there, either. But Friday’s development and the moves to follow make me wonder whether O’Mara would forego a SYG hearing altogether, especially if Lester stays on the case.

In a SYG hearing the burden is on the prosecution to prove its case. As Coffey explained it to me previously, “There are some lawyers who would think about whether it is better to avoid such a hearing, which would subject Zimmerman to cross-examination and, if unsuccessful, could negatively impact his chances for trial.” But he went on to say, “No defendant wants to wait for a jury, but in the trial, the burden is on the prosecution. And the jury will not be informed of Zimmerman’s deceit concerning his finances.”

And the person presiding over it all will most likely be Lester.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmerman-goes-judge-shopping/2012/07/15/gJQAvl2bmW_blog.html

The media has already taken care of that.

You, of all fbg, can appreciate a little well poisoning.

 

[humpback]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

 

[BigSteelThrill]

"I would try to push him off, but he was bigger, stronger and older," she said during the interview conducted on March 20, less than a month after the Feb. 26 shooting. The woman, who contacted prosecutors after Martin's killing, said she was 6 and Zimmerman was 8 when the alleged molestation began. It continued until she was 16, she said.

Investigators asked the woman why she was coming forward now. "This is the first time in my life that I'm not afraid of him," she replied.

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

:(

 

[TexanFan02]

"I would try to push him off, but he was bigger, stronger and older," she said during the interview conducted on March 20, less than a month after the Feb. 26 shooting. The woman, who contacted prosecutors after Martin's killing, said she was 6 and Zimmerman was 8 when the alleged molestation began. It continued until she was 16, she said.

Investigators asked the woman why she was coming forward now. "This is the first time in my life that I'm not afraid of him," she replied.

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

:(

Just an all around swell guy.

 

[Slapdash]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

:(

 

[TexanFan02]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

:(

Someone should bring it up in the Sandusky thread so they can transfer their outrage onto someone who's still alive.

 

[StrikeS2k]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

 

[TexanFan02]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

He told her he didn't like black people while molesting her. He's a d-bag who doesn't like black people. He killed a black person.

 

[Slapdash]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

:(

Someone should bring it up in the Sandusky thread so they can transfer their outrage onto someone who's still alive.

Do you want to break the internet?

 

[Chaos Commish]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

It started when he was 8 and she was 6. I really really love this case. The same witness has suggested George has been trying to hook up with her very recently, hoping to cheat on his wife and perhaps dump her. She also defends him in other parts of the interview. (The) One thing I agreed with TF02 about way back in this thread despite our different view of the legal deal, is that George Zimmerman is crazy. An egomaniacal, narcissistic, dishpit without direction who lives in a fantasy world that's left him lost to reality, always struggling with basic honesty. He also quite likely defended himself legally.

I've been toying with the idea of writing a novel tracking this story (cynical gonzo-esque comedy). I'm probably not up to it. The basic premise is that every character involved is laughable one way or another. Imo, this has become completely hilarious, all due respect to the grave nature of the topic. The idiots involved are funny. I have a huge file of junk that amounts to some nutty reading. I wouldn't know how to narrow it down. There's tons. I emailed the crazy to Carl Hiaasen advising him to do his fictional Florida hilarity with it, but he never replied.

Since this thread is taking this seriously, I'll get back on track. I change my opinion on Lester stepping aside. Between ItsMichaelNotMIke and MarinadeDave, it looks like I didn't have a clue what I was talking about re: Lester, his bond order, and recusing himself. Which makes me happy because Lester is great entertainment.

Lester is NOT going to grant immunity at an SYG hearing. Even if the statute backs him into that corner, which it should, he's already setting up his denial. And why not? Could you imagine being the judge who let George walk without trial? He'd have to join his family and legal teaming wearing bullet proof vests.

So that denial means a judge is going to rule the evidence isn't strong enough for an SYG/Self Defense immunity ruling. When this can be appealed is confusing to me, but I think I read not until AFTER the trial.

Anyway, here's another informed post from that michaelnotmike lawyer. Christo or any other FBG lawyers feel free to correct him for me.

 

[trogg78]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

Zimmerman seeking donations from Penn State supporters.

 

[TexanFan02]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

It started when he was 8 and she was 6. I really really love this case. The same witness has suggested George has been trying to hook up with her very recently, hoping to cheat on his wife and perhaps dump her. She also defends him in other parts of the interview. (The) One thing I agreed with TF02 about way back in this thread despite our different view of the legal deal, is that George Zimmerman is crazy. An egomaniacal, narcissistic, dishpit without direction who lives in a fantasy world that's left him lost to reality, always struggling with basic honesty. He also quite likely defended himself legally.

I've been toying with the idea of writing a novel tracking this story (cynical gonzo-esque comedy). I'm probably not up to it. The basic premise is that every character involved is laughable one way or another. Imo, this has become completely hilarious, all due respect to the grave nature of the topic. The idiots involved are funny. I have a huge file of junk that amounts to some nutty reading. I wouldn't know how to narrow it down. There's tons. I emailed the crazy to Carl Hiaasen advising him to do his fictional Florida hilarity with it, but he never replied.

Since this thread is taking this seriously, I'll get back on track. I change my opinion on Lester stepping aside. Between ItsMichaelNotMIke and MarinadeDave, it looks like I didn't have a clue what I was talking about re: Lester, his bond order, and recusing himself. Which makes me happy because Lester is great entertainment.

Lester is NOT going to grant immunity at an SYG hearing. Even if the statute backs him into that corner, which it should, he's already setting up his denial. And why not? Could you imagine being the judge who let George walk without trial? He'd have to join his family and legal teaming wearing bullet proof vests.

So that denial means a judge is going to rule the evidence isn't strong enough for an SYG/Self Defense immunity ruling. When this can be appealed is confusing to me, but I think I read not until AFTER the trial.

Anyway, here's another informed post from that michaelnotmike lawyer. Christo or any other FBG lawyers feel free to correct him for me.

I liked this part:

If all I had to do was lie to a judge to get him/her disqualified for bias, I’d lie to every judge who comes rolling down the pike, and I’d never go to trial. They’d run out of judges long before the statute of limitation runs out.

And we still agree that Zimmerman is a nutjob

 

[BustedKnuckles]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

he`s a pathalogical liar and a murdering rapist...im so happy im not someone who would defend this creep.

 

[Clifford]

"I would try to push him off, but he was bigger, stronger and older," she said during the interview conducted on March 20, less than a month after the Feb. 26 shooting. The woman, who contacted prosecutors after Martin's killing, said she was 6 and Zimmerman was 8 when the alleged molestation began. It continued until she was 16, she said.

Investigators asked the woman why she was coming forward now. "This is the first time in my life that I'm not afraid of him," she replied.

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

:(

Just an all around swell guy.

So almost 300 pages later and I am still basically 100% correct in the conclusions I completely jumped to. Well, except for the part about him actually doing it in self-defense.This case comes down to whether people believe his story. Not looking good.

 

[Christo]

So almost 300 pages later and I am still basically 100% correct in the conclusions I completely jumped to.

Are you talking about the ones where you accused anyone who didn't rush to judgment like you as being a member of Storm Front?

 

[humpback]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

Didn't say it was, most of the "discussion" in this 299 page debacle isn't, just doing my part to get to 300!

 

[Clifford]

So almost 300 pages later and I am still basically 100% correct in the conclusions I completely jumped to.

Are you talking about the ones where you accused anyone who didn't rush to judgment like you as being a member of Storm Front?

Yep. BTW, nice selective editing.

 

[TexanFan02]

So almost 300 pages later and I am still basically 100% correct in the conclusions I completely jumped to.

Are you talking about the ones where you accused anyone who didn't rush to judgment like you as being a member of Storm Front?

CH must be on vacation, now's your chance to catch up!

 

[Clifford]

Tell me what I've missed:

Dude lied to the judge about his funds available for his defense

Got caught trying to get GF to hide enough money to escape the country

Now has been named a molester and a racist

?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Tell me what I've missedude lied to the judge about his funds available for his defenseGot caught trying to get GF to hide enough money to escape the countryNow has been named a molester and a racist?

Was charged with felony assault of a police officer in '05. (resisting/battery)

 

[General Malaise]

Tell me what I've missed:

Dude lied to the judge about his funds available for his defense

Got caught trying to get GF to hide enough money to escape the country

Now has been named a molester and a racist

?

HERO!

 

[jon_mx]

Tell me what I've missedude lied to the judge about his funds available for his defenseGot caught trying to get GF to hide enough money to escape the countryNow has been named a molester and a racist?

Did George testify? When did George lie? Were there papers filed or something?

 

[TexanFan02]

Tell me what I've missedude lied to the judge about his funds available for his defenseGot caught trying to get GF to hide enough money to escape the countryNow has been named a molester and a racist?

Did George testify? When did George lie? Were there papers filed or something?

Yes, there was a motion filed saying he was indigent.

 

[StrikeS2k]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

He told her he didn't like black people while molesting her. He's a d-bag who doesn't like black people. He killed a black person.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

He told her he didn't like black people while molesting her. He's a d-bag who doesn't like black people. He killed a black person.

i dont think him killing a black person is if he killed a mexican maybe...

 

[StrikeS2k]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

he`s a pathalogical liar and a murdering rapist...im so happy im not someone who would defend this creep.

Aren't you the guy who said Kimbo Slice was going to be a great MMA fighter for like 2 years?

 

[StrikeS2k]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

He told her he didn't like black people while molesting her. He's a d-bag who doesn't like black people. He killed a black person.

i dont think him killing a black person is if he killed a mexican maybe...

I'm not laughing at the Trayvon Martin incident. I'm laughing at you and your posts.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

he`s a pathalogical liar and a murdering rapist...im so happy im not someone who would defend this creep.

Aren't you the guy who said Kimbo Slice was going to be a great MMA fighter for like 2 years?

i never said that

 

[StrikeS2k]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

he`s a pathalogical liar and a murdering rapist...im so happy im not someone who would defend this creep.

Aren't you the guy who said Kimbo Slice was going to be a great MMA fighter for like 2 years?

i never said that

within 2 years i say hes fighting top guys

 

[Christo]

Tell me what I've missedude lied to the judge about his funds available for his defenseGot caught trying to get GF to hide enough money to escape the countryNow has been named a molester and a racist?

 

[Christo]

So almost 300 pages later and I am still basically 100% correct in the conclusions I completely jumped to.

Are you talking about the ones where you accused anyone who didn't rush to judgment like you as being a member of Storm Front?

Yep. BTW, nice selective editing.

Do you mean the part where you've now concluded he wasn't acting in self-defense even though you don't know all of the facts?

 

[JShare87]

300?

 

[TexanFan02]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

He told her he didn't like black people while molesting her. He's a d-bag who doesn't like black people. He killed a black person.

Yeah, molestation is really funny. Why don't you go do that in the Sandusky thread and see where it gets you?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

he`s a pathalogical liar and a murdering rapist...im so happy im not someone who would defend this creep.

Aren't you the guy who said Kimbo Slice was going to be a great MMA fighter for like 2 years?

i never said that

within 2 years i say hes fighting top guys

i also saidAll i ever said about kimbo is i think he is better than a circus sideshow and he will get even better the more he learns.Dont write him off.

....i never said he was the next champ...but it does show hes serious about learning more than punches...relax

I`ll admit i got carried away with the Kimbo hype but i never said he was great. I related to his street background and felt he had the drive to do something ,i was wrong.

 

[pittstownkiller]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

 

[timschochet]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

Did Zimmerman kill an Arab, too?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Aren't you the guy who said Kimbo Slice was going to be a great MMA fighter for like 2 years?

Holy desperation Batman!

 

[StrikeS2k]

i also saidAll i ever said about kimbo is i think he is better than a circus sideshow and he will get even better the more he learns.Dont write him off.....i never said he was the next champ...but it does show hes serious about learning more than punches...relax I`ll admit i got carried away with the Kimbo hype but i never said he was great. I related to his street background and felt he had the drive to do something ,i was wrong.

Never said you said he was gonna be champ. But let's be serious. If someone reads all your posts on Kimbo there's no other conclusion to be had than that you thought he was going to be a top MMA fighter, despite all of us telling you he was too old to start an MMA career.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Aren't you the guy who said Kimbo Slice was going to be a great MMA fighter for like 2 years?

Holy desperation Batman!