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[jon_mx]

Family Rescued by George Zimmerman Cancels Appearance Fearing 'Blow Back'


By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) and CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)
July 24, 2013

The family rescued by George Zimmerman when they were trapped in an overturned SUV canceled a scheduled news conference today and is pleading for privacy.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla., about 5:45 p.m.

Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The Gerstles were expected to hold a press conference today at the office of Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara, but cancelled a few hours before it was supposed to take place.

"They have expressed to us that they are not comfortable doing media interviews at this time and they continue to ask for privacy," the Seminole City Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said the family had asked to speak, but then got concerned about the anger surrounding the controversial verdict.



"The family called because they wanted to address the media. I knew that if we did it in an organized way, it would help them get back to a normal life.. But they called today and said they were more worried about blow back from saying anything that would be favorable to George, and decided they did not want to do any media," O'Mara said.

The lawyer said that when he spoke to the Gerstles "their voices were trembling" and that they feared saying anything positive about Zimmerman "would be toxic."

O'Mara wouldn't say whether Zimmerman is now carrying a weapon since the Department of Justice asked that the gun and other evidence be sent to federal prosecutors who are reviewing the case.

But Zimmerman "should be [armed] given the threats against him," O'Mara said. He added, "If I were him I would leave" the country.

The Gerstles could not be reached for comment.

Zimmerman has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin and his acquittal prompted a flood of negative reactions and dozens of protests across the country. Zimmerman as well as his parents have received death threats.

The Thursday crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said, less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Family Rescued by George Zimmerman Cancels Appearance Fearing 'Blow Back'


By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) and CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)
July 24, 2013

The family rescued by George Zimmerman when they were trapped in an overturned SUV canceled a scheduled news conference today and is pleading for privacy.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla., about 5:45 p.m.

Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The Gerstles were expected to hold a press conference today at the office of Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara, but cancelled a few hours before it was supposed to take place.

"They have expressed to us that they are not comfortable doing media interviews at this time and they continue to ask for privacy," the Seminole City Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said the family had asked to speak, but then got concerned about the anger surrounding the controversial verdict.



"The family called because they wanted to address the media. I knew that if we did it in an organized way, it would help them get back to a normal life.. But they called today and said they were more worried about blow back from saying anything that would be favorable to George, and decided they did not want to do any media," O'Mara said.

The lawyer said that when he spoke to the Gerstles "their voices were trembling" and that they feared saying anything positive about Zimmerman "would be toxic."

O'Mara wouldn't say whether Zimmerman is now carrying a weapon since the Department of Justice asked that the gun and other evidence be sent to federal prosecutors who are reviewing the case.

But Zimmerman "should be [armed] given the threats against him," O'Mara said. He added, "If I were him I would leave" the country.

The Gerstles could not be reached for comment.

Zimmerman has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin and his acquittal prompted a flood of negative reactions and dozens of protests across the country. Zimmerman as well as his parents have received death threats.

The Thursday crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said, less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

Actually i read that a cop friend of zimmy`s called him and he rushed over to ''assist'' ...has to be true as i read it on the internet

 

[Doubtingthomas]

Dude needs to learn how to hide. Sounds like he is still roaming around the same area.

 

[The Commish]

at comparing Zimmerman to a famous football star and a woman who was turned in by her own mother for killing her daughter.

What Casey did is rare, as well as sick and twisted. That's what made it dramatic enough to be national news. And OJ's case was dramatic enough to be national news because he was a celebrity. What happened between Martin/Zimmerman isn't rare, and neither of them were celebrities. There's was no reason for it to be national news. A lot of flame fanning had to occur to get the nation heated over it.

I may be wrong about this, but I think people killing unarmed total strangers and then claiming self defense is kinda rare, regardless of the race of either party. Not saying it wasn't self defense, but this was not an everyday occurrence. It wouldn't have received national media attention were it not for the race of the parties, and the way the killer described the victim and his motivation for following him (which played into the racial angle), but let's not act like this sort of thing happens every day.

There are an average of 438 incidents per year of whites killing blacks in this county. There are an average of 853 incidents per year of blacks killing whites in this country. It's rare however for journalists to be fired for how they report incidents.

Great. Thanks for the irrelevant information.

I said it was noteworthy because I think people killing unarmed strangers and then claiming self defense is very unusual (especially when not on the assailant's property), and that race became an issue only because of the already unusual circumstances that caught everyone's attention. I don't know what a simple count of white on black or black on white murders has to do what that at all. If you had a count on the number of killings of unarmed strangers in which the assailant claimed self defense, that would be relevant. Do you have that information?

Nope. Don't have that info... Because it's uninteresting information.You can keep saying that is why the story got the hype it did. It didn't it was hyped because it was assumed to be a racial issue. That assumption proved to be wrong.

No, it got hyped because of the circumstances which led people to believe that it might be a racial issue. Circumstances affect whether something is "rare" and thus the media coverage. So a simple count of white on black or black on white crimes is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

The media didn't just pick a random white/hispanic on black crime and decide to run with a racial angle just to see what happened, which is how you seem to be portraying it here (that's the only reason your silly "count" would be relevant). They trumpeted this one because of the unusual circumstances. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you.

Commish compared this case to OJ and Casey Anthony.A celebrity being a key suspect in his wife's death: interesting

A mom turning in her daughter for murdering the daughter's two year old: interesting

Two strangers fight and one ends up dead from a gun shot: NOT interesting

The deceased being ten years old and the survivor of the fight saying racist things on the 911 call: interesting

Learning that the deceased was made to look like a ten year old victim by the media showing his ten year old picture to the nation, and then learning that the 911 call was edited by the media to make the survivor of the fight sound racist: no longer interesting... except to people who still believe he was racist.

Learning from the court case that the facts show he didn't act racially and defended himself legally: what an overblown media drama the whole thing was.... Except to those who are still sold on the false assumption he is a racist.

Nothing made this case any where near what Casey Anthony and OJ, except for the media fanning the flames of bogus assumptions made at the very beginning.

I made no comparisons of the cases. I simply pointed out the attitude towards the defendant by the public was similar in each of them. FWIW....what's "interesting" (odd choice of words IMO but we'll use them) varies from one person to the next. You didn't find this case to fit your criteria of interesting. What's comical is the "well, if it wasn't interesting to me, it shouldn't be interesting to anyone else and if it is those people must be morons" attitude. I tend to agree with Tobias on this in that the circumstances of this case aren't run of the mill. It's not your average "everyday" shooting in this country. It's triggered some pretty good discussions around our laws in some areas, but the MSM isn't concerned with that so you have to look for them.You seem angry with media more than anything. That's understandable I guess, but if you keep watching it or paying attention to it you're just fueling it.

The media had to manipulate the story to make it interesting because it wasn't interesting enough to profit from by itself.

It was plenty interesting to me for reasons already listened. What the MSM is doing is of no importance to me Case here in SC that is getting ready to start up as well that the MSM isn't covering....interested in that as well.

 

[jon_mx]

Family Rescued by George Zimmerman Cancels Appearance Fearing 'Blow Back'


By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) and CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)
July 24, 2013

The family rescued by George Zimmerman when they were trapped in an overturned SUV canceled a scheduled news conference today and is pleading for privacy.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla., about 5:45 p.m.

Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The Gerstles were expected to hold a press conference today at the office of Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara, but cancelled a few hours before it was supposed to take place.

"They have expressed to us that they are not comfortable doing media interviews at this time and they continue to ask for privacy," the Seminole City Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said the family had asked to speak, but then got concerned about the anger surrounding the controversial verdict.



"The family called because they wanted to address the media. I knew that if we did it in an organized way, it would help them get back to a normal life.. But they called today and said they were more worried about blow back from saying anything that would be favorable to George, and decided they did not want to do any media," O'Mara said.

The lawyer said that when he spoke to the Gerstles "their voices were trembling" and that they feared saying anything positive about Zimmerman "would be toxic."

O'Mara wouldn't say whether Zimmerman is now carrying a weapon since the Department of Justice asked that the gun and other evidence be sent to federal prosecutors who are reviewing the case.

But Zimmerman "should be [armed] given the threats against him," O'Mara said. He added, "If I were him I would leave" the country.

The Gerstles could not be reached for comment.

Zimmerman has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin and his acquittal prompted a flood of negative reactions and dozens of protests across the country. Zimmerman as well as his parents have received death threats.

The Thursday crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said, less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

Actually i read that a cop friend of zimmy`s called him and he rushed over to ''assist'' ...has to be true as i read it on the internet

That is probably about as true as the other 1000 pieces of crap you posted.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Dude needs to learn how to hide. Sounds like he is still roaming around the same area.

He's patrolling for his next target.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

at comparing Zimmerman to a famous football star and a woman who was turned in by her own mother for killing her daughter.

What Casey did is rare, as well as sick and twisted. That's what made it dramatic enough to be national news. And OJ's case was dramatic enough to be national news because he was a celebrity. What happened between Martin/Zimmerman isn't rare, and neither of them were celebrities. There's was no reason for it to be national news. A lot of flame fanning had to occur to get the nation heated over it.

I may be wrong about this, but I think people killing unarmed total strangers and then claiming self defense is kinda rare, regardless of the race of either party. Not saying it wasn't self defense, but this was not an everyday occurrence. It wouldn't have received national media attention were it not for the race of the parties, and the way the killer described the victim and his motivation for following him (which played into the racial angle), but let's not act like this sort of thing happens every day.

There are an average of 438 incidents per year of whites killing blacks in this county. There are an average of 853 incidents per year of blacks killing whites in this country. It's rare however for journalists to be fired for how they report incidents.

Great. Thanks for the irrelevant information.

I said it was noteworthy because I think people killing unarmed strangers and then claiming self defense is very unusual (especially when not on the assailant's property), and that race became an issue only because of the already unusual circumstances that caught everyone's attention. I don't know what a simple count of white on black or black on white murders has to do what that at all. If you had a count on the number of killings of unarmed strangers in which the assailant claimed self defense, that would be relevant. Do you have that information?

Nope. Don't have that info... Because it's uninteresting information.You can keep saying that is why the story got the hype it did. It didn't it was hyped because it was assumed to be a racial issue. That assumption proved to be wrong.

No, it got hyped because of the circumstances which led people to believe that it might be a racial issue. Circumstances affect whether something is "rare" and thus the media coverage. So a simple count of white on black or black on white crimes is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

The media didn't just pick a random white/hispanic on black crime and decide to run with a racial angle just to see what happened, which is how you seem to be portraying it here (that's the only reason your silly "count" would be relevant). They trumpeted this one because of the unusual circumstances. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you.

Commish compared this case to OJ and Casey Anthony.A celebrity being a key suspect in his wife's death: interesting

A mom turning in her daughter for murdering the daughter's two year old: interesting

Two strangers fight and one ends up dead from a gun shot: NOT interesting

The deceased being ten years old and the survivor of the fight saying racist things on the 911 call: interesting

Learning that the deceased was made to look like a ten year old victim by the media showing his ten year old picture to the nation, and then learning that the 911 call was edited by the media to make the survivor of the fight sound racist: no longer interesting... except to people who still believe he was racist.

Learning from the court case that the facts show he didn't act racially and defended himself legally: what an overblown media drama the whole thing was.... Except to those who are still sold on the false assumption he is a racist.

Nothing made this case any where near what Casey Anthony and OJ, except for the media fanning the flames of bogus assumptions made at the very beginning.

I made no comparisons of the cases. I simply pointed out the attitude towards the defendant by the public was similar in each of them. FWIW....what's "interesting" (odd choice of words IMO but we'll use them) varies from one person to the next. You didn't find this case to fit your criteria of interesting. What's comical is the "well, if it wasn't interesting to me, it shouldn't be interesting to anyone else and if it is those people must be morons" attitude. I tend to agree with Tobias on this in that the circumstances of this case aren't run of the mill. It's not your average "everyday" shooting in this country. It's triggered some pretty good discussions around our laws in some areas, but the MSM isn't concerned with that so you have to look for them.You seem angry with media more than anything. That's understandable I guess, but if you keep watching it or paying attention to it you're just fueling it.

The media had to manipulate the story to make it interesting because it wasn't interesting enough to profit from by itself.

It was plenty interesting to me for reasons already listened. What the MSM is doing is of no importance to me Case here in SC that is getting ready to start up as well that the MSM isn't covering....interested in that as well.

It wouldn't have become interesting to you if it wouldn't have become big news, and it wouldn't have become big news without the MSM's contortions..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Family Rescued by George Zimmerman Cancels Appearance Fearing 'Blow Back'


By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) and CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)
July 24, 2013

The family rescued by George Zimmerman when they were trapped in an overturned SUV canceled a scheduled news conference today and is pleading for privacy.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla., about 5:45 p.m.

Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The Gerstles were expected to hold a press conference today at the office of Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara, but cancelled a few hours before it was supposed to take place.

"They have expressed to us that they are not comfortable doing media interviews at this time and they continue to ask for privacy," the Seminole City Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said the family had asked to speak, but then got concerned about the anger surrounding the controversial verdict.



"The family called because they wanted to address the media. I knew that if we did it in an organized way, it would help them get back to a normal life.. But they called today and said they were more worried about blow back from saying anything that would be favorable to George, and decided they did not want to do any media," O'Mara said.

The lawyer said that when he spoke to the Gerstles "their voices were trembling" and that they feared saying anything positive about Zimmerman "would be toxic."

O'Mara wouldn't say whether Zimmerman is now carrying a weapon since the Department of Justice asked that the gun and other evidence be sent to federal prosecutors who are reviewing the case.

But Zimmerman "should be [armed] given the threats against him," O'Mara said. He added, "If I were him I would leave" the country.

The Gerstles could not be reached for comment.

Zimmerman has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin and his acquittal prompted a flood of negative reactions and dozens of protests across the country. Zimmerman as well as his parents have received death threats.

The Thursday crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said, less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

Actually i read that a cop friend of zimmy`s called him and he rushed over to ''assist'' ...has to be true as i read it on the internet

Now you're just making #### up..

 

[The Commish]

It wouldn't have become interesting to you if it wouldn't have become big news, and it wouldn't have become big news without the MSM's contortions..

Only problem here being the reality that I have no real idea what the MSM was "spinning" as I don't watch the MSM...other than that you're spot on telling me what interests me and why I had about two hours of exposure to the MSM on HLN during the trial and that was because my internet feed of the trial went down so I tuned them in to watch the trial. This was pretty interesting to me the day after my local news mentioned what had happened a couple days after it happened, before charge decisions were even part of the conversation.

 

[Politician Spock]

at comparing Zimmerman to a famous football star and a woman who was turned in by her own mother for killing her daughter.

What Casey did is rare, as well as sick and twisted. That's what made it dramatic enough to be national news. And OJ's case was dramatic enough to be national news because he was a celebrity. What happened between Martin/Zimmerman isn't rare, and neither of them were celebrities. There's was no reason for it to be national news. A lot of flame fanning had to occur to get the nation heated over it.

I may be wrong about this, but I think people killing unarmed total strangers and then claiming self defense is kinda rare, regardless of the race of either party. Not saying it wasn't self defense, but this was not an everyday occurrence. It wouldn't have received national media attention were it not for the race of the parties, and the way the killer described the victim and his motivation for following him (which played into the racial angle), but let's not act like this sort of thing happens every day.

There are an average of 438 incidents per year of whites killing blacks in this county. There are an average of 853 incidents per year of blacks killing whites in this country. It's rare however for journalists to be fired for how they report incidents.

Great. Thanks for the irrelevant information.

I said it was noteworthy because I think people killing unarmed strangers and then claiming self defense is very unusual (especially when not on the assailant's property), and that race became an issue only because of the already unusual circumstances that caught everyone's attention. I don't know what a simple count of white on black or black on white murders has to do what that at all. If you had a count on the number of killings of unarmed strangers in which the assailant claimed self defense, that would be relevant. Do you have that information?

Nope. Don't have that info... Because it's uninteresting information.You can keep saying that is why the story got the hype it did. It didn't it was hyped because it was assumed to be a racial issue. That assumption proved to be wrong.

No, it got hyped because of the circumstances which led people to believe that it might be a racial issue. Circumstances affect whether something is "rare" and thus the media coverage. So a simple count of white on black or black on white crimes is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

The media didn't just pick a random white/hispanic on black crime and decide to run with a racial angle just to see what happened, which is how you seem to be portraying it here (that's the only reason your silly "count" would be relevant). They trumpeted this one because of the unusual circumstances. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you.

Commish compared this case to OJ and Casey Anthony.A celebrity being a key suspect in his wife's death: interesting

A mom turning in her daughter for murdering the daughter's two year old: interesting

Two strangers fight and one ends up dead from a gun shot: NOT interesting

The deceased being ten years old and the survivor of the fight saying racist things on the 911 call: interesting

Learning that the deceased was made to look like a ten year old victim by the media showing his ten year old picture to the nation, and then learning that the 911 call was edited by the media to make the survivor of the fight sound racist: no longer interesting... except to people who still believe he was racist.

Learning from the court case that the facts show he didn't act racially and defended himself legally: what an overblown media drama the whole thing was.... Except to those who are still sold on the false assumption he is a racist.

Nothing made this case any where near what Casey Anthony and OJ, except for the media fanning the flames of bogus assumptions made at the very beginning.

I made no comparisons of the cases. I simply pointed out the attitude towards the defendant by the public was similar in each of them. FWIW....what's "interesting" (odd choice of words IMO but we'll use them) varies from one person to the next. You didn't find this case to fit your criteria of interesting. What's comical is the "well, if it wasn't interesting to me, it shouldn't be interesting to anyone else and if it is those people must be morons" attitude. I tend to agree with Tobias on this in that the circumstances of this case aren't run of the mill. It's not your average "everyday" shooting in this country. It's triggered some pretty good discussions around our laws in some areas, but the MSM isn't concerned with that so you have to look for them.You seem angry with media more than anything. That's understandable I guess, but if you keep watching it or paying attention to it you're just fueling it.

The media had to manipulate the story to make it interesting because it wasn't interesting enough to profit from by itself.

It was plenty interesting to me for reasons already listened. What the MSM is doing is of no importance to me Case here in SC that is getting ready to start up as well that the MSM isn't covering....interested in that as well.

Does the dependent deserve to live in an OJ or Casey Anthony sized societal prison despite it not being interesting enough for the media just because you find it interesting on it's own?

Do you at least recognize where I am going with this?... That the nation's feelings towards Zimmerman are in large part because of what the media did to fan the flames of false assumptions?

 

[The Commish]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

 

[The Commish]

Does the dependent deserve to live in an OJ or Casey Anthony sized societal prison despite it not being interesting enough for the media just because you find it interesting on it's own?

Do you at least recognize where I am going with this?... That the nation's feelings towards Zimmerman are in large part because of what the media did to fan the flames of false assumptions?

I don't know what your asking in the first part. The second part, I see where you're going and I think it's overly pompous to tell us what the country thinks and why they think it or what we should/shouldn't find interesting. I have no problem with you being angry at the MSM. They've really not interested me at all in this case and they don't now. I don't care what they do, have done, are going to do. For me to be angry or upset with the MSM means I have to acknowledge some sort of relevance of them to me. That's not going to happen.

 

[Mario Kart]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

I think its stupid for jurors to step out in any case. I also think its stupid to "go back" on your vote for conviction or acquittal. I also think this woman is stupid for putting herself out there, either in a sympathy way or financial way. I know it wont happen, but there should be a law that says jurors are forbidden to discuss the trial after the trial. I know there is too much that would go into that law in enforcement but this whole thing, what shes doing, is stupid.

Got to love America!!!!

 

[Politician Spock]

Does the dependent deserve to live in an OJ or Casey Anthony sized societal prison despite it not being interesting enough for the media just because you find it interesting on it's own?

Do you at least recognize where I am going with this?... That the nation's feelings towards Zimmerman are in large part because of what the media did to fan the flames of false assumptions?

I don't know what your asking in the first part. The second part, I see where you're going and I think it's overly pompous to tell us what the country thinks and why they think it or what we should/shouldn't find interesting. I have no problem with you being angry at the MSM. They've really not interested me at all in this case and they don't now. I don't care what they do, have done, are going to do. For me to be angry or upset with the MSM means I have to acknowledge some sort of relevance of them to me. That's not going to happen.

You're ability to dance around being honest is amazing. This shtick is worthy of an award.

 

[Witz]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

She is Tim (and not in a bad way, rather just in the way she expressed her thoughts).

She feels he got away with murder, but also says there was not enough proof that he was guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter.

 

[jon_mx]

So we are going to criminalize the first amendment rights of those people who do their civic duty??? Brilliant

 

[The Commish]

Does the dependent deserve to live in an OJ or Casey Anthony sized societal prison despite it not being interesting enough for the media just because you find it interesting on it's own?

Do you at least recognize where I am going with this?... That the nation's feelings towards Zimmerman are in large part because of what the media did to fan the flames of false assumptions?

I don't know what your asking in the first part. The second part, I see where you're going and I think it's overly pompous to tell us what the country thinks and why they think it or what we should/shouldn't find interesting. I have no problem with you being angry at the MSM. They've really not interested me at all in this case and they don't now. I don't care what they do, have done, are going to do. For me to be angry or upset with the MSM means I have to acknowledge some sort of relevance of them to me. That's not going to happen.

You're ability to dance around being honest is amazing. This shtick is worthy of an award.

I'm not dancing around anything. I am simply saying that I don't know what is driving others. I have no problem admitting that. I said that there are some that have probably gotten worked up over this case because of misinformation from the MSM, but I don't have any way of telling what percentage and neither do you. In the end, why they are worked up doesn't matter to me. You obviously think the MSM is some valid entity. I don't. Would you be angry if someone was upset because they got their news from the National Inquirer? I wouldn't....I'd laugh at them. Just like I laugh at anyone who pays attention to the MSM or puts any stock in their "journalism". I really don't understand why you are so hell bent on pinning this backlash on the media. There's a sender of information and receiver of information in every communication.

 

[Rayderr]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

So emotionally,she found ZImmerman guilty. But logically, she found him not guilty. Glad logic prevailed.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Trayvon Martin Juror B29: ‘George Zimmerman got away with murder’

Filled with regrets and doubt, the only minority on the Florida jury made up entirely of women that found George Zimmerman not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin says that she “can’t sleep at night.”

“George Zimmerman got away with murder,” Maddy, who declined to give her last name, said in an interview with ABC’s Robin Roberts on "Good Morning America," “but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with."

A 36-year-old of Puerto Rican decent, Maddy said that while she and many of her fellow jurors believed that Zimmerman was guilty of murdering Martin at a housing community in Sanford, Fla. on Feb. 26, “the law couldn’t prove it.”

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, who has previously been known as Juror B29, told Roberts. "But we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."

"As much as we were trying to find this man guilty … they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth, and the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told."

The question at the center of the case was whether Zimmerman, who confessed to shooting Martin, had acted in self-defense, and was therefore justified in using his gun against the teenager.

"That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."

Though she felt that her hands were tied when it came to rendering the verdict, Maddy says she still struggles with the outcome of the case.

"It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said.

The full interview with the juror will air on Friday on “Good Morning America.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913#ixzz2a5vwdgJ5

 

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This should keep thread going another 100 pages

BOOM!!!

 

[Johnnymac]

I get so tired of jurors coming out after the case and saying this stuff. If you think he was guilty of murder, how do you let him walk? Your instincts tell you what is right. The jury instructions are too confusing anymore. they get all tied up in the wording, etc. Vote with your common sense.

 

[johnnycakes]

That's it. Now we need the judge to speak out publicly, Casey Anthony style.

 

[Rayderr]

I get so tired of jurors coming out after the case and saying this stuff. If you think he was guilty of murder, how do you let him walk? Your instincts tell you what is right. The jury instructions are too confusing anymore. they get all tied up in the wording, etc. Vote with your common sense.

Well, not sure I agree with all of that, but I do agree that jurors shouldn't be coming out and saying these things. I believe most do it to try to profit it some way. I would love to see a law that says a juror can not accept any compensation whatsoever. No money for book deals, no perks for going on tv (i.e. airfare, hotel) can't reveal your real identity.

 

[johnnycakes]

I get so tired of jurors coming out after the case and saying this stuff. If you think he was guilty of murder, how do you let him walk? Your instincts tell you what is right. The jury instructions are too confusing anymore. they get all tied up in the wording, etc. Vote with your common sense.

Well, not sure I agree with all of that, but I do agree that jurors shouldn't be coming out and saying these things. I believe most do it to try to profit it some way. I would love to see a law that says a juror can not accept any compensation whatsoever. No money for book deals, no perks for going on tv (i.e. airfare, hotel) can't reveal your real identity.

I'd rather see a law that says they can do those deals, but any profits don't go to them personally, but some other worthy cause.

 

[Rayderr]

I get so tired of jurors coming out after the case and saying this stuff. If you think he was guilty of murder, how do you let him walk? Your instincts tell you what is right. The jury instructions are too confusing anymore. they get all tied up in the wording, etc. Vote with your common sense.

Well, not sure I agree with all of that, but I do agree that jurors shouldn't be coming out and saying these things. I believe most do it to try to profit it some way. I would love to see a law that says a juror can not accept any compensation whatsoever. No money for book deals, no perks for going on tv (i.e. airfare, hotel) can't reveal your real identity.

I'd rather see a law that says they can do those deals, but any profits don't go to them personally, but some other worthy cause.

Technically, this juror didn't profit. She just got an all expenses trip to NYC.

 

[otello]

"We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."

 

[Politician Spock]

Does the dependent deserve to live in an OJ or Casey Anthony sized societal prison despite it not being interesting enough for the media just because you find it interesting on it's own?

Do you at least recognize where I am going with this?... That the nation's feelings towards Zimmerman are in large part because of what the media did to fan the flames of false assumptions?

I don't know what your asking in the first part. The second part, I see where you're going and I think it's overly pompous to tell us what the country thinks and why they think it or what we should/shouldn't find interesting. I have no problem with you being angry at the MSM. They've really not interested me at all in this case and they don't now. I don't care what they do, have done, are going to do. For me to be angry or upset with the MSM means I have to acknowledge some sort of relevance of them to me. That's not going to happen.

You're ability to dance around being honest is amazing. This shtick is worthy of an award.

I'm not dancing around anything. I am simply saying that I don't know what is driving others. I have no problem admitting that. I said that there are some that have probably gotten worked up over this case because of misinformation from the MSM, but I don't have any way of telling what percentage and neither do you. In the end, why they are worked up doesn't matter to me. You obviously think the MSM is some valid entity. I don't. Would you be angry if someone was upset because they got their news from the National Inquirer? I wouldn't....I'd laugh at them. Just like I laugh at anyone who pays attention to the MSM or puts any stock in their "journalism". I really don't understand why you are so hell bent on pinning this backlash on the media. There's a sender of information and receiver of information in every communication.

An encore show! BRAVO!!!

 

[Bonzai]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

So emotionally,she found ZImmerman guilty. But logically, she found him not guilty. Glad logic prevailed.

I think it'd be more accurate to say that she found him guilty morally, but innocent legally.

 

[Rayderr]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

So emotionally,she found ZImmerman guilty. But logically, she found him not guilty. Glad logic prevailed.

I think it'd be more accurate to say that she found him guilty morally, but innocent legally.

I don't.

 

[Johnnymac]

It's like she's saying I thought the movie was excellent and then she writes a bad review. Makes no sense.

 

[The Commish]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

So emotionally,she found ZImmerman guilty. But logically, she found him not guilty. Glad logic prevailed.

I'm not sure how she arrived at her believing he was guilty.....the method is of no real consequence is it? She made it clear the evidence wasn't there to convict, so she couldn't. Whether emotion or logic guided her thought process only she can answer.

 

[greenroom]

It's like she's saying I thought the movie was excellent and then she writes a bad review. Makes no sense.

No what she is saying is that there was just not a lot of proof to put him in jail, however there was enough to know that what Zimmerman did was wrong. The problem is and has been is that there is only one side of the story and even though it has more holes than Swiss cheese, you cannot just assume the missing part in a court of law, but common sense you can make your own conclusions.

 

[Christo]

It's like she's saying I thought the movie was excellent and then she writes a bad review. Makes no sense.

No what she is saying is that there was just not a lot of proof to put him in jail, however there was enough to know that what Zimmerman did was wrong. The problem is and has been is that there is only one side of the story and even though it has more holes than Swiss cheese, you cannot just assume the missing part in a court of law, but common sense you can make your own conclusions.

Actually, a jury has the power to do just that. People get convicted all the time where we only know "one side of the story." A jury is allowed to use its common sense to fill the holes. This juror can say what she wants now. But she had the ability to hang the jury and she didn't do it. I think in the end her common sense told her that Zimmerman's story was a lot more compelling than she is now making it out to be.

 

[Rayderr]

So, question to those that are happy with them finding him not guilty. Would you feel the same way if this were a child molestation case?

People have been falsely accused of child molestation before, so yeah, if there's no evidence to support it, I would hope the person is found innocent.

 

[jon_mx]

she made as much sense as Tim.

 

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Family Rescued by George Zimmerman Cancels Appearance Fearing 'Blow Back'


By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) and CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)
July 24, 2013

The family rescued by George Zimmerman when they were trapped in an overturned SUV canceled a scheduled news conference today and is pleading for privacy.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla., about 5:45 p.m.

Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The Gerstles were expected to hold a press conference today at the office of Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara, but cancelled a few hours before it was supposed to take place.

"They have expressed to us that they are not comfortable doing media interviews at this time and they continue to ask for privacy," the Seminole City Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said the family had asked to speak, but then got concerned about the anger surrounding the controversial verdict.



"The family called because they wanted to address the media. I knew that if we did it in an organized way, it would help them get back to a normal life.. But they called today and said they were more worried about blow back from saying anything that would be favorable to George, and decided they did not want to do any media," O'Mara said.

The lawyer said that when he spoke to the Gerstles "their voices were trembling" and that they feared saying anything positive about Zimmerman "would be toxic."

O'Mara wouldn't say whether Zimmerman is now carrying a weapon since the Department of Justice asked that the gun and other evidence be sent to federal prosecutors who are reviewing the case.

But Zimmerman "should be [armed] given the threats against him," O'Mara said. He added, "If I were him I would leave" the country.

The Gerstles could not be reached for comment.

Zimmerman has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin and his acquittal prompted a flood of negative reactions and dozens of protests across the country. Zimmerman as well as his parents have received death threats.

The Thursday crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said, less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

Actually i read that a cop friend of zimmy`s called him and he rushed over to ''assist'' ...has to be true as i read it on the internet

Now you're just making #### up..

actually IM not..... http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictures-of-the-family-that-george-zimmerman-saved-from-a-burning-car-or-was-it-staged/

UPDATE 7/24/2013: Officer Patrick Rehder phone records show he tipped off George Zimmerman + source says Zimmerman “has a police scanner to listen in to any nasty accidents near him in need of a super hero”.. Accident was real. The rest was staged!

 

[StrikeS2k]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Ok Tim.

 

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Ok Tim.

Is that a yes?

 

[Christo]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

 

[squistion]

Actually i read that a cop friend of zimmy`s called him and he rushed over to ''assist'' ...has to be true as i read it on the internet

Now you're just making #### up..

actually IM not..... http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictures-of-the-family-that-george-zimmerman-saved-from-a-burning-car-or-was-it-staged/

UPDATE 7/24/2013: Officer Patrick Rehder phone records show he tipped off George Zimmerman + source says Zimmerman “has a police scanner to listen in to any nasty accidents near him in need of a super hero”.. Accident was real. The rest was staged!

 

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

All the evidence matches up with his head hitting the concrete. If you can come up with a different scenario that matches all of the evidence we know about, you'd be one step ahead of the prosecutors of this case. Not sure why you don't believe it.

 

[tdoss]

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She is Tim (and not in a bad way, rather just in the way she expressed her thoughts).

She feels he got away with murder, but also says there was not enough proof that he was guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter.

Except...unlike Tim...she said the following:

When asked by Roberts whether the case should have gone to trial, Maddy said, "I don't think so."

"I felt like this was a publicity stunt. This whole court service thing to me was publicity," she said.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Zimmerman just bought a Big Mac and found boardwalk!

 

[jon_mx]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Zimmerman embellished his story. Zimmerman's head was hitting the sidewalk during the struggle and he man managed to work his way on to the grass. When you are in a fight, you probably don't remember exact details. Zimmerman"s story was substantially true.

 

[tdoss]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

That's a scratch?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/George-Zimmerman-Head-Injury1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/20/new-photo-shows-george-zimmermans-bloodied-head/&h=360&w=640&sz=36&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=160&zoom=1&usg=__91x4W0cf-7bbZbrAPnVJzvVO0AA=&docid=3tYwR-jxgoqF6M&sa=X&ei=SMvxUfZFiNOKAv6lgMAF&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=256

 

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

All the evidence matches up with his head hitting the concrete. If you can come up with a different scenario that matches all of the evidence we know about, you'd be one step ahead of the prosecutors of this case.Not sure why you don't believe it.

He didn't even need stitches man. Do you really believe that if his head was banged into the concrete that is the only extent of his injuries? That should have cracked his skull or at least needing stitches or probably staples. He also would have most likely lost consciousness. He got into a fight with a kid 50 lbs lighter than him and shot and killed him. I dont believe he was ever in fear for his life. At least the evidence didnt show me that he should have been. But whatever, it is what it is.

 

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Zimmerman embellished his story. Zimmerman's head was hitting the sidewalk during the struggle and he man managed to work his way on to the grass. When you are in a fight, you probably don't remember exact details. Zimmerman"s story was substantially true.

And how do you know this? Because GZ said so?

 

[tdoss]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

All the evidence matches up with his head hitting the concrete. If you can come up with a different scenario that matches all of the evidence we know about, you'd be one step ahead of the prosecutors of this case.Not sure why you don't believe it.

He didn't even need stitches man. Do you really believe that if his head was banged into the concrete that is the only extent of his injuries? That should have cracked his skull or at least needing stitches or probably staples. He also would have most likely lost consciousness. He got into a fight with a kid 50 lbs lighter than him and shot and killed him. I dont believe he was ever in fear for his life. At least the evidence didnt show me that he should have been. But whatever, it is what it is.

And that exaggeration right there should tell us all enough to know not to engage this one further.