TexanFan02
Footballguy
NopeThis has to be the most blatant pot-kettle post ever made.That's right, you just like making smarmy posts.Not really.So now the lemmings are against a citizen being able to employ the lawyer of his choice
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There's nothing smarmy about me laughing at you guys' dumb statements.NopeThis has to be the most blatant pot-kettle post ever made.That's right, you just like making smarmy posts.Not really.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
no...just really eletist and arrogant as usual.There's nothing smarmy about me laughing at you guys' dumb statements.NopeThis has to be the most blatant pot-kettle post ever made.That's right, you just like making smarmy posts.Not really.
fatness
Footballguy
Why would you damn your peer? He's soaking the guy's supporters for all he can get.Yeah, damn him for trying to get paid for his efforts.I pointed out a lawyer using the press to cash in on his client. I can understand why you don't like that.That's right, you just like making smarmy posts.Not really.
Then use the right words.no...just really eletist and arrogant as usual.There's nothing smarmy about me laughing at you guys' dumb statements.NopeThis has to be the most blatant pot-kettle post ever made.That's right, you just like making smarmy posts.Not really.
How is he soaking them?Why would you damn your peer? He's soaking the guy's supporters for all he can get.Yeah, damn him for trying to get paid for his efforts.I pointed out a lawyer using the press to cash in on his client. I can understand why you don't like that.That's right, you just like making smarmy posts.Not really.
Neofight
Footballguy
Bull####. Christo is putting words in people's mouths and formulating counter positions to arguments nobody is making. Par for the course.You changed it. Christo made a statement about Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, you asked a question in response implying somehow $1,000,000 bail proves Zimmerman's guilt. Christo corrected the implication of your question. Bail is a right, it has nothing to do with establishing any sort of guilt.Why are you changing the question?Bail is a right. It's part of the process. The judge admitted as much. Why shouldn't he be able to exercise all of the rights we have as citizens?It would seem to me that the $1,000,000 is on George. Verdict is in on that; so why are these lemmings contributing still?No, the lemmings are still giving money to a murderer.
Bull####. Christo is putting words in people's mouths and formulating counter positions to arguments nobody is making. Par for the course.You changed it. Christo made a statement about Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, you asked a question in response implying somehow $1,000,000 bail proves Zimmerman's guilt. Christo corrected the implication of your question. Bail is a right, it has nothing to do with establishing any sort of guilt.Why are you changing the question?Bail is a right. It's part of the process. The judge admitted as much. Why shouldn't he be able to exercise all of the rights we have as citizens?It would seem to me that the $1,000,000 is on George. Verdict is in on that; so why are these lemmings contributing still?No, the lemmings are still giving money to a murderer.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Classic Christo. Trying to catch up with CH for most dumb post in the thread?Bull####. Christo is putting words in people's mouths and formulating counter positions to arguments nobody is making. Par for the course.You changed it. Christo made a statement about Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, you asked a question in response implying somehow $1,000,000 bail proves Zimmerman's guilt. Christo corrected the implication of your question. Bail is a right, it has nothing to do with establishing any sort of guilt.Why are you changing the question?Bail is a right. It's part of the process. The judge admitted as much. Why shouldn't he be able to exercise all of the rights we have as citizens?It would seem to me that the $1,000,000 is on George. Verdict is in on that; so why are these lemmings contributing still?No, the lemmings are still giving money to a murderer.
Seriously, I think English is a second language for several of you.Classic Christo. Trying to catch up with CH for most dumb post in the thread?Bull####. Christo is putting words in people's mouths and formulating counter positions to arguments nobody is making. Par for the course.You changed it. Christo made a statement about Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, you asked a question in response implying somehow $1,000,000 bail proves Zimmerman's guilt. Christo corrected the implication of your question. Bail is a right, it has nothing to do with establishing any sort of guilt.Why are you changing the question?Bail is a right. It's part of the process. The judge admitted as much. Why shouldn't he be able to exercise all of the rights we have as citizens?It would seem to me that the $1,000,000 is on George. Verdict is in on that; so why are these lemmings contributing still?No, the lemmings are still giving money to a murderer.
Christo did not put any words in anyone's mouth. When you call someone a murderer you are labeling them as guilty.Bull####. Christo is putting words in people's mouths and formulating counter positions to arguments nobody is making. Par for the course.You changed it. Christo made a statement about Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, you asked a question in response implying somehow $1,000,000 bail proves Zimmerman's guilt. Christo corrected the implication of your question. Bail is a right, it has nothing to do with establishing any sort of guilt.Why are you changing the question?Bail is a right. It's part of the process. The judge admitted as much. Why shouldn't he be able to exercise all of the rights we have as citizens?It would seem to me that the $1,000,000 is on George. Verdict is in on that; so why are these lemmings contributing still?No, the lemmings are still giving money to a murderer.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Yep. Guilty of Murder. And Perjury, apparently.Christo did not put any words in anyone's mouth. When you call someone a murderer you are labeling them as guilty.Bull####. Christo is putting words in people's mouths and formulating counter positions to arguments nobody is making. Par for the course.You changed it. Christo made a statement about Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, you asked a question in response implying somehow $1,000,000 bail proves Zimmerman's guilt. Christo corrected the implication of your question. Bail is a right, it has nothing to do with establishing any sort of guilt.Why are you changing the question?Bail is a right. It's part of the process. The judge admitted as much. Why shouldn't he be able to exercise all of the rights we have as citizens?It would seem to me that the $1,000,000 is on George. Verdict is in on that; so why are these lemmings contributing still?No, the lemmings are still giving money to a murderer.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Keep trying, you have some catching up to do. Oh, and smarmy.
Hasn't been charged with perjury and there is a trial which will establish if he is a murderer. Lots of people here want to bypass the legal system.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Yet.
So now you are assuming he is going to commit perjury.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Keep going. Might want to go back a few pages, you've been slacking.
I'm sure there have been a lot of laughable posts over the last several pages. But don't fret. I have faith that you guys will hit the "Add Reply" on a lot of dumb posts over the next several months.Keep going. Might want to go back a few pages, you've been slacking.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Of yours? You bet!I'm sure there have been a lot of laughable posts over the last several pages. But don't fret. I have faith that you guys will hit the "Add Reply" on a lot of dumb posts over the next several months.Keep going. Might want to go back a few pages, you've been slacking.
Of yours? You bet!I'm sure there have been a lot of laughable posts over the last several pages. But don't fret. I have faith that you guys will hit the "Add Reply" on a lot of dumb posts over the next several months.Keep going. Might want to go back a few pages, you've been slacking.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
You're going to have to try a lot harder. Carolina Hustler is lapping you in dumb posts.Of yours? You bet!I'm sure there have been a lot of laughable posts over the last several pages. But don't fret. I have faith that you guys will hit the "Add Reply" on a lot of dumb posts over the next several months.Keep going. Might want to go back a few pages, you've been slacking.
First things first. I've got a lot of work to catch up to you.You're going to have to try a lot harder. Carolina Hustler is lapping you in dumb posts.Of yours? You bet!I'm sure there have been a lot of laughable posts over the last several pages. But don't fret. I have faith that you guys will hit the "Add Reply" on a lot of dumb posts over the next several months.Keep going. Might want to go back a few pages, you've been slacking.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Keep going...First things first. I've got a lot of work to catch up to you.You're going to have to try a lot harder. Carolina Hustler is lapping you in dumb posts.Of yours? You bet!I'm sure there have been a lot of laughable posts over the last several pages. But don't fret. I have faith that you guys will hit the "Add Reply" on a lot of dumb posts over the next several months.Keep going. Might want to go back a few pages, you've been slacking.
timschochet
Footballguy
Nobody wants to bypass the legat system. If he's acquitted, so be it. But what's truly astonishing, Jon, is that you apparently WANT this guy to be acquitted. For you and some others he has become a conservative cause. And that's truly embarrassing. Just watching this guy a few times should tell you what kind of scum he is, and that he probably did it even though it will be difficult to prove. You're not on the jury; you should be running away from defending this guy .
TexanFan02
Footballguy
You're not going to make this easy, are you?
What is astonishing is people who label him as a murderer when the facts are so much in doubt and there hasn't been a trial. I don't want him to be acquitted, I want him to be treated equally as anybody and not railroaded into court because of media, public, and political pressure. If there was any evidence which suggest this was murder, I would be happy to see him put on trial and convicted. From every shred of evidence out there, this is not the case. You want to call my position astonishing. Come on Tim, it is the idiots in this thread who keep calling him a murderer. That is a factually incorrect statement until it is proven in court. It is astonishing that you side with such erroneous rhetoric which along with all the other false rhetoric in this case will probably fuel riots if this case goes a certain direction.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I don't believe there will be a riot if Zimmerman is acquitted.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
the judge sure has zimmy figured out, but what does he know hahahaha. You seem to know more than the people directly involved in this case. Zimmy`s story has been shown to be full of holes and inconsistencies since it was made public...get with the program bro.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Holy ####.
Charlie Frown
Footballguy
I would rather be Zimmerman than Martin. Just sayin'.yup...by bringing a gun to a fistfight...how clever and braveThe greatest country on earth. One which allows one to protect himself.what a country we live in when a man can shoot an unarmed teen and get rich afterwards by gun loving zealots throwing money at himIrony of the year....Rev. Al Sharpton criticizing Zimmerman for for how he raised money....
Charlie Frown
Footballguy
Your double standard on rhetoric is off the charts. You have polar opposite responses to it whether it is from the left or right.
That is ok. I am not going to get with your lynch mob justice program.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Can someone sum up what the two positions are in this case?
Is it as cut and dry as:
Zimmerman saw a suspicious person in his neighborhood, called the police, they advised him not to follow, he followed him, the youth confronted him in an angry non-violent manner which lead to Zimmerman to fatally shoot him.
vs.
Zimmerman saw a suspicious person in his neighborhood, called the police, they advised him not to follow, he followed him, the youth confronted him in an angry violent manner by assaulting him, pounding his head against the sidewalk which lead to Zimmerman to fatally shoot him in self-defense.
If so did he receive medical treatment at a hospital the same night and have those details been released? I know when I was assaulted I was a bloody mess and the hospital report itself stated: assault/trauma.
Is it as cut and dry as:
Zimmerman saw a suspicious person in his neighborhood, called the police, they advised him not to follow, he followed him, the youth confronted him in an angry non-violent manner which lead to Zimmerman to fatally shoot him.
vs.
Zimmerman saw a suspicious person in his neighborhood, called the police, they advised him not to follow, he followed him, the youth confronted him in an angry violent manner by assaulting him, pounding his head against the sidewalk which lead to Zimmerman to fatally shoot him in self-defense.
If so did he receive medical treatment at a hospital the same night and have those details been released? I know when I was assaulted I was a bloody mess and the hospital report itself stated: assault/trauma.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
He didn't go to the hospital. He had a couple of tiny cuts on his head. If you've ever had a cut on your head, you know how much it bleeds no matter how small. And you're missing the 3rd alternative:Zimmerman saw a suspicious person in his neighborhood, called the police, they advised him not to follow, he followed him, Zimmerman confronted Martin in an angry manner which lead to Zimmerman to fatally shoot him.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
On what part of his head?Your 3rd alternative makes it sound like it was premeditated murder.
Neither scenario is that accurate. Zimmerman was following him before the dispatcher said anything to him. After the dispatcher informed Zimmerman that he did not need to follow him, it is not clear what happened, if there was further pursuit or if Martin approached Zimmerman. Zimmerman had wounds cleaned up but he refused further treatment. He apparently had a busted nose, bruises on his face and some minor cuts on the back of his head. He did see his own doctor the next day. Witnesses saw them struggling on the ground with one them on top punching. Zimmerman pulled his gun (he claims there was a struggle) and shot Martin as close range.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
This is a pretty good timeline:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justice/florida-zimmerman-timeline/index.htmlthe parts about 7 911 calls all reporting hearing someone screaming for help and the fact that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head leads me to somewhat believe zimmerman's story:
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Ok. Do people think Zimmerman was doing the punching on top and then decided to shoot him for good measure? Was there any forensic evidence that suggest Zimmerman shot Martin while laying down on his back or while sitting on top of him? Did the bullet exit the body?
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Murder 2.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
The man on top was shot and rolled to the ground, and Zimmerman got up. There is one witness who claims the bigger man was on top, whatever that means. Some spin that as meaning Zimmerman, but that does not fit any of the other facts as we know them. About the only thing i heard from forensics, is that the shot was close range.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
medical reports:
When I got the snot kicked out of me, I had sore ribs, 1 black eye, and a fat lip - seems like if we can trust the report from the family doctor Zimmerman got it at least as bad if not worse.
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My bias is for fair justice. I am against the lynch mob screaming murderer, murderer, murderer when there is no evidence out there which suggests it. Maybe we will learn something, but so far the case is non-existent.Yeah, and you're not biased for Zimmerman at all.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
My bias is for fair justice. I am against the lynch mob screaming murderer, murderer, murderer when there is no evidence out there which suggests it. Maybe we will learn something, but so far the case is non-existent.Yeah, and you're not biased for Zimmerman at all.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Just reading the (PDF) police report. Reading a witness statement from a woman who claims she saw one person chasing another person approx. 10 to 12 feet apart, towards the T in the sidewalk that connects retreatview with twin trees and a fistfight then a shot. She was in her 2nd fl bedroom window. She couldnt tell who was who.Add this in from the state attorneys office and this witness may be key."He runs after this person. He takes him down, and our contention is that he's the aggressor," said state attorney Bernie De La Ronda.
