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timschochet
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You really want to avoid having Zimmerman testify, don't you? Heck, I would too if I wanted his acquittal. I think the reason that a lot of these people like Casey Anthony and OJ get off is because they never have to take the stand. Since I'm pretty well convinced Zimmerman is, like those two, a murdering scumbag, I'm extremely happy he will have to testify.
Zimmerman talked too much to the police. That is never a good thing, even if you were trying to tell the truth.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Pathological liar`s tend to do that
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Clinically diagnosed or is this more of your self-supplied "evidence"?
Explains your high number of posts.
fatness
Footballguy
This evidence you keep saying favors Zimmerman, doesn't.
fatness
Footballguy
In my opinion O'Mara is going to do everything possible to keep Zimmerman from testifying. Zimmerman hasn't exactly come across as reliable in court so far, and if he testifies it can open up numerous lines of questioning for the prosecution. I think O"Mara is a good enough lawyer that he doesn't want that to happen.In my opinion Zimmerman not testifying does present a problem if he requests an immunity hearing prior to trial though. The immunity hearing would be the one at which he (or his lawyer) has to assert that he was standing his ground, thereby negating the need for a murder trial if he prevails.Earlier in the topic there was quite a bit of discussion about the immunity hearing being the thing that would get Zimmerman off. Lately there's not so much talk of it, probably due to Zimmerman's unreliability. If he doesn't testify at his immunity hearing and relies on other things his lawyer argues, I don't think that'll be enough. Does anyone know if there's going to be an immunity hearing? And if Zimmerman is going to testify?
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Jojo the circus boy
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source?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/15/Zimmerman-medical-reportI think it is pretty far fetched if you believe Zimmerman gave himself 2 black eyes, a broken nose and then pounded his own head against something to cause two lacerations.
He will assert self-defense in both. During the pre-trial hearing it is the preponderance of evidence the judge will base the decision on. If they can convince the judge it was likely self-defense, Zimmerman walks right there. Then if it goes to trial they will have to present their evidence for self-defense at the trial. Then they only have to establish reasonable doubt. If Zimmerman had not pulled the crap at the bail hearing, he probably would of had a good chance at pre-trial to win the case. Now it is likely to go to trial.
It amazes me when people spend their time responding to Fatness with anything other than asource?http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/15/Zimmerman-medical-reportI think it is pretty far fetched if you believe Zimmerman gave himself 2 black eyes, a broken nose and then pounded his own head against something to cause two lacerations.
. He's made it clear he's nothing but a 
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I think fatness is thinking about what the family's funeral director said and falsely attributing it to the coroner. Of course if Zimmerman would made such an error, he would be considered a pathological liar.source?http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/15/Zimmerman-medical-reportI think it is pretty far fetched if you believe Zimmerman gave himself 2 black eyes, a broken nose and then pounded his own head against something to cause two lacerations.
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Jojo the circus boy
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You mean the part where they said he cannot afford a higher bail? Did they explicitly lie about the amount of donations received? If so I can understand. If they did not explicitly lie then I can see that money being set aside for his actual attorney fees.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
They explicitly lied. And conspired to do so. That's why the wife is charged with Perjury and Zimmerman's bond went up to 1 million.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah, and frankly I don't even understand why the judge waived Zimmerman's bond. If I'm the judge, I refuse a bond at that point. Why give this guy a second chance?
Because he is not considered dangerous. He is considered a flight risk, but they can monitor that. The judge has to weigh numerous factors. If the judge is going to get pissed off about being mislead, he could be just as pissed off at the lead investigator's affidavit.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Zimmerman's nuts enough to try to flee. Then he'll really be screwed.
fatness
Footballguy
All those things have been previously linked in the topic. And then you post Breitbart as a source.
timschochet
Footballguy
Do you really find this to be comparable?Personally I consder George Zimmerman to be dangerous. He's a gun-wielding wannabe cop with a temper problem who profiles and shoots black teenagers and then lies to the police. How much more dangerous does it get?
fatness
Footballguy
Yes they have, and they all support what I said.All those things have been previously linked in the topic. And then you post Breitbart as a source.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Tim, back away from the TV and layoff the MSNBC.
Personally I consder George Zimmerman to be dangerous. He's a gun-wielding wannabe cop with a temper problem who profiles and shoots black teenagers and then lies to the police. How much more dangerous does it get?
Neither is conspiracy.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
What?
Your statement was....
An injury to the knuckle is an indication that Martin punched someone.
timschochet
Footballguy
Here's a piece of Zimmerman's testimony, linked from Wikipedia, that I find interesting:
He (Zimmerman) said after firing his weapon at Martin, he wasn't sure at first that he had hit him, so he got on top of him in order to subdue him.
Now why would Zimmerman choose to emphasize this point? Is it because he was aware of witnesses, who saw him on top of Martin?
He (Zimmerman) said after firing his weapon at Martin, he wasn't sure at first that he had hit him, so he got on top of him in order to subdue him.
Now why would Zimmerman choose to emphasize this point? Is it because he was aware of witnesses, who saw him on top of Martin?
Who said he emphasized the point? Maybe he said it because that's what happened.
timschochet
Footballguy
Here's another part of Zimmerman's testimony to police:
He described Martin at different points in the interviews as appearing "out of nowhere," "from the darkness," and as "jump[ing] out of the bushes."[161][163] Zimmerman said that Martin asked, "You got a ####### problem, homie?" Zimmerman replied no, and then Martin said that he did now, and punched him
Now come on people, I have to repeat again: yes, this scenario is possible. But is it probable? I mean, we KNOW from the phone call that Zimmerman had been the one following Martin. And now we are expected to believe that Zimmerman got out of his car merely to write down the street sign (taking his gun with him, by the way) and Martin jumped out of the bushes and attacked him? Do any of you really believe this nonsense???
He described Martin at different points in the interviews as appearing "out of nowhere," "from the darkness," and as "jump[ing] out of the bushes."[161][163] Zimmerman said that Martin asked, "You got a ####### problem, homie?" Zimmerman replied no, and then Martin said that he did now, and punched him
Now come on people, I have to repeat again: yes, this scenario is possible. But is it probable? I mean, we KNOW from the phone call that Zimmerman had been the one following Martin. And now we are expected to believe that Zimmerman got out of his car merely to write down the street sign (taking his gun with him, by the way) and Martin jumped out of the bushes and attacked him? Do any of you really believe this nonsense???
timschochet
Footballguy
He didn't just say, "then I got on top of him," he said, "I wasn't sure if I hit him, so I got on top of him." Obviously he's emphasizing the point, counselor.
timschochet
Footballguy
Laugh all you want. How much you wanna bet this point comes up at trial in cross-examination?
timschochet
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There's only me. None of the "others" exist.
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Everything he said to the cops is going to come up during his testimony. It has nothing to do with him "emphasizing" it by using the word "so".Laugh all you want. How much you wanna bet this point comes up at trial in cross-examination?
timschochet
Footballguy
That's not what I meant. I emphasized the word so, not Zimmerman. I was trying to make the point that he explained why he got on top. Why would he explain why he got on top? Obviously it was important to him, or to the police, or both. It just seemed funny to me that it would mentioned in such a manner.Everything he said to the cops is going to come up during his testimony. It has nothing to do with him "emphasizing" it by using the word "so".Laugh all you want. How much you wanna bet this point comes up at trial in cross-examination?
identikit
Footballguy
Classic Timspeak there.That's not what I meant. I emphasized the word so, not Zimmerman. I was trying to make the point that he explained why he got on top. Why would he explain why he got on top? Obviously it was important to him, or to the police, or both. It just seemed funny to me that it would mentioned in such a manner.Everything he said to the cops is going to come up during his testimony. It has nothing to do with him "emphasizing" it by using the word "so".Laugh all you want. How much you wanna bet this point comes up at trial in cross-examination?
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Oh, you emphasized it.That's not what I meant. I emphasized the word so, not Zimmerman. I was trying to make the point that he explained why he got on top. Why would he explain why he got on top? Obviously it was important to him, or to the police, or both. It just seemed funny to me that it would mentioned in such a manner.Everything he said to the cops is going to come up during his testimony. It has nothing to do with him "emphasizing" it by using the word "so".Laugh all you want. How much you wanna bet this point comes up at trial in cross-examination?
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Where are you going with this line of questioning, counselor? Are you saying that Zimmerman rolled around on his back to get the grass stains, punched himself in both eyes, broke his own nose and then decided to slam his head against the sidewalk too? Oh wait, I almost forgot the smoking gun, then he took his gun and scraped Martin's left ring finger to make it look like Martin did all the damage to him.
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TexanFan02
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It's cute how you know everything in this 300 page thread from your 5 minutes of casual research. Oh, and welcome back.Where are you going with this line of questioning, counselor? Are you saying that Zimmerman rolled around on his back to get the grass stains, punched himself in both eyes, broke his own nose and then decided to slam his head against the sidewalk too? Oh wait, I almost forgot the smoking gun, then he took his gun and scraped Martin's left ring finger to make it look like Martin did all the damage to him.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
"Judge Lester didn't like being lied to," said Orlando attorney Blaine McChesney, who has been following the case. "It is apparent from the opinion that, had Judge Lester felt he had more discretion under the current law, he would have denied a bond."Lester said he was granting bond because Zimmerman posed no threat to the community, and Florida law requires that most defendants receive bond if they pose no threat and can assure their presence for trial.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
George Zimmerman changes details, makes claims inconsistent with other evidence in Trayvon Martin killing
ORLANDO, Fla. - George Zimmerman talked to Sanford police a half-dozen times, going over what happened the night he killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. In the retelling, parts of his story changed. His account also does not line up with other evidence.
Here are some of the most prominent inconsistencies:
Where the confrontation happened
In his first recorded interview with police the night of the Feb. 26 shooting, Zimmerman said Martin popped out at him from “the bushes.”
By the time he re-enacted the shooting less than 24 hours later, however, Zimmerman was much more precise, and the spot he pointed out had no bushes nearby.
As he walked police through what happened where, he said Martin approached him from his left rear and at a spot near the intersection of two sidewalks.
What Martin said
In that first taped interview with Sanford police Investigator Doris Singleton, Zimmerman said that when he and Martin came face to face on that sidewalk, Martin said, “What the (expletive) (is) your problem, homey?”
During the next 24 hours, Zimmerman’s version of what Martin said would change slightly, becoming less offensive with each telling.
In another interview later that night, he told Investigator Chris Serino that Martin said, “You got a problem?”
During the re-enactment the next afternoon, he told police that Martin yelled, “Yo, you got a problem?”
Also, a 16-year-old Miami girl told prosecutors she heard something different. She said she was on the phone with Martin at the time and heard him say, “What are you following me for?”
Dispatcher asked him to find Martin
After first spotting Martin and dialing a nonemergency police number, Zimmerman parked his truck while he talked with the dispatcher, asking that an officer come to the scene.
While still on the line, he drove a short distance down the street before parking again.
Why did he move his truck?
During the re-enactment the day after the shooting, Zimmerman told detectives it was because he had lost sight of the 17-year-old, and the dispatcher asked him to find him.
A review of Zimmerman’s recorded call with the dispatcher, though, shows there was no such request.
Did he follow Martin?
In his call to police before the shooting, Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing as if he had been running or walking fast.
“Are you following him?” the dispatcher asked.
“Yeah,” Zimmerman answered.
“OK, we don’t need you to do that,” the dispatcher said.
“OK,” Zimmerman said.
But after the shooting, he offered a different reason for getting out of his truck. Serino pressed him for an explanation three days later.
I was “just going in the same direction he was,” Zimmerman said. He had exited his truck, he said, to get a street address for authorities.
“Did you pursue the kid? Did you want to catch him?” Serino asked.
“No,” said Zimmerman.
Serino challenged him further: “How do you not know the three streets in your neighborhood (where) you’ve been living for three years?”
Zimmerman replied that he had a bad memory and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Other inconsistencies
Investigators also pointed out to Zimmerman in a Feb. 29 interrogation several other discrepancies, but he did not clear them up:
He had said that during their struggle, Martin covered Zimmerman’s nose and mouth with his hands, but in a recorded 911 call from a neighbor in which someone can be heard screaming for help, none of the cries sound muffled.
Zimmerman had injuries but not ones that matched the severity of the attack he described, according to Serino. If Martin had been banging Zimmerman’s head on the sidewalk, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer should have had skull fractures, not just cuts, Serino said.
There were no defensive wounds on Zimmerman’s hands and just one small scrape on a finger of Martin’s left hand, Serino said - little evidence of life-and-death struggle.
ORLANDO, Fla. - George Zimmerman talked to Sanford police a half-dozen times, going over what happened the night he killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. In the retelling, parts of his story changed. His account also does not line up with other evidence.
Here are some of the most prominent inconsistencies:
Where the confrontation happened
In his first recorded interview with police the night of the Feb. 26 shooting, Zimmerman said Martin popped out at him from “the bushes.”
By the time he re-enacted the shooting less than 24 hours later, however, Zimmerman was much more precise, and the spot he pointed out had no bushes nearby.
As he walked police through what happened where, he said Martin approached him from his left rear and at a spot near the intersection of two sidewalks.
What Martin said
In that first taped interview with Sanford police Investigator Doris Singleton, Zimmerman said that when he and Martin came face to face on that sidewalk, Martin said, “What the (expletive) (is) your problem, homey?”
During the next 24 hours, Zimmerman’s version of what Martin said would change slightly, becoming less offensive with each telling.
In another interview later that night, he told Investigator Chris Serino that Martin said, “You got a problem?”
During the re-enactment the next afternoon, he told police that Martin yelled, “Yo, you got a problem?”
Also, a 16-year-old Miami girl told prosecutors she heard something different. She said she was on the phone with Martin at the time and heard him say, “What are you following me for?”
Dispatcher asked him to find Martin
After first spotting Martin and dialing a nonemergency police number, Zimmerman parked his truck while he talked with the dispatcher, asking that an officer come to the scene.
While still on the line, he drove a short distance down the street before parking again.
Why did he move his truck?
During the re-enactment the day after the shooting, Zimmerman told detectives it was because he had lost sight of the 17-year-old, and the dispatcher asked him to find him.
A review of Zimmerman’s recorded call with the dispatcher, though, shows there was no such request.
Did he follow Martin?
In his call to police before the shooting, Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing as if he had been running or walking fast.
“Are you following him?” the dispatcher asked.
“Yeah,” Zimmerman answered.
“OK, we don’t need you to do that,” the dispatcher said.
“OK,” Zimmerman said.
But after the shooting, he offered a different reason for getting out of his truck. Serino pressed him for an explanation three days later.
I was “just going in the same direction he was,” Zimmerman said. He had exited his truck, he said, to get a street address for authorities.
“Did you pursue the kid? Did you want to catch him?” Serino asked.
“No,” said Zimmerman.
Serino challenged him further: “How do you not know the three streets in your neighborhood (where) you’ve been living for three years?”
Zimmerman replied that he had a bad memory and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Other inconsistencies
Investigators also pointed out to Zimmerman in a Feb. 29 interrogation several other discrepancies, but he did not clear them up:
He had said that during their struggle, Martin covered Zimmerman’s nose and mouth with his hands, but in a recorded 911 call from a neighbor in which someone can be heard screaming for help, none of the cries sound muffled.
Zimmerman had injuries but not ones that matched the severity of the attack he described, according to Serino. If Martin had been banging Zimmerman’s head on the sidewalk, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer should have had skull fractures, not just cuts, Serino said.
There were no defensive wounds on Zimmerman’s hands and just one small scrape on a finger of Martin’s left hand, Serino said - little evidence of life-and-death struggle.
I bet if I could sit across a table from you and depose you six different times I could catch you in more than a few inconsistencies.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
In the video re-enactment to police at the scene , zimmerman said he jumped on treyvon because he didnt think he shot him, that he said something like you got me. The bullet collapsed both of his lungs, i cant see how he could say anything after he was shot. Then zimmy said he put treyvons arms spread out away from his body , yet in the police report it says treyvon was found at the scene with his arms pinned under his body...so which was it? ALL HE DOES IS LIE !!!
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
YOU??? hahahaha naaaaaa
You can't handle me in a few posts here. Give me six days and you wouldn't know which way is up.YOU??? hahahaha naaaaaa
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
id probably just strangle you hahahaYou can't handle me in a few posts here. Give me six days and you wouldn't know which way is up.YOU??? hahahaha naaaaaa
