Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[pittstownkiller]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

Did Zimmerman kill an Arab, too?

Touché Tim, but by the time the guys on this thread get done with him, Zimmerman will be accused of Hoffa, Kennedy, and the kidnapping Lindbergh's baby.

 

[timschochet]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

 

[pittstownkiller]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Oh Tim.

 

[StrikeS2k]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Tim,Are you lumping me in with the "pro zimmerman" folks? If so I'd like to know what you base it on. I don't believe I've expressed one specific opinion on whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. I've simply taken the stance that we should let all information be known before passing judgment. In that vein, I posted the link about the FBI investigation because I thought this thread was about discussing this case and posting information relevant to the case. Does that make me "pro zimmerman"? If you're not lumping me in with that group I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply as much in your posts. Unlike you I keep an open mind on most issues.

BTW, couldn't he have "profiled" Trayvon Martin simply because there had been a lot of burglaries in his neighborhood and he believed, either rightly or wrongly, that most or all of them had been committed by AA's?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

i also saidAll i ever said about kimbo is i think he is better than a circus sideshow and he will get even better the more he learns.Dont write him off.....i never said he was the next champ...but it does show hes serious about learning more than punches...relax I`ll admit i got carried away with the Kimbo hype but i never said he was great. I related to his street background and felt he had the drive to do something ,i was wrong.

Never said you said he was gonna be champ. But let's be serious. If someone reads all your posts on Kimbo there's no other conclusion to be had than that you thought he was going to be a top MMA fighter, despite all of us telling you he was too old to start an MMA career.

i said i was wrong,what more do you want,blood?Heres a hint,when someone admits they were wrong you commend them for manning up and move on...just a thought

 

[timschochet]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Tim,Are you lumping me in with the "pro zimmerman" folks? If so I'd like to know what you base it on. I don't believe I've expressed one specific opinion on whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. I've simply taken the stance that we should let all information be known before passing judgment. In that vein, I posted the link about the FBI investigation because I thought this thread was about discussing this case and posting information relevant to the case. Does that make me "pro zimmerman"? If you're not lumping me in with that group I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply as much in your posts. Unlike you I keep an open mind on most issues.

BTW, couldn't he have "profiled" Trayvon Martin simply because there had been a lot of burglaries in his neighborhood and he believed, either rightly or wrongly, that most or all of them had been committed by AA's?

First off, I did lump you in, based on some of your posts. Perhaps I misunderstood you; if so, I apologize. I would note that nearly all of the "pro-Zimmerman" folks use the fallback line of "all we're after is to let all info be known, a fair trial, etc." yet they never seem to post anything critical of Zimmerman. But perhaps that doesn't apply to you.Now, as regards the bolded: your question encapsulates, IMO, the whole problem with racial profiling: Trayvon Martin did not commit any crime. Trayvon Martin was targeted, apparently, solely because of his skin color. It was his skin color that makes Trayvon Martin "suspicious" to George Zimmerman. To me that represents a problem, not just with Zimmerman, but with our society in general. I don't know how to solve this problem, but it angers me that so many people try to deny it exists in the first place.

 

[TexanFan02]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Tim,Are you lumping me in with the "pro zimmerman" folks? If so I'd like to know what you base it on. I don't believe I've expressed one specific opinion on whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. I've simply taken the stance that we should let all information be known before passing judgment. In that vein, I posted the link about the FBI investigation because I thought this thread was about discussing this case and posting information relevant to the case. Does that make me "pro zimmerman"? If you're not lumping me in with that group I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply as much in your posts. Unlike you I keep an open mind on most issues.

BTW, couldn't he have "profiled" Trayvon Martin simply because there had been a lot of burglaries in his neighborhood and he believed, either rightly or wrongly, that most or all of them had been committed by AA's?

Says the guy that laughs at child molestation.

 

[StrikeS2k]

i also saidAll i ever said about kimbo is i think he is better than a circus sideshow and he will get even better the more he learns.Dont write him off.....i never said he was the next champ...but it does show hes serious about learning more than punches...relax I`ll admit i got carried away with the Kimbo hype but i never said he was great. I related to his street background and felt he had the drive to do something ,i was wrong.

Never said you said he was gonna be champ. But let's be serious. If someone reads all your posts on Kimbo there's no other conclusion to be had than that you thought he was going to be a top MMA fighter, despite all of us telling you he was too old to start an MMA career.

i said i was wrong,what more do you want,blood?Heres a hint,when someone admits they were wrong you commend them for manning up and move on...just a thought

I'm just yanking your chain. Why else would I bring up something completely unrelated? This thread is sucking lately, what with the regurgitation of page one and people posting the unsubstantiated statements of some random chick as if they were fact and using them to point out how Zimmerman is both a racist and a child molester. I mean, seriously, can't anyone just let the case play out?

 

[StrikeS2k]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Tim,Are you lumping me in with the "pro zimmerman" folks? If so I'd like to know what you base it on. I don't believe I've expressed one specific opinion on whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. I've simply taken the stance that we should let all information be known before passing judgment. In that vein, I posted the link about the FBI investigation because I thought this thread was about discussing this case and posting information relevant to the case. Does that make me "pro zimmerman"? If you're not lumping me in with that group I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply as much in your posts. Unlike you I keep an open mind on most issues.

BTW, couldn't he have "profiled" Trayvon Martin simply because there had been a lot of burglaries in his neighborhood and he believed, either rightly or wrongly, that most or all of them had been committed by AA's?

Says the guy that laughs at child molestation.

Has never happened.

 

[StrikeS2k]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Tim,Are you lumping me in with the "pro zimmerman" folks? If so I'd like to know what you base it on. I don't believe I've expressed one specific opinion on whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. I've simply taken the stance that we should let all information be known before passing judgment. In that vein, I posted the link about the FBI investigation because I thought this thread was about discussing this case and posting information relevant to the case. Does that make me "pro zimmerman"? If you're not lumping me in with that group I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply as much in your posts. Unlike you I keep an open mind on most issues.

BTW, couldn't he have "profiled" Trayvon Martin simply because there had been a lot of burglaries in his neighborhood and he believed, either rightly or wrongly, that most or all of them had been committed by AA's?

First off, I did lump you in, based on some of your posts. Perhaps I misunderstood you; if so, I apologize. I would note that nearly all of the "pro-Zimmerman" folks use the fallback line of "all we're after is to let all info be known, a fair trial, etc." yet they never seem to post anything critical of Zimmerman. But perhaps that doesn't apply to you.Now, as regards the bolded: your question encapsulates, IMO, the whole problem with racial profiling: Trayvon Martin did not commit any crime. Trayvon Martin was targeted, apparently, solely because of his skin color. It was his skin color that makes Trayvon Martin "suspicious" to George Zimmerman. To me that represents a problem, not just with Zimmerman, but with our society in general. I don't know how to solve this problem, but it angers me that so many people try to deny it exists in the first place.

Tim,Find me a post where I presented an opinion either way in this case. You have made clear where you stand. I haven't. Guess why? Because I haven't completely formed my opinion yet.

What's funny is you dismiss the FBI report because it doesn't support your opinion of Zimmerman but then some random girl pops up in the media making unsubstantiated claims and you believe her hook, line, and sinker because it supports your stance in this case. You do this repeatedly in case after case, thread after thread. I don't even know if you even realize that. But it shows that you think more with emotion than logic and rationality.

 

[Guest]

Did Kimbo Slice really just come up in this thread? Hadn't checked in in awhile. Sound like it may need to die. And Tim, by now can't you see that proclaiming something like someone is of a racist mindset is unknowable and unprovable an not worth trying to assert on a message board?

 

[StrikeS2k]

Did Kimbo Slice really just come up in this thread? Hadn't checked in in awhile. Sound like it may need to die. And Tim, by now can't you see that proclaiming something like someone is of a racist mindset is unknowable and unprovable an not worth trying to assert on a message board?

Not only did he come up but he went down....................In the first by TKO.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

300

 

[timschochet]

What's funny is you dismiss the FBI report because it doesn't support your opinion of Zimmerman but then some random girl pops up in the media making unsubstantiated claims and you believe her hook, line, and sinker because it supports your stance in this case. You do this repeatedly in case after case, thread after thread. I don't even know if you even realize that. But it shows that you think more with emotion than logic and rationality.

Actually it doesn't, because whether or not Zimmerman is racist is immaterial to me in terms of whether or not he murdered Martin. As I've pointed out several times, he could be racist and still be innocent of murder, or he could not be racist and still be guilty. It really doesn't matter. I happen to believe, based on several things I've read (not just this girl) that he is racist. But I still stand by what I've stated from the beginning: based on what we know, there is not enough evidence to convict George Zimmerman, or frankly, even to bring him to trial, and I would have to vote to acquit.

 

[timschochet]

And Tim, by now can't you see that proclaiming something like someone is of a racist mindset is unknowable and unprovable an not worth trying to assert on a message board?

If message boards were restricted to that which is knowable and provable, they wouldn't be very interesting. And I can't believe that YOU are the one making this argument, Mr. Cykotine Storm.

 

[StrikeS2k]

What's funny is you dismiss the FBI report because it doesn't support your opinion of Zimmerman but then some random girl pops up in the media making unsubstantiated claims and you believe her hook, line, and sinker because it supports your stance in this case. You do this repeatedly in case after case, thread after thread. I don't even know if you even realize that. But it shows that you think more with emotion than logic and rationality.

Actually it doesn't, because whether or not Zimmerman is racist is immaterial to me in terms of whether or not he murdered Martin. As I've pointed out several times, he could be racist and still be innocent of murder, or he could not be racist and still be guilty. It really doesn't matter. I happen to believe, based on several things I've read (not just this girl) that he is racist. But I still stand by what I've stated from the beginning: based on what we know, there is not enough evidence to convict George Zimmerman, or frankly, even to bring him to trial, and I would have to vote to acquit.

Uh huh.

 

[Christo]

And Tim, by now can't you see that proclaiming something like someone is of a racist mindset is unknowable and unprovable an not worth trying to assert on a message board?

If message boards were restricted to that which is knowable and provable, they wouldn't be very interesting. And I can't believe that YOU are the one making this argument, Mr. Cykotine Storm.

ouch

 

[BustedKnuckles]

i also saidAll i ever said about kimbo is i think he is better than a circus sideshow and he will get even better the more he learns.Dont write him off.....i never said he was the next champ...but it does show hes serious about learning more than punches...relax I`ll admit i got carried away with the Kimbo hype but i never said he was great. I related to his street background and felt he had the drive to do something ,i was wrong.

Never said you said he was gonna be champ. But let's be serious. If someone reads all your posts on Kimbo there's no other conclusion to be had than that you thought he was going to be a top MMA fighter, despite all of us telling you he was too old to start an MMA career.

i said i was wrong,what more do you want,blood?Heres a hint,when someone admits they were wrong you commend them for manning up and move on...just a thought

I'm just yanking your chain. Why else would I bring up something completely unrelated? This thread is sucking lately, what with the regurgitation of page one and people posting the unsubstantiated statements of some random chick as if they were fact and using them to point out how Zimmerman is both a racist and a child molester. I mean, seriously, can't anyone just let the case play out?

people are just needling each other as we wait for the SYG hearing or the trial.

 

[Chaos Commish]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

 

[StrikeS2k]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

Well, there's Trayvon's Mom, Trayvon's Dad, Trayvon's GF, Trayvon's Aunt, Trayvon's Dog, Trayvon's Great Great Great Grandma ma. Those are just a few though.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

 

[Chaos Commish]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

Well, there's Trayvon's Mom, Trayvon's Dad, Trayvon's GF, Trayvon's Aunt, Trayvon's Dog, Trayvon's Great Great Great Grandma ma. Those are just a few though.

exactly... Sharpton, Jackson, Crump...

 

[TexanFan02]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Tim,Are you lumping me in with the "pro zimmerman" folks? If so I'd like to know what you base it on. I don't believe I've expressed one specific opinion on whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. I've simply taken the stance that we should let all information be known before passing judgment. In that vein, I posted the link about the FBI investigation because I thought this thread was about discussing this case and posting information relevant to the case. Does that make me "pro zimmerman"? If you're not lumping me in with that group I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply as much in your posts. Unlike you I keep an open mind on most issues.

BTW, couldn't he have "profiled" Trayvon Martin simply because there had been a lot of burglaries in his neighborhood and he believed, either rightly or wrongly, that most or all of them had been committed by AA's?

Says the guy that laughs at child molestation.

Has never happened.

Happened. You're a class act.

 

[StrikeS2k]

"Growing up they've always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white. Other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people," she claimed.

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources, but the pro-Zimmerman folks want to deny that there's any racial aspect to this story. Strike was quick to post here when the FBI were unable to find a racial motivation, but that should come as no surprise to anyone: they're not going to find one unless Zimmerman admits to it. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman is of a racist mindset, and this played a part in his profiling of Trayvon Martin. It likely played a part in his murder as well.

Tim,Are you lumping me in with the "pro zimmerman" folks? If so I'd like to know what you base it on. I don't believe I've expressed one specific opinion on whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. I've simply taken the stance that we should let all information be known before passing judgment. In that vein, I posted the link about the FBI investigation because I thought this thread was about discussing this case and posting information relevant to the case. Does that make me "pro zimmerman"? If you're not lumping me in with that group I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply as much in your posts. Unlike you I keep an open mind on most issues.

BTW, couldn't he have "profiled" Trayvon Martin simply because there had been a lot of burglaries in his neighborhood and he believed, either rightly or wrongly, that most or all of them had been committed by AA's?

Says the guy that laughs at child molestation.

Has never happened.

Happened. You're a class act.

 

[TexanFan02]

You jackals haven't jumped all over this yet?

Zimmerman family friend claims he molested her, new audio tapes reveal

How is this relevant?

He told her he didn't like black people while molesting her. He's a d-bag who doesn't like black people. He killed a black person.

STRIKES2K laughing at child molestation and the death of a 17 year old boy.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter? The woman told investigators during a taped interview that the last time Zimmerman molested her she was 16 and Zimmerman, a new high school graduate at the time, was temporarily living alone in a house his parents had just purchased in Lake Mary, Florida

The woman described Zimmerman molesting her during annual family get-togethers and trips.

The woman said she finally told her parents in 2005 when she was 20. She said her parents called Zimmerman to a meeting at a pizza restaurant in Lake Mary."

Instead of talking about it, all he did was come in the room, come in the restaurant, he sat down on the end of the booth and he said 'I'm sorry' and just got up and walked out ... my parents, their jaws dropped," the woman said.

She said her mother discouraged her from taking further action at the time, saying it would be his word against hers, and she would wind up in jail.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

Are you suggesting the story where it is basically OK to kill some people as long as your behavior otherwise conforms to societies expectations?

 

[TexanFan02]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

Are you suggesting the story where it is basically OK to kill some people as long as your behavior otherwise conforms to societies expectations?

Standing on the beachWith a gun in my handStaring at the seaStaring at the sandStaring down the barrelAt the arab on the groundI can see his open mouthBut I hear no sound

 

[timschochet]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

There's the girl. There's one co-worker who said something similar earlier. And there's his own comments on the phone.Hey if you don't want to believe it, fine. I think it's highly plausible myself.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter?

From what I can tell from her statement so far? Yeah, I would probably laugh this stuff off. I'm not insensitive to sexual abuse within family units, but her story isn't moving me beyond a little sympathy and pity. I'm pretty much done reading media articles on this case. They sensationalize everything. Some busted knuckleheads get suckered into that stuff. It sounds like George was attracted to her and she let him get away with some stuff. Years later she ran for the door when he talked her into a massage. She did take him up on his invitation to spend the night at his house alone, drove herself to the home of the person she claims to have feared so much, and she did comply with his request to lie down on the bed for a massage. Pretty normal stuff, not what I consider when I hear the word molestation. It's not close to some media outlets that made it seem like an adult George molested a 6 year old. According to her the 6-7 year old stuff happened watching tv in a room with her parents! But since he was older and stronger she couldn't push him off... in front of their parents? I am reading what she said happened, not the media spin. I do hope the state brings sexual assault charges though. That would be fun. This is going to hurt the defense donation drives. She should have just blackmailed them.

Of note Timmah, she says she never heard or witnessed George say or do anything racist. How did the media miss that!? Her accusations appear to be directed towards his family, particularly George's Peruvian mother with black genes in her near family tree. She of brown and black descent insisted her kids marry white to improve their place in society, like she did. And she hates Obama. She's a bigot like my mom.

This cuz witness #9 practically begged investigators to dig into George's possible racism based on the influence of the evil Peruvian. She was sure they would find it if they spoke to enough people who knew him. A dozen federal agents took her advice and came up with nada.

Also Lester has asked the state to limit future discovery to relevant material. And I was wrong earlier stating this witness was the same as the one George was pursuing for an affair. That would be the ex fiancee that shared dual restraining orders with George 7 years ago.

The Cure rules.

 

[TexanFan02]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter?

From what I can tell from her statement so far? Yeah, I would probably laugh this stuff off. I'm not insensitive to sexual abuse within family units, but her story isn't moving me beyond a little sympathy and pity. I'm pretty much done reading media articles on this case. They sensationalize everything. Some busted knuckleheads get suckered into that stuff. It sounds like George was attracted to her and she let him get away with some stuff. Years later she ran for the door when he talked her into a massage. She did take him up on his invitation to spend the night at his house alone, drove herself to the home of the person she claims to have feared so much, and she did comply with his request to lie down on the bed for a massage. Pretty normal stuff, not what I consider when I hear the word molestation. It's not close to some media outlets that made it seem like an adult George molested a 6 year old. According to her the 6-7 year old stuff happened watching tv in a room with her parents! But since he was older and stronger she couldn't push him off... in front of their parents? I am reading what she said happened, not the media spin. I do hope the state brings sexual assault charges though. That would be fun. This is going to hurt the defense donation drives. She should have just blackmailed them.

Of note Timmah, she says she never heard or witnessed George say or do anything racist. How did the media miss that!? Her accusations appear to be directed towards his family, particularly George's Peruvian mother with black genes in her near family tree. She of brown and black descent insisted her kids marry white to improve their place in society, like she did. And she hates Obama. She's a bigot like my mom.

This cuz witness #9 practically begged investigators to dig into George's possible racism based on the influence of the evil Peruvian. She was sure they would find it if they spoke to enough people who knew him. A dozen federal agents took her advice and came up with nada.

Also Lester has asked the state to limit future discovery to relevant material. And I was wrong earlier stating this witness was the same as the one George was pursuing for an affair. That would be the ex fiancee that shared dual restraining orders with George 7 years ago.

The Cure rules.

Huh. Really? Wait for the Wagist, I guess. They only report pro Zimmerman stuff, so it won't be pure.

 

[Chaos Commish]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

There's the girl. There's one co-worker who said something similar earlier. And there's his own comments on the phone.Hey if you don't want to believe it, fine. I think it's highly plausible myself.

The girl said no such thing, and his phone calls provide nothing racist. An Arab co-worker at a used car lot was butthurt over jokes about his accent, George impersonating him as a terrorist and calling him stupid. Pure racism. You got nothin' but hopes.I feel the steel butt jump Smooth in my hand Staring at the sea Staring at the sand Staring at myself Reflected in the eyes Of the dead man on the beach The dead man on the beachI got a new handgun. It's specifically for my new license to carry.

 

[TexanFan02]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

There's the girl. There's one co-worker who said something similar earlier. And there's his own comments on the phone.Hey if you don't want to believe it, fine. I think it's highly plausible myself.

The girl said no such thing, and his phone calls provide nothing racist. An Arab co-worker at a used car lot was butthurt over jokes about his accent, George impersonating him as a terrorist and calling him stupid. Pure racism. You got nothin' but hopes.I feel the steel butt jump Smooth in my hand Staring at the sea Staring at the sand Staring at myself Reflected in the eyes Of the dead man on the beach The dead man on the beachI got a new handgun. It's specifically for my new license to carry.

Disappointed.

 

[Neofight]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

You get a kick out of this?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter?

From what I can tell from her statement so far? Yeah, I would probably laugh this stuff off. I'm not insensitive to sexual abuse within family units, but her story isn't moving me beyond a little sympathy and pity. I'm pretty much done reading media articles on this case. They sensationalize everything. Some busted knuckleheads get suckered into that stuff. It sounds like George was attracted to her and she let him get away with some stuff. Years later she ran for the door when he talked her into a massage. She did take him up on his invitation to spend the night at his house alone, drove herself to the home of the person she claims to have feared so much, and she did comply with his request to lie down on the bed for a massage. Pretty normal stuff, not what I consider when I hear the word molestation. It's not close to some media outlets that made it seem like an adult George molested a 6 year old. According to her the 6-7 year old stuff happened watching tv in a room with her parents! But since he was older and stronger she couldn't push him off... in front of their parents? I am reading what she said happened, not the media spin. I do hope the state brings sexual assault charges though. That would be fun. This is going to hurt the defense donation drives. She should have just blackmailed them.

Of note Timmah, she says she never heard or witnessed George say or do anything racist. How did the media miss that!? Her accusations appear to be directed towards his family, particularly George's Peruvian mother with black genes in her near family tree. She of brown and black descent insisted her kids marry white to improve their place in society, like she did. And she hates Obama. She's a bigot like my mom.

This cuz witness #9 practically begged investigators to dig into George's possible racism based on the influence of the evil Peruvian. She was sure they would find it if they spoke to enough people who knew him. A dozen federal agents took her advice and came up with nada.

Also Lester has asked the state to limit future discovery to relevant material. And I was wrong earlier stating this witness was the same as the one George was pursuing for an affair. That would be the ex fiancee that shared dual restraining orders with George 7 years ago.

The Cure rules.

Huh. Really? Wait for the Wagist, I guess. They only report pro Zimmerman stuff, so it won't be pure.

Huh? I just listened to her two statements. That's the best way to know what's real or not at this point. Same reason I posted the notorized motion to dismiss and bond order straight from the judge and attorneys. The articles spun from those two docs are ridiculous. Stick to the source material.

I never read Wagist. I read the Treepers for wingnut humor, JusticeQuest for unhinged liberal moonbattery, and TalkLeft for common sense. This thread is so far behind those places it can never catch up. I've bookmarked a couple blogs where lawyers are posting or commenting like the two you read this morning. Why is wagist even mentioned? The Treepers is the place for Zimmerman love. Man that place is delusional but no one is following the story closer.

 

[TexanFan02]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter?

From what I can tell from her statement so far? Yeah, I would probably laugh this stuff off. I'm not insensitive to sexual abuse within family units, but her story isn't moving me beyond a little sympathy and pity. I'm pretty much done reading media articles on this case. They sensationalize everything. Some busted knuckleheads get suckered into that stuff. It sounds like George was attracted to her and she let him get away with some stuff. Years later she ran for the door when he talked her into a massage. She did take him up on his invitation to spend the night at his house alone, drove herself to the home of the person she claims to have feared so much, and she did comply with his request to lie down on the bed for a massage. Pretty normal stuff, not what I consider when I hear the word molestation. It's not close to some media outlets that made it seem like an adult George molested a 6 year old. According to her the 6-7 year old stuff happened watching tv in a room with her parents! But since he was older and stronger she couldn't push him off... in front of their parents? I am reading what she said happened, not the media spin. I do hope the state brings sexual assault charges though. That would be fun. This is going to hurt the defense donation drives. She should have just blackmailed them.

Of note Timmah, she says she never heard or witnessed George say or do anything racist. How did the media miss that!? Her accusations appear to be directed towards his family, particularly George's Peruvian mother with black genes in her near family tree. She of brown and black descent insisted her kids marry white to improve their place in society, like she did. And she hates Obama. She's a bigot like my mom.

This cuz witness #9 practically begged investigators to dig into George's possible racism based on the influence of the evil Peruvian. She was sure they would find it if they spoke to enough people who knew him. A dozen federal agents took her advice and came up with nada.

Also Lester has asked the state to limit future discovery to relevant material. And I was wrong earlier stating this witness was the same as the one George was pursuing for an affair. That would be the ex fiancee that shared dual restraining orders with George 7 years ago.

The Cure rules.

Huh. Really? Wait for the Wagist, I guess. They only report pro Zimmerman stuff, so it won't be pure.

Huh? I just listened to her two statements. That's the best way to know what's real or not at this point. Same reason I posted the notorized motion to dismiss and bond order straight from the judge and attorneys. The articles spun from those two docs are ridiculous. Stick to the source material.

I never read Wagist. I read the Treepers for wingnut humor, JusticeQuest for unhinged liberal moonbattery, and TalkLeft for common sense. This thread is so far behind those places it can never catch up. I've bookmarked a couple blogs where lawyers are posting or commenting like the two you read this morning. Why is wagist even mentioned? The Treepers is the place for Zimmerman love. Man that place is delusional but no one is following the story closer.

Because it's where you got your whole "Timeline theory" from, and harped on it for months? That's my guess.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

You get a kick out of this?

Absolutely. If you think that's horrible, have fun assassinating my character. This case, including this cousin and her misspent youth with George, and the new black panthers, and the race baiters, marches, skinheads, dopey president, malicious lying prosecution, closet sociopath defendant, drama queen judge, incompetent defense team, lazy sensational media, wild family histories on both sides, and on and on and on, is a great black comedy to me... no pun intended. If my favorite sitcom MASH could turn war into a dark comedy, then this sad homicide is no big thing to me. It takes an old cynic like me to laugh at it, but I am... guilty as charged.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter?

From what I can tell from her statement so far? Yeah, I would probably laugh this stuff off. I'm not insensitive to sexual abuse within family units, but her story isn't moving me beyond a little sympathy and pity. I'm pretty much done reading media articles on this case. They sensationalize everything. Some busted knuckleheads get suckered into that stuff. It sounds like George was attracted to her and she let him get away with some stuff. Years later she ran for the door when he talked her into a massage. She did take him up on his invitation to spend the night at his house alone, drove herself to the home of the person she claims to have feared so much, and she did comply with his request to lie down on the bed for a massage. Pretty normal stuff, not what I consider when I hear the word molestation. It's not close to some media outlets that made it seem like an adult George molested a 6 year old. According to her the 6-7 year old stuff happened watching tv in a room with her parents! But since he was older and stronger she couldn't push him off... in front of their parents? I am reading what she said happened, not the media spin. I do hope the state brings sexual assault charges though. That would be fun. This is going to hurt the defense donation drives. She should have just blackmailed them.

Of note Timmah, she says she never heard or witnessed George say or do anything racist. How did the media miss that!? Her accusations appear to be directed towards his family, particularly George's Peruvian mother with black genes in her near family tree. She of brown and black descent insisted her kids marry white to improve their place in society, like she did. And she hates Obama. She's a bigot like my mom.

This cuz witness #9 practically begged investigators to dig into George's possible racism based on the influence of the evil Peruvian. She was sure they would find it if they spoke to enough people who knew him. A dozen federal agents took her advice and came up with nada.

Also Lester has asked the state to limit future discovery to relevant material. And I was wrong earlier stating this witness was the same as the one George was pursuing for an affair. That would be the ex fiancee that shared dual restraining orders with George 7 years ago.

The Cure rules.

Huh. Really? Wait for the Wagist, I guess. They only report pro Zimmerman stuff, so it won't be pure.

Huh? I just listened to her two statements. That's the best way to know what's real or not at this point. Same reason I posted the notorized motion to dismiss and bond order straight from the judge and attorneys. The articles spun from those two docs are ridiculous. Stick to the source material.

I never read Wagist. I read the Treepers for wingnut humor, JusticeQuest for unhinged liberal moonbattery, and TalkLeft for common sense. This thread is so far behind those places it can never catch up. I've bookmarked a couple blogs where lawyers are posting or commenting like the two you read this morning. Why is wagist even mentioned? The Treepers is the place for Zimmerman love. Man that place is delusional but no one is following the story closer.

Because it's where you got your whole "Timeline theory" from, and harped on it for months? That's my guess.

Wrong. My timeline theory was originally mine. Btw, it still holds up so well, that at rational TalkLeft it is the basis of discussion. I just became curious about it in late March because things didn't make sense when they released the phone calls. I tried to reconstruct it but found others way ahead of me. I never referred to Wagist, that was fatness or someone coming unhinged because he/she found that site promoting similar ideas as me. The timeline stuff was just common sense and easy to find if you looked. Wagist, btw, really missed one of the keys to attacking Trayvon because the authors don't know their gangsta slang. I got my early timelines from JusticeQuest forums, btw, a very very Trayvonite site.

 

[TexanFan02]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter?

From what I can tell from her statement so far? Yeah, I would probably laugh this stuff off. I'm not insensitive to sexual abuse within family units, but her story isn't moving me beyond a little sympathy and pity. I'm pretty much done reading media articles on this case. They sensationalize everything. Some busted knuckleheads get suckered into that stuff. It sounds like George was attracted to her and she let him get away with some stuff. Years later she ran for the door when he talked her into a massage. She did take him up on his invitation to spend the night at his house alone, drove herself to the home of the person she claims to have feared so much, and she did comply with his request to lie down on the bed for a massage. Pretty normal stuff, not what I consider when I hear the word molestation. It's not close to some media outlets that made it seem like an adult George molested a 6 year old. According to her the 6-7 year old stuff happened watching tv in a room with her parents! But since he was older and stronger she couldn't push him off... in front of their parents? I am reading what she said happened, not the media spin. I do hope the state brings sexual assault charges though. That would be fun. This is going to hurt the defense donation drives. She should have just blackmailed them.

Of note Timmah, she says she never heard or witnessed George say or do anything racist. How did the media miss that!? Her accusations appear to be directed towards his family, particularly George's Peruvian mother with black genes in her near family tree. She of brown and black descent insisted her kids marry white to improve their place in society, like she did. And she hates Obama. She's a bigot like my mom.

This cuz witness #9 practically begged investigators to dig into George's possible racism based on the influence of the evil Peruvian. She was sure they would find it if they spoke to enough people who knew him. A dozen federal agents took her advice and came up with nada.

Also Lester has asked the state to limit future discovery to relevant material. And I was wrong earlier stating this witness was the same as the one George was pursuing for an affair. That would be the ex fiancee that shared dual restraining orders with George 7 years ago.

The Cure rules.

Huh. Really? Wait for the Wagist, I guess. They only report pro Zimmerman stuff, so it won't be pure.

Huh? I just listened to her two statements. That's the best way to know what's real or not at this point. Same reason I posted the notorized motion to dismiss and bond order straight from the judge and attorneys. The articles spun from those two docs are ridiculous. Stick to the source material.

I never read Wagist. I read the Treepers for wingnut humor, JusticeQuest for unhinged liberal moonbattery, and TalkLeft for common sense. This thread is so far behind those places it can never catch up. I've bookmarked a couple blogs where lawyers are posting or commenting like the two you read this morning. Why is wagist even mentioned? The Treepers is the place for Zimmerman love. Man that place is delusional but no one is following the story closer.

Because it's where you got your whole "Timeline theory" from, and harped on it for months? That's my guess.

Wrong. My timeline theory was originally mine. Btw, it still holds up so well, that at rational TalkLeft it is the basis of discussion. I just became curious about it in late March because things didn't make sense when they released the phone calls. I tried to reconstruct it but found others way ahead of me. I never referred to Wagist, that was fatness or someone coming unhinged because he/she found that site promoting similar ideas as me. The timeline stuff was just common sense and easy to find if you looked. Wagist, btw, really missed one of the keys to attacking Trayvon because the authors don't know their gangsta slang. I got my early timelines from JusticeQuest forums, btw, a very very Trayvonite site.

Dude. You posted the whole thing from the Wagist site and acted like it was gospel. Don't make me dig it up. Doesn't matter at this point anyway, Zimmerman is a proven liar.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Speaking of timelines, the only witness account that fits is Dee Dee's. George is still working on one, so I have hopes that with the help of his SuperLawyers they'll get something put together.

 

[TexanFan02]

Speaking of timelines, the only witness account that fits is Dee Dee's. George is still working on one, so I have hopes that with the help of his SuperLawyers they'll get something put together.

Oh, they'll put something together.

 

[Neofight]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

You get a kick out of this?

Absolutely. If you think that's horrible, have fun assassinating my character. This case, including this cousin and her misspent youth with George, and the new black panthers, and the race baiters, marches, skinheads, dopey president, malicious lying prosecution, closet sociopath defendant, drama queen judge, incompetent defense team, lazy sensational media, wild family histories on both sides, and on and on and on, is a great black comedy to me... no pun intended. If my favorite sitcom MASH could turn war into a dark comedy, then this sad homicide is no big thing to me. It takes an old cynic like me to laugh at it, but I am... guilty as charged.

Good on you, mate. Just one question: if the lunaticincestuousaggronarcissisticsociopath####wit Zimmerman is all that and more; what makes you believe he truly acted in self defense? Seducing your cousin may be funny (depending on where you are from), but killing a kid for walking through your neighborhood isn't a black comedy (or any other shade). It's a ####### tragedy.

By the bye, MASH at least had decent writing.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

would you be so glib if this was your own daughter?

From what I can tell from her statement so far? Yeah, I would probably laugh this stuff off. I'm not insensitive to sexual abuse within family units, but her story isn't moving me beyond a little sympathy and pity. I'm pretty much done reading media articles on this case. They sensationalize everything. Some busted knuckleheads get suckered into that stuff. It sounds like George was attracted to her and she let him get away with some stuff. Years later she ran for the door when he talked her into a massage. She did take him up on his invitation to spend the night at his house alone, drove herself to the home of the person she claims to have feared so much, and she did comply with his request to lie down on the bed for a massage. Pretty normal stuff, not what I consider when I hear the word molestation. It's not close to some media outlets that made it seem like an adult George molested a 6 year old. According to her the 6-7 year old stuff happened watching tv in a room with her parents! But since he was older and stronger she couldn't push him off... in front of their parents? I am reading what she said happened, not the media spin. I do hope the state brings sexual assault charges though. That would be fun. This is going to hurt the defense donation drives. She should have just blackmailed them.

Of note Timmah, she says she never heard or witnessed George say or do anything racist. How did the media miss that!? Her accusations appear to be directed towards his family, particularly George's Peruvian mother with black genes in her near family tree. She of brown and black descent insisted her kids marry white to improve their place in society, like she did. And she hates Obama. She's a bigot like my mom.

This cuz witness #9 practically begged investigators to dig into George's possible racism based on the influence of the evil Peruvian. She was sure they would find it if they spoke to enough people who knew him. A dozen federal agents took her advice and came up with nada.

Also Lester has asked the state to limit future discovery to relevant material. And I was wrong earlier stating this witness was the same as the one George was pursuing for an affair. That would be the ex fiancee that shared dual restraining orders with George 7 years ago.

The Cure rules.

Huh. Really? Wait for the Wagist, I guess. They only report pro Zimmerman stuff, so it won't be pure.

Huh? I just listened to her two statements. That's the best way to know what's real or not at this point. Same reason I posted the notorized motion to dismiss and bond order straight from the judge and attorneys. The articles spun from those two docs are ridiculous. Stick to the source material.

I never read Wagist. I read the Treepers for wingnut humor, JusticeQuest for unhinged liberal moonbattery, and TalkLeft for common sense. This thread is so far behind those places it can never catch up. I've bookmarked a couple blogs where lawyers are posting or commenting like the two you read this morning. Why is wagist even mentioned? The Treepers is the place for Zimmerman love. Man that place is delusional but no one is following the story closer.

Because it's where you got your whole "Timeline theory" from, and harped on it for months? That's my guess.

Wrong. My timeline theory was originally mine. Btw, it still holds up so well, that at rational TalkLeft it is the basis of discussion. I just became curious about it in late March because things didn't make sense when they released the phone calls. I tried to reconstruct it but found others way ahead of me. I never referred to Wagist, that was fatness or someone coming unhinged because he/she found that site promoting similar ideas as me. The timeline stuff was just common sense and easy to find if you looked. Wagist, btw, really missed one of the keys to attacking Trayvon because the authors don't know their gangsta slang. I got my early timelines from JusticeQuest forums, btw, a very very Trayvonite site.

Dude. You posted the whole thing from the Wagist site and acted like it was gospel. Don't make me dig it up. Doesn't matter at this point anyway, Zimmerman is a proven liar.

No, fatness (and maybe you too) accused me of that, but it never happened. I think it was ATC1 who posted from Wagist and I told him their map was weak. Search your little fingers off, bruh. I found the best info at pro Tray JusticeQuest when I made the long tedious arguments for the map, the time logs and the notion that Tray did not go home, back tracked, or hid. That all seems to be true.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Witness 9 is George's cousin. Sorry, but this is funny, molestation, playing doctor for a decade, whatever. It doesn't sound like they ever had intercourse, just played around a lot and when she became of age to realize she'd been had... well, there's money to made on her pervert cousin now.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman’s family in Virginia.

“We would all lay in front of the TV” to watch movies, she said, “and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman’s family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

“I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car,” she said, adding that Zimmerman “only chased me to the front door.”

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said.

See the pattern? He only chased her to the front door, just like he only chased Trayvon a few yards towards the sidewalk. This witness confirms how silly is the notion obese George could chase down Trayvon.

You get a kick out of this?

Absolutely. If you think that's horrible, have fun assassinating my character. This case, including this cousin and her misspent youth with George, and the new black panthers, and the race baiters, marches, skinheads, dopey president, malicious lying prosecution, closet sociopath defendant, drama queen judge, incompetent defense team, lazy sensational media, wild family histories on both sides, and on and on and on, is a great black comedy to me... no pun intended. If my favorite sitcom MASH could turn war into a dark comedy, then this sad homicide is no big thing to me. It takes an old cynic like me to laugh at it, but I am... guilty as charged.

Good on you, mate. Just one question: if the lunaticincestuousaggronarcissisticsociopath####wit Zimmerman is all that and more; what makes you believe he truly acted in self defense? Seducing your cousin may be funny (depending on where you are from), but killing a kid for walking through your neighborhood isn't a black comedy (or any other shade). It's a ####### tragedy.

By the bye, MASH at least had decent writing.

Seducing your cousin is not funny, but you are for putting it that way. This whole case works like that. Read or listen to her statements and tell me you think there's something awful there. It sounds very phony to me. She is scarred from doing sexual things as a little girl with a little boy. She complied by her own admission but is haunted. George is now famous and she has a juicy story to share and possibly embellish. Her hatred for George's racist mom makes her seem vindictive to me. Cynic that I am.Killing a kid for walking through your neighborhood is not any shade of comedy, I agree, but you're funny for putting it that way. Being a lunaticincestuousaggronarcissisticsociopath####wit does not make one guilty of murder. I believe George had good reason to call the police about a suspicious Trayvon. I believe George stopped following Trayvon as soon as he was told it wasn't needed and several minutes before he was assaulted. I believe Trayvon made it home (Dee Dee said as much) and went back down that sidewalk to confront George (after sizing him up). Maybe he hid in the shadows, but it doesn't matter. He didn't go home and he could have. He did end up dead in the area he was seen fleeing. My original thoughts on the timeline were likely correct. The prosecution has testified they have no evidence George confronted Trayvon; no evidence he followed Trayvon after being instructed against it; and no evidence that George threw the first punch; and for that matter, they have no evidence George threw a single punch. The only eyewitness to the struggle is adamant that George was on his back. I believe George was stunned by the assault and ended up yelling for help. He yelled between 17-20 times and his assailent didn't relent. A witness yelled for them to stop and that he was calling the cops, but Trayvon didn't relent. In fear of greater harm, George shot him. Even in Massachusettes, if I'm correct, this is self defense. I don't believe these things because George said so. I believe them because they make the most sense from the evidence I've seen. The state will probably dump a couple more discoveries on us through August so maybe they have something convincing. So far, not even close.

So yeah, I think people who buy the media narrative and claim Zimmerman shot an innocent boy trying to walk through a neighborhood are funny. Cynic that I am.

 

[pittstownkiller]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

Are you suggesting the story where it is basically OK to kill some people as long as your behavior otherwise conforms to societies expectations?

I would suggest the attempt by the prosecutor, Martin's family attorney, and the media, to make Zimmerman into a monster instead of trying him on the facts of this particular case. You have people like Tim (et al.), justifying an unsubstantiated leap to guilt based on character assassination.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

Are you suggesting the story where it is basically OK to kill some people as long as your behavior otherwise conforms to societies expectations?

I would suggest the attempt by the prosecutor, Martin's family attorney, and the media, to make Zimmerman into a monster instead of trying him on the facts of this particular case. You have people like Tim (et al.), justifying an unsubstantiated leap to guilt based on character assassination.

if it walks like a duck....

 

[greenroom]

You boys, and your flimsy conclusions, should read Camus.

Are you suggesting the story where it is basically OK to kill some people as long as your behavior otherwise conforms to societies expectations?

I would suggest the attempt by the prosecutor, Martin's family attorney, and the media, to make Zimmerman into a monster instead of trying him on the facts of this particular case. You have people like Tim (et al.), justifying an unsubstantiated leap to guilt based on character assassination.

So what fact am I missing. Mr. Zimmerman killed Mr. Martin who was unarmed and was not bothering anyone until Mr. Zimmerman, got into his business. Then Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin got into a fight when Mr. Zimmerman shot Mr. Martin. So yes Mr. Zimmerman should have to go to court to defend his actions. Not saying he is quilty or not quilty.. but Mr. Martin deserves to have the truth told !

 

[jon_mx]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

There's the girl. There's one co-worker who said something similar earlier. And there's his own comments on the phone.Hey if you don't want to believe it, fine. I think it's highly plausible myself.

Thinking in your mind it is highly plausible is an acceptable statement. Repeatedly stating he is clearly a racist as you have done and stating that he racially profiled is a boatload of crap. Tim you are a stickler for rhetoric from the other side and get pissed when they say things in exaggerated terms. Either stop the constant whining about rhetoric or stop engaging in it yourself. You are an extreme hypocrit on this.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

this thread

 

[timschochet]

We keep hearing stuff like this from various sources...

Please list a few of these sources. Just the ones you know off the top of your head or can easily cite to support your claim.

There's the girl. There's one co-worker who said something similar earlier. And there's his own comments on the phone.Hey if you don't want to believe it, fine. I think it's highly plausible myself.

Thinking in your mind it is highly plausible is an acceptable statement. Repeatedly stating he is clearly a racist as you have done and stating that he racially profiled is a boatload of crap. Tim you are a stickler for rhetoric from the other side and get pissed when they say things in exaggerated terms. Either stop the constant whining about rhetoric or stop engaging in it yourself. You are an extreme hypocrit on this.

First off, read my sig. Second, I have stated that I think he is a racist. I have never stated that he is clearly a racist. I have stated that I think he racially profiled in this case. I have never stated that this is a fact. I've stated it's very difficult or impossible to prove. I don't think I've been a hypocrite at all. You claim that I criticize rhetoric from conservatives, and that is true. But I also criticize it from liberals as well. And sometimes I'm guilty of bad rhetoric myself; I never claimed to be holier than thou.

I believe that George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin, and I am hoping that the prosecution has evidence to prove this, so that Zimmerman can be convicted. So far I haven't seen that evidence, and I am skeptical that I will. But I am holding out hope that it exists.