Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[Slapdash]

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

The insinuation you are making that DMX produces violent behavior similar to PCP is pretty laughable.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I don't see anywhere that Tim was throwing around the race card.

lol

Tim, I'll let you take this one..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

From what i remember they didnt find any of treyvons blood splatter on zimmy or his gun and the only prints on the gun were zimmy`s. Now if trey was putting the smack down on zimm wouldnt he have some of zimms blood on his hands? Epic struggle...blood everywhere ...but on trey...just strange.

Why are you assuming blood would be running out of zimmermans nose?

I don't remember anywhere, anyone saying blood was running out of his nose. And if his nose was bleeding, which it probably was from looking at the pictures of his nose, why would it run uphill out of his nose rather than down his throat while he was lying on his back?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

 

[Witz]

Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

 

[Witz]

Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

Found this:

http://news24now.com/the-autopsy-report-of-trayvon-martin/3449

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Slapdash, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:09, said:

Jojo the circus boy, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:48, said:

timschochet, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:40, said:

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

The insinuation you are making that DMX produces violent behavior similar to PCP is pretty laughable.

Pretty long read on it, if you care to educate yourself:http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/

 

[Carolina Hustler]

to the pro-Martin camp insisting he was just your average teenage kid caught with stolen wedding bands and watches in a backpack, pictures of him holding a .40 caliber gun, pictures of marijuana potted plants, gold capped teeth, tattoos, fight clubs, school suspensions, getting thrown out of his house by his mother. Yeah REAL average self-proclaimed GANGSTA teenager just going to the grocery store to buy Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles, the common ingredients to making "Lean" / "Purple Drank" which Martin had been using since at least June 2011. On June 27th, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ### lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ### lean" cocktail. That would explain why neither the Skittles nor the watermelon juice was opened on his walk back from the store. Some are speculating he went to the 7-11 to buy more supplies, meaning he was already on "lean" which would explain why he looked lost/disoriented in the 7-11. If OTC cough syrup was used it would also explain why it was not reported unless a full drug screen was performed. At high doses, dextromethorphan (common ingredient in OTC cough syrups) is classified as a dissociative general anesthetic and hallucinogen, similar to the controlled substances ketamine and phencyclidine (PCP). Also like those drugs, dextromethorphan is an NMDA receptor antagonist.

Can you link where these pictures? I'm just curious. I'd like to see them.

And the theory on the drink/drugs/codeine/pcp, idea, you got that from somewhere. I'd like to read up on that as well.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:28, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:25, said:

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 10:17, said:Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

1.5x the legal limit if you were pulled over, if you consider that "very minor"

 

[Witz]

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:28, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:25, said:

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 10:17, said:Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

1.5x the legal limit if you were pulled over, if you consider that "very minor"

Stop - you are literally making stuff up now.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Medical examiner's report, did not see anything about a toxicology screen in this link (probably not publicly viewable), just posting examiner's report that I came across.

 

[timschochet]

I don't see anywhere that Tim was throwing around the race card.

lol Tim, I'll let you take this one..

Thanks. Sorry Kentric but you're quite incorrect. I have played the race card several times in this thread. I believe that Zimmermans actions were very likely racially motivated. I believe that many of Zimmermans defenders have stereotypical attitudes toward black youth. I believe that black youth are treated unfairly by the police in this country as a general rule.I have made each of these points several times in this thread and I am not ashamed of it.

 

[Witz]

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:28, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:25, said:

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 10:17, said:

Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

1.5x the legal limit if you were pulled over, if you consider that "very minor"

Stop - you are literally making stuff up now.

Toxicology tests found ingredients of the drug in the teenager’s chest blood — 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of (THC), in addition to 7.3 nanograms of (THC-COOH)

Concentrations of THC usually rise to 100 to 200 ng/ml after marijuana use, though it typically falls to below 5 ng/ml within three hours of it being smoked.

Sorry - but that does constitute as minor.

 

[Slapdash]

Slapdash, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:09, said:

Jojo the circus boy, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:48, said:

timschochet, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:40, said:

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

The insinuation you are making that DMX produces violent behavior similar to PCP is pretty laughable.

Pretty long read on it, if you care to educate yourself:http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/

Oh dear.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

1.5x the legal limit if you were pulled over, if you consider that "very minor"

Stop - you are literally making stuff up now.

Combined THC's level was 1.5 + 7.3 = 8.8 ng/mlVast majority of states have zero tolerance laws on the books

Nevada and Ohio have per se impaired limits of 2 ng/ml

PA = 5 ng/ml

CO = 5 ng/ml

WA is considering 8 ng/ml

for someone to buy him a blunt after the cashier denies him.TOAST!

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Slapdash, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:09, said:

Jojo the circus boy, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:48, said:

timschochet, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:40, said:

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

The insinuation you are making that DMX produces violent behavior similar to PCP is pretty laughable.

Pretty long read on it, if you care to educate yourself:http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/

Oh dear.

Maybe this is less scary looking for you:http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_basics.shtml

EFFECTS #

The DXM experience varies by dose. Different recreational dose ranges are sometimes described in terms of plateaus of effects. Low doses produce a mild stimulant effect. Moderate doses generally produce intoxicating effects that are sometimes compared to alcohol or cannabis use. High doses are dissociative in the sense of causing a feeling of separation from one's body, and are sometimes compared to the effects of other dissociatives such as PCP or ketamine.

More...

Full Text:

Copyright Harper's Magazine Foundation Jun 1993

THE ELECTRIC COUGH-SYRUP ACID TEST

From "Poor Man's PCP," by Jim Hogshire, in the Spring issue of Pills-a-go-go, "the journal of pills," published by Hogshire in Seattle.

This issue's pill review is devoted to a chemical called Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide, the "DM" in DM cough syrups such as Robitussin Maximum Strength Cough. It's one of the most mystifying drugs in the pharmacopia. Even though it can be found in virtually every over-the-counter cold, flu, and cough remedy, most reference works hardly mention it; when they do, their information is sketchy and sometimes contradictory.

One reference book called it a "narcotic antagonist" with "very good analgesic" properties. Other descriptions say DM is a cough suppressant only and does not kill pain. It is supposedly non-addicting. And it's not supposed to get you high--though legions of high-school and college students have formed an entirely different opinion. DM produces "full warping of subspace," in the words of one experimenter, who took more than the recommended dosage. "Pin Head with expansive arms/legs. Incredible head size. Warping and folding of body. Incredible spatial distortions."

With this in mind, your faithful editor decided to carry out a Robitussin experiment of his own.

Last night I drank about eight ounces of DM cough syrup. I was feeling kind of achy and wanted to see if it would kill pain. After a couple of hours all my pain had gone away, and I went to bed. It was midnight, but I felt neither awake nor asleep. It was like a typical narcotic high--mildly content, kind of nodding--but not as pleasant.

At four o'clock in the morning I woke up suddenly and remembered that I had to go to Kinko's copy shop and that I had to shave off about a week's worth of stubble from my face. These ideas were very clear to me. That may seem normal, but the fact was that I had a reptilian brain. My whole way of thinking and perceiving had changed. I had full control over my motor functions, but I felt ungainly. I was detached from my body, as if I were on laughing gas.

So I got in the shower and shaved. While I was shaving I "thought" that for all I knew I was hacking my face to pieces. Since I didn't see any blood or feel any pain I didn't worry about it. Had I looked down and seen that I had grown another limb, I wouldn't have been surprised at all; I would have just used it. Looking back, I realize that I had already lost all sense of time.

The world became a binary place of dark and light, on and off, safety and danger. I felt a need, determined it was hunger, and ate almonds until I didn't feel the need anymore. Same thing with water. It was like playing a game. I sat at my desk and tried to write down how this felt so I could look at it later. I wrote down the word "Cro-Magnon." I was very aware that I was stupid. I think I probably seemed like Benny on L.A. Law.

I thought I would have trouble driving but I had none. I only felt "unsafe" in the dark street until I got into the "safe" car. Luckily there were only a couple of people in Kinko's and one of them was a friend. She confirmed that my pupils were of different sizes. One wasn't quite round. I knew I was ####ed up.

I knew there was no way I could know if I was correctly adhering to social customs. I didn't even know how to modulate my voice. Was I talking too loud? Did I look like a regular person? I understood that I was involved in a big contraption called civilization and that certain things were expected of me, but I could not comprehend what the hell those things might be.

All the words that came out of my mouth seemed equal. Instead of saying "reduce it about 90 percent" I could have said "two eggs and some toast, please." The whole world was broken down into elemental parts, each being of equal "value" to the whole--which is to say, of no value at all.

I sat at a table and read a newspaper. It was the most absurd thing I had ever seen! Each story purported to be a description of a thing or an event, or was supposed to cover "news" of reality in another place. This seemed stupid. An article on the war in Burma was described as "the war the West forgot." It had an "at-a-glance" chart that said Burma was approximately three times the size of the state of Washington. This was meaningless and I knew it. The story did not even begin to describe the tiniest fragment of the reality of what was happening in that place. Since I hadn't always been a reptile, I knew things were what they call "complicated" and that the paper's pitiful attempt to categorize individuals as "rebels" or "insurgents" or to describe the reasons for the agony was ridiculous. I laughed out loud.

I found being a reptile kind of pleasant. I was content to sit there and monitor my surroundings. I was alert but not anxious. Every now and then I would do a "reality check" to make sure I wasn't masturbating or strangling someone, because of my vague awareness that more was expected of me than just being a reptile. At one point I ventured across the street to a hamburger place to get something to eat. It was closed and yet there were workers inside. This truly confused me, and I considered trying to find a way to simply run in, grab some food, and make off with it. Luckily, the store opened (it was now 6 A.M.) and I entered the front door like a normal customer.

It was difficult to remember how to perform a money-for-merchandise transaction and even more difficult to put it into words, but I was eventually successful. I ate the hamburger slowly and deliberately. If I had become full before I finished the hamburger, I think I would have simply let it fall from my hands.

The life of a reptile may seem boring to us, but I was never bored when I was a reptile. If something started to hurt me, I took steps to get away from it; if it felt better over there, that's where I stayed. Now, twenty-four hours later, I'm beginning to get my neocortex back (I think). Soon, I hope to be human again.

 

[Slapdash]

Slapdash, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:09, said:

Jojo the circus boy, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:48, said:

timschochet, on 04 Jun 2013 - 09:40, said:

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

The insinuation you are making that DMX produces violent behavior similar to PCP is pretty laughable.

Pretty long read on it, if you care to educate yourself:http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/

Oh dear.

Maybe this is less scary looking for you:http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_basics.shtml

EFFECTS #

The DXM experience varies by dose. Different recreational dose ranges are sometimes described in terms of plateaus of effects. Low doses produce a mild stimulant effect. Moderate doses generally produce intoxicating effects that are sometimes compared to alcohol or cannabis use. High doses are dissociative in the sense of causing a feeling of separation from one's body, and are sometimes compared to the effects of other dissociatives such as PCP or ketamine.

I read that whole "argument" you linked to, though I would appreciate a NSFW tag on stuff like that. Some of us have things to do during the day besides mine bitcoins.

 

[greenroom]

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

I can't believe that you're seriously speculating that Martin bought Skittles in order to concoct PCP, and that this suggests to you that Martin might already have been on PCP. I mean do you have any clue at all how ludicrous you sound?

I never said he was actually on PCP or that you can make PCP from Skittles, re-read what I wrote.Anything is possible. Why didn't he open up the juice and take a sip on his walk home, why not open up the candy? Both of those are pretty odd. What was he motioning for behind the counter that the cashier at 7-11 denied him?

Wow. I never thought of that before. You're right. He never did open the skittles bag on the way home. Based on this, I reverse my views. The Z man is obviously innocent. Trayvon was on his way home to crush them there skittles and snort em. He was one wacko kid.

No doubt its a long shot and likely unable to be proven, but it would explain why Martin was so violent to Zimmerman. The fact that he had made posts in the past publicly asking where he can get some codeine and how he has made "lean" and would be making it again using OTC cough medicine means it is possible. For those saying it would have shown up on the drug screen are wrong. From what I read they did not perform a comprehensive drug screen that would have picked up OTC drugs.

What’s your explanation on why Zimmerman was so violent to Martin since he did kill him? I think it is reasonable to think that Martin feared for his life to have an adult come at him at night. Martin was defending himself from Zimmerman who was initiating the contact with Martin. We have no idea what was said between the two and guess what we probably will not ever know.

Bottom line is that if Zimmerman would of never stopped Mr. Martin that night, we would not be discussing this topic. And I am not saying that Zimmerman should go to jail, but lets stop making him out to be a hero for taking out this kid. When he will have to live with the fact that he took another persons when he could of avoided the entire situation.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:28, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 04 Jun 2013 - 11:25, said:

Witz, on 04 Jun 2013 - 10:17, said:

Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

1.5x the legal limit if you were pulled over, if you consider that "very minor"

Stop - you are literally making stuff up now.

Toxicology tests found ingredients of the drug in the teenager’s chest blood — 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of (THC), in addition to 7.3 nanograms of (THC-COOH)

Concentrations of THC usually rise to 100 to 200 ng/ml after marijuana use, though it typically falls to below 5 ng/ml within three hours of it being smoked.

Sorry - but that does constitute as minor.

I don't think that constitutes minor or major.. suggests that he smoked marijuana that day.. But not in the last 3 hours before his death..

The whole "Trayvon smoked marijuana" argument in my opinion isn't about whether or not he was high, or impaired. More about showing the character of the individual. Believe it or not, there are plenty of kids that make it through high school without smoking marijuana. Some of you suggest that most kids do it. I don't agree. I don't know the statistics, I'll look it up after this post, but I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% of high school kids have tried it, and maybe 20% do smoke on a regular basis.. (just a guess) It's really irrelevant IMO though. The sum of all the collected photos, Facebook, twitter, suspensions, guns, fights, stolen jewelry, etc would lead me do believe this kid was on the wrong path and was capable of attacking someone who he thought was messing with him..

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

What’s your explanation on why Zimmerman was so violent to Martin since he did kill him? I think it is reasonable to think that Martin feared for his life to have an adult come at him at night. Martin was defending himself from Zimmerman who was initiating the contact with Martin. We have no idea what was said between the two and guess what we probably will not ever know.

Bottom line is that if Zimmerman would of never stopped Mr. Martin that night, we would not be discussing this topic. And I am not saying that Zimmerman should go to jail, but lets stop making him out to be a hero for taking out this kid. When he will have to live with the fact that he took another persons when he could of avoided the entire situation.

Ok

 

[Carolina Hustler]

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

I can't believe that you're seriously speculating that Martin bought Skittles in order to concoct PCP, and that this suggests to you that Martin might already have been on PCP. I mean do you have any clue at all how ludicrous you sound?

I never said he was actually on PCP or that you can make PCP from Skittles, re-read what I wrote.Anything is possible. Why didn't he open up the juice and take a sip on his walk home, why not open up the candy? Both of those are pretty odd. What was he motioning for behind the counter that the cashier at 7-11 denied him?

Wow. I never thought of that before. You're right. He never did open the skittles bag on the way home. Based on this, I reverse my views. The Z man is obviously innocent. Trayvon was on his way home to crush them there skittles and snort em. He was one wacko kid.

No doubt its a long shot and likely unable to be proven, but it would explain why Martin was so violent to Zimmerman. The fact that he had made posts in the past publicly asking where he can get some codeine and how he has made "lean" and would be making it again using OTC cough medicine means it is possible. For those saying it would have shown up on the drug screen are wrong. From what I read they did not perform a comprehensive drug screen that would have picked up OTC drugs.

What’s your explanation on why Zimmerman was so violent to Martin since he did kill him? I think it is reasonable to think that Martin feared for his life to have an adult come at him at night. Martin was defending himself from Zimmerman who was initiating the contact with Martin. We have no idea what was said between the two and guess what we probably will not ever know.

Bottom line is that if Zimmerman would of never stopped Mr. Martin that night, we would not be discussing this topic. And I am not saying that Zimmerman should go to jail, but lets stop making him out to be a hero for taking out this kid. When he will have to live with the fact that he took another persons when he could of avoided the entire situation.

There is no evidence telling us that Zimmerman initiated contact, or stopped Martin..

I do think it's reasonable however to assume 1 of 2 things.

1) Martin could have been in fear of bodily harm which gives him the right to defend himself.

2) Martin also could have made it safely home without a confrontation as he was within seconds of his backdoor. Zimmerman would have never caught him before he made it to his house, and the timeline shows Trayvon definitly either stopped and waited for Zimmerman, or came back to Zimmerman.

Trayvon may have had the right to defend himself, but could have just as easily went home instead. Maybe he stood his ground, and legally he would have been justified. Zimmerman also didn't have to be a nosy do-good-er, but felt he was trying to keep his neighborhood safe. If he was attacked once the 2 started talking, he was within his rights to defend himself as well. If it was a mutual struggle, Zimmerman was still within his rights.

If Zimmerman chased down, and tackled Trayvan (unlikely), once Zimmerman was on the ground with trayvon on top of him, couldn't get away, and was in fear of death or bodily harm, legally, he had a right to defend himself..

I'm ok with a guy looking out for his neighbors. And I'm ok with either of them defending themselves. I'm not ok with the initial act of physical aggression. But there is no proof of who was the first to actually make physical contact, that will never be proven, so that leaves me with them both having the right to defend themselves, which Zimmerman did...

Without evidence of who initiated the contact, or who was trying to get free of who once the struggle commenced, I can't with good conscience convict the man.

Zimmerman says Trayvon approached him, threw the first punch (first physical contact), and then got on top of him, hitting him, banging his head on the ground, covering his mouth. If that is true, Zimmerman was legally within his rights.. After Trayvon got on top of him, without the hitting, banging of head, and covering the mouth, Zimmerman was legally justified to shoot if he was afraid (fear of bodily harm)..

 

[pantherclub]

/ lol

 

[kentric]

JoJo I fear for your sanity if Zimmerman is found guilty.

You yourself said you couldn't understand why Martin would assault Zimmerman so violently. If he was on something the equivalent of PCP, that wouldn't be enough to convince you? Is there any evidence to prove this? Outside of an unopened can of juice and unopened skittles, nope. If he is found guilty there is something seriously wrong with the jury and justice system.

I can't believe that you're seriously speculating that Martin bought Skittles in order to concoct PCP, and that this suggests to you that Martin might already have been on PCP. I mean do you have any clue at all how ludicrous you sound?

Anything is possible. Why didn't he open up the juice and take a sip on his walk home, why not open up the candy? Both of those are pretty odd. What was he motioning for behind the counter that the cashier at 7-11 denied him?

Apparently the answer to my question is no.

The more you look into Martin's past, the deleted facebook and twitter accounts, the more questions arise. It's pretty clear you don't care about the truth. You don't care that Zimmerman has black relatives or that he stood up for Sherman Ware, you only care about your ridiculous racial profiling viewpoint.

I don't see anywhere that Tim was throwing around the race card. I don't think the factor of race or Z confronting Martin because Z was predjudiced will go anywhere in this trial. Profiling appears to be evident, but that can be put in another bucket IMO.

Search this thread for the word black or profiled and you will see all of the posts Tim has made to make this about race.

I was just referring to Tim's position prior to your comments on black relatives and Sherman Ware. I didn't think they were necessary in objecting to his point since they weren't rebutting any staement he made. I've read the thread from page 1 and know Tim is pretty expressive on race. That's pretty much why I made my second statement on race not being a factor IMO. Z looks to have been pretty tolerant/supportive of blacks (as you point out with Sherman Ware (can't help what relatives you have)) but he was profiling based on the kids outfit (and possibly color). I don't necessarily think profiling of that nature is inherently predjucial.

 

[timschochet]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

 

[kentric]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

Why do you assume if the kid was white and all other situations the same, that Zimmerman would not have acted the same? Trayvon had a hood on, If I remember correctly, Zimmerman said "I think he's Black" when asked, meaning he wasn't sure..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

And then there is this as well.. Good point.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

timschochet, on 04 Jun 2013 - 14:04, said:

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

After a thorough investigation the FBI concluded Zimmerman did not racially profile Martin, so feel free to believe what you want.Here is every suspicious activity call Zimmerman made

 

[timschochet]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

I understand your argument- I might very well do the same. But I think this is an incorrect way to behave, and I wish that you (and I) would not behave in such a manner. It doesn't qualify you as racist, but I think it' a racist decision, if you see the distinction.

 

[timschochet]

timschochet, on 04 Jun 2013 - 14:04, said:

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

After a thorough investigation the FBI concluded Zimmerman did not racially profile Martin, so feel free to believe what you want.Here is every suspicious activity call Zimmerman made

Yes, that was their legal conclusion. I am not bound by their legalistic definitions; I think Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin.

 

[kentric]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

I understand your argument- I might very well do the same. But I think this is an incorrect way to behave, and I wish that you (and I) would not behave in such a manner. It doesn't qualify you as racist, but I think it' a racist decision, if you see the distinction.

I see certain profiling as racist derived, but I don't view all profiling (by race) as a racist decision. To me, its just practical deduction and outcome. I work in NYC and if I hear that a terrorist attack by Al Queda is imminent, I want every single Hertz truck driven by anyone of Middle Eastern descent searched (those in or coming into the city). Is that a racist decision? To me, no. It has racial connotations for sure, but its a matter of expediency to me.

 

[moderated]

so he was buying skittles and tea to make a drug concoction and was already on a PCP like substance during the confrontation.

Nice detective work, very nice.

 

[timschochet]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

I understand your argument- I might very well do the same. But I think this is an incorrect way to behave, and I wish that you (and I) would not behave in such a manner. It doesn't qualify you as racist, but I think it' a racist decision, if you see the distinction.

I see certain profiling as racist derived, but I don't view all profiling (by race) as a racist decision. To me, its just practical deduction and outcome. I work in NYC and if I hear that a terrorist attack by Al Queda is imminent, I want every single Hertz truck driven by anyone of Middle Eastern descent searched (those in or coming into the city). Is that a racist decision? To me, no. It has racial connotations for sure, but its a matter of expediency to me.

Again, I get this, and I would do exactly the same. I'm not comfortable with it, however.

 

[kentric]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

I understand your argument- I might very well do the same. But I think this is an incorrect way to behave, and I wish that you (and I) would not behave in such a manner. It doesn't qualify you as racist, but I think it' a racist decision, if you see the distinction.

I see certain profiling as racist derived, but I don't view all profiling (by race) as a racist decision. To me, its just practical deduction and outcome. I work in NYC and if I hear that a terrorist attack by Al Queda is imminent, I want every single Hertz truck driven by anyone of Middle Eastern descent searched (those in or coming into the city). Is that a racist decision? To me, no. It has racial connotations for sure, but its a matter of expediency to me.

Again, I get this, and I would do exactly the same. I'm not comfortable with it, however.

Do you still consider my example a racist decision? It is definately racial profiling, but I don't consider it racist in and of itself.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

I understand your argument- I might very well do the same. But I think this is an incorrect way to behave, and I wish that you (and I) would not behave in such a manner. It doesn't qualify you as racist, but I think it' a racist decision, if you see the distinction.

Are you serious?

So, if the report was that there was a white kid in a hood breaking into houses, and you saw a white kid in a hood walking through your neighborhood at night, would being suspicious of the kid who matched the description be racist in that instance?

I know you're just trolling now...

 

[timschochet]

I haven't responded to the Sherman Ware thing because it's so incredibly simplistic. People like to pigeonhole everyone- you are either a racist, or you're not a racist. How you react in each situation is supposed to "prove" whether or not you're a racist. It's stupid.

If the Sherman Ware story is as reported here, then Zimmerman behaved (in regards to Ware) in a non-racist fashion. If Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon Martin when he would not have followed a white teenager with all of the same attributes, then in that case Zimmerman behaved in a racist fashion. The two don't contradict each other. There are very very few of us who are either racist all of the time or are not racist any of the time.

If I'm on citizens watch and I know that a black kid wearing a hoodie has been involved in break-ins and I see a black kid with a hoodie on and a white kid with a hoodie on walking in the area, then I'm going to follow the black kid rather than the white kid. That doesn't quality me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone who is looking to historical evidence in making a decision.

I understand your argument- I might very well do the same. But I think this is an incorrect way to behave, and I wish that you (and I) would not behave in such a manner. It doesn't qualify you as racist, but I think it' a racist decision, if you see the distinction.

I see certain profiling as racist derived, but I don't view all profiling (by race) as a racist decision. To me, its just practical deduction and outcome. I work in NYC and if I hear that a terrorist attack by Al Queda is imminent, I want every single Hertz truck driven by anyone of Middle Eastern descent searched (those in or coming into the city). Is that a racist decision? To me, no. It has racial connotations for sure, but its a matter of expediency to me.

Again, I get this, and I would do exactly the same. I'm not comfortable with it, however.

Do you still consider my example a racist decision? It is definately racial profiling, but I don't consider it racist in and of itself.

Yes. I consider racial profiling to be a racist. I don't see a distinction.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

New evidence: Zimmerman applied to become a cop but was rejectedSANFORD — Prosecutors have filed paperwork revealing that murder defendant George Zimmerman applied to become a police officer in a county near Washington, D.C. but was turned down.

His application and rejection letter are among the latest pieces of evidence the state has notified defense attorneys they may use at Zimmerman's trial, which begins Monday.

Zimmerman says he acted in self-defense. Prosecutors say he profiled the teenager, assumed Trayvon was about to commit a crime, followed and killed him.

The new list of evidence, filed Monday, says Zimmerman applied to become an officer in Prince William County, Md., but that appears to be an error. There is no Prince William County in Maryland, however, there is one in Virginia, and it's the site of Zimmerman's hometown:Manassas.

The paperwork does not spell out when Zimmerman applied for the job, but it is not the first indication that he had an interest in police work.

He was a student at Seminole State College, about to complete a two-year degree in criminal justice, at the time of the shooting.

He also took part in a citizens' academy, a program sponsored by the Seminole County Sheriff's Officethat allows people to become more familiar with police work.

On his 2008 application to join that program, he wrote, "I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regard as I hope to one day become one."

The new evidence list includes information that Zimmerman trained at a Longwood gym that specializes in boxing and kickboxing.

A webpage for the business, Kokopelli's Gym, describes it as "the most complete fight gym in the world."

He should ask for his money back

 

[timschochet]

Wtf? Guy trained at kickboxing, had a gun, but let an unarmed teenager who weighed less than him beat him senseless?

 

[timschochet]

Let me give you another reason why I think Zimmerman is lying: after I was carjacked a few years back, a close friend of mine tried to convincer to buy a gun and carry it around; he has a CCW. I argued that it would not have prevented the carjack, and I'll never forget his response: "when you're carrying a gun you are more alert. You're less likely to be surprised, and the knowledge that you are armed is always with you." Though I didn't buy the gun, I understood his point and I believed him.

And that's why I think Zimmerman is full of crap. Whether he was surprised or not (that in itself seems highly implausible to me since he was following Martin and not the other way around) the idea that he would engage in a fight without immediately producing his gun, that he would then choose to fire his gun without first showing it to Martin, and most of all that he would be in fear for his life and screaming for help in such a situation all the while knowing he possessed a gun and his opponent did not- it's BS. It could not have gone down that way.

 

[Christo]

Let me give you another reason why I think Zimmerman is lying: after I was carjacked a few years back, a close friend of mine tried to convincer to buy a gun and carry it around; he has a CCW. I argued that it would not have prevented the carjack, and I'll never forget his response: "when you're carrying a gun you are more alert. You're less likely to be surprised, and the knowledge that you are armed is always with you." Though I didn't buy the gun, I understood his point and I believed him.

And that's why I think Zimmerman is full of crap. Whether he was surprised or not (that in itself seems highly implausible to me since he was following Martin and not the other way around) the idea that he would engage in a fight without immediately producing his gun, that he would then choose to fire his gun without first showing it to Martin, and most of all that he would be in fear for his life and screaming for help in such a situation all the while knowing he possessed a gun and his opponent did not- it's BS. It could not have gone down that way.

http://i.imgur.com/3iIti.jpg.jpg

 

[timschochet]

Let me give you another reason why I think Zimmerman is lying: after I was carjacked a few years back, a close friend of mine tried to convincer to buy a gun and carry it around; he has a CCW. I argued that it would not have prevented the carjack, and I'll never forget his response: "when you're carrying a gun you are more alert. You're less likely to be surprised, and the knowledge that you are armed is always with you." Though I didn't buy the gun, I understood his point and I believed him.

And that's why I think Zimmerman is full of crap. Whether he was surprised or not (that in itself seems highly implausible to me since he was following Martin and not the other way around) the idea that he would engage in a fight without immediately producing his gun, that he would then choose to fire his gun without first showing it to Martin, and most of all that he would be in fear for his life and screaming for help in such a situation all the while knowing he possessed a gun and his opponent did not- it's BS. It could not have gone down that way.

http://i.imgur.com/3iIti.jpg.jpg

If the other boxer had entered the ring armed with a gun, his plan would have been very different, don't you think? And that's my whole point.

 

[Slapdash]

Wtf? Guy trained at kickboxing, had a gun, but let an unarmed teenager who weighed less than him beat him senseless?

Obviously because Travon was on homemade PCP.

 

[Christo]

Let me give you another reason why I think Zimmerman is lying: after I was carjacked a few years back, a close friend of mine tried to convincer to buy a gun and carry it around; he has a CCW. I argued that it would not have prevented the carjack, and I'll never forget his response: "when you're carrying a gun you are more alert. You're less likely to be surprised, and the knowledge that you are armed is always with you." Though I didn't buy the gun, I understood his point and I believed him.

And that's why I think Zimmerman is full of crap. Whether he was surprised or not (that in itself seems highly implausible to me since he was following Martin and not the other way around) the idea that he would engage in a fight without immediately producing his gun, that he would then choose to fire his gun without first showing it to Martin, and most of all that he would be in fear for his life and screaming for help in such a situation all the while knowing he possessed a gun and his opponent did not- it's BS. It could not have gone down that way.

http://i.imgur.com/3iIti.jpg.jpg

If the other boxer had entered the ring armed with a gun, his plan would have been very different, don't you think? And that's my whole point.

Obviously, you didn't read what Mike said.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Let me give you another reason why I think Zimmerman is lying: after I was carjacked a few years back, a close friend of mine tried to convincer to buy a gun and carry it around; he has a CCW. I argued that it would not have prevented the carjack, and I'll never forget his response: "when you're carrying a gun you are more alert. You're less likely to be surprised, and the knowledge that you are armed is always with you." Though I didn't buy the gun, I understood his point and I believed him.

And that's why I think Zimmerman is full of crap. Whether he was surprised or not (that in itself seems highly implausible to me since he was following Martin and not the other way around) the idea that he would engage in a fight without immediately producing his gun, that he would then choose to fire his gun without first showing it to Martin, and most of all that he would be in fear for his life and screaming for help in such a situation all the while knowing he possessed a gun and his opponent did not- it's BS. It could not have gone down that way.

http://i.imgur.com/3iIti.jpg.jpg

If the other boxer had entered the ring armed with a gun, his plan would have been very different, don't you think? And that's my whole point.

Obviously, you didn't read what Mike said.

im not sure zimm would know whether trey was armed or not

 

[Warrior]

Let me give you another reason why I think Zimmerman is lying: after I was carjacked a few years back, a close friend of mine tried to convincer to buy a gun and carry it around; he has a CCW. I argued that it would not have prevented the carjack, and I'll never forget his response: "when you're carrying a gun you are more alert. You're less likely to be surprised, and the knowledge that you are armed is always with you." Though I didn't buy the gun, I understood his point and I believed him.

And that's why I think Zimmerman is full of crap. Whether he was surprised or not (that in itself seems highly implausible to me since he was following Martin and not the other way around) the idea that he would engage in a fight without immediately producing his gun, that he would then choose to fire his gun without first showing it to Martin, and most of all that he would be in fear for his life and screaming for help in such a situation all the while knowing he possessed a gun and his opponent did not- it's BS. It could not have gone down that way.

http://i.imgur.com/3iIti.jpg.jpg

 

[timschochet]

Wtf? Guy trained at kickboxing, had a gun, but let an unarmed teenager who weighed less than him beat him senseless?

Obviously because Travon was on homemade PCP.

Of all the arguments made by either side in this thread, the using Skittles to make PCP stands on its own. It may well be, given the context, the single most absurd seriously made argument that I have ever read in this forum. An instant classic. JoJo has achieved immortality.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Wtf? Guy trained at kickboxing, had a gun, but let an unarmed teenager who weighed less than him beat him senseless?

Obviously because Travon was on homemade PCP.

Of all the arguments made by either side in this thread, the using Skittles to make PCP stands on its own. It may well be, given the context, the single most absurd seriously made argument that I have ever read in this forum. An instant classic. JoJo has achieved immortality.

Almost as absurd as thinking we live in the wild west and stating Zimmerman should have been able to draw his gun before getting sucker punched by Martin, but go ahead and keep humoring yourself.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Let me give you another reason why I think Zimmerman is lying: after I was carjacked a few years back, a close friend of mine tried to convincer to buy a gun and carry it around; he has a CCW. I argued that it would not have prevented the carjack, and I'll never forget his response: "when you're carrying a gun you are more alert. You're less likely to be surprised, and the knowledge that you are armed is always with you." Though I didn't buy the gun, I understood his point and I believed him.

And that's why I think Zimmerman is full of crap. Whether he was surprised or not (that in itself seems highly implausible to me since he was following Martin and not the other way around) the idea that he would engage in a fight without immediately producing his gun, that he would then choose to fire his gun without first showing it to Martin, and most of all that he would be in fear for his life and screaming for help in such a situation all the while knowing he possessed a gun and his opponent did not- it's BS. It could not have gone down that way.

good one ColumboTry "showing your gun" when someone is on top of you, less than a few feet separating you, before firing at them and watch them either knock it out of your hands or disarm you.

Zimmerman should have called "Timeout" so Martin would stop wailing on him so Zimmerman could unholster his gun and point it at him so that Martin would stop pounding Zimmerman's head into the pavement, put his hands up and stand up since that is how it works on T.V.

I don't know who is worse CSI-Tim, or Dexter-Busted-Knuckles-Blood-Splatter.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

you`re right...i have no idea what im thinking...blood at a crime scene being a factor ...

 

[timschochet]

JoJo's at the movie theater, minding his own business. He's in the concession line, waiting to purchase some popcorn. The guy in front of JoJo, seems like an ordinary kid, but then he says to the counter girl, "I'd like some Skittles, please. And an iced tea."

JoJo goes on instant alert. He stares at the dude in front of him. Skittles AND iced tea? Suppose this guy is planning on making homemade PCP? Suppose he's ALREADY ON PCP????

Very quietly, JoJo reaches for his gun. Just in case...