Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

When is the gf scheduled to testify?

I feel bad for her. She's obviously not the most intelligent or sophisticated person, but she still lost somebody, has been put through a lot, and it doesn't change the facts of the case or what she heard.

I am sure it is hard for her, but she would be a lot more sympathetic if she was not tweeting about how great her fingernails are going to look.

 

[jon_mx]

NBC nightly news just did a piece on today's action. I guess I was mistaken in what I saw. They said it was a very good day for the prosecution and the defense will have a tough time recuperating from today's testimonies.

Did they really report that?

I can't believe they wouldn't agree with Hannity forums.

Neither slant is good reporting. To say yesterday's testimony would be tough to recoup from is not reality. The officer who provided testimony about trying to revive Martin was a good emotional hook, but no real information on the events. The black neighborhood watch lady helped both sides, perhaps Zimmerman more than the prosecution. The photographer set up the scene of the events, but nothing really incriminating. Until the proscution shows evidence that Zimmerman intentionally killed Martin and was not scared for his life, the case has very little chance. Unfortunatly, all these anti-Zimmerman/pro-Martin slant will serve to stir up emotions and increase the possibility of very large scale riots if this trial goes the way I think it will.

 

[Godsbrother]

When is the gf scheduled to testify?

I feel bad for her. She's obviously not the most intelligent or sophisticated person, but she still lost somebody, has been put through a lot, and it doesn't change the facts of the case or what she heard.

She be awright wanse she has hur nayls dun and git hur drink and smoke on.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

In all seriousness, if it turns out that Geragos and others are correct and Zimmerman does not testify (this remains to be seen) then the girlfriend's testimony will be the most dramatic in this entire trial. How she holds up under cross-examination will be pretty fascinating to watch.

Over / Under % of questions she answers under cross-examination = "I don't remember"50%

If she answers that to a single important question then the prosecution did not do its job.

So I assume you are taking the under?How did that (the prosecution prepping her) work out for Selene Bahadoor?

 

[avoiding injuries]

With today's digital technology, I'm not sure a witness like this can be prepared. If she's tweeting out about the case and getting high, how will she have any credibility with middle aged woman jurors.

 

[jon_mx]

NBC nightly news just did a piece on today's action. I guess I was mistaken in what I saw. They said it was a very good day for the prosecution and the defense will have a tough time recuperating from today's testimonies.

I'll bet anyone that Zimmerman is not convicted.....anyone?

In the Obama/Romney thread as well as the Tiger thread, as soon as an offer offer was made to place a bet, everyone who argued the opposite point was shamed if they didn't bet. We'll see what happens here.

I already won one bet. I am playing on house money.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

NBC nightly news just did a piece on today's action. I guess I was mistaken in what I saw. They said it was a very good day for the prosecution and the defense will have a tough time recuperating from today's testimonies.

I'll bet anyone that Zimmerman is not convicted.....anyone?

In the Obama/Romney thread as well as the Tiger thread, as soon as an offer offer was made to place a bet, everyone who argued the opposite point was shamed if they didn't bet. We'll see what happens here.

I already won one bet. I am playing on house money.

What was the bet?

 

[Gawain]

Juror B72 removed from case.

 

[The Commish]

Anyone have a per witness take on the trial today? I don't care who.. I'd be happy with Tim's take even..

I believe four witnesses. Sargeant who came to scene and tried to revive Trayvon - very credible.

Neighborhood watch professional. stated that Z acted outside norms in following and not just calling police however, she said that it is natural to investigate situations about suspicious individuals/situations (i.e., a person walking in rain looking in windows, etc.)

President of homeowner association - older gent who seemed lost.

Police Forensics woman - so-so testimony.

Witness who heard fight moving left to right - she is being drilled by defense because the L to R was never mentioned in testimonial docs before.

What did the sarge say? Any sticking testimony there one way or the other?

One thing that stuck out to me was his testimony right as he got on scene and the actions he took. He said it was "misting" when he arrived and that they covered the body to keep it out of the elements shortly after they got there. The president of the HOA didn't think the neighborhood watch was necessary, but let Zimmerman run with it since he did. I didn't get to watch much after those two.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

sounds like another botched/prepped witness by the prosecution, we'll find out during cross.

her testimony is totally contradicted by her own 911 call

 

[kentric]

In all seriousness, if it turns out that Geragos and others are correct and Zimmerman does not testify (this remains to be seen) then the girlfriend's testimony will be the most dramatic in this entire trial. How she holds up under cross-examination will be pretty fascinating to watch.

Over / Under % of questions she answers under cross-examination = "I don't remember"50%

If she answers that to a single important question then the prosecution did not do its job.

She's already been proven to be a liar. I'm not sure if it was under oath, but being Trayvon's bf, speculating that it was Trayvon who was hit (proving bias) and lying, that doesn't point to her testimony carrying a ton of weight.

And before you reply, I concur that Z is biased in his own testimony as well.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Juror B72 removed from case.

Any info on this?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Juror B72 removed from case.

Any info on this?

alternate, reason was not related to the case

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Single older woman on witness stand, says she heard 3 shots, says there was a 5-10 minute gap between hearing voices and the altercation. Says she opened the window during State testimony, explicitly states she didn't open the window on 911 call.

btw has a cat, named Leo

 

[jamny]

Single older woman on witness stand, says she heard 3 shots, says there was a 5-10 minute gap between hearing voices and the altercation. Says she opened the window during State testimony, explicitly states she didn't open the window on 911 call.

btw has a cat, named Leo

You forgot to mention that she said there was a clear distinction in the voices and the one that yelled "help" sounded like the younger voice. Or the boy as she put it, compared the the more aggressive adult voice.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Single older woman on witness stand, says she heard 3 shots, says there was a 5-10 minute gap between hearing voices and the altercation. Says she opened the window during State testimony, explicitly states she didn't open the window on 911 call.

btw has a cat, named Leo

You forgot to mention that she said there was a clear distinction in the voices and the one that yelled "help" sounded like the younger voice. Or the boy as she put it, compared the the more aggressive adult voice.

Yes, to be more precise:We: It was the cries for help that made you feel compelled to help

Witness: yes, the 1 cry

WEST: "It was a plea for mercy"

Witness: a plea from someone to save them

Witness: a plea to save them to die, since they ultimately died

West: Well that is your opinion, we'll get to that

West: "Two distinct yells for help, First word Help"

Witness: "More So"

West:"The second one a higher more excurciating Help like a Yelp?"

Witness:"Yes"

 

[Gawain]

This woman has been the best witness by far the state has put up.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This woman has been the best witness by far the state has put up.

best coached so far I'd clarify, she is still a wreck and contradicting herself left and right

 

[jamny]

That lady is a bit unstable. I know she witnessed something horrible but, wow.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This woman has been the best witness by far the state has put up.

agreed, she'd doing some damage

 

[BustedKnuckles]

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

I almost forgot about this....

 

[jon_mx]

NBC nightly news just did a piece on today's action. I guess I was mistaken in what I saw. They said it was a very good day for the prosecution and the defense will have a tough time recuperating from today's testimonies.

I'll bet anyone that Zimmerman is not convicted.....anyone?

In the Obama/Romney thread as well as the Tiger thread, as soon as an offer offer was made to place a bet, everyone who argued the opposite point was shamed if they didn't bet. We'll see what happens here.

I already won one bet. I am playing on house money.

What was the bet?

Someone bet there would be a plea deal and this would not go to trial.

 

[pantherclub]

This woman has been the best witness by far the state has put up.

best coached so far I'd clarify, she is still a wreck and contradicting herself left and right

 

[Witz]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This woman has been the best witness by far the state has put up.

best coached so far I'd clarify, she is still a wreck and contradicting herself left and right

Do you disagree?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

That lady is a bit unstable. I know she witnessed something horrible but, wow.

I think she is putting on a show a bit..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

 

[Carolina Hustler]

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

I almost forgot about this....

You almost forgot about an article clip from a no name rage about an anonymous source? That's completely unfounded and circumstantial? That's understandable..

 

[jon_mx]

This woman has been the best witness by far the state has put up.

Voice experts can't tell by tape, but this women is able to distinguish between an 18 year old and a 25 year old by the pitch of their screams. Yeah, i am buying it.

 

[Witz]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

Keep scrolling BK. It's the picture further down.

 

[Slapdash]

This woman has been the best witness by far the state has put up.

best coached so far I'd clarify, she is still a wreck and contradicting herself left and right

 

[BustedKnuckles]

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

I almost forgot about this....

You almost forgot about an article clip from a no name rage about an anomalous source? That's completely unfounded and circumstantial? That's understandable..

what would be the point of an anonymous person saying that? fame ? money?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

Keep scrolling BK. It's the picture further down.

you mean this one ????

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348155-1A814869000005DC-436_634x475.jpg

thats exactly what i was saying

 

[spreagle]

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

I almost forgot about this....

Sounds like he was just being decisive and ruthless in his response. This is the correct response, according to Sheriff Clarke, against wrongdoers.

 

[jamny]

That lady is a bit unstable. I know she witnessed something horrible but, wow.

I think she is putting on a show a bit..

On the 911 call?

 

[Witz]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

Keep scrolling BK. It's the picture further down.

you mean this one ????

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348155-1A814869000005DC-436_634x475.jpg

thats exactly what i was saying

I apologize then as I'm not sure what you are saying. Zimmerman said he got on top of Martin on his back (meaning he got on top of Martin's back) and moved his arms to the side. That picture shows exactly that.

Not sure what Guy is referring to but this picture corresponds to Zimmermans statement (and since there was another person there that assisted - I'm sure they'll be called to verify).

 

[kentric]

I think her testimony was definately beneficial in that she was consistent that the scream sounded like a younger person. The question will be whether the jury believes her ability to discern the voice was accurate or, she just was jumping to conclusions. This may hurt the defense alot.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

I almost forgot about this....

You almost forgot about an article clip from a no name rage about an anomalous source? That's completely unfounded and circumstantial? That's understandable..

what would be the point of an anonymous person saying that? fame ? money?

If there were any credibility to the claim don't you think it would have been a bigger story with a credible news source? And lets make it clear, the persons name wasn't given, that doesn't mean that they were not paid for an interview, or that they were not looking for attention..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

Keep scrolling BK. It's the picture further down.

you mean this one ????

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348155-1A814869000005DC-436_634x475.jpg

thats exactly what i was saying

I apologize then as I'm not sure what you are saying. Zimmerman said he got on top of Martin on his back (meaning he got on top of Martin's back) and moved his arms to the side. That picture shows exactly that.

Not sure what Guy is referring to but this picture corresponds to Zimmermans statement (and since there was another person there that assisted - I'm sure they'll be called to verify).

Im saying zimm lied about what he did after he shot trey....and the pic of trey face down proves that...a cop on the scene corresponds that also

 

[BustedKnuckles]

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

I almost forgot about this....

You almost forgot about an article clip from a no name rage about an anomalous source? That's completely unfounded and circumstantial? That's understandable..

what would be the point of an anonymous person saying that? fame ? money?

If there were any credibility to the claim don't you think it would have been a bigger story with a credible news source? And lets make it clear, the persons name wasn't given, that doesn't mean that they were not paid for an interview, or that they were not looking for attention..

ok

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

I almost forgot about this....

It must have slipped your mind.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's funny that there have been inconsistencies in almost every witness story we've heard, and Busted Knuckles is fixated on the position of the kids arms in a adrenaline filled crazy situation, in the black of the night..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It's funny that there have been inconsistencies in almost every witness story we've heard, and Busted Knuckles is fixated on the position of the kids arms in a adrenaline filled crazy situation, in the black of the night..

the witnesses aren't on trial for shooting an unarmed person.

 

[Witz]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

Keep scrolling BK. It's the picture further down.

you mean this one ????

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348155-1A814869000005DC-436_634x475.jpg

thats exactly what i was saying

I apologize then as I'm not sure what you are saying. Zimmerman said he got on top of Martin on his back (meaning he got on top of Martin's back) and moved his arms to the side. That picture shows exactly that.

Not sure what Guy is referring to but this picture corresponds to Zimmermans statement (and since there was another person there that assisted - I'm sure they'll be called to verify).

Im saying zimm lied about what he did after he shot trey....and the pic of trey face down proves that...a cop on the scene corresponds that also

“He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down.

Honestly not trying to be difficult but what part did he lie about? Martin's face down and his arms are spread apart in that picture. His arms may not be spread out like a giant X but they're spread out all the same.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

Keep scrolling BK. It's the picture further down.

you mean this one ????

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348155-1A814869000005DC-436_634x475.jpg

thats exactly what i was saying

I apologize then as I'm not sure what you are saying. Zimmerman said he got on top of Martin on his back (meaning he got on top of Martin's back) and moved his arms to the side. That picture shows exactly that.

Not sure what Guy is referring to but this picture corresponds to Zimmermans statement (and since there was another person there that assisted - I'm sure they'll be called to verify).

Im saying zimm lied about what he did after he shot trey....and the pic of trey face down proves that...a cop on the scene corresponds that also

The picture doesn't show Trayvon clutching his heart either.. Which is the position the officer said Trayvon was in..Does show 1 hand to the side.. Opps, the officer was wrong, guess he's a murderer.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's funny that there have been inconsistencies in almost every witness story we've heard, and Busted Knuckles is fixated on the position of the kids arms in a adrenaline filled crazy situation, in the black of the night..

the witnesses aren't on trial for shooting an unarmed person.

No, there testimony is expected to be evidence in the trial.. And so far, Zimmermans isn't.. You should think this over a bit better..

 

[kentric]

This has bothered me since this all happened...its may not seem that important on the surface but it tells us that Zimm`s account of what happened cant be trusted .

The first day of opening statements and formal testimony in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, covered a lot of ground in eight hours on Monday. But the prosecution zeroed in on something that has fascinated me for one day shy of a year: Trayvon’s hands. In his powerful opening statement outlining the “tangled web of lies” in the case against Zimmerman, Florida Assistant State Attorney John Guy told the jury, “He said that after he shot Trayvon Martin, he got on top of Trayvon Martin. On his back. And he took his arms and he spread them out. That didn’t happen.”

Zimmerman told Sanford police officers that tidbit about Trayvon’s arms twice. The first time was when he was interviewed by detectives the night of the shooting. The second time was during a reenactment of the events the day after the killing, which I detailed last year.

Guy’s confidence in saying “that didn’t happen” about Zimmerman moving Trayvon’s arms rests on two pieces of evidence. One we’ve all known about. Another we didn’t — or at least I didn’t.

“I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up.


“The first two officers to Trayvon Martin’s body found him exactly like the defendant left him — face down, his hands clutching his chest,” Guy told the jury. This is the evidence we’ve known from almost the very beginning. Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote in his report of the scene that he “noticed that there was, what appeared to be a black male…laying face down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body.”

Yesterday, Guy revealed that a neighbor took a cellphone photo of Trayvon’s body before the police arrived that rainy Feb. 26, 2012, night. Trayvon’s arms were underneath his body, Guy told the court.

There was a photo posted of Martin that actually does correspond to Zimmermans story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348155/George-Zimmerman-trial-Trayvon-Martins-parents-walk-jurys-shown-graphic-photos-sons-body.html

Scroll down to the middle of the article. Martin is on his back with his arms spread out.

So ur saying that the cops was lying and the pic on the cell phone is fake? Dont you think this pic was taken after the EMT`s tried to revive trey? seeing the rubber gloves indicates thats what this pic is about

Keep scrolling BK. It's the picture further down.

you mean this one ????

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348155-1A814869000005DC-436_634x475.jpg

thats exactly what i was saying

I apologize then as I'm not sure what you are saying. Zimmerman said he got on top of Martin on his back (meaning he got on top of Martin's back) and moved his arms to the side. That picture shows exactly that.

Not sure what Guy is referring to but this picture corresponds to Zimmermans statement (and since there was another person there that assisted - I'm sure they'll be called to verify).

Im saying zimm lied about what he did after he shot trey....and the pic of trey face down proves that...a cop on the scene corresponds that also

The picture doesn't show Trayvon clutching his heart either.. Which is the position the officer said Trayvon was in..Does show 1 hand to the side.. Opps, the officer was wrong, guess he's a murderer.

Not sure why you don't think it is important as it may raise significant doubts among the jurors as to Z's veracity.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Im saying zimm lied about what he did after he shot trey....and the pic of trey face down proves that...a cop on the scene corresponds that also

No it doesn't.. The pic show that he didn't spread the arms out like the prosecutor demonstrated.. But at no time did Zimmerman say he did what the prosecutor demonstrated..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Not sure why you don't think it is important as it may raise significant doubts among the jurors as to Z's veracity.

It's less important to me than if Zimmerman had remembered a more important detail incorrectly...

The position of the hands comes after the shooting and has very little to do if anything with how things unfolded and why the shooting took place..