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Florida Surgeon General recommends no jabs for kids (1 Viewer)

pinkham13

pinkham13

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/florida-surgeon-general-to-recommend-no-covid-19-vaccines-for-healthy-kids/ar-AAUJP7u
 

He says there are really no benefits that can be determined with any accuracy. Kind of like the masks, lockdowns and everything else that the tyrants imposed on us for the flu rebranded as Covid. Also will let Doctors decide if off label drugs work better than these experimental gene therapies that don’t stop you from getting anything. Quadruple vax Ed Israelis still get the Rona.

https://news.yahoo.com/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html

Real science doesn’t need censorship to stand on it’s own.

 
After that last report from New York, I think this is the right call. Everyone is free to make their own decisions, but statistically I don't see the need the recommend the vaccine at this time.

 
Uh, duh. I do not have any kids. So I really cannot give a full weigh in here. But it seems to me that whatever the CDC says the FL Gov and his tapdancing Surgeon General are going to contradict it. If I was a parent I would really be wondering about where to get my info.

Goober is busy selling "Don't Fauci our state" paraphernalia. Why is this a surprise to anyone?

 
Max Power said:
After that last report from New York, I think this is the right call. Everyone is free to make their own decisions, but statistically I don't see the need the recommend the vaccine at this time.
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To kids I agree.  As I posted in another thread I’m vaxed and boosted but didn’t have my 6yr old get it.  For adults I think the vax decision is very clear (get it), and the data supports it, but at this point as we transition from pandemic to endemic and with what we know now mandates are ridiculous.  

 
dkp993 said:
To kids I agree.  As I posted in another thread I’m vaxed and boosted but didn’t have my 6yr old get it.  For adults I think the vax decision is very clear (get it), and the data supports it, but at this point as we transition from pandemic to endemic and with what we know now mandates are ridiculous.  
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Yeah, I was referring to kids with that comment. Anyone over 30 without a prior infection should probably get vaccinated. 

 
pinkham13 said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/florida-surgeon-general-to-recommend-no-covid-19-vaccines-for-healthy-kids/ar-AAUJP7u
 

He says there are really no benefits that can be determined with any accuracy. Kind of like the masks, lockdowns and everything else that the tyrants imposed on us for the flu rebranded as Covid. Also will let Doctors decide if off label drugs work better than these experimental gene therapies that don’t stop you from getting anything. Quadruple vax Ed Israelis still get the Rona.

https://news.yahoo.com/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html

Real science doesn’t need censorship to stand on it’s own.
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The tyrants?

When you start a thread with a biased characterization like that, it impacts negatively any discussion following after that. 

 
Sand said:
Link?
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizerbiontech-covid-vaccine-less-effective-ages-5-11-new-york-study-2022-02-28/

Feb 28 (Reuters) - Two doses of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech SE (22UAy.DE) COVID-19 vaccine was protective against severe disease in children aged 5 to 11 during the recent Omicron variant surge, but quickly lost most of its ability to prevent infection in the age group, according to a study by New York State researchers.

The vaccine's efficacy against infection among those children declined to 12% at the end of January from 68% in mid-December compared to kids who did not get vaccinated, according the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed.

For those aged 12 to 17, the vaccine's protection against infection fell to 51% in late January from 66% in mid-December.

"These results highlight the potential need to study alternative vaccine dosing for children and the continued importance layered protections, including mask wearing, to prevent infection and transmission," the researchers said.

The vaccine was around 48% effective in keeping the younger age group out of the hospital, with 73% efficacy against hospitalization among adolescents last month, the data showed. That was down from effectiveness of 100% and 85% against hospitalization for the two age groups as of mid-December.
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The actual study is linked in the article.

 
squistion said:
The tyrants?

When you start a thread with a biased characterization like that, it impacts negatively any discussion following after that. 
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Pinkham is very passionate about this topic.  I never see him in any others.

I got Covid from my roommate in November.  He was coughing a lot when I looked at the place.  I asked if he was vaccinated and he said No, covid isn't real, he had just slept with a window open the night before.  He tested positive a few days later.  Last night he was looking at my computer, coughing on my shoulder.  Do you have covid again, I asked.  No, it was just a room he was working in the day before, he explained between coughs.  

 
Caveman33 said:
Pinkham is very passionate about this topic.  I never see him in any others.

I got Covid from my roommate in November.  He was coughing a lot when I looked at the place.  I asked if he was vaccinated and he said No, covid isn't real, he had just slept with a window open the night before.  He tested positive a few days later.  Last night he was looking at my computer, coughing on my shoulder.  Do you have covid again, I asked.  No, it was just a room he was working in the day before, he explained between coughs.  
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Bud you’ve got a roommate problem.  Roommate problems are the worst.  

 
Caveman33 said:
Pinkham is very passionate about this topic.  I never see him in any others.

I got Covid from my roommate in November.  He was coughing a lot when I looked at the place.  I asked if he was vaccinated and he said No, covid isn't real, he had just slept with a window open the night before.  He tested positive a few days later.  Last night he was looking at my computer, coughing on my shoulder.  Do you have covid again, I asked.  No, it was just a room he was working in the day before, he explained between coughs.  
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I agree with @dkp993. The fact that you got Covid sucks. The fact that your roommate is a total d-bag is a much bigger problem.

 
Witz said:
Really didn’t need yet another anti-vax thread. 

Mods - please merge with his other threads. 
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Rabid pro Trump operation warp speeders like yourself should go away on their own. This  is breaking news.

 
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For those interested in the facts of Florida.  Our mandates went away in Sept of 2020 (from the state level anyway).  Many municipalities continued to require (mandate) masks and social distancing through Sept/Oct of 2021.  Several areas have been under local mask mandates until the last few months despite the government overreach from the state telling them they couldn't do that.  They basically ignored the governor....this includes school systems.  These areas are just now lifting their restrictions.

All that said, the state of Florida has over 70K deaths from inception and we really closed the gap on states like CA and NY in terms of deaths during the Delta wave (when we had strands of the virus that were stopped by the vaccines).  Prior to that (pre vaccine) we did a pretty decent job letting local municipalities make decisions that made sense to them and protecting our seniors.  After vaccines came out, all hell broke loose and we pretty much fell in line with everyone else from the "all time" perspective.  You can look at the history at the JH site....no idea what our state site has on it these days as they were forbidden to update it for many months during the delta surge.  People like to compare NY, CA and FL.  Here you go:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/NY
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/CA

Look through those links and make sure you click the "vaccinations" tab on the chart.  It gives some context to the landscape of this state prior to and post vaccine availability.  In Florida's case, it's basically the opposite of what you'd expect.

 
This is same guy who basically laughed at another politician who was battling cancer when she requested he wear a mask in her office....this was during the time Delta was finally starting to go down a little bit here and Omicron was picking up speed.  Nor would he directly answer a good number of questions during his confirmation.

 
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There are also tons of doctors who do recommend the vaccine for children. Its funny how you listen to this guy but not the tons of other doctors who recommend the opposite. Me, personally, did not get my son the vaccine. Our doctor said we could if we wanted to but it wasnt necessary. Im so tired of hearing all the different opinions based on politics.

 
jobarules said:
There are also tons of doctors who do recommend the vaccine for children. Its funny how you listen to this guy but not the tons of other doctors who recommend the opposite. Me, personally, did not get my son the vaccine. Our doctor said we could if we wanted to but it wasnt necessary. Im so tired of hearing all the different opinions based on politics.
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Agreed.  Get the vaccine, or don't, but let's not make it into a political fight.  I can understand why healthy, young people might hesitate and why older or immuno-compromised people would be eager to get vaccinated.  It will be interesting to learn more about the vaccines in the future.  

 
dkp993 said:
Bud you’ve got a roommate problem.  Roommate problems are the worst.  
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He's alright, I've lived with much worse.  He believes in covid now.  I don't think he will ever get vaccinated but he doesn't want to get covid again.

 
Witz said:
Really didn’t need yet another anti-vax thread. 

Mods - please merge with his other threads. 
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Suggesting that a vaccine is not necessary for a particular group, which is incredibly clear in relation to Covid shots and, at a minimum, children and young adults, is not "anti-vax"

 
Sand said:
Whether it was advantageous to get my child the vaccine or not.  For a normal weight, ridiculously healthy 16 year old that isn't a slam dunk decision.
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how many healthy 16 year old have died of covid ?

honest question 

 
Dont even have to look at the links. Since the only vaccine approved for 5 thru 11 is a whopping 12% effective after just a single month it's not even worth the time.  

 
Stealthycat said:
how many healthy 16 year old have died of covid ?

honest question 
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Probably not many, but death isn’t the only negative outcome. There is an unvaccinated local kid who had potential to get a college scholarship for baseball, but he got Covid 8 months ago and is still dealing with respiratory problems to the point that he can’t even play his senior year. 

 
Dickies said:
Probably not many, but death isn’t the only negative outcome. There is an unvaccinated local kid who had potential to get a college scholarship for baseball, but he got Covid 8 months ago and is still dealing with respiratory problems to the point that he can’t even play his senior year. 
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How many healthy 16 year olds have had a serious negative outcome?

I mean we can play this anecdotal game with food allergies.  Drowning.  Walking to school.

 
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matuski said:
How many healthy 16 year olds have had a serious negative outcome?

I mean we can play this anecdotal game with food allergies.  Drowning.  Walking to school.
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Is there a vaccine that helps with drowning?  Getting hit by a car? 

 
Dickies said:
Probably not many, but death isn’t the only negative outcome. There is an unvaccinated local kid who had potential to get a college scholarship for baseball, but he got Covid 8 months ago and is still dealing with respiratory problems to the point that he can’t even play his senior year. 
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Ok it's still extremely rare

 
Dickies said:
Probably not many, but death isn’t the only negative outcome. There is an unvaccinated local kid who had potential to get a college scholarship for baseball, but he got Covid 8 months ago and is still dealing with respiratory problems to the point that he can’t even play his senior year. 
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but the shots don't keep people from getting covid 

 
PhillipPhoto said:
Dont even have to look at the links. Since the only vaccine approved for 5 thru 11 is a whopping 12% effective after just a single month it's not even worth the time.  
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It's utter nonsense.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize it's a bad idea to give healthy small children the jab (& LOL at anyone butthurt by the word 'jab', haha).

 
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