Insein
Footballguy
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/flu-making-comeback-us-unusual-year-off-81961642
Guess the flu needed a vacation after last year too.
Guess the flu needed a vacation after last year too.
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Flu Makes a Comeback After an Unusual Season Off (1 Viewer)
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
2021 = non election year
GoBirds
Footballguy
My son got put down hard by Flu A for a week plus. We thought it was Covid but that came back negative, flu positive.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Do you think doctors were influenced by the election as far as diagnosis of the flu?
Or perhaps a ton of kids virtual, people making and distancing, less travel, movies closed and so on…do you think that had something to do with it? Also more vaccinated for the flu than before also a rise this year I believe)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-supply-historical.htm
Not everything is political.
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Insein
Footballguy
Possibly but not for the flu to completely disappear for a year. And if these measures were all we needed, why didn't we ever try them before? Why are they not working this year?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because people aren’t masking as much, going out more, schools in session in person, less distancing…movies and concerts and sporting events with fans? Less work from home more back jn an office setting.
Probably why alot is not working quite the same…because peoples aren’t acting the same.
Flu definitely decreased due to all of the precautions taken for COVID (social distancing, less mass gatherings, wearing masks, etc.)
To say otherwise is just silly and plain wrong.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
ITs right in the link:
Last year's flu season was the lowest on record, likely because COVID-19 measures — school closures, distancing, masks and canceled travel — prevented the spread of influenza, or because the coronavirus somehow pushed aside other viruses.
Let's not make this yet another conspiracy.
Last year's flu season was the lowest on record, likely because COVID-19 measures — school closures, distancing, masks and canceled travel — prevented the spread of influenza, or because the coronavirus somehow pushed aside other viruses.
Let's not make this yet another conspiracy.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
My daughter too. 3 negative covid tests. Been sick for a week. Dr. didn't have any flu tests left yesterday. Treating it like the flu.
The General
Footballguy
Yep. We were all locked away. This seems obvious.ITs right in the link:
Last year's flu season was the lowest on record, likely because COVID-19 measures — school closures, distancing, masks and canceled travel — prevented the spread of influenza, or because the coronavirus somehow pushed aside other viruses.
Let's not make this yet another conspiracy.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
It was even commented on last year about it being one of the side benefits of masking and social distancing. It's no surprise the number of flu cases is returning to normal now that most of the restrictions have been lifted or ignored.
Insein
Footballguy
My kids were in school last year during the winter. Most were around the country. Some places were remote sure. Plus not everyone wore masks or at least that's what people told us for why the virus continued to spread.ITs right in the link:
Last year's flu season was the lowest on record, likely because COVID-19 measures — school closures, distancing, masks and canceled travel — prevented the spread of influenza, or because the coronavirus somehow pushed aside other viruses.
Let's not make this yet another conspiracy.
I think that's an easy reason that most people will buy but for the flu to just disappear for an entire year during "the worst pandemic in human history" seems a bit shortsighted. Why did the masks and social distancing completely eliminate the flu but not Covid? Why didn't we ever use these methods before if they were so effective? Why are we not doing them again for the flu if they were so effective? If they clearly worked why aren't politicians screaming from the mountain tops at the absolute win their lockdowns had?
People accept a reason presented to them because they don't want to believe the alternative.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Hope she feels better buddy. Ours has his energy back but congestion sounds awful still.
You can't reconcile the disappearance of flu numbers with the explosion of covid numbers at the exact same time. Either social distancing works or it doesn't. HTH.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I guess if you are in the sizable part of the populace that do not believe these COVID measures work you also need some alternate theory to explain the fluITs right in the link:
Last year's flu season was the lowest on record, likely because COVID-19 measures — school closures, distancing, masks and canceled travel — prevented the spread of influenza, or because the coronavirus somehow pushed aside other viruses.
Let's not make this yet another conspiracy.
Herb
Footballguy
Because...you see how well these measures went over during a pandemic so you have to think any sort of societal acceptance for the implementation of those mitigation measures would be non-existent for the regular flu season. Never happen cuz people are naturally selfish, imo.
Insein
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Travel, schools, concerts, sporting events, bars, etc. All significantly up this year over last year.We weren't all locked away. And waaaaay too much credit to masks.
Or we believe some other budding conspiracy theory.
Insein
Footballguy
That someone is playing with Covid numbers because Covid cases received additional funds from the government.
Never let a perfectly reasonable explanation get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Insein
Footballguy
Yes because "conspiracy theories" haven't been coming true too much the last 12 months or so.
Insein
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
People are moving around the country, their neighborhoods, other people at a much, much greater rate this year than last. That means more passing of viruses.
Insein
Footballguy
It's not critical thinking to believe conspiracy theories. Put together your evidence and let us actually think about it.
Insein
Footballguy
"The final national data on flu season is released annually in April by the CDC .
Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:
39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths
Between October 1, 2020 and April 1, 2021, the flu resulted in:
1,675 illnesses
224 hospitalizations
Unknown number of deaths
One pediatric death"
https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2021/11/flu-season-2021
Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:
39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths
Between October 1, 2020 and April 1, 2021, the flu resulted in:
1,675 illnesses
224 hospitalizations
Unknown number of deaths
One pediatric death"
https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2021/11/flu-season-2021
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Transmission
The speed of transmission is a major point of difference between the two viruses. In general, the flu has a shorter incubation period (the time from infection to appearance of symptoms) with an average of 2 days. Recent research shows that COVID-19, however, has an incubation period of around 5 days but can be anywhere from 1-14 days.
According to data from China, experts estimate that each person infected with the novel coronavirus infects between 2-3 others, which is twice as high as the seasonal flu. It’s also important for people to keep in mind – especially those who are young and healthy – that the coronavirus can be transmitted to others even if you are not presenting any symptoms.
https://www.tuftsmedicalcenter.org/news-events-media/news/web/covid-19/covid-19-vs-flu
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
It’s pretty obvious common flu numbers were commingled with Covid numbers in 2020.
Those are certainly interesting numbers. Question: Do you think they were faking the test numbers? Or why do you think the positive test percentage was so much lower?
"During September 28, 2020–May 22, 2021 in the United States, 1,675 (0.2%) of 818,939 respiratory specimens tested by U.S. clinical laboratories were positive for an influenza virus. The low level of flu activity during this past season contributed to dramatically fewer flu illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths compared with previous flu seasons. For comparison, during the last three seasons before the pandemic, the proportion of respiratory specimens testing positive for influenza peaked between 26.2% and 30.3%."
We implemented the measures and they worked to some degree with covid when practiced with vigilance and they were even more effective against the common flu: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/a-sharp-drop-in-flu-cases-during-covid-19-pandemic/
The General
Footballguy
Covid transmission "twice as high as the seasonal flu" isn't enough to explain the numbers. -> The complete disappearance of the flu during the same time period that covid cases reached record numbers.
Insein
Footballguy
They didn't really work against Covid but if these numbers are to be believed, they all but eliminated the Flu. I would think that would be an incredible argument to implement these measures permanently to eliminate the approx 650k hospitalizations and 50k deaths a year people suffer from the flu. If it saves one life and stops hospitals from being overwhelmed right? Why are our leaders not shouting this from on high?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Because a third of the country will not comply and many of them compare these measures to Nazi Germany. Government leaders are still recommending masking and social distancing. People won't take these measures for something much more deadly so why are they going to do it for a measly 50k lives?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
They wouldn't do it for Covid because it was having no affect. If they showed these incredible numbers of the flu, people might consider it. After all everyone was following the procedures the whole time and the flu went away completely.
Good luck tilting at the windmills. I'll let you persuade Tonydead to wear a mask against the flu after which I will support your call for elected leaders to mandate the same.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
The assertions that it was having no effect and that everyone was following the mitigation procedures are both false
Insein
Footballguy
So not all the people were following the procedures but the flu disappeared.
And Covid was affected by the people following the procedures but have more cases and deaths this year than last with vaccines.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/huge-cdc-withdraws-use-pcr-test-covid-finally-admits-test-can-not-differentiate-flu-covid-virus/
End of thread.
Common flu was around but categorized as Covid.
