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Foodapalooza - the longest food draft of all time - The beef finally arrives in rounds 51 & 52 (1 Viewer)

My Round 2 selection is brought to you by Breville, makers of the Breville Barista Express, one of my more indulgent purchases for pandemic work-at-home comfort.

Hot Non-Alcoholic Beverage: Cappuccino 

You probably know a lot of people who took the pandemic to learn a new language or musical instrument or get in shape or start a podcast.  I learned that drawing latte art that resembles human genitalia is a lot more difficult for me than I feel it should be.

So, cappuccino.  

Like many Breville users, my rationalization that making good espresso drinks at home would long run save a lot of money and time versus making Starbucks or Caribou runs every day.  In practice, it’s given me expensive taste in espresso beans.  

 
Call me basic if you must for loving a classic.  I call it delicious.

Round 3 Lamb: Lamb Rogan Josh

I don’t cook a lot of Indian food at home.  There’s a significant Indian population in my area so we have good neighborhood places.  And I’ve had the good fortune to dine at a few famous Indian places in big cities known for this cuisine.  So of course I’m going to talk about a place in a small village in Portugal.

From my travel notes from the day:

”We were weary from a travel day that started in Seville and finished without reliable maps or directions to our villa in Salema.  The restaurant we intended to try by the beach in Salema decided the take the night off.  So we ran a search of nearby restaurants and thought the Spice Cottage a few minutes away might work.”

So that’s how we stumbled upon a fantastic Indian restaurant in the Algarve.  Thank you, Spice Cottage, for being open until 11:00pm that night and for having front of the house staff who spoke English.  The lamb in your rogan josh was fall-apart tender and the sauce had a ton of flavor with just a little heat.  And I don’t hold it against you for seating is next to a retired couple from Cornwall who were several drinks in with their dinner and just a little too eager to ask the family of Americans next to them about Donald Trump.  

 
Ilov80s said:
Anyone have a recommendation for a really good NC style pulled pork? What are the must have spots? 
The BBQ place listed in Anthony Bourdain’s “13 Places To Eat Before You Die” is Joe’s KC BBQ (formerly known as Oklahoma Joe’s) in Kansas City.  Bourdain highlights a different sandwich on their menu in his essay, but their Carolina style pulled pork sandwich is also spectacular.  The restaurant serves a creamy coleslaw as a side dish, but also makes a spicy, vinegary slaw they use on the Carolina.  The BBQ sauce is on the side for this one, up to you if it needs it.  I don’t think it also needs BBQ sauce, maybe out a dollop on the plate and dip into it when ready to take a bite.

 
Motion to split seafood into fish and shellfish and to expand chicken (the most boring of meats) to encompass all poultry.
I'm going to be choosing the least boring chicken dish ever.  I'm pretty sure you would love it if you come to visit.  But I can't draft out of turn.  I believe it's frowned upon.

 
Steve Tasker said:
3rd Round - Iskender kebab (Dinner - lamb)

There's a story behind this one.  My uncle, a lifelong bachelor who everyone assumed would never marry, finally did, sometime around 2012 or so.  His wife, now my aunt, is a lovely Turkish woman, about 15 years his junior and only like 4-5 years older than me.  While they had been legally married in the US, it was important to her to have a traditional Turkish ceremony back home.  So that's how my family, plus my aunt and a couple of cousins, ended up in Central Turkey, in the industrial city of Kayseri, for a few days.

I don't know if anyone here has been to Turkey.  It's a great country, the nicest people, unbelievable historical sites, the Blue Mosque is the most beautiful building I've ever seen.  Anyway, most tourists never go east past Istanbul, or maybe the resort cities like Izmir on the Mediterranean coast.  Kayseri, in contrast, is very much not a tourist town.  Think of a mid-sized US grimy manufacturing city, and then add a splash of very conservative Islam.

The first day we're there - literally our first day in the country and my first ever setting foot in Asia - it's just a whirlwind.  Totally and completely foreign to anything I'd ever experienced.  My aunt's parents are amazing hosts - they're so happy that their daughter is getting married, and so happy that my uncle has had family coming all the way from America for the ceremony.  They insist that we must go out for a nice dinner.  So we do, to Elmacioglu, which is apparently one of the finest restaurants in all of Kayseri.

We get there, it's a nice place, white-glove waiters, basically just looks like a giant ballroom.  The only problem is that the menu is entirely in Turkish.  And the only person in the place who seems to speak both English and Turkish is my aunt.  She attempts to decipher the menu but it's chaos, there's like 10 of us at the table, just all over the place.  My brother and I settle on Iskender kebobs.  I have no idea what I've just ordered but the waiter seems to approve.

A few minutes later, the plates come out.....and I'm greeted with a dinner plate the size of my head, piled high with like 2 pounds of thinly sliced lamb, well-seasoned but not spicy, in a delicious tomato-based sauce.  A couple pieces of roasted tomato and peppers, a corner of the plate devoted to yogurt, and a pita.  I know I've made the right decision.  I'm about to dive in...until....

The waiter comes over, super fancy, white gloves, and he's got what appears to be a gravy boat.  In America, they'll come to your table and freshly crack pepper for you.  But in Turkey, when you order an Iskender kebab, they're coming with a gravy boat full of ####### melted butter.  And they're gonna pour it all over that lamb until you tell them to stop, until the lamb is drowning in a butter and tomato sauce.

I'm not going to say it's the best meal of my life, that would be a lie.  But it is probably the single most memorable meal of my life.  And for that reason, I have to pick it here.


aaaah, tourist food. pretty impressive tourist, tho. Iskender is a word you see a lot in Turkey, Iraq & Iran, because it's their reference to Alexander the Great - the original tourist, in their minds. dismemberment & enslavement instead of ballcap & jorts, but still a tourist.

i got nearly as far into Turkey as Kyaseri in the early 90s. We engaged a driver in Kusadasi (Ephesus) to take us a few miles inland to see some famous springs and he kept saying "you gotta see this, you gotta see that" until we were almost two weeks gone (my Mary got letters from him the rest of her life). tremendous, dramatic, humble folk, the Turks. our sojourn was made easier and harder because my wife, a 6ft+ blonde, was treated like either a holy relic or demon's curse wherever we went. probably my favorite trip of all time.

 
i got nearly as far into Turkey as Kyaseri in the early 90s. We engaged a driver in Kusadasi (Ephesus) to take us a few miles inland to see some famous springs and he kept saying "you gotta see this, you gotta see that" until we were almost two weeks gone (my Mary got letters from him the rest of her life). tremendous, dramatic, humble folk, the Turks. our sojourn was made easier and harder because my wife, a 6ft+ blonde, was treated like either a holy relic or demon's curse wherever we went. probably my favorite trip of all time.
We went to Kusadasi during our trip as well.  Were the springs you're referring to Pamukkale?  A bizarre and beautiful sight.

At one point in Kayseri, we spent a few hours at a shopping mall to beat the 95 degree heat.  My sister and girlfriend, as people tend to do, were wearing shorts because it was so hot out.  Normal American garb.  The entire mall trip consisted of men looking like this and women looking like this.

Also had a good chuckle when we got to the Blue Mosque.  Women needed to cover their arms, legs, and head in order to enter.  They give you temporary items outside the door, so you can cover yourself temporarily to enter.  All the women in our group have to go through the ordeal, getting covered from head to toe.  We walk in, beautiful place, and right in front of us is a tourist man wearing jorts and a Larry Bird Celtics jersey.  It's a whole different world over there.

 
Yes, I was strongly considering Lamb Rogan Josh or Lamb Korma for my lamb double-up (because I'm too big a spice ##### for Vindaloo).

Instead, I'll pick another ethnic cuisine.  And this is also hot, but tempered in a way.

4.x --  Uyghur Lamb Stir Fried Laghman (noodles)  --

In the past decade, there has been a mini explosion of Uyghur recipes in the DC area.  And I love them, as you can get a weird cross between middle eastern and Chinese cuisines.  A Uyghur lamb pilaf will lean more toward the Turkish side of things.  Laghman, however, definitely feels more Chinese with its incorporation of Sichuan peppercorns (while still having lots of yummy cumin on the lamb).  This is a spicy dish, and as I've said, I'm not a super manly Spice Guy.  But I've found that I can handle some spice when it's added with the numbing properties of Sichuan peppercorns.  

Laghman noodles have a lot of the same properties I love in Udon.  They're not doughy, but they have that chew to them that I love.  The end result is that this is a dish that I can slurp up in seeming record time.  Spicy, numbing, intensely flavorful.  Because of the shingles infection in my ear, my salivary glands are seemingly hard wired to my teat ducts, so I have tears when I eat really savory food.  So it looks like I'm weeping with joy as I Hoover these suckers down.

Because this really isn't my wife's jam (and my kids would never touch it), I get these primarily as a Happy Hour snack.

https://www.dolanuyghur.com/happy-hour-menu

 
Yes, I was strongly considering Lamb Rogan Josh or Lamb Korma for my lamb double-up (because I'm too big a spice ##### for Vindaloo).

Instead, I'll pick another ethnic cuisine.  And this is also hot, but tempered in a way.

4.x --  Uyghur Lamb Stir Fried Laghman (noodles)  --

In the past decade, there has been a mini explosion of Uyghur recipes in the DC area.  And I love them, as you can get a weird cross between middle eastern and Chinese cuisines.  A Uyghur lamb pilaf will lean more toward the Turkish side of things.  Laghman, however, definitely feels more Chinese with its incorporation of Sichuan peppercorns (while still having lots of yummy cumin on the lamb).  This is a spicy dish, and as I've said, I'm not a super manly Spice Guy.  But I've found that I can handle some spice when it's added with the numbing properties of Sichuan peppercorns.  

Laghman noodles have a lot of the same properties I love in Udon.  They're not doughy, but they have that chew to them that I love.  The end result is that this is a dish that I can slurp up in seeming record time.  Spicy, numbing, intensely flavorful.  Because of the shingles infection in my ear, my salivary glands are seemingly hard wired to my teat ducts, so I have tears when I eat really savory food.  So it looks like I'm weeping with joy as I Hoover these suckers down.

Because this really isn't my wife's jam (and my kids would never touch it), I get these primarily as a Happy Hour snack.

https://www.dolanuyghur.com/happy-hour-menu
Wow.  I’ve never had this, and it sounds amazing.

Looking at that menu made me wonder…do we have a bread category?

 
My Round 2 selection is brought to you by Breville, makers of the Breville Barista Express, one of my more indulgent purchases for pandemic work-at-home comfort.

Hot Non-Alcoholic Beverage: Cappuccino 

You probably know a lot of people who took the pandemic to learn a new language or musical instrument or get in shape or start a podcast.  I learned that drawing latte art that resembles human genitalia is a lot more difficult for me than I feel it should be.

So, cappuccino.  

Like many Breville users, my rationalization that making good espresso drinks at home would long run save a lot of money and time versus making Starbucks or Caribou runs every day.  In practice, it’s given me expensive taste in espresso beans.  
we have had ours for 15 years 

 
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The BBQ place listed in Anthony Bourdain’s “13 Places To Eat Before You Die” is Joe’s KC BBQ (formerly known as Oklahoma Joe’s) in Kansas City.  Bourdain highlights a different sandwich on their menu in his essay, but their Carolina style pulled pork sandwich is also spectacular.  The restaurant serves a creamy coleslaw as a side dish, but also makes a spicy, vinegary slaw they use on the Carolina.  The BBQ sauce is on the side for this one, up to you if it needs it.  I don’t think it also needs BBQ sauce, maybe out a dollop on the plate and dip into it when ready to take a bite.
The spicy vinegary slaw you speak of is called red slaw. It is great with BBQ. NC has two types of BBQ, and those are Eastern style and Western style aka Lexington style.

Eastern style uses the whole hog, and a spicy vinegar sauce that has red pepper flakes or some type of pepper in it to give it a bit of a kick. The slaw that comes with it is sweet and creamy. It is served chopped on a sandwich, or you can get a chopped plate.

Western style uses the shoulder of the hog. The sauce has vinegar, tomatoes (or ketchup), and some type of pepper in it, and some can have a little sugar in it as well depending on their recipe.  The main difference between the Western and Eastern sauce is Western has a tomato base in theirs. Red slaw usually comes with it. It is served sliced or chopped on a sandwich, or you can get a chopped plate. 

Both styles of BBQ are great, and are slowly cooked over hardwood. What sides you can get with it depends on what establishment you are at.

 
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All the lamb dishes I've had have been taken and don't really have a favorite spice so candy it is. This would be my 1:1 in a candy only draft .

Round 3 

candy- Reese's Peanut butter cups

 
All the lamb dishes I've had have been taken and don't really have a favorite spice so candy it is. This would be my 1:1 in a candy only draft .

Round 3 

candy- Reese's Peanut butter cups


you can barrow one i didn't use.... i used to make a lamb french dip with lemon aioli, and rosemary lamb au jus

 
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Was going to be my next pick.  Though not from Portugal. ;)  
That Cornwall couple I referenced earlier called Algarve “English Florida” because it’s an affordable coastal retirement option and a 3-hour flight from Heathrow.  Perhaps some of the Indian restauranteurs of London followed their customers there? I have no idea.

The most famous Indian restaurant I’ve eaten at is probably Rasika in DC, but my wife and I didn’t have rogan josh there and I don’t recall if they even have it on the menu or not.  But what we did have was spectacular, every bite, worthy of its reputation.

 
That Cornwall couple I referenced earlier called Algarve “English Florida” because it’s an affordable coastal retirement option and a 3-hour flight from Heathrow.  Perhaps some of the Indian restauranteurs of London followed their customers there? I have no idea.

The most famous Indian restaurant I’ve eaten at is probably Rasika in DC, but my wife and I didn’t have rogan josh there and I don’t recall if they even have it on the menu or not.  But what we did have was spectacular, every bite, worthy of its reputation.


I've been to Rasika and agree it's spectacular.  I doubt that they have rogan josh on there but could be wrong.

The best and most famous Indian restaurant I've eaten at is...well, in India:  Bukhara.

 
No particular range. I am not necessarily planning a trip but just nice to have some names for reference if I do find myself traveling. 


Cool. In my opinion, hands down the best is Skylight Inn in Ayden NC. https://www.skylightinnbbq.com/

Truly good pork BBQ is serious business.

I'm a big believer that people should eat what they like and what tastes good to them. "Authenticity" can be a problematic word in things like BBQ. I personally am a purist for real BBQ and love it. But I get many (most?) are not. Some places get famous putting cheese on BBQ on a brioche bun. That's not me.

So if you want what in my opinion, is the best Pork BBQ, it's the sandwich at Skylight. If you go, swing through Knoxville and I'll go with you. 

 
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Our Breville usage involves the Smart Oven Pro.  That thing is worth its weight in gold.  We love it.  Recommended.
Haven’t used the Smart Oven Pro, but my experience with Breville products is that is 5 stars and worth its weight in gold.  Bookmarking that, if we move in the next couple years I will use the move as an excuse to get one.
Was late on switching to a stand mixer because I liked our Breville handheld mixer so much.  When my wife brought it home, I mocked the stopwatch on it as overkill, and then kept an eye on the stopwatch pretty much every time I used it.

 
Round 4 - candy - Frozen Snickers at a non-air conditioned cabin in August

To be clear, not a Snickers ice cream bar. A regular snickers purchased from the beach concession stand with quarters from your grandpa and put in the cabin freezer on a 95 degree day. The waiting is the hardest part. 

 
Round 4 - candy - Frozen Snickers at a non-air conditioned cabin in August

To be clear, not a Snickers ice cream bar. A regular snickers purchased from the beach concession stand with quarters from your grandpa and put in the cabin freezer on a 95 degree day. The waiting is the hardest part. 


To be eaten with a fork and knife?

 
Round 4 - candy - Frozen Snickers at a non-air conditioned cabin in August

To be clear, not a Snickers ice cream bar. A regular snickers purchased from the beach concession stand with quarters from your grandpa and put in the cabin freezer on a 95 degree day. The waiting is the hardest part. 
After reviewing your first four picks… I accept your gods and wish to join you in your quest. 
My daughter’s favorite candy is a Halloween size Milky Way that’s been in the freezer overnight.  Make the weather 95 degrees and add a grandparent and you’ve elevated it two ways.

 
Lovely.  Saw this and immediately flashed to a Gyro place on State Street in Madison we would hit up after some bars or house parties while visiting friends and family there during their college years.  Wasn’t quite classy enough to be a food truck, but similar experience.


Go Badgers :hifive:

 
Ilov80s said:
Welcome to Dearborn, Shawarma Country. 
Never really go to Dearborn for anything other than Greenfield Village/Ford museum. Best shawarma I've had is from Buccharest(sp?) Grill. Prefer the chicken because they are like twice the size for the same price but the lamb are great also 

 
4.xx - Xinjiang Cumin Lamb (孜然羊肉)

I'll take a twofer on a lamb dish that's heavy on my favorite spice. The combination of cumin, garlic, Sichuan pepper and cilantro accentuate the natural flavors of the meat in this fragrant and fiery delight.

I always order it when we go to the only halal Chinese place in SF but it's a very simple recipe to make at home. I like to use a combination of cumin powder and whole cumin seeds to give it even more cumin flavor

 
Never really go to Dearborn for anything other than Greenfield Village/Ford museum. Best shawarma I've had is from Buccharest(sp?) Grill. Prefer the chicken because they are like twice the size for the same price but the lamb are great also 
Check out Dearborn Meat Market sometime. Absolutely incredible stuff. 

 
4.xx - Xinjiang Cumin Lamb (孜然羊肉)

I'll take a twofer on a lamb dish that's heavy on my favorite spice. The combination of cumin, garlic, Sichuan pepper and cilantro accentuate the natural flavors of the meat in this fragrant and fiery delight.

I always order it when we go to the only halal Chinese place in SF but it's a very simple recipe to make at home. I like to use a combination of cumin powder and whole cumin seeds to give it even more cumin flavor
I’ve been in the cumin fan club for a long time but I’ve never used whole cumin seeds in home cooking.  This idea intrigues me.

And the dish you’re describing?  If I ever went to the restaurant you’re talking about, I wouldn’t need to see the full menu.  I’d just order that and let happiness ensue.

 
General Malaise said:
Round 3 - Spice - Smoked (Spanish) Paprika

This - this spice....this wonderful, magical, elegant, unique, exquisite spice is what propels any dry rub concoction I mix from mundane to magnifique.  It powers my soups up a level. It separates my chili from others.  It is rug that ties the whole room together.  

I could have gone with a number of spices here, but my loyalty is with this red dust that smells like paradise and tastes like success.


i was disappointed when pimenton became the first spice off the board  - no matter how deservedly so -cuz i have a cooking story about it, but i can kinda do it with my 2nd choice:

Rd 4 - Spice - Cumin

several yrs ago, i was told my mother was dying and was driving herself mad - her special majesty - with fear of being put in a nursing home. the fact that i never liked her, never let my life anywhere near her clutches, did not effect that she had been a devoted mother thruout my childhood and deserved to suffer as little as i could ensure at the end. turns out she had a turnaround and lived another 6 yrs and now my father is too old to be left alone so....careful what you promise........

nonetheless, besides the nursing, i found myself putting meals on the table for others (no way i could keep the same eating sched they had) for the first time in my life. i HATE preparing meals that take more than a half hour but found quick-saute ways to provide most of their favorites.

my biggest challenge was spice. diabetes was killing me Da's taste buds just as me Ma's Irish sensors became ever more unforgiving of any kind of flavor (and she was a spitter if there was one too many flake of pepper). after many trials i found culinary detente with two spices - smoked paprika and fresh ground cumin. almost every of my recipes featured them and passed muster without passing the mustard.

i always make the distinction and always will with cumin. if you've only had cumin from a jar, you aint had cumin. mine dont sit longer than a week (and i'm not generally a fussy guy). i toast/grind a new batch. matter of fact, i got in this discussion with a forumster who didnt see the dif, so i bought a jar to test on Mama Bland - she pteh-pteh-pfpfpfpfpffffft preparations she'd yummied over with fresh cumin like it was Gerber's Creamed Sphincter.

both my new favorite spices so round, so bright, so uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumami, mommy. nufced

 
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4.xx - Xinjiang Cumin Lamb (孜然羊肉)

I'll take a twofer on a lamb dish that's heavy on my favorite spice. The combination of cumin, garlic, Sichuan pepper and cilantro accentuate the natural flavors of the meat in this fragrant and fiery delight.

I always order it when we go to the only halal Chinese place in SF but it's a very simple recipe to make at home. I like to use a combination of cumin powder and whole cumin seeds to give it even more cumin flavor
dang. stole my thunder while i was writing my thang up

ETA: but, if cumin seeds arent big enough, their flavor is so to allow multiple brags. better than being sniped...

 
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I’ve been in the cumin fan club for a long time but I’ve never used whole cumin seeds in home cooking.  This idea intrigues me.


A lot of Indian recipes use whole spices.  Little seeds like cumin and mustard become part of the dish.  If I have time I'll try to fish out the tougher ones like cardamom pods and cloves but usually I'll just warn my family to look out for them.

 
Damn, was going to do a wild boar ragu for pork tomorrow.  Now seems too same-y.  Nice pick.
Thanks. I think had it maybe a decade ago at a Michael Symon restaurant. It was so good, I made reservations for the next weekend to come back and order it again. 

 
A lot of Indian recipes use whole spices.  Little seeds like cumin and mustard become part of the dish.  If I have time I'll try to fish out the tougher ones like cardamom pods and cloves but usually I'll just warn my family to look out for them.


Karma bites.

I bit into a star anise pod today while finishing off the leftovers of the no spotlighting braised pork I made the other day.

 

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