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Football Mags pick Division & Super Bowl Winners (1 Viewer)

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Saw an article in USA Today where they went through each NFL Presason Mag and listed who their picks were for the Super Bowl as well as Division Winners:

USA Today Article on NFL Preseason Mags

Five magazines were used here: Athlon, Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Lindy's and Pro Football Weekly

Here are the picks (I'll list each division and who picked who): I'll buy a coke for the first guy that can spot the pattern.

NFC East: Cowboys (Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Athlon), Eagles(Lindy's), Redskins (Pro Football Weekly)

NFC North: Bears (Unanimous Pick)

NFC South: Panthers (Unanimous Pick)

NFC West: Seahawks(Unanimous Pick)

AFC East: Patriots(Unanimous Pick)

AFC North: Steelers(Unanimous Pick)

AFC South: Colts (Unanimous Pick)

AFC West: Broncos(Unanimous Pick)

Super Bowl Picks

Athlon: Indianapolis defeats Carolina.

Lindy's: Carolina defeats Denver.

ProFootball Weekly: Carolina defeats Indianapolis.

Sporting News: Pittsburgh defeats Carolina.

Street & Smith's: Carolina defeats Denver.

I thought magazines were in the business of making outlandish predictions in order to generate buzz? I guess not. These predictions look like they were made by consulting last year's final standing.....

So if the mags are all going to pick the same teams, let me pose this question: what are they all getting wrong? Which of these picks are we going to look back on in January and shake our heads?

The unanimous Steelers pick looks like a bad one now, but when these mags went to press Big Ben had a mouth full of teeth and Santonio Holmes wasn't being mentioned in the same breath as Chris Henry.

I'm going to say the unanimous pick of the Colts will turn out to be a bad one. I think they'll still be quite good, but will take a step back with the loss of James. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Jags step up and win that division.....

 
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I think the Bears, Broncos and Seahawks are all picks that aren't going to be there.

Oh and the Giants are going to win the East.

 
Saw an article in USA Today where they went through each NFL Presason Mag and listed who their picks were for the Super Bowl as well as Division Winners:

USA Today Article on NFL Preseason Mags

Five magazines were used here: Athlon, Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Lindy's and Pro Football Weekly

Here are the picks (I'll list each division and who picked who): I'll buy a coke for the first guy that can spot the pattern.

NFC East: Cowboys (Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Athlon), Eagles(Lindy's), Redskins (Pro Football Weekly)

NFC North: Bears (Unanimous Pick)

NFC South: Panthers (Unanimous Pick)

NFC West: Seahawks(Unanimous Pick)

AFC East: Patriots(Unanimous Pick)

AFC North: Steelers(Unanimous Pick)

AFC South: Colts (Unanimous Pick)

AFC West: Broncos(Unanimous Pick)

Super Bowl Picks

Athlon: Indianapolis defeats Carolina.

Lindy's: Carolina defeats Denver.

ProFootball Weekly: Carolina defeats Indianapolis.

Sporting News: Pittsburgh defeats Carolina.

Street & Smith's: Carolina defeats Denver.

I thought magazines were in the business of making outlandish predictions in order to generate buzz? I guess not. These predictions look like they were made by consulting last year's final standing.....

So if the mags are all going to pick the same teams, let me pose this question: what are they all getting wrong? Which of these picks are we going to look back on in January and shake our heads?

The unanimous Steelers pick looks like a bad one now, but when these mags went to press Big Ben had a mouth full of teeth and Santonio Holmes wasn't being mentioned in the same breath as Chris Henry.

I'm going to say the unanimous pick of the Colts will turn out to be a bad one. I think they'll still be quite good, but will take a step back with the loss of James. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Jags step up and win that division.....
All 5 mags have the Panthers as NFC champs. Hmmmm.
 
Saw an article in USA Today where they went through each NFL Presason Mag and listed who their picks were for the Super Bowl as well as Division Winners:

USA Today Article on NFL Preseason Mags

Five magazines were used here: Athlon, Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Lindy's and Pro Football Weekly

Here are the picks (I'll list each division and who picked who): I'll buy a coke for the first guy that can spot the pattern.

NFC East: Cowboys (Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Athlon), Eagles(Lindy's), Redskins (Pro Football Weekly)

NFC North: Bears (Unanimous Pick)

NFC South: Panthers (Unanimous Pick)

NFC West: Seahawks(Unanimous Pick)

AFC East: Patriots(Unanimous Pick)

AFC North: Steelers(Unanimous Pick)

AFC South: Colts (Unanimous Pick)

AFC West: Broncos(Unanimous Pick)

Super Bowl Picks

Athlon: Indianapolis defeats Carolina.

Lindy's: Carolina defeats Denver.

ProFootball Weekly: Carolina defeats Indianapolis.

Sporting News: Pittsburgh defeats Carolina.

Street & Smith's: Carolina defeats Denver.

I thought magazines were in the business of making outlandish predictions in order to generate buzz? I guess not. These predictions look like they were made by consulting last year's final standing.....

So if the mags are all going to pick the same teams, let me pose this question: what are they all getting wrong? Which of these picks are we going to look back on in January and shake our heads?

The unanimous Steelers pick looks like a bad one now, but when these mags went to press Big Ben had a mouth full of teeth and Santonio Holmes wasn't being mentioned in the same breath as Chris Henry.

I'm going to say the unanimous pick of the Colts will turn out to be a bad one. I think they'll still be quite good, but will take a step back with the loss of James. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Jags step up and win that division.....
All 5 mags have the Panthers as NFC champs. Hmmmm.
Yeah that was the theme of the article in the USA Today (As opposed to: "Sports writers have no imagination. All pick same teams.") From the article:
One would think the Carolina Panthers would be flattered about the raves they're receiving from five of the more established NFL preseason magazines that already have their picks in place.

After all, all five have the Panthers reaching the Super Bowl, and three have them winning it.

But based on last season's Roman numeral picks from the Big Five, perhaps Carolina should be wary.

Not one publication correctly predicted the Pittsburgh Steelers would beat the Seattle Seahawks in Super Bowl XL. For that matter, the Steelers were shut out while the Seahawks gained but one nod, albeit in a losing cause.
 
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5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2005 also made it in 2004.

7 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2004 also made it in 2003.

5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2003 also made it in 2002.

Etc.

History suggests that no more than about half of last year's playoff teams will be back again this year. Furthermore, if you look at division champions, the picture is even more bleak.

3 of the division champions in 2005 were also division champions in 2004.

4 of the division champions in 2004 were also division champions in 2003.

2 of the division champions in 2003 were also division champions in 2002.

History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat, and 2 or 3 times will a Division Champion become a wildcard, or a wildcard become a Division Champion.

Armed with this knowledge, I predict the following:

Denver, Chicago, and Seattle will repeat as division champions. The New York Giants and Indianapolis Colts will go from division champion to wildcard. The Jacksonville Jaguars and Carolina Panthers will go from wildcard to division champion. The Buffalo Bills, Dallas Cowboys, and Baltimore Ravens will go from out of the playoffs to Division Champion.

Final projections

AFC West- Denver

AFC North- Baltimore

AFC East- Buffalo

AFC South- Jacksonville

AFC Wildcard- Indianapolis

AFC Wildcard- Kansas City

NFC West- Seattle

NFC North- Chicago

NFC East- Dallas

NFC South- Carolina

NFC Wildcard- New York

NFC Wildcard- St. Louis

I know some of these predictions seem pretty far-fetched, but the reality is that the NFL produces a heckuvalot of previously far-fetched results. I guarantee you that these predictions are far more likely to come true than those of the Major Publications.

For fun, I predict Denver over Chicago in the superbowl.

 
5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2005 also made it in 2004.

7 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2004 also made it in 2003.

5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2003 also made it in 2002.

Etc.

History suggests that no more than about half of last year's playoff teams will be back again this year. Furthermore, if you look at division champions, the picture is even more bleak.

3 of the division champions in 2005 were also division champions in 2004.

4 of the division champions in 2004 were also division champions in 2003.

2 of the division champions in 2003 were also division champions in 2002.

History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat, and 2 or 3 times will a Division Champion become a wildcard, or a wildcard become a Division Champion.

Armed with this knowledge, I predict the following:

Denver, Chicago, and Seattle will repeat as division champions. The New York Giants and Indianapolis Colts will go from division champion to wildcard. The Jacksonville Jaguars and Carolina Panthers will go from wildcard to division champion. The Buffalo Bills, Dallas Cowboys, and Baltimore Ravens will go from out of the playoffs to Division Champion.

Final projections

AFC West- Denver

AFC North- Baltimore

AFC East- Buffalo

AFC South- Jacksonville

AFC Wildcard- Indianapolis

AFC Wildcard- Kansas City

NFC West- Seattle

NFC North- Chicago

NFC East- Dallas

NFC South- Carolina

NFC Wildcard- New York

NFC Wildcard- St. Louis

I know some of these predictions seem pretty far-fetched, but the reality is that the NFL produces a heckuvalot of previously far-fetched results. I guarantee you that these predictions are far more likely to come true than those of the Major Publications.

For fun, I predict Denver over Chicago in the superbowl.
The NY Giants have the hardest schedule (and no 9th home game) this year in arguably the toughest division. They're 50/50 at best to make the playoffs.However, you completely lose your credibility in picking the Bills.

- QB is a mess

- O-line isn't much better

- At best they're the 3rd best team in the division after Miami and NE.

I have a hard time picturing any situation that puts Buffalo in the postseason.

 
The NY Giants have the hardest schedule (and no 9th home game) this year in arguably the toughest division. They're 50/50 at best to make the playoffs.

However, you completely lose your credibility in picking the Bills.

- QB is a mess

- O-line isn't much better

- At best they're the 3rd best team in the division after Miami and NE.

I have a hard time picturing any situation that puts Buffalo in the postseason.
The Denver Broncos had perhaps the hardest schedule last year in arguably the toughest division, and they not only made the playoffs, they got a first round bye. Hard schedules and tough divisions do not necessarily mean no playoff trips. I mean, the Giants only have 2 games different than the Cowboys, Redskins, or Eagles... but at least one of those teams is going to the playoffs. I didn't even predict them for a division championship. Also, you say they're 50/50 at best to make the playoffs... but historically, EVERY SINGLE PLAYOFF TEAM IS 50/50 AT BEST TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THE FOLLOWING SEASON.As for the rest of it... I also would have "completely lost my credibility" if I had picked Chicago to make the playoffs in 2005. I mean, their QB situation was an even bigger mess, they only won 5 games the season before, and at best they were the third best team in their division behind Minnesota and Green Bay. I also would have "completely lost my credibility" if I had picked the San Diego Chargers to make the playoffs in 2004. Their QB situation was a mess, their O-line was a joke, and one of their columnists joked that they were the worst team on their own schedule. And I would have "completely lost my credibility" if I had predicted that the 2003 Carolina Panthers would make the Superbowl. Their starting QB was Rodney Peete, who was coming off a career best season of 2630 yards, 15 TDs, and 14 INTs. And their primary backup was some kid named Delhomme with 86 career passing attempts.

Understand this: something wildly unexpected happens every single season. The only way, in my mind, to "completely lose [ones] credibility" would be to predict otherwise. However, the Buffalo Bills had as recently as two seasons ago the most dominant defensive unit in the entire NFL (and one of the hottest teams, despite horrible QB play), and Chicago has proven that dominant defense plus a solid running game is more than enough to win a division title. I really don't see how they're that unbelievable of a pick, especially considering their QB situation is bound to improve, and New England has been hemorrhaging talent for years.

 
The Pubs pick the Cowboys,Eagles or Redskins to win the NFC East. I'll put my money on The Giants for that reason alone. The Eagles LOSE TO and they're going to be better,The Cowboys GAIN TO and are going to be better? The 'Skins will be team disfuntion as long as Snyder owns them. The most stable team in the division are The Giants. They improved their D and Manning will improve. Tough schedule or not,The G--Men will prevail.

 
History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat
This would be relevant if you were making a choice between Repeat and Not Repeat in each division. But that's not what you're doing. You have to pick specific teams.If I think the probabilities of winning the AFC West are as follows:

Denver 35%

San Diego 30%

Kansas City 25%

Oakland 10%

Then I believe that Denver will probably NOT repeat. But because the Oaksas Diego Raidargiefs aren't listed, Denver is my pick to win the AFC West this year.

Understand this: something wildly unexpected happens every single season. The only way, in my mind, to "completely lose [ones] credibility" would be to predict otherwise.
There is a big, big difference between, on the one hand, predicting that "something wildly unexpected will happen this season" and, on the other hand, picking a specific unexpected thing and predicting that that will happen.For example, every single year, some team wins 12 or more games and some other team wins 4 or fewer. Yet the people in Vegas have set every team's over/under between 5 and 11.5 wins. Why is that? It's because there is a difference between saying "some team will win 12+ games" and picking any particular team to win 12+. You can believe that some team will win more than 12 games, but still not think any particular team is better than a 50/50 shot to do it.

The same thing applies with picking the division champs. Picking 7 repeat division winners is not necessarily inconsistent with the belief that only 3 division winners will repeat.

 
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History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat
This would be relevant if you were making a choice between Repeat and Not Repeat in each division. But that's not what you're doing. You have to pick specific teams.If I think the probabilities of winning the AFC West are as follows:

Denver 35%

San Diego 30%

Kansas City 25%

Oakland 10%

Then I believe that Denver will probably NOT repeat. But because the Oaksas Diego Raidargiefs aren't listed, Denver is my pick to win the AFC West this year.

Understand this: something wildly unexpected happens every single season. The only way, in my mind, to "completely lose [ones] credibility" would be to predict otherwise.
There is a big, big difference between, on the one hand, predicting that "something wildly unexpected will happen this season" and, on the other hand, picking a specific unexpected thing and predicting that that will happen.For example, every single year, some team wins 12 or more games and some other team wins 4 or fewer. Yet the people in Vegas have set every team's over/under between 5 and 11.5 wins. Why is that? It's because there is a difference between saying "some team will win 12+ games" and picking any particular team to win 12+. You can believe that some team will win more than 12 games, but still not think any particular team is better than a 50/50 shot to do it.

The same thing applies with picking the division champs. Picking 7 repeat division winners is not necessarily inconsistent with the belief that only 3 division winners will repeat.
:goodposting: Nice breakdown, Doug.

 
AFC West- Denver

AFC North- Baltimore

AFC East- Buffalo

AFC South- Jacksonville

AFC Wildcard- Indianapolis

AFC Wildcard- Kansas City

NFC West- Seattle

NFC North- Chicago

NFC East- Dallas

NFC South- Carolina

NFC Wildcard- New York

NFC Wildcard- St. Louis
Do you really think the Bills and Ravens are more likely to win their division than the Dolphins, Patriots, Bengals or Steelers? History would say otherwise, as would the Vegas odds, along with most football fans. You can make quite a bit of money this year though. :thumbup:
 
History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat
This would be relevant if you were making a choice between Repeat and Not Repeat in each division. But that's not what you're doing. You have to pick specific teams....

There is a big, big difference between, on the one hand, predicting that "something wildly unexpected will happen this season" and, on the other hand, picking a specific unexpected thing and predicting that that will happen.

...

The same thing applies with picking the division champs. Picking 7 repeat division winners is not necessarily inconsistent with the belief that only 3 division winners will repeat.
This is all well and good ... but all that really means is that everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Hardly anyone ever gets the division titleists correct, and hardly anyone gets the Super Bowl matchup/champion correct.The only way to get it all correct is to walk out on that thin branch and pick some crazy stuff. Sure, you'll probably still be wrong ... but picking safe across the board seems to guarantee being wrong. What happened last year never seems to repeat across the board ... so why pick safe if your goal is 100% accuracy? Or is 100% accuracy not the goal of predictions, as it is already assumed that predictions will be wrong to some degree?

 
SSOG,

There's no questioning your ability to break down the Broncos, but the point I was trying to make was more of what Doug Drinen said - that predicting a SINGLE unlikely event to happen is far more risky (and subject to ridicule) than saying AN unlikely event will happen.

That is to say, picking the Bills to win the AFC East is very unlikely. Justifying the selection that pick by stating "an unlikely division winner happens every year" is not a solid supporting argument. If you tell me that there will be at least one team with a losing record from 2005 to win a division, I'd probably agree. However I disagree with your choice of team.

I'd be open to hearing why you picked Buffalo in particular - but with what I've seen they are one of the least likely of the teams to surprise anyone this year.

As for your Patriots comments - NE added a brand new RB and WR to their offense, and Buffalo was ridiculed for their reaches in the draft. I'm not a Pats fan, but I am giving some validation that they are not "hemorraging talent" as you mentioned earlier.

-JP

 
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Just curious.

If someone had predicted the Giants would win the NFC East and the Skins would finish as a wildcard, how crazy would that have been?

If someone had predicted the Bears would go to 11-5 and be able to rest their starters in week 17 because they had a first round bye locked up, how crazy would that have been?

How many people had the Eagles at 6-10 finishing last in the division?

If not for their super easy division, the Pats were doubtful to even MAKE the playoffs last year.

 
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This is all well and good ... but all that really means is that everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Hardly anyone ever gets the division titleists correct, and hardly anyone gets the Super Bowl matchup/champion correct.
I don't think everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Do you think Albert Pujols sucks at getting a base hit? For his career he doesn't get a hit 2 out of every 3 times, but I don't think it means he sucks at it.
The only way to get it all correct is to walk out on that thin branch and pick some crazy stuff. Sure, you'll probably still be wrong ... but picking safe across the board seems to guarantee being wrong. What happened last year never seems to repeat across the board ... so why pick safe if your goal is 100% accuracy? Or is 100% accuracy not the goal of predictions, as it is already assumed that predictions will be wrong to some degree?
I don't think 100% accuracy is the goal of most predictions. Just because what happenned last year never seems to repeat across the board doesn't mean it's not the best prediction for this year (although almost always it isn't). But if what happened last year has a 1/100 chance of repeating, and there are thousands of other combinations that are all equally plausible (and thus less than 1/100 chance of happening), then you're giong to maximize your odds of being correct by predicting the same thing to happen again this year.Consider this: You probably think you need to walk out on a branch and pick some crazy numbers if you were rolling a dice. Maybe you'd guess it would go:

1

5

3

5

6

4

1

2

Of course, that's not any more likely to happen then:

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

If I told you on 8 dice rolls I think we'll see 8 consecutive sixes, you'd say that's crazy and unlikely. But it's no more unlikely than the random assortment above.

 
Just curious.

If someone had predicted the Giants would win the NFC East and the Skins would finish as a wildcard, how crazy would that have been?

If someone had predicted the Bears would go to 11-5 and be able to rest their starters in week 17 because they had a first round bye locked up, how crazy would that have been?

How many people had the Eagles at 6-10 finishing last in the division?

If not for their super easy division, the Pats were doubtful to even MAKE the playoffs last year.
I'm not sure what this means.If someone would have predicted the 15-1 Steelers to win the Super Bowl this year, how crazy would that have been?

If someone would have predicted the 49ers to go 4-12, how crazy would that have been?

How crazy would it have been if someone predicted that Tomlinson would finish as the #3 fantasy RB for the fourth year in a row?

Predictions about football are right a lot and they're wrong a lot, which puts predicting football in line with predictions about everything else in the world.

 
This is all well and good ... but all that really means is that everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Hardly anyone ever gets the division titleists correct, and hardly anyone gets the Super Bowl matchup/champion correct.
I don't think everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Do you think Albert Pujols sucks at getting a base hit? For his career he doesn't get a hit 2 out of every 3 times, but I don't think it means he sucks at it.
The only way to get it all correct is to walk out on that thin branch and pick some crazy stuff. Sure, you'll probably still be wrong ... but picking safe across the board seems to guarantee being wrong. What happened last year never seems to repeat across the board ... so why pick safe if your goal is 100% accuracy? Or is 100% accuracy not the goal of predictions, as it is already assumed that predictions will be wrong to some degree?
I don't think 100% accuracy is the goal of most predictions. Just because what happenned last year never seems to repeat across the board doesn't mean it's not the best prediction for this year (although almost always it isn't). But if what happened last year has a 1/100 chance of repeating, and there are thousands of other combinations that are all equally plausible (and thus less than 1/100 chance of happening), then you're giong to maximize your odds of being correct by predicting the same thing to happen again this year.Consider this: You probably think you need to walk out on a branch and pick some crazy numbers if you were rolling a dice. Maybe you'd guess it would go:

1

5

3

5

6

4

1

2

Of course, that's not any more likely to happen then:

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

If I told you on 8 dice rolls I think we'll see 8 consecutive sixes, you'd say that's crazy and unlikely. But it's no more unlikely than the random assortment above.
The odds of eight 6's in a row are 1 in 1,679,616.The odds of eight NUMBERS in a row are 1 in 279,936.

Both are unlikely, but picking ONE unlikely event in this case is 6 times more rare than ANY of them.

Just furthering the point.

 
This is all well and good ... but all that really means is that everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Hardly anyone ever gets the division titleists correct, and hardly anyone gets the Super Bowl matchup/champion correct.
I don't think everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Do you think Albert Pujols sucks at getting a base hit? For his career he doesn't get a hit 2 out of every 3 times, but I don't think it means he sucks at it.
The only way to get it all correct is to walk out on that thin branch and pick some crazy stuff. Sure, you'll probably still be wrong ... but picking safe across the board seems to guarantee being wrong. What happened last year never seems to repeat across the board ... so why pick safe if your goal is 100% accuracy? Or is 100% accuracy not the goal of predictions, as it is already assumed that predictions will be wrong to some degree?
I don't think 100% accuracy is the goal of most predictions. Just because what happenned last year never seems to repeat across the board doesn't mean it's not the best prediction for this year (although almost always it isn't). But if what happened last year has a 1/100 chance of repeating, and there are thousands of other combinations that are all equally plausible (and thus less than 1/100 chance of happening), then you're giong to maximize your odds of being correct by predicting the same thing to happen again this year.Consider this: You probably think you need to walk out on a branch and pick some crazy numbers if you were rolling a dice. Maybe you'd guess it would go:

1

5

3

5

6

4

1

2

Of course, that's not any more likely to happen then:

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

If I told you on 8 dice rolls I think we'll see 8 consecutive sixes, you'd say that's crazy and unlikely. But it's no more unlikely than the random assortment above.
The odds of eight 6's in a row are 1 in 1,679,616.The odds of eight NUMBERS in a row are 1 in 279,936.

Both are unlikely, but picking ONE unlikely event in this case is 6 times more rare than ANY of them.

Just furthering the point.
Right, because you're only raising 1/6 to the seventh in the second example. But my two scenarios both have the same probability of happening, 1 in 1.6M.
 
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The odds of eight 6's in a row are 1 in 1,679,616.

The odds of eight NUMBERS in a row are 1 in 279,936.
Dice rolls are independent events. The odds of every throw being predicted correctly are 1/6.Therefore the odds of ANY exact sequence of eight numbers coming up, whether it's 6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6 or 1-5-3-5-6-4-1-2, equals (1/6)^8 = 1/1,679,616.

 
This is all well and good ... but all that really means is that everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Hardly anyone ever gets the division titleists correct, and hardly anyone gets the Super Bowl matchup/champion correct.The only way to get it all correct is to walk out on that thin branch and pick some crazy stuff. Sure, you'll probably still be wrong ... but picking safe across the board seems to guarantee being wrong. What happened last year never seems to repeat across the board ... so why pick safe if your goal is 100% accuracy? Or is 100% accuracy not the goal of predictions, as it is already assumed that predictions will be wrong to some degree?
:goodposting: SSOG: I don't have a comment about your "crazy" predictions. Why Chiefs over the Chargers for the wildcard?
 
The only way to get it all correct is to walk out on that thin branch and pick some crazy stuff.
But don't you see, picking all 8 division winners to repeat is itself some crazy stuff! Every branch on this tree is thin.I find this discussion very interesting, so let's formalize it a little. Like Chase's dice example, let's code all 8 division winners repeating as 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1. Last year, here is what happened: 3-1-1-2-4-4-3-1. That is, three teams repeated, one second-place team (from the previous year) won its division, two #3s and two #4s.

By my reckoning, in a typical year, 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 is roughly a 3000-to-1 shot. Unless there is a fundamental change in the structure of the league, it is extremely unlikely that any of us, or even our great-grandchildren, will ever see a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 season. It's just not going to happen.

So therefore we shouldn't predict it to happen, right?

Well, OK. But the problem is that we have to predict something. So you figure, "well, it'll probably be something like 1-1-3-2-1-4-2-3." And you're right. It probably will be something like that. But it is exceedingly unlikely that it will be exactly that.

If we're just talking about division winners, there are 65,536 ways the season can turn out. The most likely among them varies from season to season and is probably not 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 in most years. But whatever it is, it's probably a 500-to-1 shot at the absolute best. No matter what you pick, it's going to be "some crazy stuff."

My point is: if you think Baltimore and Buffalo are the most likely teams to win their respective divisions, then pick Baltimore and Buffalo. But if you don't, then you absolutely positively will NOT improve your chances of getting 100% your picks right by filling them in just because you need a couple of 3s in there somewhere.

 
History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat
This would be relevant if you were making a choice between Repeat and Not Repeat in each division. But that's not what you're doing. You have to pick specific teams.

If I think the probabilities of winning the AFC West are as follows:

Denver 35%

San Diego 30%

Kansas City 25%

Oakland 10%

Then I believe that Denver will probably NOT repeat. But because the Oaksas Diego Raidargiefs aren't listed, Denver is my pick to win the AFC West this year.

Understand this: something wildly unexpected happens every single season. The only way, in my mind, to "completely lose [ones] credibility" would be to predict otherwise.
There is a big, big difference between, on the one hand, predicting that "something wildly unexpected will happen this season" and, on the other hand, picking a specific unexpected thing and predicting that that will happen.

For example, every single year, some team wins 12 or more games and some other team wins 4 or fewer. Yet the people in Vegas have set every team's over/under between 5 and 11.5 wins. Why is that? It's because there is a difference between saying "some team will win 12+ games" and picking any particular team to win 12+. You can believe that some team will win more than 12 games, but still not think any particular team is better than a 50/50 shot to do it.

The same thing applies with picking the division champs. Picking 7 repeat division winners is not necessarily inconsistent with the belief that only 3 division winners will repeat.
I understand and agree with all of this, and if I were in a contest to maximize the correct number of my predictions, I'd be picking far fewer "upsets".

With that said, my goal wasn't to maximize my correct predictions through risk-adverse behaviors, my goal was to CORRECTLY PREDICT the division champions. If I had to lay money on it, I would bet a substantial chunk of money that MY predictions were more likely to come true than those of the Preseason Publications.

They're sitting there trying to get as few wrong as possible (which I think is, to some extent, intellectual cowardice), while I'm sitting here trying to get as many right as possible. Simply a difference of approach, but like I said, I think the odds are better that I just correctly predicted all 12 playoff teams than they are that the Mags just did. :)

AFC West- Denver

AFC North- Baltimore

AFC East- Buffalo

AFC South- Jacksonville

AFC Wildcard- Indianapolis

AFC Wildcard- Kansas City

NFC West- Seattle

NFC North- Chicago

NFC East- Dallas

NFC South- Carolina

NFC Wildcard- New York

NFC Wildcard- St. Louis
Do you really think the Bills and Ravens are more likely to win their division than the Dolphins, Patriots, Bengals or Steelers? History would say otherwise, as would the Vegas odds, along with most football fans. You can make quite a bit of money this year though. :thumbup:
I don't think history really suggests otherwise. Like I said, history suggests that there are going to be several really surprising results at the end of the season. I just tried to predict which surprising results would surprise me the least (if that makes any sense). Buffalo and Baltimore have both proven themselves capable of being a truly dominant defense (a la the 2005 Bears), and history has shown that with even mediocre play on the other side of the ball, a team can ride a dominant unit to a championship. Besides, I think both teams have improved offensively over last year (Losman is a year more experienced, and McNair is not Kyle Boller), so with a strong showing by the defense, I don't think it's that hard at all to believe that these teams could be division champions.

As for Miami, New England, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh... New England has been hemorrhaging talent for years and (in my opinion) wouldn't have even made the playoffs last year if they weren't in the AFC East, Pittsburgh has had a horrible offseason and has the potential for a SB hangover, Cincinnati has questions surrounding Palmer and a horrible run defense, and I really don't believe that Miami is anywhere near as good as everyone else seems to think. I wouldn't be surprised to see any of those 4 win their division... but I also wouldn't be surprised to see them NOT win their division.

That is to say, picking the Bills to win the AFC East is very unlikely. Justifying the selection that pick by stating "an unlikely division winner happens every year" is not a solid supporting argument. If you tell me that there will be at least one team with a losing record from 2005 to win a division, I'd probably agree. However I disagree with your choice of team.
I have to admit, I like Buffalo far more than most people- which might be a good sign, because a lot of teams that nobody likes become very good, like the '05 Bears and '04 Chargers. Now, I could pick a team that everyone likes more, but then it wouldn't be a team that no one likes. ;)

Anyway, no, I actually have reasons for liking the Bills. Like I said, I think that the defense is capable of DOMINANCE on the levels of the 2005 Bears or maybe the 2000 Ravens, which is more than enough to make up for shortcomings on offense. I also like them to improve on offense, simply because QBs tend to take a *HUGE* step forward between their first and second years as a starter. Even mediocre QB play, combined with the 2004 Bills Defense, would make the Bills a very huge threat to win the (as I see it) very weak AFC East (which was, in my mind, the second weakest division in the league last year).

Also, I don't get the hate for the Bills QB situation. Losman had a 49.6% completion rate, 5.9 ypa, and a 1:1 TD:Int ratio. In Eli's first season, he had a 48.2% completion rate, 1:1.5 TD:INT ratio, and 5.3 ypa- all three marks worse than Losman's. McGahee has proven himself a very good RB more than capable of carrying the load, too. Lee Evans demonstrated his rookie season that he was a stud, and I think is going to become even better now that he's in his third season. I see a lot of things to like in Buffalo on offense, a lot of reasons to expect them to improve.

I also don't like New England or Miami. I think if you take NE out of the AFC East last year, they miss the playoffs entirely. I also think that too much attention gets paid to Miami's 6-game winning streak to end the season, and not enough to the 6 games themselves.

This is all well and good ... but all that really means is that everyone pretty much sucks at predicting outcomes of NFL seasons. Hardly anyone ever gets the division titleists correct, and hardly anyone gets the Super Bowl matchup/champion correct.The only way to get it all correct is to walk out on that thin branch and pick some crazy stuff. Sure, you'll probably still be wrong ... but picking safe across the board seems to guarantee being wrong. What happened last year never seems to repeat across the board ... so why pick safe if your goal is 100% accuracy? Or is 100% accuracy not the goal of predictions, as it is already assumed that predictions will be wrong to some degree?
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SSOG: I don't have a comment about your "crazy" predictions. Why Chiefs over the Chargers for the wildcard?
Contrary to popular opinion, I think the Chiefs were a better team than the Chargers last year, and I think it's a slap in their faces that the Chargers get all the love as the "best team to ever miss the playoffs". The Chargers lost 3 of their last 4 games- including games at home against an overrated (in my opinion) Miami squad, a game to Kansas City itself, and a game in week 17 that was meaningless to the Broncos, but which Schottenheimer prepared the Chargers for like it was their superbowl or something (reminds me of Buffalo losing to Pittsburgh at the end of '04). I think they're both good, but I like KC's stability over SD's changing of the guard at QB, and I like the fact that KC has a full season of Larry Johnson 24/7.

My point is: if you think Baltimore and Buffalo are the most likely teams to win their respective divisions' date=' then pick Baltimore and Buffalo. But if you don't, then you absolutely positively will NOT improve your chances of getting 100% your picks right by filling them in just because you need a couple of 3s in there somewhere.[/quote']I think Baltimore and Buffalo are the most likely teams to win their respective divisions- or, at the least, I think that they have an equal shot at it as several other teams (Cincy, Pitt, and New England).
 
Saw an article in USA Today where they went through each NFL Presason Mag and listed who their picks were for the Super Bowl as well as Division Winners:

USA Today Article on NFL Preseason Mags

Five magazines were used here: Athlon, Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Lindy's and Pro Football Weekly

Here are the picks (I'll list each division and who picked who): I'll buy a coke for the first guy that can spot the pattern.

NFC East: Cowboys (Sporting News, Street & Smith's, Athlon), Eagles(Lindy's), Redskins (Pro Football Weekly)

NFC North: Bears (Unanimous Pick)

NFC South: Panthers (Unanimous Pick)

NFC West: Seahawks(Unanimous Pick)

AFC East: Patriots(Unanimous Pick)

AFC North: Steelers(Unanimous Pick)

AFC South: Colts (Unanimous Pick)

AFC West: Broncos(Unanimous Pick)

Super Bowl Picks

Athlon: Indianapolis defeats Carolina.

Lindy's: Carolina defeats Denver.

ProFootball Weekly: Carolina defeats Indianapolis.

Sporting News: Pittsburgh defeats Carolina.

Street & Smith's: Carolina defeats Denver.

I thought magazines were in the business of making outlandish predictions in order to generate buzz? I guess not. These predictions look like they were made by consulting last year's final standing.....

So if the mags are all going to pick the same teams, let me pose this question: what are they all getting wrong? Which of these picks are we going to look back on in January and shake our heads?

The unanimous Steelers pick looks like a bad one now, but when these mags went to press Big Ben had a mouth full of teeth and Santonio Holmes wasn't being mentioned in the same breath as Chris Henry.

I'm going to say the unanimous pick of the Colts will turn out to be a bad one. I think they'll still be quite good, but will take a step back with the loss of James. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Jags step up and win that division.....
All 5 mags have the Panthers as NFC champs. Hmmmm.
That's what I said... They aren't even a lock to win their own division... I think at best it's a coin-flip with Tampa.For some reason, the Media really, really loves Carolina.

 
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I'm going to say the unanimous pick of the Colts will turn out to be a bad one. I think they'll still be quite good, but will take a step back with the loss of James. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Jags step up and win that division.....
The Jags don't have enough offense. I have my doubts about their passing game, and Fragile Freddy is , well, Fragile Freddy. Greg Jones is mediocre, Pearman is a great 3rd down back, but that's it, and M Drew is a runt.
 
They're sitting there trying to get as few wrong as possible (which I think is, to some extent, intellectual cowardice), while I'm sitting here trying to get as many right as possible. Simply a difference of approach, but like I said, I think the odds are better that I just correctly predicted all 12 playoff teams than they are that the Mags just did. :)
Predicting NFL records is binary: the prediction is either right or wrong. Trying to get as few wrong as possible is merely the flip side of trying to get as many right as possible. You're not doing anything differently than they are.
AFC West- Denver

AFC North- Baltimore

AFC East- Buffalo

AFC South- Jacksonville

AFC Wildcard- Indianapolis

AFC Wildcard- Kansas City

NFC West- Seattle

NFC North- Chicago

NFC East- Dallas

NFC South- Carolina

NFC Wildcard- New York

NFC Wildcard- St. Louis
Do you really think the Bills and Ravens are more likely to win their division than the Dolphins, Patriots, Bengals or Steelers? History would say otherwise, as would the Vegas odds, along with most football fans. You can make quite a bit of money this year though. :thumbup:
I don't think history really suggests otherwise. Like I said, history suggests that there are going to be several really surprising results at the end of the season.
History tells me that teams with a .641 winning percentage in year N are more likely to have a better record in year N+1 than teams with a .344 winning percentage. Yet you took the two teams with a .344 winning percentage to have better records than all four teams that combined to have a .641 winning percentage last year. I can assure you that history would say the teams that won 30% more of their games the previous year are more likely than not going to win more games the next season as well.
I just tried to predict which surprising results would surprise me the least (if that makes any sense).
I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, outside of for fun. But that doesn't mean it's a good way to make predictions. Focusing on just one subset of information isn't such a good idea. You rely entirely on the stat that X number of division winners don't repeat, and then look for teams to fit that mold; meanwhile you ignore the stat that teams with inferior records end up worse than teams with superior records. I'd be curious to know what would make you do something like that.
 
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They're sitting there trying to get as few wrong as possible (which I think is, to some extent, intellectual cowardice), while I'm sitting here trying to get as many right as possible. Simply a difference of approach, but like I said, I think the odds are better that I just correctly predicted all 12 playoff teams than they are that the Mags just did. :)
Predicting NFL records is binary: the prediction is either right or wrong. Trying to get as few wrong as possible is merely the flip side of trying to get as many right as possible. You're not doing anything differently than they are.
Alright, let me give you an example. Let's say I set up four shells, and there's a bead under one of the shells. I then point to each shell and ask if you think the bead is underneath it. You could say "No" all four times, or you could say "Yes" once and "no" three times. Doing the first would, on average, leave you right more frequently than doing the second (that's minimizing the number you got wrong). However, you have NO CHANCE of getting all 4 right. If you want to have a chance to get all 4 right (i.e. maximize the number you get right), you have to predict "yes" sometimes.Maybe "maximizing the number you get right" is the wrong phrase. Let's go with "Leave yourself with the best possible chance of getting every single prediction right". Either way, I feel like saying "no" to all 4 shells is intellectual cowardice. That's not predicting, that's running the numbers to see what the safest answer is and then mindlessly spouting it off.

History tells me that teams with a .641 winning percentage in year N are more likely to have a better record in year N+1 than teams with a .344 winning percentage. Yet you took the two teams with a .344 winning percentage to have better records than all four teams that combined to have a .641 winning percentage last year. I can assure you that history would say the teams that won 30% more of their games the previous year are more likely than not going to win more games the next season as well.
Well then, why don't we just make all of our predictions based on what everyone's record was last season?History tells us that some teams with .344 winning percentages will become very good teams. Predicting that every single bad team will remain bad is, quite simply, a bad prediction. Some teams *HAVE* to improve. Some teams *HAVE* to decline. In this case, I am predicting that the Ravens and Bills will improve, and that the Bengals, Steelers, Patriots, and Dolphins will decline. Not because I felt that some teams HAD to, and I decided that those were the teams that would do it... but because I honestly believe that Baltimore and Buffalo will improve while the other 4 will decline. It's not like I'm pulling names out of a hat, here.

I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, outside of for fun. But that doesn't mean it's a good way to make predictions. Focusing on just one subset of information isn't such a good idea. You rely entirely on the stat that X number of division winners don't repeat, and then look for teams to fit that mold; meanwhile you ignore the stat that teams with inferior records end up worse than teams with superior records. I'd be curious to know what would make you do something like that.
What made me do something like that is that I honestly believe that Buffalo and Baltimore will be much better this year than last. It's not like I said "Hmm... let's pick two lousy teams and predict them to titles!" and then threw darts at a board here. I see improvements in both Buffalo and Baltimore. I see defenses capable of becoming dominant. I see drastic improvements at QB. I backs capable of leading a very strong rushing attack. I see divisions with a ton of question marks that are, in my opinion, ripe for the taking. The result of this whole stew is that I see Baltimore and Buffalo winning their divisions. Is that really such a hard concept to comprehend?
 
Fine, for those who don't like my Buffalo prediction, I challenge you... why will Buffalo remain horrible? Why are you so convinced that Buffalo's not going to improve any?

 
The odds of eight 6's in a row are 1 in 1,679,616.

The odds of eight NUMBERS in a row are 1 in 279,936.
Dice rolls are independent events. The odds of every throw being predicted correctly are 1/6.Therefore the odds of ANY exact sequence of eight numbers coming up, whether it's 6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6 or 1-5-3-5-6-4-1-2, equals (1/6)^8 = 1/1,679,616.
Last I checked there are six sequences that have eight numbers in a row (1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, 5s, and 6s).6 out of 1,679,616 = 1 in 279,936.

 
Fine, for those who don't like my Buffalo prediction, I challenge you... why will Buffalo remain horrible? Why are you so convinced that Buffalo's not going to improve any?
Rudnicki needs to get in this thread, but I'll have at it.1. No significant improvement on offensive line, which is considered a bottom 5 line my many.

2. Loss of the only sure-handed WR veteran on the team - Eric Moulds.

3. No real TE threat.

4. No real #2 WR candidate.

5. #4 leads to a bad showing / double-coverage on Lee Evans.

6. Uncertainty of the starting QB.

That's off the top of my head.

I'd be interested in a comparision of the 2004 defense vs. 2006, but I cannot personally speak to that.

 
Buffalo won't be horrible. I don't see them as a #1, but I don't see them as a pathetic 4-12 either.

Chase has it right, it's easier and safer to pick last years winners, barring some strong reason to drop that specific team or elevate another, and worse, you're far more likely to get MORE picks correct with this admittedly faulty method then by assuming X # of fourth place, Y # of 3rd place teams will acceed the throne.

I agree with no more then half of the mags unanimous picks, but seriously, HOW MANY OF US AGREE WITH MORE THEN HALF?

If you want to find a team with a thousand reasons to do better then where most are currently picking them...look closer at the Eagles. Three NFC championship games (and Division Titles) with lesser WR talent then they currently have. With TO distractions gone and a healthy McNabb, is it so big a stretch to see them return to dominance in the NFC East?

 
Fine, for those who don't like my Buffalo prediction, I challenge you... why will Buffalo remain horrible? Why are you so convinced that Buffalo's not going to improve any?
Rudnicki needs to get in this thread, but I'll have at it.1. No significant improvement on offensive line, which is considered a bottom 5 line my many.

2. Loss of the only sure-handed WR veteran on the team - Eric Moulds.

3. No real TE threat.

4. No real #2 WR candidate.

5. #4 leads to a bad showing / double-coverage on Lee Evans.

6. Uncertainty of the starting QB.

That's off the top of my head.

I'd be interested in a comparision of the 2004 defense vs. 2006, but I cannot personally speak to that.
Except for Moulds, all of that was true LAST SEASON, too. So what you're saying is that the only real loss that team has faced is Eric Moulds. That's fine. Let's see what they gained.Losman is now in his second season as a starter. Historically, the vast majority of QBs are lightyears better in their second season than they were in their first.

TKO Spikes is healthy again. TKO was lost in week 3 of last offseason, and according to Chase is the reason why Buffalo's defense wasn't dominant last season.

Now, allow me to explain my reasoning from a better point of view. I have looked back at all of the teams that were expected to stink, but who went on a tear and surprised a lot of people. They all seem to have a few things in common. First off, they all had questions at QB before the season. Second off, their QBs did not struggle anywhere NEAR as much as everyone predicted (with the exception of Chicago last year). Third off, there was a dramatic defensive improvement from the previous year. Fourth off, they all had a surprisingly strong showing from their running game. That profile fits the strong majority of "surprise" teams out there. Baltimore and Buffalo both fit every single point in that profile very well, which means in my opinion, they are strong candidates to be the "surprise" teams this season.

Historically, bad teams that get marginal QB improvement, solid defensive improvement, and a strong showing from the running game all become good teams in a hurry. I predict that Buffalo and Baltimore will get marginal QB improvement, solid defensive improvement, and a strong showing from the running game. Therefore...

 
The odds of eight 6's in a row are 1 in 1,679,616.

The odds of eight NUMBERS in a row are 1 in 279,936.
Dice rolls are independent events. The odds of every throw being predicted correctly are 1/6.Therefore the odds of ANY exact sequence of eight numbers coming up, whether it's 6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6 or 1-5-3-5-6-4-1-2, equals (1/6)^8 = 1/1,679,616.
Last I checked there are six sequences that have eight numbers in a row (1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, 5s, and 6s).6 out of 1,679,616 = 1 in 279,936.
Okay, I see what you're saying. Just confused by the wording. :thumbup:
 
They're sitting there trying to get as few wrong as possible (which I think is, to some extent, intellectual cowardice), while I'm sitting here trying to get as many right as possible. Simply a difference of approach, but like I said, I think the odds are better that I just correctly predicted all 12 playoff teams than they are that the Mags just did. :)
Predicting NFL records is binary: the prediction is either right or wrong. Trying to get as few wrong as possible is merely the flip side of trying to get as many right as possible. You're not doing anything differently than they are.
Alright, let me give you an example. Let's say I set up four shells, and there's a bead under one of the shells. I then point to each shell and ask if you think the bead is underneath it. You could say "No" all four times, or you could say "Yes" once and "no" three times. Doing the first would, on average, leave you right more frequently than doing the second (that's minimizing the number you got wrong). However, you have NO CHANCE of getting all 4 right. If you want to have a chance to get all 4 right (i.e. maximize the number you get right), you have to predict "yes" sometimes.Maybe "maximizing the number you get right" is the wrong phrase. Let's go with "Leave yourself with the best possible chance of getting every single prediction right". Either way, I feel like saying "no" to all 4 shells is intellectual cowardice. That's not predicting, that's running the numbers to see what the safest answer is and then mindlessly spouting it off.
If you answer NO to every question, you're going to get three right out of four every single time. If you answer YES once, you're going to get them all right 25% of the time, and half of the right 75% of the time. The expected number of accurate answers is 3 when you always say no, and it's 2.5 in the other scenario. Maximizing the number you get right is certainly going to tell you go say no all the time. Leaving yourself with the best possible chance of getting every single prediction right is going to steer you towards scenario two. Leaving yourself with the best possible chance of getting more right than wrong every time will swing you back to option one.I'm still failing to see how going with something that's 75% likely to happen is intellectual cowardice. Is it football cowardice when a team punts on 4th and 10? That certainly doesn't leave them with the best possible chance of getting the best result.

History tells me that teams with a .641 winning percentage in year N are more likely to have a better record in year N+1 than teams with a .344 winning percentage. Yet you took the two teams with a .344 winning percentage to have better records than all four teams that combined to have a .641 winning percentage last year. I can assure you that history would say the teams that won 30% more of their games the previous year are more likely than not going to win more games the next season as well.
Well then, why don't we just make all of our predictions based on what everyone's record was last season?History tells us that some teams with .344 winning percentages will become very good teams. Predicting that every single bad team will remain bad is, quite simply, a bad prediction. Some teams *HAVE* to improve. Some teams *HAVE* to decline. In this case, I am predicting that the Ravens and Bills will improve, and that the Bengals, Steelers, Patriots, and Dolphins will decline. Not because I felt that some teams HAD to, and I decided that those were the teams that would do it... but because I honestly believe that Baltimore and Buffalo will improve while the other 4 will decline. It's not like I'm pulling names out of a hat, here.
If you're not pulling names out of a hat, then I suppose that's fine. But just because some teams *HAVE* to improve doesn't mean any team is *LIKELY* to improve. If you could win $1,000,000 by guessing the AFC East winner, is your answer going to be Buffalo? If it is, then that's fine and I don't have a problem with you choosing Buffalo (at least in terms of logical analysis). But it doesn't bolster your argument one iota to say I like Buffalo and every year some teams are surprises.
I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, outside of for fun. But that doesn't mean it's a good way to make predictions. Focusing on just one subset of information isn't such a good idea. You rely entirely on the stat that X number of division winners don't repeat, and then look for teams to fit that mold; meanwhile you ignore the stat that teams with inferior records end up worse than teams with superior records. I'd be curious to know what would make you do something like that.
What made me do something like that is that I honestly believe that Buffalo and Baltimore will be much better this year than last. It's not like I said "Hmm... let's pick two lousy teams and predict them to titles!" and then threw darts at a board here. I see improvements in both Buffalo and Baltimore. I see defenses capable of becoming dominant. I see drastic improvements at QB. I backs capable of leading a very strong rushing attack. I see divisions with a ton of question marks that are, in my opinion, ripe for the taking. The result of this whole stew is that I see Baltimore and Buffalo winning their divisions. Is that really such a hard concept to comprehend?
If you really like Buffalo and Baltimore, then that's great -- but any historical analysis is going to be irrelevant on the issue.
 
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5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2005 also made it in 2004.

7 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2004 also made it in 2003.

5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2003 also made it in 2002.

Etc.

History suggests that no more than about half of last year's playoff teams will be back again this year. Furthermore, if you look at division champions, the picture is even more bleak.

3 of the division champions in 2005 were also division champions in 2004.

4 of the division champions in 2004 were also division champions in 2003.

2 of the division champions in 2003 were also division champions in 2002.

History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat, and 2 or 3 times will a Division Champion become a wildcard, or a wildcard become a Division Champion.

Armed with this knowledge, I predict the following:

Denver, Chicago, and Seattle will repeat as division champions. The New York Giants and Indianapolis Colts will go from division champion to wildcard. The Jacksonville Jaguars and Carolina Panthers will go from wildcard to division champion. The Buffalo Bills, Dallas Cowboys, and Baltimore Ravens will go from out of the playoffs to Division Champion.

Final projections

AFC West- Denver

AFC North- Baltimore

AFC East- Buffalo

AFC South- Jacksonville

AFC Wildcard- Indianapolis

AFC Wildcard- Kansas City

NFC West- Seattle

NFC North- Chicago

NFC East- Dallas

NFC South- Carolina

NFC Wildcard- New York

NFC Wildcard- St. Louis

I know some of these predictions seem pretty far-fetched, but the reality is that the NFL produces a heckuvalot of previously far-fetched results. I guarantee you that these predictions are far more likely to come true than those of the Major Publications.

For fun, I predict Denver over Chicago in the superbowl.
Why are you only going back 3 years and then using the word HISTORY??? :boxing: This would seem more indicative of a TREND than History.

 
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5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2005 also made it in 2004.

7 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2004 also made it in 2003.

5 of the teams that made the playoffs in 2003 also made it in 2002.

Etc.

History suggests that no more than about half of last year's playoff teams will be back again this year. Furthermore, if you look at division champions, the picture is even more bleak.

3 of the division champions in 2005 were also division champions in 2004.

4 of the division champions in 2004 were also division champions in 2003.

2 of the division champions in 2003 were also division champions in 2002.

History tells us that about 3 Division Champions will repeat, and 2 or 3 times will a Division Champion become a wildcard, or a wildcard become a Division Champion.

Armed with this knowledge, I predict the following:

Denver, Chicago, and Seattle will repeat as division champions. The New York Giants and Indianapolis Colts will go from division champion to wildcard. The Jacksonville Jaguars and Carolina Panthers will go from wildcard to division champion. The Buffalo Bills, Dallas Cowboys, and Baltimore Ravens will go from out of the playoffs to Division Champion.

Final projections

AFC West- Denver

AFC North- Baltimore

AFC East- Buffalo

AFC South- Jacksonville

AFC Wildcard- Indianapolis

AFC Wildcard- Kansas City

NFC West- Seattle

NFC North- Chicago

NFC East- Dallas

NFC South- Carolina

NFC Wildcard- New York

NFC Wildcard- St. Louis

I know some of these predictions seem pretty far-fetched, but the reality is that the NFL produces a heckuvalot of previously far-fetched results. I guarantee you that these predictions are far more likely to come true than those of the Major Publications.

For fun, I predict Denver over Chicago in the superbowl.
The NY Giants have the hardest schedule (and no 9th home game) this year in arguably the toughest division. They're 50/50 at best to make the playoffs.However, you completely lose your credibility in picking the Bills.

- QB is a mess

- O-line isn't much better

- At best they're the 3rd best team in the division after Miami and NE.

I have a hard time picturing any situation that puts Buffalo in the postseason.
Jeff, I was just going to make this point. Their first 6 games are going to be crucial.
 
Why are you only going back 3 years and then using the word HISTORY??? :boxing:

This would seem more indicative of a TREND than History.
I agree, the numbers would be far more accurate if I used data dating back all the way to the beginning of the current playoff format (unless, of course, you have reason to believe that something has significantly changed that would impact a team's chances of repeating or scoring more fantasy points outdoors).The reason I didn't use more historical data is simple. Laziness. I didn't want to look back that far.

 
Why are you only going back 3 years and then using the word HISTORY??? :boxing:

This would seem more indicative of a TREND than History.
I agree, the numbers would be far more accurate if I used data dating back all the way to the beginning of the current playoff format (unless, of course, you have reason to believe that something has significantly changed that would impact a team's chances of repeating or scoring more fantasy points outdoors).The reason I didn't use more historical data is simple. Laziness. I didn't want to look back that far.
Here's some good news: you used data dating back all the way to the beginning of the current playoff format. The league went to 8 divisions and 4 wildcards beginning in 2002, so those are the playoff teams you would want to start with to see if they repeated: fortunately, that's right where you started.
 
Why are you only going back 3 years and then using the word HISTORY??? :boxing:

This would seem more indicative of a TREND than History.
I agree, the numbers would be far more accurate if I used data dating back all the way to the beginning of the current playoff format (unless, of course, you have reason to believe that something has significantly changed that would impact a team's chances of repeating or scoring more fantasy points outdoors).The reason I didn't use more historical data is simple. Laziness. I didn't want to look back that far.
Here's some good news: you used data dating back all the way to the beginning of the current playoff format. The league went to 8 divisions and 4 wildcards beginning in 2002, so those are the playoff teams you would want to start with to see if they repeated: fortunately, that's right where you started.
Haha, didn't think of that. I was thinking of going all the way back to the beginning of the 6 team playoffs, but it didn't even occur to me that there used to be 3 wildcards. :doh:
 

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