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I hear ya. I think Colin's view of it is a stretch, LOL, but maybe not. I just don't think there's anyway San Diego gives both first round picks in this draft, much less their 3rd. History may suggest it, but you can't discount the fact there's not the usual super-stud at the top this year (at least in most people's minds).
Last years NYG / SD trade was for the 1.01 and NYG gave up their 1st (1.04), their third, a 5th, and this years 1st rounder. And that was to move up 3 spots.I'm not sure 2 firsts and a 3rd to move up 11 spots is a stretch at all.COlin
 
I certainly would've considered other compensation if I thought we could include more than what was outlined. Still, a late 2nd for moving up 11 spots to the #1 isn't an awful price in this draft.
For comparison's sake, I suspect such a move in the real NFL draft would have cost San Diego both of its firsts and its 3rd.Colin
:goodposting: I don't care how balanced the draft is in people's minds there is no way that a team moves that far down with so little compensation.
I hear ya. I think Colin's view of it is a stretch, LOL, but maybe not. I just don't think there's anyway San Diego gives both first round picks in this draft, much less their 3rd. History may suggest it, but you can't discount the fact there's not the usual super-stud at the top this year (at least in most people's minds).I chose to go ahead & do the deal because it was enough to justify it in my mind. You have to realize people aren't going to give their whole freaking draft away in a mock. They want to make some picks & I don't blame them.

I guess that's the thing. It really depends on how you look at it. If I thought this was for absolute realism, I wouldn't have done it. I took it as a mixture of realism & what you want to get accomplised. If my view is a lot different than the other GMs, I apologize. Maybe I'm in the vast minority.
I will agree that there might not be a Vick, Manning or Courtney Brown but each team will have someone on their board that they feel is a step above the rest of the board.
 
NOW you tell me we can include '06 picks. :) That's perfect because it still let's people keep most of their picks in this mock. I guess I'll ask more questions next time, LOL.

 
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I certainly would've considered other compensation if I thought we could include more than what was outlined. Still, a late 2nd for moving up 11 spots to the #1 isn't an awful price in this draft.
For comparison's sake, I suspect such a move in the real NFL draft would have cost San Diego both of its firsts and its 3rd.Colin
:goodposting: I don't care how balanced the draft is in people's minds there is no way that a team moves that far down with so little compensation.
I hear ya. I think Colin's view of it is a stretch, LOL, but maybe not. I just don't think there's anyway San Diego gives both first round picks in this draft, much less their 3rd. History may suggest it, but you can't discount the fact there's not the usual super-stud at the top this year (at least in most people's minds).I chose to go ahead & do the deal because it was enough to justify it in my mind. You have to realize people aren't going to give their whole freaking draft away in a mock. They want to make some picks & I don't blame them.

I guess that's the thing. It really depends on how you look at it. If I thought this was for absolute realism, I wouldn't have done it. I took it as a mixture of realism & what you want to get accomplised. If my view is a lot different than the other GMs, I apologize. Maybe I'm in the vast minority.
They were in love with Manning. He is clearly a way better prospect than anybody this year. There is no comparison. You can't think of it as trading for the pick. It is trading for the player you can take with that pick. By the way. The giants gave up way too much.
 
I certainly would've considered other compensation if I thought we could include more than what was outlined. Still, a late 2nd for moving up 11 spots to the #1 isn't an awful price in this draft.
For comparison's sake, I suspect such a move in the real NFL draft would have cost San Diego both of its firsts and its 3rd.Colin
:goodposting: I don't care how balanced the draft is in people's minds there is no way that a team moves that far down with so little compensation.
I hear ya. I think Colin's view of it is a stretch, LOL, but maybe not. I just don't think there's anyway San Diego gives both first round picks in this draft, much less their 3rd. History may suggest it, but you can't discount the fact there's not the usual super-stud at the top this year (at least in most people's minds).I chose to go ahead & do the deal because it was enough to justify it in my mind. You have to realize people aren't going to give their whole freaking draft away in a mock. They want to make some picks & I don't blame them.

I guess that's the thing. It really depends on how you look at it. If I thought this was for absolute realism, I wouldn't have done it. I took it as a mixture of realism & what you want to get accomplised. If my view is a lot different than the other GMs, I apologize. Maybe I'm in the vast minority.
They were in love with Manning. He is clearly a way better prospect than anybody this year. There is no comparison. You can't think of it as trading for the pick. It is trading for the player you can take with that pick. By the way. The giants gave up way too much.
We won't really know if the Giants paid too much in that trade for years, but history suggests that it costs a HECKUVA lot more than what the Niners got in his mock to move into the top spot.ATL acquires 1st overall pick from SD (2001)

ATL receives 1st overall pick (i.e., Mike Vick)

SD receives 5th overall pick (i.e., LaDainian Tomlinson)
SD receives Tim Dwight, WR/KR
SD receives 3rd rounder 2001
SD receives 2nd rounder 2002So in exchange for the right TO MOVE UP FOUR SLOTS, the Falcons gave up 2nd, 3rd and player

And let's look at the trade the Broncos initiated to select John Elway

DEN receives rights to John Elway (1st overall pick-1983)
IND receives OL Chris Hinton (4th overall pick-1983)
IND receives 1st rounder 1984
IND receives QB Mark HerrmannAgain, to move up THREE ENTIRE SPOTS, the Broncos also gave up their 1st rounder the following year and a young QB

 
I have the Cards and the #8 pick for people wanting to move up.PM with an offer if you are interested in it.Be back later.

 
Colin or anyone else,Does anyone have the draft pick calculator that assigns a value to each pick to show what the perceived value of a pick is. I think that this thing has become pretty standard now. It is basically a pick A = 2500 pts, pick B = 2200 points, pick Q = 300 points etc...

 
Colin or anyone else,

Does anyone have the draft pick calculator that assigns a value to each pick to show what the perceived value of a pick is. I think that this thing has become pretty standard now. It is basically a pick A = 2500 pts, pick B = 2200 points, pick Q = 300 points etc...
Here you go
 
I certainly would've considered other compensation if I thought we could include more than what was outlined. Still, a late 2nd for moving up 11 spots to the #1 isn't an awful price in this draft.
For comparison's sake, I suspect such a move in the real NFL draft would have cost San Diego both of its firsts and its 3rd.Colin
:goodposting: I don't care how balanced the draft is in people's minds there is no way that a team moves that far down with so little compensation.
I hear ya. I think Colin's view of it is a stretch, LOL, but maybe not. I just don't think there's anyway San Diego gives both first round picks in this draft, much less their 3rd. History may suggest it, but you can't discount the fact there's not the usual super-stud at the top this year (at least in most people's minds).I chose to go ahead & do the deal because it was enough to justify it in my mind. You have to realize people aren't going to give their whole freaking draft away in a mock. They want to make some picks & I don't blame them.

I guess that's the thing. It really depends on how you look at it. If I thought this was for absolute realism, I wouldn't have done it. I took it as a mixture of realism & what you want to get accomplised. If my view is a lot different than the other GMs, I apologize. Maybe I'm in the vast minority.
They were in love with Manning. He is clearly a way better prospect than anybody this year. There is no comparison. You can't think of it as trading for the pick. It is trading for the player you can take with that pick. By the way. The giants gave up way too much.
We won't really know if the Giants paid too much in that trade for years, but history suggests that it costs a HECKUVA lot more than what the Niners got in his mock to move into the top spot.ATL acquires 1st overall pick from SD (2001)

ATL receives 1st overall pick (i.e., Mike Vick)

SD receives 5th overall pick (i.e., LaDainian Tomlinson)
SD receives Tim Dwight, WR/KR
SD receives 3rd rounder 2001
SD receives 2nd rounder 2002So in exchange for the right TO MOVE UP FOUR SLOTS, the Falcons gave up 2nd, 3rd and player

And let's look at the trade the Broncos initiated to select John Elway

DEN receives rights to John Elway (1st overall pick-1983)
IND receives OL Chris Hinton (4th overall pick-1983)
IND receives 1st rounder 1984
IND receives QB Mark HerrmannAgain, to move up THREE ENTIRE SPOTS, the Broncos also gave up their 1st rounder the following year and a young QB
You're talking about Michael Vick & John Elway. Two of the most highly-rated players in history. This year, you're talking about Aaron Rodgers or Alex Smith, LOL. That said, believe me, I understand I accepted less than market value. I explained why I did it a few posts ago, but like I said, it's a matter of how you want to pursue this mock. Instead of going for absolute realism (in which case a trade wouldn't of happened), I chose to view this mock as a mixture of realism as well as getting done what I wanted to accomplish (moving down).

I also was unaware we could use '06 picks. I'll ask more questions next time...& also find out exactly how we should attack the mock (realism issue). :)

 
Well, good info here, but remember there is no John Elway, Mike Vick or Eli Manning in this years draft. I don't see anyone giving up a ton to get Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards. Believe me rip offs happen in the NFL all the time, what did SF get for Owens last year? Everyone remembers the Herschel Walker rip off, plus Ricky Williams for an entire draft? SF needs alot of players, they turned one pick into two. Sure they could have done a better job but really who does SF take if they stay pat, Alex Smith, Rodgers? BLAH!

 
i think what SF did was fine, a perfect simulation of what might happen: SF takes the best of many weak deals to move up to the #1. No one is that jazzed to move up because there is no consensus #1 player, i dont even think there's anything close to a consensus top 5 or 10 - for that reason SF will want to move down, and no team will up that much to move up. Using past year's trades for the #1 pick is not really relevant to evaluating a trade for this year's #1 because the #1 player this year might not even rate #7 or #8 in last year's class.

 
If anyone would like to discuss potential trades with the Texans, you can contact Pgreenfan on AOL Instant Messenger.

 
With the 2nd pick in the 2005 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas...

Cleveland is now in the clock...

First thing I wanted to do was move down. While this draft may not have 1 or 2 solid blue chippers, I actually believe it is pretty loaded with talent at the top (10-15 guys who might warrant a pick in the 5-10 range in other years' drafts). And I believe Nick Saban is completely rebuilding this team in his own (or in Bill Bellichick's) image. I think we are in a rebuilding mode, so 2-3 picks would have been better for us than one.

However, not much interest from other teams to move into this spot. Going ahead with the pick, I looked at a few different angles...

Quarterback. Rodgers was very tempting, especially since he actually measured 6'2" at the combine. I really think he will develop into a solid NFL starter with potential to be a star. Alex Smith I think will only be solid (like a Drew Bledsoe). I have 2 problems with going in this direction. One, we just spent a 2nd round pick on AJ Feeley last year and didn't get a chance to see what he really has to offer us. For one thing, Wanny didn't even let him start until about 1/2 way through the season. For another, the offensive line play was so horrible, ANY QB would have looked bad back there. The second problem I have with going QB here is that I think Saban doesn't have to. He has the luxury of seeing what Feeley can do this year, and if he doesn't work out, trying to acquire a QB next year. Saban will be given plenty of time to work his magic here in Miami. The fans here ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE GUY. It's kind of scary actually. They almost worship him. He has the time to wait until next year to draft a QB and then give him 2-3 more years to develop. Plus if we pick up a 2nd in a trade for Surtain, Adrian McPherson might be available ;)

Running Back. This is where I would have gone most likely if we were able to move down (assuming DJ was gone -- which I believe he would have been). 3 top backs in this year's draft all rated very closely. Couple of things made me shy away from this pick. One (same situation with the QBs), we already spent a 3rd round pick to get Lamar Gordon and he was never really given a chance last year. He was injured after a short time and the play of our offensive line last year was attrocious. We do have reason to believe our OL play will be vastly improved this year. His name is Hudson Houck -- probably one of the best if not THE best OL coaches in the league. I think between Gordon and Sammy Morris, behind an improved offensive line, we may be okay at RB this year. Also there is the fact that this year's RB class is not only impressive because of the talent at the top, it is most impressive because of its depth. If we want we should be able to pick up a quality RB in the 2nd (if we get one in a trade) or 3rd or even 4th round.

Defense. All of our free agency moves thus far have led me to believe we will be running more of a 3-4 defense this year than not. We restructured David Bowens (DE), signed Vonnie Holiday (DE), are in the process of signing Kevin Carter (DE) and already have Jason Taylor under contract. Why so many defensive ends? Me thinks it is because Saban has plans of having Taylor play a lot of OLB in a 3-4 set (a position I think he would be even better at than a DE in the 4-3 :eek: ). Who scarier to play OLB opposite Taylor than Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas?

Some people will cry about this pick and claim that DJ isn't rated high enough to warrant this pick. I'm not buying it. DJ ran an impressive 4.5 time at the combine and I think he put on 10-15 pounds too! And there is no doubt with some good coaching (ie Saban) Johnson will develop into one of the best OLBs EVER. Right up there with LT. I think Jason Taylor will excel so much at the position under Saban, that we could have an absolutely amazing set of OLBs!!! Every scouting web site I've looked at (scout.com, NFL Draft Countdown, Draft Blitz, etc) has DJ rated in the top 5 overall. Not necessarily the BPA at #2, but without being able to trade down, I think he's a good fit here for my team...

 
Some people will cry about this pick and claim that DJ isn't rated high enough to warrant this pick. I'm not buying it. DJ ran an impressive 4.5 time at the combine and I think he put on 10-15 pounds too! And there is no doubt with some good coaching (ie Saban) Johnson will develop into one of the best OLBs EVER. Right up there with LT. I think Jason Taylor will excel so much at the position under Saban, that we could have an absolutely amazing set of OLBs!!! Every scouting web site I've looked at (scout.com, NFL Draft Countdown, Draft Blitz, etc) has DJ rated in the top 5 overall. Not necessarily the BPA at #2, but without being able to trade down, I think he's a good fit here for my team...
I love DJ and wouldnt be shocked to see him go that high, and I think he would be worth it. Having said that, I wouldnt be mentioning anybody in the same vein as LT
 
OK, we're officially in the "have fun regardless of the lack of reality" mode now. Which is cool. :thumbup:In the spirit of this, the Eagles would very much like to move up to the top 5 so that we may select either Ced Benson or Ronnie Brown. Please hit me with your offers. :D

 
Some people will cry about this pick and claim that DJ isn't rated high enough to warrant this pick. I'm not buying it. DJ ran an impressive 4.5 time at the combine and I think he put on 10-15 pounds too! And there is no doubt with some good coaching (ie Saban) Johnson will develop into one of the best OLBs EVER. Right up there with LT. I think Jason Taylor will excel so much at the position under Saban, that we could have an absolutely amazing set of OLBs!!!  Every scouting web site I've looked at (scout.com, NFL Draft Countdown, Draft Blitz, etc) has DJ rated in the top 5 overall. Not necessarily the BPA at #2, but without being able to trade down, I think he's a good fit here for my team...
I love DJ and wouldnt be shocked to see him go that high, and I think he would be worth it. Having said that, I wouldnt be mentioning anybody in the same vein as LT
Good call... Sorry about that. I would not want to jinx the guy before he even gets drafted by us LOL....
 
OK, we're officially in the "have fun regardless of the lack of reality" mode now. Which is cool. :thumbup:

In the spirit of this, the Eagles would very  much like to move up to the top 5 so that we may select either Ced Benson or Ronnie Brown. Please hit me with your offers.

:D
IF we do happen to draft DJ, you are going to have some major crow to eat with all of your comments...At least I don't act like it's a joke when people say we are going to draft a RB with our pick even if I disagree... I don't know if you have inside scouting info or not, but all of the freely available info I look at on the web don't have a lot of difference on the boards from Ronnie Brown and Cedric Benson and Derrick Johnson. It's not like everybody has Brown and Benson rated #1 and #2 and Derrick Johnson rated #15. It's more like Benson #1 or #2; Ronnie Brown #4 or #5 and DJ #5 or #6... That's pretty close if you ask me....

 
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I am a dolphin fan and this is who I am hoping they pick... I hope they can drop down a few spots to do it though.

 
OK, we're officially in the "have fun regardless of the lack of reality" mode now. Which is cool. :thumbup:

In the spirit of this, the Eagles would very  much like to move up to the top 5 so that we may select either Ced Benson or Ronnie Brown. Please hit me with your offers.

:D
IF we do happen to draft DJ, you are going to have some major crow to eat with all of your comments...
IF you do draft DJ, it won't be at the 2 spot.
 
DJ's value seems to be anywhere from top 5 to out of the 10 ten. depends on who you talk too. It's a fine pick, not really a need pick, I think Saban knows those two Auburn backs as well as anyone, I would really be shocked to see the dolphins not take one of them , with that spot being such a glaring need.

 
OK, we're officially in the "have fun regardless of the lack of reality" mode now. Which is cool. :thumbup:

In the spirit of this, the Eagles would very  much like to move up to the top 5 so that we may select either Ced Benson or Ronnie Brown. Please hit me with your offers.

:D
IF we do happen to draft DJ, you are going to have some major crow to eat with all of your comments...
IF you do draft DJ, it won't be at the 2 spot.
If we can't trade down, you might be surprised...Again, there is a good chance you will be right and we will draft Cedric Benson. But I think there is A LOT better chance than you realize that we will draft Derrick Johnson...

Anyways, time will tell.... Back to the mock.... Where's Cleveland?

 
DJ's value seems to be anywhere from top 5 to out of the 10 ten. depends on who you talk too. It's a fine pick, not really a need pick, I think Saban knows those two Auburn backs as well as anyone, I would really be shocked to see the dolphins not take one of them , with that spot being such a glaring need.
I think it's been proven that with good coaching, having a top running back isn't of ultimate importance. The Pats managed two Super Bowls without one, the Eagles had to improvise with a guy that couldn't handle the rock 25 times this year, the Panthers got production out of their 4th stringer, the Chiefs had 3 backs crack 150, etc. If Saban feels he can shore up the passing game and bring in some better O-linemen, I don't see why he'd have to take a running back at #2.
 
Hey, if the Rams are still available, I'd be willing to draft for them.
I gave you St. Louis.. GL***********************************************************

Denver and NY Giants are the only 2 remaining teams for anyone knowledgeable and interested who does not already have a team....

 
The PATS are looking to move up.

Offering the #32 and #64 for a 1st and 3rd.
Wonder to take who???Troy Williamson perhaps?

Also wondering who Cleveland had in mind if they don't move down?

I'm going to guess one of 2 different directions: QB or WR... If it's WR, I'm betting there are going to be some pretty pissed off Chicago, Minnesota and Tampa Bay fans that their team's didn't move up to get Edwards. I'm guessing it would be pretty cheap to move up those 1 or 2 spots... On the other hand, the Browns could use a stud like that in their WR core to spark up the offense a bit.... :popcorn:

Just thinking out loud here..

GB changing from a 4-hour time limit to a 3-hour time limit...

 
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Also wondering who Cleveland had in mind if they don't move down?

I'm going to guess one of 2 different directions: QB or WR...
I gotta think it's QB. Dilfer is not a long term solution. Let him mentor a kid for a year.
 
Also wondering who Cleveland had in mind if they don't move down?

I'm going to guess one of 2 different directions: QB or WR...
I gotta think it's QB. Dilfer is not a long term solution. Let him mentor a kid for a year.
:yes: Or one of the big backs
 
I think that during business hours we should look at a 2 hour limit, just a suggestion. With the rate we are going right now we are only going to be doing 4-5 picks a day.

 
Also wondering who Cleveland had in mind if they don't move down?

I'm going to guess one of 2 different directions: QB or WR...
I gotta think it's QB. Dilfer is not a long term solution. Let him mentor a kid for a year.
:yes: Or one of the big backs
With Lee Suggs already on board and all the holes this team has to fill, I doubt it...Granted Suggs may not be the answer, but I'd be surprised if the pick is not Edwards or a QB...

I think Cleveland is a little disappointed with who I picked ;)

 
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